Kaepernick was right about police vs. cosmetology training

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Of the various things 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick’s said during a lengthy media availability on Sunday, the one that resonated the most with many (including me) entailed the comparison of legally-required training for those who are supposed to keep us safe to those who are supposed to keep us looking presentable.

“There is police brutality,” Kaepernick said. “People of color have been targeted by police. So that’s a large part of it. And they’re government officials. They’re put in place by the government so that’s something that this country has to change. There’s things we can do to hold them more accountable, make those standards higher.

“You have people that practice law and our lawyers and go to school for eight years, but you can become a cop in six months and don’t have to have the same amount of training as a cosmetologist. That’s insane. Someone that’s holding a curling iron has more education and more training than people that have a gun and are going out on the street to protect us.”

It was an eye-opening claim, one that I had decided on Monday to research: In California, where Kaepernick lives and works, does a cosmetologist have more training than a police officer?

Before I could actually start the project, I received the letter to the 49ers and the NFL from the San Francisco Police Officers Association, and I noticed that the wide-ranging response to Kaepernick’s assertions did not include a challenge to his facts regarding police versus cosmetology training. Which told me that Kaepernick was factually correct; otherwise, the SFPOA would have pointed it out.

Indeed, he was correct. Police officers in California must attend (either before being hired or upon hire) an 888-hour Basic Police Academy, which requires roughly six months to complete. Cosmetologists in California have a 1,600-hour training requirement before they can even take the test required to secure a license.

Regardless of anyone’s opinions regarding the manner in which Kaepernick chose to express his concerns, it’s fair to ask the question of whether the persons on the front lines of law enforcement, making life-and-death decisions regarding themselves and others in the heat of the moment, have sufficient training, education, and overall fitness for this critical job. If they do, great. If they don’t, then improvements are required.

Even though the vast majority of police officers fulfill their obligations professionally, honorably, fairly, and appropriately, some don’t — and the mere fact that they wear the uniform and display the badge doesn’t make them immune from criticism, scrutiny, and ultimately consequences for failing to meet or exceed the standards that apply when deciding whether to protect themselves by using deadly force.

89 responses to “Kaepernick was right about police vs. cosmetology training

  1. People of non-color have been targeted by police too. Let’s not just have convenient arguments and stances.

  2. Here is oppression Kaepernick, you ignornant..also, give back your money, your car, your house, your freedom, your benefits, you air conditioning, your food, your government support, your defense of your country, and please leave, and take all the under educated with you back to wherever it is you think you have it better. Leave. Now.

    A teenager who vanished from Myrtle Beach, SC, in 2009 was repeatedly raped in a gang “stash house” for several days — then she was shot dead and fed to alligators when her disappearance generated too much media attention, the FBI said last week.

    The shocking new details about the mysterious disappearance of 17-year-old Rochester, NY, native Brittanee Drexel came largely from a “jailhouse confession” that was subsequently substantiated by others with “tidbits” and “secondhand information,” FBI Agent Gerrick Munoz testified in a federal court transcript obtained by the Post and Courier of Charleston.

    The inmate who gave the alleged bombshell confession, Taquan Brown, is serving a 25-year sentence for voluntary manslaughter in a different case. Brown told authorities he was present during the final agonizing moments of Drexel’s life, Munoz said.

    Brown claimed to have seen Drexel when he visited a “stash house” — typically a place used to keep guns, drugs or money — in the McClellanville area, the general location where Drexel’s cellphone last pinged.
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    In 2010, Myrissa Drexel falls into her father Chad Drexel’s arms at a vigil to commemorate a year since Brittanee Drexel was last seen in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.Photo: AP

    Munoz said Brown told officials he saw Da’Shaun Taylor, then 16 years old, and several other men “sexually abusing Brittanee Drexel.” Brown then said he walked to the back yard of the house to give money to Taylor’s father, Shaun Taylor. But as Brown and Shaun Taylor talked, Drexel tried to make a break for it. Her escape attempt was in vain, however, and one of the captors “pistol-whipped” Drexel and carried her back inside the house. Brown said he then heard two gunshots. The next time Brown said he saw Drexel, her body was being wrapped up and removed from the house.

    Drexel’s body has never been found, but Munoz said “several witnesses” have told investigators she was dumped in an unspecified McClellanville pond teeming with alligators.

    Drexel was last captured on video on April 25, 2009, leaving the Blue Water Hotel in Myrtle Beach, where she was staying against her parents’ permission. A different inmate serving time at Georgetown County Jail told officials he was informed Da’Shaun Taylor picked Drexel up in Myrtle Beach and transported her to McClellanville.

    Munoz said the FBI believes Taylor “showed her off, introduced her to some other friends that were there … they ended up tricking her out with some of their friends, offering her to them and getting a human trafficking situation.”

    As the media spotlight grew ever brighter on the desperate efforts to find Drexel, the girl was “murdered and disposed of,” Munoz said.
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    Munoz’s testimony was part of a bond hearing for a federal charge against Da’Shaun Taylor, now 25, stemming from a 2011 robbery of a McDonald’s. Taylor had previously confessed to being the getaway driver for the holdup, cooperated with South Carolina authorities and completed probation. But prosecutors are now trying to bring federal charges and, if convicted of the new charges, Taylor could face a life sentence.

    Taylor’s attorney contended the federal charges are a naked attempt to “squeeze” Taylor for information on the Drexel case. Asked by Magistrate Judge Mary Gordon Baker about “the real reason” for the charges and if they had to do with Drexel’s disappearance, Assistant US Attorney Winston Holliday said “that would be one” reason.

    Taylor was released after posting $10,000 bail.

  3. You can just compare hours. Compare the intensity of the training along with the information required to learn in that period. Look at the military for example 6-8 weeks basic training along with another 2-3 months for training in their specialized field. Should barbers and hair dressers defend this country because their schooling was longer? If anything this article just proves it takes way to long to become a stylist.

  4. Police officers save lives every day. If only we had a more honest press that focuses on the good ( which is the majority) . Instead of propaganda that tries to keep political parties in power, there would be less ignorant, entitled and unhappy people like Kap. Kap is a product of propaganda and the feminization of men in this country. Sensitive, entitled and victimized. Hopefully one day he will grow up and become a wise man.

  5. My sister went to school for 2 years to become a hair dresser and it’s crazy I could be licensed to carry a gun in only 6. While you may disagree with his method of not standing up he has already brought a ton of media attention to his cause which is what he intended to do. Stop saying he is doing this so when he gets cut he has an excuse to why he can’t find a job because Denver and Dallas would contact him asap if he became available. Police need better training that’s a fact not an opinion. The only thing less intelligent then saying all cops are bad is saying all cops are good. He specifically said he isn’t doing this to disrespect military personal so stop saying that’s what he is doing. Just because he makes millions doesn’t mean he isn’t aloud to comment on oppression people blasted gabble Douglas for standing with her hands behind her back during the national anthem at the Olympics but nobody said anything when Donald trump did the same thing at republican debates. I understand why you could view what he did as disrepectful but stop saying he should leave the country if he thinks he is oppressed because Gallup has done polls and say only 87% of people approve interracial marriage you can’t tell me thrre aren’t still racial problems in America and its more than possible that in that 13% one or more of them is a cop.

  6. He’s allowed to protest how he likes, and the flag represents the right to do that, as well as many things.

    It represents the USA and how we treat our people, it also can represent the military and those sacrifices.

    That becomes tricky because if you protest one, people think you are protesting the other… it’s a poor choice for trying to express one thought because people automatically assume you mean “screw veterans”.

    He could have chosen his acts wiser, and not pissed off people he didn’t intend to offend.

    He’s a QB, so I’m taking his thoughts as such… some guy expressing his feelings, which is legal in the USA and even encouraged as citizens, but I’m not considering him a scholar either til he proves it. He can prove that himself.

  7. I think it was already pretty clear that most cops *don’t* have sufficient training.

    Kaep’s comparison is just a way of highlighting that.

    It’s also pretty clear that in the wake of the shootings that have been recorded and broadcast all over social media, some police departments (but not very many, and definitely not enough) have recognized the problem and are striving to remedy these conditions, while others have become entrenched, insisting that their training methods are sufficient.

    It’s good that we’ve moved past the idea that Kaep was somehow protesting the military because he chose to sit during the national anthem. The flag stands for the military, but it also stands for so much more than that. And he made clear that he has no beef with the military.

    This is a good article, Florio!

  8. This will never end. We have about 700,000 cops in the US. If they each get dispatched 10x per day, thats 7,000,000 encounters our police will have every single day. Multiply that by 365 days and it’s several BILLION encounters.

    These cops are patrolling the neighborhoods and streets we all try to avoid. Even if they do the right thing 99.99% of the time, there will still be 100’s of questionable cases. That will never go away, because 100% perfection is not attainable, so people like Kap and everyone else will have an endless pool of examples to gripe about because there will always be questionable shootings when police are put in split second decisions.

    It will happen even if Kap becomes the of the police department… Then we could tell him how racist he is too. Funny how only the shootings of blacks cause riots and protests, but no one cares when it happens to a white person. That is what we call “Selective outrage”. You get angry only when it fits your narrative… Otherwise you don’t care. Much like all the black lives that are lost due to black on black violence.

    If you fix that problem, there are 8,000 more black people alive every year. If you fix unjust police shootings, there will be 50 more blacks alive each year. So what is your goal?? To help black lives, or to make yourself feel better by solving a problem that is a drop in the bucket compared to what everyone else see’s as the real problem??

  9. Yep. Totally correct.

    And with that, the SFPD should immediately suspend all patrols in or near 49ers stadium, until they are better trained.

    Maybe they can have cosmetologists from the Castro district fill in….

  10. …I noticed that the wide-ranging response to Kaepernick’s assertions did not include a challenge to his facts regarding police versus cosmetology training. Which told me that Kaepernick was factually correct…

    There’s a nice slippery slope to lead your lemmings down the garden path by…

  11. The problem with Kaepernick’s argument is that he has taken the side full of chants, marches and protests but totally lacking in facts.

    Fact: “Hands up don’t shoot” has been discredited and DIDN’T HAPPEN.
    Fact: The percentage of Blacks shot by police mirror their rate of participation in violent crime.
    Fact: A black judge freed all of the officers charged in Baltimore.
    Fact: A Harvard study conducted by a black professor concluded that there was no racial bias in police shootings.
    Fact: Blacks participate in over 50% of all murders and 28% of all violent crime. (Just google “FBI Table 43”)

  12. I think that California has far too many requirements to be a cosmetologist. This is the absolute minimum requirements – most also go through a minimum 2-year program in Criminal Justice – Law Enforcement and others a 4-year degree. Also have to physical, written, and psychological testing. Not to mention extensive background checks. So, stop it with that silliness.

  13. Except after graudating from the academy, newly sworn officers/deputies must go through Field Training. That usually lasts from 3-6 months.

    Then officers/deputies must complete a Probationary Period before becoming certified as Law Enforcement Officers/Deputies. This amounts to over a year of specialized training.

  14. But it took Kaepernick’s whole life to decide to take sides on an issue. At exactly the same time his career is going down the toilet? I’m sure the timing is no coincidence.

  15. I have a feeling this guy is just going to keep talking more and more since he is obviously never going to see the field again. Shame.

  16. The only thing I think cops need to focus on more is conflict resolution. It’s the wild west out there, so I don’t feel comfortable ostracizing police officers as a whole, because when we need them, they’re there, and not every person out there is as accepting or understanding of what being police officers in the street of America entails. Albeit that, it’s universally known that police training lacks a significant amount of focus on conflict resolution. With time, I believe it could help some situations that escalate way too quickly.

    Just a proud American with a thought.

  17. He also needs to worry less about the hours it takes to become a cop, a hairstylist, a plumber, a teacher or whatever and worry more about the time he spends in trying to become a successful QB in this league because that is HIS job. Let everyone else do and worry about their own.

  18. The overwhelming majority of police officers are good people doing the best they can at their job. The problem is the media and idiots like Kaepernick that highlight the very few bad apples in an attempt to push their own agendas. Sad world we live in.

  19. All I can say is there are good cops and there are bad as in any job. Walk in their shoes for a week or two. Police have to make a decision on what most of them have never had to do (shoot someone) and I am sure at that instant race is the furthest thing from their mind.

  20. I would imagine a degree of some kind is required to become a police officer, like associates or bachelors in criminal justice. So technically it could be a minimum of 2 1/2 years of training.

    I’m pretty sure someone going into cosmetology can just go in without any prior education.

  21. There are only so many ways you can cut hair from the human body. If anyone is suggesting that cosmotology training in California is more demanding in any respect than basic entry level training to the police force…this position is rediculous and completely discounts the training the officers continue through their carreer. Nobody with any shred of common sense believes this. If you have any doubts about this comparision next time you get your hair cut imagine your “stylist” being the first responding officer to armed criminals threatening the life of your loved ones.

  22. His opinions are correct, but I have to agree the presentation was not good. My granddaughter is going to a cosmetology school in Houston which is 3 days for 13 months. Some states require police training that is less than 6 months. And the state foots the bill. If they would require the applicants to pay what other pay to learn a craft and put the amount of hours in that training, then maybe it would weed out those that just want the power a cop has. That would be a start.

  23. firecracker87 says:
    Aug 30, 2016 11:57 AM

    All great points and a valid topic of discussion. But a football game is still not the time or place for said discussion / expression.

    You actually just validated everything Kaepernick has said.

    If it is true that this is “not the time or place for said discussion/expression” then you would have to get rid of all forms of political expression including national anthems, moments of silence or military fly-overs, etc. The problem with you statement is you want to pick and choose whose and what type of expression is aloud. It’s a very hypocritical stance!

  24. What he conveniently, or carelessly forgot is what your background must be to get ADMITTED INTO the training….. ie, military service, police record, education, etc. And then, as Johnny says above, the type and intensity of the training.

  25. Johnny says:
    Aug 30, 2016 12:01 PM

    You can just compare hours. Compare the intensity of the training along with the information required to learn in that period. Look at the military for example 6-8 weeks basic training along with another 2-3 months for training in their specialized field. Should barbers and hair dressers defend this country because their schooling was longer? If anything this article just proves it takes way to long to become a stylist.

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    You are correct. Police training is way more analogous to military basic in it’s intensity and how much they teach in a short amount of time than cosmetology. That Police Academy is not a joke, despite what Steve Gutenberg says.

  26. Just. Let. It. Go. We’ve dissected this more than the Kennedy assassination.

    In the words of the Lord Humungus,

    “Just walk away, there’s been too much violence, too much pain. Just walk away and there will be an end to the horror.”

  27. I have a relative who is a police officer, someone I consider a good dude (and not coincidentally opposes some of the stupider laws and does acknowledge racial issues and other thing). One of the reasons he did it was how easy it was to train and get the job. He wanted to be a teacher or a fire fighter. He graduated from college, where he did well academically, and was working as a part-time preschool teacher. He told me he was riding the bus one day and saw an ad recruiting for police officers. He responded to the ad, went into the police academy and became an officer in a major city/county shortly after. He’s liberal but he definitely sticks to the whole “thin blue line” mentality. He’s been in for around 15 years, but as far as I know he’s always been looking out for something better. For all the danger and other issues involved (generally not great pay though it beats many jobs, etc) there are a lot of people who choose to do the job because it’s their best career move. Just like guys volunteer to join the military- it’s a career choice like any other. You factor in the costs and benefits. For some reason all the guys I went to high school with who wanted to be cops were C-student stoners. Probably because they knew they weren’t going to get a high-end college degree, if any, and knew that being a police officer was a relatively well-paying union job (interjection: I find it strange how many anti-union people ONLY support the police union) without any high hurdles to get into.

  28. If the problem he wants to protest is his perception that cops see all black men as criminals, how exactly does it help to paint all cops as racists?

    A broad brush is a broad brush, no matter who is holding it.

  29. Save your breath. White people won’t care until they start getting those calls in the middle of the night about their kids getting blown away at a higher rate, and if they pay attention, it’s moving in that direction. Then, we’ll see if we need to fix divorce rates or something else unrelated to the problem first. Just like bring my jobs back from China when it didn’t matter when inner city USA was saying the same thing 25 years ago when their jobs went to nonunion parts of the country. Just wait on it though.

  30. It’s an interesting point. Instead of sitting during the anthem or making Twitter statements I’d like to see more athletes, leaders and politicians sitting down with communities and the police to help facilitate discussions. It’s the only way that the two sides can learn to trust each other and fix this situation.

  31. I read a good article not that long ago by a black ex-cop that said training was not the issue really. His take was that the training was sufficient but accountability wasn’t. You have to take a look at all components.

  32. If only 20% of trained police force are whackjobs, it’s far too much. They need to be vetted and monitored much more closely by the state than hair stylists.

    That’s a valid point by Kaepernick. Dare I say he raised awareness of a glaring issue.

  33. It doesn’t take 8 years to get a law degree, many better schools than Nevada allow students to get a B Comm and a JD in 5 years…

  34. He’s right but extra training ain’t gonna help get rid of trigger happy cops. They are not going to be punished as long as DAs are reluctant to bring charges and juries are reluctant to convict. This happens REGARDLESS of color of the perp, as evidenced last year in the sleepy town of Paradise, Ca. A dumb 17 year old kid, probably high on drugs, tries to evade cops but wrecks and flips his vehicle. The dash cam shows the kid climbing out with his back to the cop and the cop frigging pumps MULTIPLE bullets into the kid’s back as he’s climbing out of the upside down car. The cop later claimed his gun “accidentally” went off (several times!) even though the video shows him nonchalantly checking out the scene instead of helping the guy he just shot (like a normal person would do if a horrible accident happened). The DA was reluctant to press charges and last I checked it ain’t gonna be for murder or anything even close. Crazy! Google it if you don’t believe me. You just never heard about it cause the kid was white and there weren’t mass protests.

    Most cops ARE good people (I know a few) and take pride in their work, but the few bad apples with itchy trigger fingers are making them all look bad. That ain’t going to change until you get independent investigations that happen that are helmed by independent prosecutors at the state or federal level because the local DAs work too closely with the local cops to be unbiased.

  35. More cauasians are killed by police than “people of color”. It’s called being a criminal. Don’t break laws and your odds are pretty long of getting killed by police. More “people of color” kill each other, and caucasians than police. Lots more. Caucasians not killed by family are more likely to get murdered by “people of color” than other caucasians. As long as we’re holding a town meeting here, I thought I’d throw in.

  36. Many police intake training programs are only 6 months, but most also include up to 1 year of on the job training before an officer can be without an experienced mentor, and police constantly undergo training throughout their careers. Often, requirements such as proficiency in police defensive tactics are not included in training hours and recruits must master these skills in their own time. So, while it seems on paper like a hair dresser requires more training than a police officer, the reality is a bit different if you fully research it.

  37. Astounding how ignorant many of you are. Take it from someone who trains the trainers for police officers (my own brother, who does this in Texas). In nearly every instance of these police killings that have made the news, analysis shows again and again the officers were either newer and poorly trained, or some amount of racial bias was involved. Properly trained, experienced officers dont do these things or very rarely are they involved. The whole point of BLM is this: police officers are not being held accountable for unnecessary violence/murder. Not that black lives are more important, all cops are evil murderers, or that black people are complaining and once again want special treatment and when will enough be enough. Those sentiments and variation of them are nonsense parroted from talk radio or bar conversations. If you dont understand, then just shut up really. You are not helping by spreading more ignorance. But hey–if you were raised to be an idiot, by all means, make your idiot parents proud and keep doing so.

  38. The arguments get more ridiculous and ignorant on this subject everyday. No matter what degree of training a police cadet receives it is the on the job experience with a veteran that provides the real dynamic of everyday life and death situations. The fact is the vast majority of police do their job properly. They serve and protect ALL under a microscope. In the age of Infotainment we have CNN selectively interview a gang member and present a knowingly false story that led to riots in Ferguson, Mo. In Baltimore the Freddie Gray reporting led to riots there. When the case went to court the entire van ride was on traffic camera videos and the officers (black and white) were found not guilty or the case was dropped in spite of inflammatory rhetoric from the Prosecutor. We should all strive for equal treatment and to provide for all in our society but the most important step is missing. BE WELL INFORMED. DO NOT JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS IN THE AGE OF INFOTAINMENT. The facts are often missing from the report that is all heat and no light. That includes PFT. Now for some football!

  39. While the quality of training for law enforcement is a legitimate topic, perhaps a better one is why is the government involved in something as trivial as cutting hair? And don’t give me the sanitary standards and all that crap. It’s just cutting hair!

  40. Yeah but dental technicians require a lot of training, and air conditioning repair workers. Just comparing the number of hours trained doesn’t mean it’s an apt comparison. Plus, cops then have to take years learning on the job and additional classroom time in order to move up the ranks. A rookie out of basic training is in a far different position from a veteran. And the recent problems haven’t been related to lack of training or lack of service time.

  41. rjd23456 says:
    Aug 30, 2016 11:55 AM
    And how long does a police officer have a training officer assigned and how long is he on probation?
    ——
    Did you know, that for many big city police departments one only has to have a high school education? Seattle is such a department. Did you know Seattle went from the top 3 department’s in the country to one of the worst, in a matter of years? Yes, the FEDS swooped in after several wrongful deaths, and beating incidents of those in police custody. Seattle’s PD has been hamstrung with one Federal mandate after another to clean its department up…beginning with a new and female police chief in 2014. What folks don’t seem to want to understand is, there are issues in law enforcement – Today.

    Today, you’re generally on probation for 1 year, and you have an FTO (field training officer) for 3 months, and you’re on own your own.

    When I began in 1988 you had only 10 weeks of Academy training, and the same 3 month FTO training, with 1 year probation, which included your academy and fto time, so essentially 6 months probation being on your own.

    Kaep is write, officers don’t receive the training they should BEFORE being sworn in. And we know why that is. M-O-N-E-Y. No state has the resources today to spend on training.

  42. What you, and most others, are leaving out regarding this is upon completion of a basic academy, all police officers will then need to complete their field officer training. That will last for nearly another 6 months (depending on department). This whole time will be spent with a journeyman where they will actually learn to apply what they were taught in the academy.

    Academy life is a combination of law, firearms, driving, and use of force training. Again, depending on state or federal there could be other courses involved, but those are you major 4 basics. At a certain point you can only train in a controlled environment for so long before you need to work in an environment that is far from controlled. I’m quite sure that hairdressers are cutting real hair within the first 2 weeks, month? Cops don’t have actual interactions with the general public with any authority until at least the 6 months of a basic academy is completed.

  43. OK, so he was right about the hours spent in training. But if I’m being mugged or held up at gunpoint, I’m not calling my hairstylist, and I really don’t care how much time she spent in cosmetology school.

  44. Kaepernick has seen it with his own eyes… on TV.. lol Kaep needs to learn what CRISIS ACTORS and GREEN SCREENS are.. You’ve all been fooled…

  45. Kaepernick was right about police vs. cosmetology training – Mike Florio

    WRONG. While 1600 hours are required to sit for the exam, cosmetologists are holding that curling iron to the heads of real clients after fewer than 400 hours. The rest is mainly supervised practice and advanced niche instruction.

    On the other hand, after completing the required training, new police officers serve a lengthy apprenticeship with a field training officer.

    But back to the first hand, it is an insanely epic bureaucratic failure of government that you can’t get a hairstylist’s license without 1600 hours of training and practice.

  46. Actually, Mr. Florio, you nailed the issue on the head. If anyone takes the time to survey some of the older police officers, they will tell you about their post-academy training. How they had to sit with their partner in a car, learn the beat, the people they serve, to better understand the complexities of their jobs (remember the TV show Adam 12?). Now, once out of the academy, they are given their own vehicles, are not placed with a partner, and don’t know anything about the people in their beat. Its a damn shame because when you take a young officer right out of the academy and put him in an unfamiliar environment, all of the ‘training’ that gives him or her a heightened sense of fear – one that may make him or her a bit trigger happy, will come into play. This is the issue.

  47. braceyourselffor12 says:
    Aug 30, 2016 12:18 PM
    Just. Let. It. Go. We’ve dissected this more than the Kennedy assassination.

    In the words of the Lord Humungus,

    “Just walk away, there’s been too much violence, too much pain. Just walk away and there will be an end to the horror.”
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    Turning a cheek will surely result in progress….

  48. “good that we’ve moved past the idea that Kaep was somehow protesting the military because he chose to sit during the national anthem. The flag stands for the military, but it also stands for so much more than that. And he made clear that he has no beef with the military.”
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    Sorry, but the national anthem does represent the military and the sacrafices made for us to have our freedoms. It has NOTHING to do with police tactics or anything of the sorts. He chose to not respect or pay homage to the military and their sacrafice so he can talk about the criminal justice system. He can’t just declare that the National Anthem and his protest against it has nothing to do with our military. Thats like me protesting and not attending a football game, and then claim I’m actually protesting the MLB. It makes no sense.

    It would make more sense if he refused to serve his jury duty in protest and go to jail for it if necessary. But why not salute and pay homage to our military and their sacrafice so you can talk about police (which has nothing to do with the national anthem)? Lets call a spade a spade and stop saying he wasn’t disrespecting the military, when thats exactly what he did.

  49. This isn’t true. As a police officer, not only did I have to complete the 6 month academy but after the academy you need to complete another 6 month FTO phase where you ride with a Field Training Officer and prove you grasp the job. Also POST requires at least 40 hrs of training per year as continuing training. That is the minimum, but believe me, we are required to attend tons of training. It seems like that’s all we do sometimes. Two weeks ago I had 10 hrs of firearms training, last week I had 40 hrs of tactical arrest training and next week I have legal update training which trains us on the new legislative updates. Please don’t compare this to a barber.

  50. You can find plenty of links online that discuss the fact that police departments, as a matter of policy, will not hire people with above average I.Q.’s because people with lower IQ’s are more likely to follow orders and are less likely to question authority. Just some food for thought as you reflect on Mr. Kaepernick’s assertion (which is largely accurate).

  51. The more this becomes a big deal the more I find myself in support of Kaepernik.

    I especially can’t stand it when people who openly support the party that continually cuts funding to veterans (the republicans, just sayin’, facts and all) try to make someone else feel like a terrorist or traitor because they don’t get all enthusiastic about the meaningless worship a symbol that has been long tarnished. America is far from perfect and we will never get closer to achieving perfection and the dream of “liberty” if we bash and crap all over anyone who actually takes a stand in hopes of making it better.

    I’m so tired of people minimizing the race issues in this country. It really wasn’t that long ago that black people weren’t allowed to use the same restrooms or drinking fountains as everyone else. Lets stop acting like it doesn’t exist, or was just part of some bygone era.

    Believe it or not you can support the troops with all of your heart and beliefs on a much more conceptual level than simply making a token effortless gesture at a sports event. If that’s the bar you use to determine someone’s loyalty, you’re silly and small minded.

  52. huskersrock1 says:
    Aug 30, 2016 12:04 PM
    The problem with Kaepernick’s argument is that he has taken the side full of chants, marches and protests but totally lacking in facts.
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    Fact: whites count for the majority of serial killers and child molestors (by a landslide). But you don’t see anyone pointing out those facts because that wouldn’t fit the narrative.

  53. Save your breath. White people won’t care until they start getting those calls in the middle of the night about their kids getting blown away at a higher rate, and if they pay attention, it’s moving in that direction. Then, we’ll see if we need to fix divorce rates or something else unrelated to the problem first. Just like bring my jobs back from China when it didn’t matter when inner city USA was saying the same thing 25 years ago when their jobs went to nonunion parts of the country. Just wait on it though.
    —–

    If there are predominate white neighborhoods plagued by drugs, shootings, and violence then I’m sure it would happen there as well. It’s a byproduct of living in a dangerous community. Police are more alert and on edge in a neighnorbood where there are daily shootings comapred to a neighborhood where there is 1 every 3 years. It’s not racism, It’s common sense.

  54. You know what else cops have in common with Cosmetologists? Their salaries. Maybe $19m/yr Kap would like to donate some money so that those people out there risking their lives for 30k/yr could have more training or better pay to attract more people to the job? Injustices are real, they do happen, but nobody has that market cornered. Ses and education are far more relevant factors in the discussion of criminal justice than the social construct of race. Btw it really rubs many of us the wrong way when a person in the multi-millionaire category goes all SJW on something because their money and status insulate them from the struggles of these issues.

  55. realfootballfan says:
    Aug 30, 2016 12:22 PM

    “Save your breath. White people won’t care until they start getting those calls in the middle of the night about their kids getting blown away at a higher rate, and if they pay attention, it’s moving in that direction. ”

    Well white kids would have to be responsible for 50% of all murders before that happens.

  56. Cosmetology has a more thorough education – Kap is right.
    The SF Police force has a history of racism, and abuse – Proving Kaps point.

    SF Police force ask for an apology… priceless.

  57. Apples and oranges, and it makes no sense.

    This comparison is an insult to both police officers and cosmetologists alike – their respective fields have absolutely nothing in common at all.

    Just another example of Kaepernick’s distorted attempt to focus the attention on himself to propagate his own agenda, whatever that may be.

  58. bkostela says:
    Aug 30, 2016 12:47 PM
    huskersrock1 says:
    Aug 30, 2016 12:04 PM
    The problem with Kaepernick’s argument is that he has taken the side full of chants, marches and protests but totally lacking in facts.
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    Fact: whites count for the majority of serial killers and child molestors (by a landslide). But you don’t see anyone pointing out those facts because that wouldn’t fit the narrative.

    This quote came from Psychology Today, if you doubt me google it.

    “African-Americans comprise the largest racial minority group among serial killers, representing approximately 20 percent of the total.”

    Keep in mind that Blacks make up 13% of the population so they are over represented in serial killers too.

  59. huskersrock1 says:
    Aug 30, 2016 12:04 PM
    The problem with Kaepernick’s argument is that he has taken the side full of chants, marches and protests but totally lacking in facts.

    Fact: “Hands up don’t shoot” has been discredited and DIDN’T HAPPEN.
    Fact: The percentage of Blacks shot by police mirror their rate of participation in violent crime.
    Fact: A black judge freed all of the officers charged in Baltimore.
    Fact: A Harvard study conducted by a black professor concluded that there was no racial bias in police shootings.
    Fact: Blacks participate in over 50% of all murders and 28% of all violent crime. (Just google “FBI Table 43”)

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    I Google’d FBI Table 43. Thanks for the tip. I’m curious as to why Hispanics are not listed in the table.

  60. bkostela says:
    Aug 30, 2016 12:47 PM
    huskersrock1 says:
    Aug 30, 2016 12:04 PM
    The problem with Kaepernick’s argument is that he has taken the side full of chants, marches and protests but totally lacking in facts.
    _____________________

    Fact: whites count for the majority of serial killers and child molestors (by a landslide). But you don’t see anyone pointing out those facts because that wouldn’t fit the narrative.

    Actually in a 1991 study of 209 child molesters 35 were black which amounts to 16.7%. Again Blaxks are over repreI do agree it is an old limited study but it is more than you presented.

  61. “I Google’d FBI Table 43. Thanks for the tip. I’m curious as to why Hispanics are not listed in the table.”

    In FBI statistics when listed as criminals hispanics are mixed in with whites, when listed as victims hispanics get their own column.

  62. Btostela….not true. The press isnt all over it when blacks molest kids or kill multiple times. Look up black serial killers on Youtube and see how many there are. How many teenage girls have kids by black men? Thats child molestation.

  63. look at the THOUSANDS of hours of football training he’s had.

    And now he’s washed up.

    So, since he sucks, why isn’t he stepping down from the NFL?

  64. chad504boy says:
    Aug 30, 2016 11:55 AM
    People of non-color have been targeted by police too. Let’s not just have convenient arguments and stances.
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    To the very first comment listed. White people get targeted by the police…but not because they’re white. I understand that you think its whining but, if you’re not of color, it’s incomprehensible for you.

  65. firecracker87 says:
    Aug 30, 2016 11:57 AM
    All great points and a valid topic of discussion. But a football game is still not the time or place for said discussion / expression.

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    No it is the exact place you get people’s attention. Where else could have Kap brought this discussion to the forefront. Sometimes you have to have these discussions and there is no “right” place for it other than now. Sorry but a football game is the exact place for this because it brings the topic to the forefront instead of letting it fester.

  66. Didn’t our current President spend about six months as a U.S. Senator before becoming President and King?

    I say if it is good enough for a man to insult and to desecrate a nation for eight years, six months is good enough to become a police officer.

    I’d like to debate Krappernick.

    He’d be toast after his first sentence.

    I am ready. I have more debate experience in high school and in college than that jerk had as a QB in school.

    Therefore, I am more qualified.

  67. This has to be the dumbest argument that has ever existed by linking the time spent in police training to cosmotology. First, did he ever see what cosmotology school consists of, trust me, they aren’t studying rocket science with the brightest of individuals and it still takes them 2 years to do it. It is also a requirement of the education system that they finish so many credits. So as they spend 6 months studying how to dye hair, do you think that even compares to 4 weeks of intense gun training. You can join the army, go to 12 weeks of boot camp and AIT and be sent out in the middle of a war to shoot and kill people. Does that mean that soldiers are unqualified? Hardly for the best military in the world. It has to do with the intensity of training, what is being trained, and the intellect of those being trained. It isn’t the length of time that someone studies, it has to do with far more. STUPID IDIOT TRYING TO JUSTIFY STUPID ACTIONS

  68. bighoser ,
    Nobody is stopping white people from joining minorities in checking authority figures out of control. What you just described is exactly what the future holds if you don’t, and then we’ll see if it’s just “isolated” incidents or that the police are always in the right then. Right now, it’s overwhelmingly black people up and down the socioeconomic spectrum telling you that they get treated differently by law enforcement. Like where you said most police are good people, I have a totally different view of them from my interactions with them over many years in many different parts of this country that would make you cringe if you were in my shoes. And I don’t come from any ghetto or ever sagged my pants or played my music loud or whatever other dumb reason people come up with that we should be treated differently. That’s the disconnect, and it’s not on black people to fix that longstanding problem since we don’t work for the government. You should be demanding more from them, or you’ll soon be understanding where we come from when you and your kids start getting targeted as part of the military police force profiling net.

  69. Law school takes 8 years? Really? Collin how long did it take you to learn to suck at your “profession”. Or wait, have you ever had a job? I mean, free college, and millions of dollars to play a child’s game-badly. In what way have you EVER served society or done anything that wasn’t 100% about yourself? There are many different types of “cops” and many different levels of educational requirements for all of them. Personally I don’t care about your nonsensical political BS. I watch football for entertainment, not to see some third rate pathetic 2nd string QB sit on the bench and whine because the world isn’t fair. You think being a cop is so easy Collin, go take the training and patrol an area…. I hear you’re going to be needing a new job soon anyway. You sir, look more and more like a fool every time you open your mouth. And I am soooo sorry about your suburban middle class oppression, your free education, and your huge salary (for sucking) and how targeted and oppressed you feel. Yes you have a right to protest and look foolish, and we have a right to tell you how ridiculous you look. Why don’t you take all that money you’re making this year for the arduous task of sitting on a bench and do something to make the country better? You’re so concerned about police training spend your hard earned (ROFL) money on improving the situation. No, I didn’t think so. PFT – Thanks for keeping this in the spotlight. Another whiny loser doesn’t get his way – it should definitely be in the news ad nauseum.

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