Tom Brady calls his cut thumb “a silly accident”

AP

Patriots quarterback Tom Brady is back at practice today for the first time since cutting the thumb on his throwing hand before last week’s preseason game.

“It’s good to be back with the team,” Brady said. “I feel good. I was ready to go, had everything on and was just trying to get something out of my shoe, and the scissors slipped, and it was just a silly accident.”

Brady believes he could have played with the cut, but Bill Belichick told him not to risk aggravating it.

“I wanted to go and Coach said it’s probably best, for what I was going to do, to just take it easy,” Brady said. “So that’s what I ended up doing. I wish I could have played. I’ve been missing playing. I want to get out there with my teammates and I feel like that’s what my job is, my responsibility, to be out there with my team. It was tough not to be out there.”

Brady will have to get used to not being out there while he sits out the first four games of the season.

166 responses to “Tom Brady calls his cut thumb “a silly accident”

  1. We know Champ!!!
    But lets be a little more cautious next time!

    We Proud Patriots are counting on you, The Greatest QB Of All Time to bring home #5.

    Now ima sit back and watch this thread blowup with hatred!!

  2. Why aren’t members of the media drilling him with deflategate questions?
    He has hidden behind his agent, team owner, NFLPA, and personal attorney for two years after turning the NFL into a circus for two years. He needs to man up and the media needs to do their jobs. After the drama he caused he needs to be held accountable and needs to speak on the matter.

  3. It’s ok CHAMP. 🙂

    Take care of that thumb Tom. You’ll be putting a ring on it very soon!

    #NowCueTheTearsFromPatriotHater
    #SoDelicious
    #AndGoodForYouToo
    #TeeHee

  4. terripet says:

    Brady and Bill are at odds this will be the five yard passer last year with the cheaters
    ———————-

    Huh? Manning already retired from the Broncos, bozo.

  5. terripet says:
    Aug 23, 2016 12:33 PM
    Brady and Bill are at odds this will be the five yard passer last year with the cheaters

    Must suck to know that the “five yard passer” OWNS your colts.

  6. ReligionIsForIdiots says:
    Aug 23, 2016 12:33 PM

    Sort of like his career.–
    ———————————————————-
    Even for you this one makes completely no sense.

  7. trailerparkking says:

    Why aren’t members of the media drilling him with deflategate questions?
    ——————

    It’s over, bozo. Build a bridge and get over it already.

    Besides, if you want to know the truth about psigate, you’ll have to try and get it out of Goodell, Wells, Pash, or Kensil,

    Good luck with that.

  8. Sort of like his career.
    __________________________________________

    I’m not seeing it. What is silly about a 6th round draft pick working harder than most to elevate himself to the best QB of all-time and bring 4 SB championships to the already championship-rich Boston area? Best and most accomplished QB of all-time, bar none. Only thing that is silly is how he is still dominating at the tender age of 39.

  9. Now Pete Carroll calling for a slant pass on the 1 yard line… that was a silly accident.

    🙂

  10. Yes he cheated, all of us rational Patriots fans agree. But who cares? All that matters is the trophies. Tom Brady is the reason I swapped from being a diehard lifelong Cowboys fan to being a Patriots fan for life now!!!!

  11. Someone inform the trailer park guy that Brady is the ONLY one to testify under oath. It was the league and the serial liar Goodell that made things up and ran with it. You want the truth let’s hear from Harbaugh, Kensil, Vincent, Grigson and Walt Anderson. Those are the ones who have said nothing and know the true story.

  12. All PFT hast to do is put “Tom Brady” or “Patriots” in a thread title and #TheHaters flock to the thread like moths to a flame…. I guess even though the season has not yet started at least 2/3 of them realize their teams have no chance of winning the SB…..again. Sad really.

  13. The Boston media is a bunch of cowards. Too gutless to hold cheating accountable, these losers even glorify it.

  14. Do you think Tom Brady himself reads PFT and giggles at all the Patriot Hater drool like I do? 🙂

    I bet he does. Seriously now…can you blame him?

    🙂

  15. Tom E Curran, Mike Reiss, and everyone working on Boston sports radio are spineless! They glorify cheating and are too cowardly to ask Tammy about his pathetic antics.

  16. “It was just a silly incident. You know, like that time I had the Deflator stick needles into footballs before a game. Oh wait, that was every game since 2007…”

  17. trailerparkking says:
    Aug 23, 2016 12:39 PM

    Brady is being a coward and so are the Boston media. Time to man up, Tammy!


    Tom will be happy to speak on anything you’d like after he beats your Steelers by 50 in exactly two months from today. 🙂

    Can you blame him? If I was Tom and I did that to the old and soft Steelers I would be in a great mood too!

    🙂

    #StealersStillHaveZeroLegitTitles

  18. LyinRogerMustGo says:
    Aug 23, 2016 12:52 PM
    Do you think Tom Brady himself reads PFT and giggles at all the Patriot Hater drool like I do?:)

    I bet he does. Seriously now…can you blame him?

    ——————

    Yes! And if you look at the majority of #TheHaters’ posts, they come from fans of teams who are either perennial bottom feeders (Bills, Dolphins, Vikings) or teams Brady has embarrassed (Seattle, Pittsburgh). You don’t see many Packers or KC fans besmirching Brady….

  19. It was silly. One of Tom’s many servants should have done it, but was probably too busy straightening the doilies in the east wing.

  20. It was the “cutman” that did it. During questioning, he said he got his name cutting weight.

  21. One for the thumb has already been done…son. Just for fun…sit back and watch Pitt win another one…..I’m done….Pitt will have 7 won!

  22. Tom Thumb has well over a month to heal and doesn’t need many snaps to get back into the groove. This is meaningless, unless you just need any sort of headline to troll the Patriots fans.
    I’m not a Patriots fan but, I am tired of all the stale comments both for and against their QB.

  23. troy43mvp says:
    Aug 23, 2016 1:06 PM

    One for the thumb has already been done…son. Just for fun…sit back and watch Pitt win another one…..I’m done….Pitt will have 7 won!

    But sadly… in the end…wishful thinking just doesn’t make it so.

    🙂

  24. The funny part is that the only court to reach the merits found there was no proof of cheating. The NFL lawyers even admitted this in court. All the appeals court said was that didn’t matter, and Goodell can still do whatever he wants under the terms of the CBA. That illiterates still refuse to understand this is why the inevitable, brutal strike that will accompany the next CBA negotiation will stun them.

  25. I’m a Patriots fan but I can’t call Brady the GOAT until he shows he can have success outside the Patriots system. I mean a high school QB can have success in this system. Matt Cassel is not a good QB because he went 11-5 with the Patriots. The system made him look good.

  26. Tom Brady is a baby. He can’t throw a pass over 4 yards. He has ZERO legit rings. His career “Accomplishments” have cheating surrounding them all. He does bad commercials. He cries to the refs on every incomplete pass, some completed passes too I bet. He is a big wimp who can’t take a hit. His own teammates don’t even like him. Giselle is average at best, not sure what people see in her. He isn’t even that good looking either.

    Did I miss anything?

  27. JPP blows his finger off with fireworks… “Happens.”
    Dion Jordan blows himself up siphoning gas with a vacuum cleaner… “Could’ve happen to anyone.”
    Javon Walker slips on a McDonalds bag and misses almost an entire season… “Hey, who hasn’t?”

    Tom Brady knicks his thumb and misses a meaningless preseason game… “Why won’t the league ask Brady the tough questions?! Roger, do something!!!!”

  28. troy43mvp says:
    Aug 23, 2016 1:06 PM
    One for the thumb has already been done…son. Just for fun…sit back and watch Pitt win another one…..I’m done….Pitt will have 7 won!
    ======================================
    No quarterback has won five Super Bowls. If Brady gets his fifth this year, these silly debates will end. For what it’s worth, Brady has absolutely owned the Steelers the past 15 years.

  29. Chuck, Brady lied under oath and prevented JJ and JM from testifying under oath. Round NFL. Wells Report (NFL) vs Wells In Context (Pats Legal Respone) Not even close, NFL kicked the Pats ass on this one. Funny, Pats can’t win fair and square but against the NFL, they got caught and beat, fair and square. If Pats fans say the NFL cheated to win over the Pats, you need to follow your own advice, it doesn’t matter in long run. You keep your Superbowls, NFL keeps your draft picks, money and are forever labeled cheaters. Your coach and qb will never be first ballot in HOF. They don’t deserve first ballot, I don’t think they deserve the Hall at all but Kraft has got the money to buy the votes.

  30. trailerparkking says:
    Aug 23, 2016 12:51 PM
    The Boston media is a bunch of cowards. Too gutless to hold cheating accountable, these losers even glorify it
    ———————
    That’s so far from the truth it’s ridiculous. Boston sports media is well known for being brutal.

  31. Why didn’t Brady run a clipboard or don some headphones on the sideline for that game after cutting his thumb?
    Odd he went home instead of letting the home crowd see him and having him help get JimmyG going…..?

  32. I’m a Patriots fan but I can’t call Brady the GOAT until he shows he can have success outside the Patriots system. I mean a high school QB can have success in this system. Matt Cassel is not a good QB because he went 11-5 with the Patriots. The system made him look good.


    The funny thing about this argument – most often brought up by Patriot Hater since they know nothing about football – is that there is no such thing as “the Patriots system”. In fact Tom Brady has played and thrived in many different offenses, which has been a paragon of football evolution over the years. The Patriots have played a power running offense, a west coast offense, a vertical offense with Moss, a 2 TE set, a 3 TE set, a hybrid, and so on. Lots of systems. 🙂

    I have no doubt that if you put Brady into any sort of offense he would do great. Well perhaps not the read option but you get the picture don’t ya. 🙂

    Now if you are saying take Brady away from Belichick and see what happens… it’s a silly meaningless argument because it will never happen. 🙂

  33. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    Aug 23, 2016 1:14 PM

    I’m a Patriots fan but I can’t call Brady the GOAT until he shows he can have success outside the Patriots system.
    ————————

    Lol. Come on, man. Everyone already knows you are a Jets fan. As such, you don’t have any frame of reference for evaluating a great quarterback.

  34. trailerparkking says:
    Aug 23, 2016 12:51 PM
    The Boston media is a bunch of cowards. Too gutless to hold cheating accountable,

    Nope, read Dan S. in the Globe, he was in hiding from Asterisk* fans for most of 2015.

  35. I have no doubt that if you put Brady into any sort of offense he would do great. Well perhaps not the read option but you get the picture don’t ya.:)


    Now that I think about it… I bet he would do great in that too. Why? Because nobody works harder or smarter than Tom Brady.

    If he is asked to become a read option specialist he would thrive in that offense too.

    Carry on.

    🙂

  36. His career took off with the Tuck Rule B.S. which was a conspiracy with the NFL for them to win, then won a few more Super Bowls during the SpyGate scandal of stealing teams’ plays, and now in the final few years he’s been accused of tampering with footballs.

    Obviously this clown has been part of a dirty organization his ENTIRE career and yet their idiot fans deny it.

    The NFL has looked the other way the entire time, until recently, and now the same idiot fans are saying their team is the “victim” here.

  37. Tom, Tom, Tom…. Deflating your thumb will NOT make the football easier to grip.

  38. flybono24 says:
    Aug 23, 2016 1:55 PM

    His career took off with the Tuck Rule B.S. which was a conspiracy with the NFL for them to win, then won a few more Super Bowls during the SpyGate scandal of stealing teams’ plays, and now in the final few years he’s been accused of tampering with footballs.

    Obviously this clown has been part of a dirty organization his ENTIRE career and yet their idiot fans deny it.

    The NFL has looked the other way the entire time, until recently, and now the same idiot fans are saying their team is the “victim” here
    ————————–
    Let me help you with a correct timeline for reference.

    The Tuck Rule was created in 1999. It was called various times throughout the years but obviously most prominently seen in 2001 Pats vs Raiders playoff game. Although we can all agree it was a stupid rule, it was in fact a rule and applied correctly. No different than applying other rules.

    2001, 2003, 2004 Super bowl champs.

    “spygate” was in 2007 no? Please explain how 2001, 2003 and 2004 are tainted? Hell, throw out 2001 if you want (you really can’t) but what about 2003 and 2004?

    And what happened AFTER spygate, when the ‘cheating’ gig was up? The Pat’s went 18-1 losing the SB on the heels of the infamous Tyree helmet catch. Perhaps you’re inferring if not caught for spygate Tyree drops that ball? In fact, what happened in 2005, 2006, how come they didn’t win it all then too?

    As for their recent SB win, assuming you read the Wells report, court cases, etc..(slim to none I’m guessing) you would see Brady was the only sworn testimony, The NFL had NOTHING on him, that’s why it stopped being about psi a looong time ago. Even so, to continue with your irrational argument, Brady and the Pats went on to beat the Ravens and the Seahawks (a fantastic defense) and setting 4th quarter passing records in the process under the most highly scrutinized footballs in SB history.

    Thoughts on all this? Please enlightening me on facts I’m missing that state the contrary.

    Holding breath in 3…2….1…..

  39. When Darren McFadden hurt himself, no one believed his story. Why is it that the great Tom Brady should get a pass? Who cuts things out of their shoes?!

  40. BigAlHeBDMan says:
    Aug 23, 2016 1:59 PM

    Better be careful Tommy Boy, or YOU may get cut for real.

    —————-

    What you are saying is… Better be careful successful athlete worth 30 million with supermodel wife worth 350 million. You might get cut after winning 4 Super Bowls and 3 MVPs and 6 appearances and 10 AFC championships.

    Sounds kind of silly that he would get cut and even sillier that he would ever be worried about it.

  41. trailerparkking says:
    Aug 23, 2016 12:53 PM

    Tom E Curran, Mike Reiss, and everyone working on Boston sports radio are spineless! They glorify cheating and are too cowardly to ask Tammy about his pathetic antics.

    —————

    No, they are logical. First take the position that the Patriots have been incredibly managed with one of the best QBs of all time for the last 15 years (whether you believe it or not), then think about the real impact of slightly deflated footballs in comparison to thawing balls on the sideline, pumping in crowd noise, steroids or any other thing that has happened in the last year or so. Then think about what happens when you play football with your friends and the ball is deflated. You just squeeze it and put air in it right?

    If you come from that position you will realize that it wouldn’t be worth it for Brady do create some kind of organized deflating scheme. It doesn’t make any logical sense and even in the remote chance he was directly requesting deflation of footballs after inspection he still was punished waaaaay too much for something so insignificant.

    That’s logic. Let go of your hate before you pass judgement.

  42. If he wasn’t an admitted cheater, he wouldn’t had accepted the four game suspension. But who cares about facts, right?

    #GCOAT
    #TAINTEDTROPHIES
    #*

  43. harissonhits2 says:
    Aug 23, 2016 12:45 PM

    Yes he cheated, all of us rational Patriots fans agree. But who cares? All that matters is the trophies. Tom Brady is the reason I swapped from being a diehard lifelong Cowboys fan to being a Patriots fan for life now!!!!

    ——————–

    The league spent millions of dollars trying to prove Brady did something wrong and in the end all they could do is say that the NFL can punish players for what ever they want as harshly as they want. They didn’t prove anything. Brady didn’t cheat. He got caught up in the middle of a vendetta between the other 31 owners and the Patriots who keep beating them every year.

  44. It doesn’t matter how many haters Tom Brady and the Patriots have, as long as their three biggest supporters, the Dolphins, Bills and Jets, continue their nearly two decades of ineptitude.

  45. This is like the Pro Bowl of haters(all 5). Block off the cubicle and reel them in. It’s the bosses’ dime.

  46. “trailerparkking says:
    Aug 23, 2016 12:33 PM
    Why aren’t members of the media drilling him with deflategate questions?
    He has hidden behind his agent, team owner, NFLPA, and personal attorney for two years after turning the NFL into a circus for two years. He needs to man up and the media needs to do their jobs. After the drama he caused he needs to be held accountable and needs to speak on the matter.”


    He’s spoken at length about “the matter”

  47. trailerparkking says:
    Aug 23, 2016 12:33 PM

    Why aren’t members of the media drilling him with deflategate questions?
    He has hidden behind his agent, team owner, NFLPA, and personal attorney for two years after turning the NFL into a circus for two years. He needs to man up and the media needs to do their jobs. After the drama he caused he needs to be held accountable and needs to speak on the matter.

    ……..

    Brady made plenty of statements about it over the last two years. He didn’t answer any questions because of the ongoing litigation the NFL brought upon him, (people forget the NFL filed the suit). And he didn’t cause anything. Goodell used bad science and compromised the “independence” of Wells, lied in open court and in the media all to show the other owners he was a tough guy. Which, his track record shows, he maybe be tough but he neither consistent or logical.

  48. flybono24 says:
    Aug 23, 2016 1:55 PM

    His career took off with the Tuck Rule B.S. which was a conspiracy with the NFL for them to win, then won a few more Super Bowls during the SpyGate scandal of stealing teams’ plays, and now in the final few years he’s been accused of tampering with footballs.

    Obviously this clown has been part of a dirty organization his ENTIRE career and yet their idiot fans deny it.

    The NFL has looked the other way the entire time, until recently, and now the same idiot fans are saying their team is the “victim” here.
    …..

    Nothing in this post is true. Tuck Rule was called AGAINST the Patriots earlier that same year and was 100% correctly called. It’s a bad rule that they got rid of, but the refs called it right. Spygate was a rule violation over camera location where exactly ZERO competitive advantage was gained, per Goodell himself. Deflategate was debunked by high school science.

  49. “flybono24 says:
    Aug 23, 2016 1:55 PM
    His career took off with the Tuck Rule B.S.”

    You know what, you are right, but not in the way you think. In the same game that Brady took over for Drew Bledsoe in Sept 2001, Vinny T was the QB for the JETS and committed what looked to everyone like a fumble. But the refs overruled the call based on a (then) obscure rule (yes, rule) that was called the “Tuck Rule.” The Jets held on to the ball when the call was overturned and on the next series Bledsoe was nearly killed by a sideline hit. Brady took over that game and has been the greatest player in NFL history ever since.

    So yes. His career took off immediately after the Tuck Rule became known.

  50. keys2heat says:
    Aug 23, 2016 2:41 PM

    If he wasn’t an admitted cheater, he wouldn’t had accepted the four game suspension. But who cares about facts, right?

    #GCOAT
    #TAINTEDTROPHIES
    #*
    …………..

    Better to sit first four games than to sit games at the end of the year or even a playoff game. Supreme Court is a long shot, Brady played it same for good of team. And the NFLPA are still deciding whether to keep it going. Brady was just showing, yet again, that he is the ultimate team player. And sorry, the science destroyed the NFL’s case, the court ruling was on the CBA.

  51. swhy19 says:
    Aug 23, 2016 3:10 PM

    Any truth that he cut himself deflating footballs again?
    ———————————–

    When else has he cut himself?

  52. “His career took off with the Tuck Rule B.S. which was a conspiracy with the NFL for them to win”

    Um no. The Tuck rule was put into place 2 years prior and 2001 was the third year it was in effect. It was not made up during the game as people like you like to claim.

    In fact statistics show every team typically had the tuck rule called once per season in favor of another other team in the 1999, 2000 and 2001 seasons.

    In fact earlier that season the Jets had the tuck rule called in their favor after a fumble and went on to win that game against the Pats in part because of that.

    Don’t let actual facts get in the way of your conspiracy fantasy though if it lets you sleep better at night.

  53. For 23 straight years it has been Bledsoe and Brady, with a year of Cassel thrown in when Brady was hurt.

    If the Patriots sign Garoppolo, and if he is smart he’ll sign, and keep Brady for two more years, the Patriots will continue to dominate the AFC East and be in the mix to be AFC champs thru 2025. That fact has to have both Goodell and Woody in a tizzy.


  54. The funny thing about this argument – most often brought up by Patriot Hater since they know nothing about football – is that there is no such thing as “the Patriots system”. In fact Tom Brady has played and thrived in many different offenses, which has been a paragon of football evolution over the years. The Patriots have played a power running offense, a west coast offense, a vertical offense with Moss, a 2 TE set, a 3 TE set, a hybrid, and so on. Lots of systems.:)

    I have no doubt that if you put Brady into any sort of offense he would do great. Well perhaps not the read option but you get the picture don’t ya.:)

    Now if you are saying take Brady away from Belichick and see what happens… it’s a silly meaningless argument because it will never happen.:)

    —————–

    You need to learn the difference between a formation and a system instead of making a fool of yourself. A 3 or 2 TE set is a formation not a system. Brady was in a different system in Michigan and he was average. Of course players do learn and grow but we simply don’t know how far for Brady. Matt Cassel looked good with the Patriots and looked horrid after he left the Patriots. Let’s see Brady have success outside the Patriots then we can call him great. Montana did it, Manning did it, can Brady do it?

  55. trailerparkking says:
    Aug 23, 2016 12:33 PM
    Why aren’t members of the media drilling him with deflategate questions?
    He has hidden behind his agent, team owner, NFLPA, and personal attorney for two years after turning the NFL into a circus for two years. He needs to man up and the media needs to do their jobs. After the drama he caused he needs to be held accountable and needs to speak on the matter.
    ——————————-
    OK, trailerparkking, since Brady was subjected to cross-examination under oath by the NFL’s highly paid lawyers, why don’t you tell us in your brilliance exactly what questions were not asked that should have been asked? Go ahead, tell us what questions you believe should have been asked that the NFL lawyers somehow forgot to ask or were too incompetent to ask? And don’t just go hurling insults, OK? Tell us what you think the questions should have been.

  56. The whole league is 10 yards and under. That’s what it is,” Gase said, via the Miami Herald. “Nobody is going down the field. There’s one team that does it really, maybe two. Pittsburgh and Arizona.

    There are people that don’t know what they’re talking about. I agree

  57. “patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    Aug 23, 2016 3:43 PM

    The funny thing about this argument – most often brought up by Patriot Hater since they know nothing about football – is that there is no such thing as “the Patriots system”. In fact Tom Brady has played and thrived in many different offenses, which has been a paragon of football evolution over the years. The Patriots have played a power running offense, a west coast offense, a vertical offense with Moss, a 2 TE set, a 3 TE set, a hybrid, and so on. Lots of systems.:)

    I have no doubt that if you put Brady into any sort of offense he would do great. Well perhaps not the read option but you get the picture don’t ya.:)

    Now if you are saying take Brady away from Belichick and see what happens… it’s a silly meaningless argument because it will never happen.:)

    —————–

    You need to learn the difference between a formation and a system instead of making a fool of yourself. A 3 or 2 TE set is a formation not a system. Brady was in a different system in Michigan and he was average. Of course players do learn and grow but we simply don’t know how far for Brady. Matt Cassel looked good with the Patriots and looked horrid after he left the Patriots….”

    —-
    Um, Cassel was a pro-bowler with a Passer rating of 93.0 with the Chiefs. His best year in NE he had an 89.4 rating. AND he was QBing a great team that had won 18 games with the same cast the year before.

  58. It was a silly accident “I was trying to let some of the air out of the ball and the scissors slipped”

  59. Spygate was more than stealing coaches’ signals. It started in 2000. It has never been documented what exactly was destroyed other than video tapes of 2006 & 2007. Detailed notes and files going back to 2002. This was all taken from Gillette. But Bill and Ernie’s homes were never searched. They just signed a paper that is all there was. In that Jets game, the Pats were found to have an extra frequency on the headset. Pats gave an answer, NFL didn’t like it but decided to put all the focus on the tape. Brady has benefitted tremendously from yeas of cheating. He was being given live instructions throughout the whole play. Sure he is great, as long as he knows whats coming and where the field is open.

  60. quizlingclinic says:
    Aug 23, 2016 4:00 PM

    “patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    Aug 23, 2016 3:43 PM

    The funny thing about this argument – most often brought up by Patriot Hater since they know nothing about football – is that there is no such thing as “the Patriots system”. In fact Tom Brady has played and thrived in many different offenses, which has been a paragon of football evolution over the years. The Patriots have played a power running offense, a west coast offense, a vertical offense with Moss, a 2 TE set, a 3 TE set, a hybrid, and so on. Lots of systems.:)

    I have no doubt that if you put Brady into any sort of offense he would do great. Well perhaps not the read option but you get the picture don’t ya.:)

    Now if you are saying take Brady away from Belichick and see what happens… it’s a silly meaningless argument because it will never happen.:)

    —————–

    You need to learn the difference between a formation and a system instead of making a fool of yourself. A 3 or 2 TE set is a formation not a system. Brady was in a different system in Michigan and he was average. Of course players do learn and grow but we simply don’t know how far for Brady. Matt Cassel looked good with the Patriots and looked horrid after he left the Patriots….”

    —-
    Um, Cassel was a pro-bowler with a Passer rating of 93.0 with the Chiefs. His best year in NE he had an 89.4 rating. AND he was QBing a great team that had won 18 games with the same cast the year before.
    ————
    I’ll add that Cassel was a 5 game drop off in wins for the Pats. Brady was 16-0 with basically the same team that Cassel went 11-5 with.

    Although Cassel had mild success with Chiefs early on, he isn’t even sniffing Brady’s skillset/football mind.

    Montana went 11-5 and 9-7 with the Chiefs, hardly proving your theory. In fact, Cassel went 10-6 with the Chiefs.

  61. limakey says:
    Aug 23, 2016 4:24 PM
    Spygate was more than stealing coaches’ signals. It started in 2000. It has never been documented what exactly was destroyed other than video tapes of 2006 & 2007. Detailed notes and files going back to 2002. This was all taken from Gillette. But Bill and Ernie’s homes were never searched. They just signed a paper that is all there was. In that Jets game, the Pats were found to have an extra frequency on the headset. Pats gave an answer, NFL didn’t like it but decided to put all the focus on the tape. Brady has benefitted tremendously from yeas of cheating. He was being given live instructions throughout the whole play. Sure he is great, as long as he knows whats coming and where the field is open.

    Yeah all wrong. AGAIN

  62. Um, Cassel was a pro-bowler with a Passer rating of 93.0 with the Chiefs. His best year in NE he had an 89.4 rating. AND he was QBing a great team that had won 18 games with the same cast the year before.
    —-
    Cassel did an admirable job filling in, he was fun to watch and the season was not a total disaster… but the Patriots still missed the playoffs and a very big reason for that was the fact they were 1-4 against the AFC playoff field and blown out 3 times. In other words they could not hang with good defenses anymore without the GOAT QB Tom Brady’s services.

    Heh.

    Go figure. 🙂

  63. limakey says:
    Aug 23, 2016 4:24 PM
    Spygate was more than stealing coaches’ signals. It started in 2000. It has never been documented what exactly was destroyed other than video tapes of 2006 & 2007. Detailed notes and files going back to 2002. This was all taken from Gillette. But Bill and Ernie’s homes were never searched. They just signed a paper that is all there was. In that Jets game, the Pats were found to have an extra frequency on the headset. Pats gave an answer, NFL didn’t like it but decided to put all the focus on the tape. Brady has benefitted tremendously from yeas of cheating. He was being given live instructions throughout the whole play. Sure he is great, as long as he knows whats coming and where the field is open.

    ===================

    Where’s your foil hat? Extra frequency? I’ve never, ever heard mention of this. As for spygate going back to 2000, who cares? What the Patriots were doing was not against any rule until July 2007 when the NFL sent their now-infamous memorandum. The rule did not appear in official form until the 2007 NFL Game Day Manual was published.

    Remember this – stealing signals is not illegal. It has been part of the gamesmanship of the NFL for as long as there have been signals. The Patriots were only guilty of filming from a non-compliant location (the sideline) vs. the NFL-mandated end zone location. If they had been merely filming from a different location, there would have never been a spygate for everyone to get worked up over.

  64. ou need to learn the difference between a formation and a system instead of making a fool of yourself. A 3 or 2 TE set is a formation not a system. Brady was in a different system in Michigan and he was average. Of course players do learn and grow but we simply don’t know how far for Brady. Matt Cassel looked good with the Patriots and looked horrid after he left the Patriots. Let’s see Brady have success outside the Patriots then we can call him great. Montana did it, Manning did it, can Brady do it?

    Bzzzt. Wrong again cupcake. 🙂

    It is an offensive system and Brady has played in many of them. The Patriots systems changed and evolved from 2001 to 2004 to 2006 to 2007 to 2009-12 to 2014-present and Brady was asked to do many uniquely different things in each of them.

    Saying that he has only played in one system is completely wrong but I expect nothing less from Patriot Hater, since none of them know anything about the sport.

    Try again. 🙂

  65. It’s a shame that the scissors didn’t do their job. There are good QB’s who aren’t on teams that cheat who deserve respect. Brady deserves nothing but contempt.

  66. Montana went 11-5 and 9-7 with the Chiefs, hardly proving your theory. In fact, Cassel went 10-6 with the Chiefs.

    What he also left out in his week argument is Paul Hacket was the Offense cord in KC. He was also Montanas QB coach in SF

    They ran the SAME offense in KC they did in SF
    The west coast “system”

    And Manning ALSO ran the same offense in Denver that he did in Indy

    He was suited to run Gary Kub offense it calls for to many bootlegs

  67. bjsdad says:
    Aug 23, 2016 4:39 PM

    He forgot he hid the air pump needle in his shoe.
    —————————-

    Wouldn’t it have made more sense if you would have said he remembered that he hid the air pump needle in his shoe, thus giving him a reason to be messing with his shoe?

  68. The Patriots were only guilty of filming from a non-compliant location (the sideline) vs. the NFL-mandated end zone location.
    —-
    Belichick believed the rule gave them the ok to do what they did, and based on what the rule actually said, he has a valid point.

    He made two mistakes – 1) not calling the league ahead of time to double check his interpretation and 2) Believing that #LyinRoger was a good commissioner

  69. draculalambert says:

    I wouldn’t mind seeing this investigated at least on a low level.
    ————————–

    Seeing what investigated?

  70. Um, Cassel was a pro-bowler with a Passer rating of 93.0 with the Chiefs. His best year in NE he had an 89.4 rating. AND he was QBing a great team that had won 18 games with the same cast the year before.

    ——————

    What is your point exactly? Are you suggesting Matt Cassel had a better NFL career post Patriots? Or are you suggesting that Matt Cassel is not a horrid QB? Here is a hint, he is only 34 years old in a QB starved league and he is battling for a spot to backup a second year QB.

  71. Tee hee 🙂 Patriot Hater is so ANGRY these days for some reason. 🙂 Based on what I’m reading here they have clearly come off the rails!

    I wonder why? 🙂

    Cheer up! You are lucky enough to see the GOAT QB give your puny little team the beating – if we are being completely honest – that it quite frankly deserves. Not all fans can say that they were around to see the GOAT slap their weakling team silly like Brady does! It really is an honor and a priviledge for Patriot Hater to witness it first hand in this generation!

    🙂

  72. flybono24 says:
    Aug 23, 2016 1:55 PM

    His career took off with the Tuck Rule B.S. which was a conspiracy with the NFL for them to win, then won a few more Super Bowls during the SpyGate scandal of stealing teams’ plays, and now in the final few years he’s been accused of tampering with footballs.
    ___________________________________

    Spygate wasn’t about stealing signals. That’s perfectly legal and every team does it (or tries their best, at least). Spygate was about recording the other team’s signals from the sideline.

    Prior to 2007 it was perfectly legal to record from a sideline location. But the NFL issued a memo after the 2006 season that prohibited recording from the sideline (but not from certain other locations where it is still perfectly legal to this day).

    So, please explain how the Pats’ Super Bowl wins in 2001, 2003, and 2004 are tainted based on a rule that didn’t exist prior to 2007. That’s right … you can’t!

  73. But but but
    Idealgaslaw.com
    Yourteamcheatstoo.com
    Wellsreprtcontext.net
    Matt Walsh didn’t cover Pats logo on his sweatshirt.com
    11.8 11.3
    12.4 12.01
    11.7 11.2
    Etc
    Etc
    Etc

    Will u Pat fans ever get to talk about football?
    U can thank BB, Ernie Adams and Brady for that.
    ****
    #teehee

  74. I’ll add that Cassel was a 5 game drop off in wins for the Pats. Brady was 16-0 with basically the same team that Cassel went 11-5 with.

    Although Cassel had mild success with Chiefs early on, he isn’t even sniffing Brady’s skillset/football mind.

    Montana went 11-5 and 9-7 with the Chiefs, hardly proving your theory. In fact, Cassel went 10-6 with the Chiefs.

    —————–

    Montana went to the AFCC game with the Chiefs, I’m certain Chiefs fans will take that over any season with Cassel.

  75. The frequency thing is REAL.
    Opposing coaches have testified that when they go into Foxborough, they have weird “glitches” with their equipment. Sometimes it even fails altogether, while (of course) the *pats equipment is working fine.

    They probably have radio scanners all over the stadium so they can hack in and listen to the calls.

  76. qbarrel says:

    Where’s your foil hat? Extra frequency? I’ve never, ever heard mention of this.
    ————————-

    Limakey had someone read to him a stupid psigate book that has all kind of fantastical delusions. The book actually has Bill Belichick in the Texas School Book Depository with a rifle, shooting at Roger Goodell’s motorcade.

  77. Cassel did an admirable job filling in, he was fun to watch and the season was not a total disaster… but the Patriots still missed the playoffs and a very big reason for that was the fact they were 1-4 against the AFC playoff field and blown out 3 times. In other words they could not hang with good defenses anymore without the GOAT QB Tom Brady’s services.

    Heh.

    Go figure.:)

    ——————————

    You do realize the Patriots missed the playoffs in 2002 with Brady so it was not guaranteed they would made the playoffs in 2008 with Brady.

  78. mmack66 says:
    Aug 23, 2016 5:25 PM
    qbarrel says:

    Where’s your foil hat? Extra frequency? I’ve never, ever heard mention of this.
    ————————-

    Limakey had someone read to him a stupid psigate book that has all kind of fantastical delusions. The book actually has Bill Belichick in the Texas School Book Depository with a rifle, shooting at Roger Goodell’s motorcade.
    —-
    Was this the goofy book with the word “untold” in it? LOL. That explains a lot.

    Funny how that author – a guy fired from his job as an investment advisor for misleading his customers- couldn’t even get one publisher to support that book. I wonder why. 🙂

  79. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:

    Montana went to the AFCC game with the Chiefs, I’m certain Chiefs fans will take that over any season with Cassel.
    —————————-

    For once, I will agree with jetsfan4life. Cassel had one good season, and the rest were disasters.

  80. LyinRogerMustGo says:
    Aug 23, 2016 4:49 PM
    The Patriots were only guilty of filming from a non-compliant location (the sideline) vs. the NFL-mandated end zone location.
    —-
    Belichick believed the rule gave them the ok to do what they did, and based on what the rule actually said, he has a valid point.

    He made two mistakes – 1) not calling the league ahead of time to double check his interpretation and 2) Believing that #LyinRoger was a good commissioner

    —————————————–

    True. What’s lost in all the vitriolic panty-bunching is that people firmly believe that Belichick deliberately and willingly defied the NFL and broke a rule in full view of everyone on national TV by brandishing a camera and pointing it at the opposition’s sideline. Let me ask a question – If Belichick is half of the criminal mastermind that the majority of fans think he is, then why on earth would he do something so obvious and crudely ineffective?

  81. You do realize the Patriots missed the playoffs in 2002 with Brady so it was not guaranteed they would made the playoffs in 2008 with Brady.


    Nah…it was guaranteed 🙂

    U getting mad boy?

    🙂

  82. I love seeing PEDton fans use the Cassel argument against Brady.

    They really have short memories. 🙂

    #BrockOsweiler

  83. QB, I am sorry, for not being clear. It was always illegal to tape the coaches signals. ALWAYS, there was never an acceptable location. Yes, if you read the first reports it is in there about the extra frequency. It appears to me that was found and reported to Goodell was conclusive proof as well as the interviews that were conducted with Belichick, Adams and a couple of other guys. All you have to know is that Goodell covered for your team, worked hand in hand with Kraft to keep a lid on it and down play it as much as possible. He saved your team from being the main stars in a congressional hearing. He even got the owners and/or coaches to validate their losses so no one would have to go under oath. Sure Goodell would have been fired, but so would have Belichick and his entire staff. Belichick and Adams would have been banished and Kraft would have been forced to sell his team. Goodell should have been fired over Spygate.

  84. LyinRogerMustGo says:

    Was this the goofy book with the word “untold” in it? LOL. That explains a lot.

    Funny how that author – a guy fired from his job as an investment advisor for misleading his customers- couldn’t even get one publisher to support that book. I wonder why.:)
    ———————-

    Yep. That’s the book.

  85. The frequency thing is REAL.
    Opposing coaches have testified …
    ————
    Testified? In a court of law? With actual proof?
    Um, no. Unsubstantiated claims from idiots and losers like Tomlin for sure. But no one has “testified” to anything of the sort.

    I’m glad I could set the record straight for you. It’s a service I provide here on PFT. (You’re welcome!)

  86. Nothing brings out the enviers like a post about Tom Brady, the Greatest NFL Player of All-Time. Fear not Pats enviers, you will likely be sharing your envy through three more Brady seasons, and two more Brady Super Bowl MVPs.

  87. It was always illegal to tape the coaches signals.
    ——

    I’d ask for a source from you but we both already know this to be false. So, no. Not true at all.

    I’m glad I could set the record straight for you. It’s a service I provide here on PFT. (You’re welcome!)

  88. flybono24 says:
    Aug 23, 2016 5:22 PM

    The frequency thing is REAL.
    Opposing coaches have testified that when they go into Foxborough, they have weird “glitches” with their equipment. Sometimes it even fails altogether, while (of course) the *pats equipment is working fine.
    ———————————

    Headset issues have nothing to do with extra frequency delusion.

    Any issues with the headsets are the sole problem of the NFL, comprised of a bunch of billionaires so miserly, that even Ebenezer Scrooge said “They sure are some cheap bastards.”

  89. Yep. That’s the book.

    LOL. Of course it is. 🙂

    The book has no publisher support… the writing from what I saw is amateurish…and best of all the author (who is a Steeler fan) admitted on a radio program that it covers no new ground and all he did to “write” it was…AND I quote… “googled every article I could find on Spygate and laid them out on my bed”

    I mean… let’s be serious. Do I need to say anything more than that?

    My interest certainly would be piqued with a book on the true story of spygate from a credible author…and a look behind the scenes on what did or didn’t happen… but this book ain’t it. 🙂 I will give the author credit though. He knew a lot of gullible people would hand over their money. Can’t hate on a dude who saw an opportunity and took it…as goofy as the means was.

    🙂

  90. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    Aug 23, 2016 1:14 PM
    I’m a Patriots fan but I can’t call Brady the GOAT until he shows he can have success outside the Patriots system. I mean a high school QB can have success in this system. Matt Cassel is not a good QB because he went 11-5 with the Patriots. The system made him look good.

    ======================================
    Huh? He is the system.
    Huh

  91. trailerparkking says:
    Aug 23, 2016 12:39 PM

    Brady is being a coward and so are the Boston media. Time to man up, Tammy!
    —————————————————————
    ariani1985 says:
    Aug 23, 2016 12:43 PM

    hey Tammy, you made at Roger for putting you in your place?
    —————————————————————

    Not judging, but I just have seen several individuals on PFT refer to Mr. Tom Brady as “Tammy” and I’m wondering if there is a form of someone being attracted to someone else where a person imagines that a man is a female? And then they go on to make up a pet name for their interest that sounds more feminine. Then the person obsesses over their newfound interest by finding articles about the person so they can use the pet name as often as possible?
    If that’s what is happening then we should all be accepting of it and not judge If it’s a bad typo then it should only happen once.

  92. Headset issues have nothing to do with extra frequency delusion.


    I wish Tomlin didn’t go there. Even though he is coach of a truly despicable team up to last year I always liked him… but I lost a lot of respect for him after that embarrassing post game tantrum in the opener last year.

    Too bad.

  93. profootball13 says:
    Aug 23, 2016 7:53 PM

    It’s a shame Brady Cheated and Opened Up this UGLY Can of Worms………smh………
    —————————————————————–

    Those that understand science know that the NFL wrongly punished the Patriots for something that naturally occurs. The NFL still has not released the PSI data that was collected during the 2015 season because the data shows the science which exonerates Tom Brady.

  94. Limakey, what was reported to Goodell and covered up was evidence of CTE.

    If you were a real fan that, not the Patriots doninance, would be the source of your otrage.

  95. I would say the league opened up this can of worms by not just fining the Pat’s. Blowing it up to this crazy charge and twisting from probably knew something to the ring leader allowed this to drag out.

  96. LyinRogerMustGo says:

    LOL. Of course it is.:)

    The book has no publisher support… the writing from what I saw is amateurish…and best of all the author (who is a Steeler fan) admitted on a radio program that it covers no new ground and all he did to “write” it was…AND I quote… “googled every article I could find on Spygate and laid them out on my bed”
    —————————–

    So even the title of the book is a lie, since all of the nonsense was already told?

  97. limakey says:
    Aug 23, 2016 1:26 PM
    Chuck, Brady lied under oath and prevented JJ and JM from testifying under oath. Round NFL. Wells Report (NFL) vs Wells In Context (Pats Legal Respone) Not even close, NFL kicked the Pats ass on this one. Funny, Pats can’t win fair and square but against the NFL, they got caught and beat, fair and square. If Pats fans say the NFL cheated to win over the Pats, you need to follow your own advice, it doesn’t matter in long run. You keep your Superbowls, NFL keeps your draft picks, money and are forever labeled cheaters. Your coach and qb will never be first ballot in HOF. They don’t deserve first ballot, I don’t think they deserve the Hall at all but Kraft has got the money to buy the votes.
    =============================
    And yet if Ted Wells believed Walt Anderson could somehow recall what gauge he used the texts, lies and video simply don’t matter. It’s not coincidental at all that Ted Wells didn’t believe a single person he interviewed. Not … one.

  98. The book has no publisher support… the writing from what I saw is amateurish…and best of all the author (who is a Steeler fan) admitted on a radio program that it covers no new ground and all he did to “write” it was…AND I quote… “googled every article I could find on Spygate and laid them out on my bed”
    ——————————————–

    That was one of the unintentionally hilarious contradictions by that conspiracy nut: He found all these different media articles about spygate, used them as sources (after altering quotes to fit his agenda), and then claimed the media totally ignored the story while bragging about the number of sources he used. That takes a special kind of delusion.

  99. Leave the scissors alone!
    If Gisele wants paper dolls cut out, let her do it herself.
    Go back to tatting doilies with a football needle.

  100. The infamous extra frequency report put in by the mysterious bigfoot the Patriots have hired for decades. Every allegation that can’t be verified is attributed to bigfoot. LOL

    To suggest signals aren’t taped from the approved taping location is a bit disingenuous as well. There’s a reason the coaches tape is created next to the press boxes on the other side of the opposing team. It’s because the NFL knows they can’t stop them from taping signals. It seems rather silly to suggest taping signals is illegal. Even if that’s true there is absolutely nothing stopping any team from doing so. And it’s been that way for decades.

  101. flybono24 says:
    Aug 23, 2016 5:22 PM

    The frequency thing is REAL.
    Opposing coaches have testified that when they go into Foxborough, they have weird “glitches” with their equipment. Sometimes it even fails altogether, while (of course) the *pats equipment is working fine.

    ————–

    This same complaint has also been brought up the stadiums of Arizona, Pittsburgh, Dallas, Tampa and probably others. And the NFL is in control of the equipment and are supposed to disable both teams audio if one team is having serious problems with it.

  102. To suggest signals aren’t taped from the approved taping location is a bit disingenuous as well. There’s a reason the coaches tape is created next to the press boxes on the other side of the opposing team. It’s because the NFL knows they can’t stop them from taping signals. It seems rather silly to suggest taping signals is illegal. Even if that’s true there is absolutely nothing stopping any team from doing so. And it’s been that way for decades.
    —————————————
    That Madden clip that was posted about this time last year illustrated that.

    It was from a Dallas-Washington game in the early 90s and Madden remarked between plays how divisional opponents will videotape the signals that opposing give on the sidelines. He mentioned it casually, like it was a normal and accepted practice in the league. It was the total opposite of the hysteria that fans react to the idea now.

  103. FireRoger, Seiously, you still hanging on that? Science proves something happened to the Patriots balls that caused them to measure below legal limits, that mother nature and IGL can’t account for. Exponent based all their science on on experiments and tests. What do you base your belief on, WalterAnderson’s recollection. Exponent explained how they concluded Walt Anderson was mistaken. They used science to prove he was mistaken about which gauge was used. What science did the Pats use to determine what guage was used, none, unless you want to call it, ‘The Science of Walt Anderson’s Recollection”. So it is your position that actual sience, who you say doesn’t lie, should be totally tossed in this case because of a recollection? Then how do you prove it was impossible for Walt Anderson to be mistaken, scientifically, of course. Prove Walt over science.

  104. limakey says:
    Aug 24, 2016 12:41 PM

    FireRoger, Seiously, you still hanging on that? Science proves something happened to the Patriots balls that caused them to measure below legal limits, that mother nature and IGL can’t account for. Exponent based all their science on on experiments and tests. What do you base your belief on, WalterAnderson’s recollection. Exponent explained how they concluded Walt Anderson was mistaken. They used science to prove he was mistaken about which gauge was used. What science did the Pats use to determine what guage was used, none, unless you want to call it, ‘The Science of Walt Anderson’s Recollection”. So it is your position that actual sience, who you say doesn’t lie, should be totally tossed in this case because of a recollection? Then how do you prove it was impossible for Walt Anderson to be mistaken, scientifically, of course. Prove Walt over science.
    ….

    Exhibit 1 is the hilariously incorrect measuring of the length of the two gauge needles in Exponent’s report. How could they screw that up so badly?

  105. Vedd, not sure what you are talking about, but you need more to top ‘The Science of Walt Anderson’s Recollection” that Pat fans use as their lifeline.

  106. limakey says: Aug 24, 2016 1:47 PM
    Vedd, not sure what you are talking about, but you need more to top ‘The Science of Walt Anderson’s Recollection” that Pat fans use as their lifeline.

    ============================

    In Wells Report on pg. 175, the needles are measured wrong.

    Exponent claims they know the non logo gauge was used because Wells said both teams equipment managers measured their respective footballs prior to giving them to the refs and Anderson’s gauge measurements matched their stated preference. But nothing was recorded so its all from Anderson’s memory and Anderson admits some of the Pats balls were over 12.5. And zero environmental or time information is given about the alleged pre-inspection measurements done by the teams’ equipment managers. That is too many unknown variables to draw any meaningful scientific conclusion.

  107. limakey says:
    Aug 24, 2016 1:47 PM

    Vedd, not sure what you are talking about, but you need more to top ‘The Science of Walt Anderson’s Recollection” that Pat fans use as their lifeline.
    ————————

    Well, maybe we should also disregard Walt Anderson’s recollection that for the first time ever, he couldn’t find the footballs before the start of the game.

  108. Jetsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    Aug 23, 2016 5:30 PM

    You do realize the Patriots missed the playoffs in 2002 with Brady so it was not guaranteed they would made the playoffs in 2008 with Brady.
    —————————————-
    But he has made it every other year he played since 2002, so I would call that a lock. Can you recall any other QB that has done that? (I’m talking about the modern era. No leather helmets). He is the best QB that ever lived, and he’s not done yet.

  109. draculalambert says:
    Aug 23, 2016 4:45 PM
    I wouldn’t mind seeing this investigated at least on a low level.
    ———————–
    Then maybe Tomlin and Roger will get together and you will get your wish. They are about as a low a level as you can find.

  110. smartcollegefootball says:
    Aug 24, 2016 6:31 PM
    “A Silly Accident”

    Well, that certainly clears it all up, doesn’t it

    The Patriot Way
    =================

    “It’s good to be back with the team,” Brady said. “I feel good. I was ready to go, had everything on and was just trying to get something out of my shoe, and the scissors slipped, and it was just a silly accident.”

    Actually, it’s pretty clear. Not sure what other mystery there is to behold from that.

  111. A silly accident that he had to be sent home ASAP and not be on the sidelines and carry at least a clip board? I think there are serious issues between Bill and Tom. Tom humiliated the organizational staff, Mr. Kraft but most off all, Bill himself. Bill has every right to be pissed at him.

  112. limakey says:
    Aug 24, 2016 7:19 PM
    A silly accident that he had to be sent home ASAP and not be on the sidelines and carry at least a clip board? I think there are serious issues between Bill and Tom. Tom humiliated the organizational staff, Mr. Kraft but most off all, Bill himself. Bill has every right to be pissed at him.
    =================
    Tom humiliated the organizational staff – LOL

    There’s a simple answer to all of that … who bleeping cares.

    As a Pats fans I really could give two flying fig newtons if Brady and Bill are best buddies or not. In the end it’s the coaches call. This is nothing more than an artifact of that. Brady can go pound sand if he’s really that pissed about it anyway.

  113. And no, science absolutely does not prove something happened to the Patriots balls. Just like it didn’t prove anything happened to the Colts balls.

    Exponent did nothing to prove Anderson’s recollection was wrong. The Exponent experiments only prove that Anderson’s non-logo gauge was similar to other non-logo gauges. Heck they didn’t even procure the same exemplar gauges identical to the Logo Gauge which would make you4 claim an impossibility.

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