Patriots have no gray area regarding domestic violence

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At a time when the league and the Giants are spending plenty of time trying to rationalize and justify their approach to kicker Josh Brown, who in May 2015 committed an act of domestic violence that the league didn’t deem to be sufficiently serious to suspend him for the baseline of six games (and that the team didn’t deem to be sufficiently serious to disqualify him from a new two-year contract), at least one franchise is making it clear that there is no gray area on this subject.

“I’m going to speak for the New England Patriots, and I think going back to the days of Christian Peter, we’ve been pretty stringent about it and I think ahead of the curve when it comes to the seriousness of this issue,” Patriots president Jonathan Kraft said on 98.5 The Sports Hub on Sunday, via the Boston Herald. “I don’t think there’s an issue that you could say . . . there might be some that are as serious, but there’s nothing more serious than what’s going on in the domestic violence and the sexual abuse area. It’s something that we have felt strongly about since we’ve owned the franchise.”

It’s more than the Patriots making it clear that their own employees should not engage in domestic violence or sexual abuse — or, as in the case of Christian Peter, relinquishing the rights to a draft pick after ownership became aware of his history.

“[W]e’re using the power of professional sports and our players and our brand to make sure, at the teenage level that . . . we help prevent teenage assault and abuse and hopefully start to teach young men when they’re still in their formative years that it’s something that’s totally unacceptable and it’s not something that we’re ever going to tolerate here at the New England Patriots,” Kraft said. “[W]e have taken it seriously for the 24 years we’ve owned the team. And [it] is something, for us, there literally is no gray area. It’s a very definitive and clear situation.”

True zero tolerance is a tough standard to enforce, because it means that serious consequences will apply to anyone who violates it — from coach to quarterback to any other stat player or valued employee. The Patriots apparently are willing to walk the talk; the true test will come if/when a key member of the organization faces domestic violence allegations.

The most befuddling aspect of the Josh Brown case continues to be the reality that he hardly is a key employee. While New England’s approach is the right one, it will be a challenge at times to apply it across the board. When a lax, clumsy approach is applied to a player who hardly is central to the team’s effort, the perception is reinforced that the NFL doesn’t care as much about domestic violence as it claims.

92 responses to “Patriots have no gray area regarding domestic violence

  1. Well, Willie Andrews cut the next day
    Kenyatta Jones released 5 days later

    so..yeah they do that.
    Some that were suspect – Terry Gleen and Bobby Hamilton had charges dropped so were not cut.

  2. No, we just harbor people with homicidal tendencies on our team, lol. Like seriously, after all the stuff about Hernandez’s actions before he murdered somebody came out, are they really trying to do this PR thing with this?

  3. So to the New England Patriots, females are weak, helpless and unable to take care of themselves? They need to government to protect them from the big, strong men in their lives?

    Either they are inferior or equal, you can’t have it both ways. (In spite of what title IX tells us).

  4. They cut Hernandez, sent Mr Dee- eye-dee home, sat Jones for on field stupidity. Simply top of the class when it comes to this type of thing.

    OK, haters, now you can rant on about PSI and other nonsensical things like Spygate. We love when you show your ignorance.

  5. It’s so simple. The NFL should tell the PA they’re instituting a new zero tolerance for:
    1. Abusing women or children.
    2. Being convicted of drug or alcohol abuse (including DUI and DWI’s)
    3. Testing positive for marijuana or PED’s.
    4. Being arrested and convicted of any felony.

    The penalty for any player caught doing any of those things will be they are banned from the league forever.

    The only problem is the NFL doesn’t have the guts to do it and if they did, they’d lose about half their players in the first year.
    And the Players Association loves protecting the dirt bags in the league.

    And if the fans were held to that criteria, the stadiums would be about half full all over the country, too.

  6. NFL & Goodell along with certain owners, looking at you Mara, spent millions of dollars and went to Fed court to establish Goodell’s unlimited ability to disciple a player, only to give Josh Brown a one game suspension for domestic violence. #DeflateGate Karma coming back to haunt the NFL and its owners.

  7. The Pats made it clear they don’t tolerate serious crimes from their players or staff when the cut Hernandez the day after he was arrested.

    They could have left him on the roster to recover millions in bonus money but didn’t worry about the money, only that they wanted him gone. In case you don’t know, per the cba once you cut a player you can’t chase after him for signing bonus money no matter what he’s done.

  8. Watch out Jonathan..The serial liar Goodell and his leading “defategate” cheerleader John Mara will come after you …remember ‘Deflategate” was made up to take the heat off the Ray Rice situation…more stolen draft picks and lies coming. Because as we now know , and it is perfectly clear Tom Brady has a very difficult time throwing a fully inflated ball.

  9. The Pats made it clear they don’t tolerate serious crimes from their players or staff when the cut Hernandez the day after he was arrested.

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    Actually Hernandez was arrested in the morning and was released before noon the same day.

  10. That Patriots shield has a much brighter shine to it than the NFL shield that Goodell works on tarnishing every year.

    Good job Rog.

    Sincerely,
    Bears fan (which is very difficult to admit these days)

  11. Or in other words, “in your face John Mara”. The Patriots know the influence that he has on Goodell and there’s no reason not to believe that they didn’t conspire on the Brown situation. Mara’s not going away but maybe this will be the hill that Goodell dies on.

  12. cut Hernandez the day after he was arrested.

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    Yeah and they knew nothing of his affiliations with sketchy gang members, or his issues in college…but once he murdered someone -“That’s it you’re cut”

  13. harrisonhits2 says:
    Oct 24, 2016 10:46 AM
    The Pats made it clear they don’t tolerate serious crimes from their players or staff when the cut Hernandez the day after he was arrested.

    They could have left him on the roster to recover millions in bonus money but didn’t worry about the money, only that they wanted him gone. In case you don’t know, per the cba once you cut a player you can’t chase after him for signing bonus money no matter what he’s done.
    ___________________________________

    They also took care of the job so the NFL didn’t even have to lift a finger. Kick off the property and cut his ass. No waiting for “facts” or conviction. Heck the Ravens never even suspended Lewis??? Then took about a $250k hit by buying back all his jerseys to get them of the street.

  14. Say a woman starts a fight in a bar and strikes a player and he hits her back.

    Does he get banned for life?

    Why stop at NFL employees, anyone in the USA who is convicted of a crime may never work again. If your wife hits you and you hit her back, or a woman starts a fight and you hit her back, you can never work again.

    Sorry, it doesn’t work that way. We have a judicial system in the USA. Josh Brown and Hardy seem like people who deserve jail. Ray Rice does not. You can;t lump them in all the same.

  15. “So to the New England Patriots, females are weak, helpless and unable to take care of themselves? They need to government to protect them from the big, strong men in their lives?”

    Nowhere does Kraft say anything like that. Way to spin what he said into outright lies. You probably have a future as a political spin doctor.

  16. “Actually Hernandez was arrested in the morning and was released before noon the same day.”

    Hernandez getting out on bail doesn’t change the fact he was cut the following day.

  17. Didn’t the Pats sign Corey Dillion who had been arressted for domestic violence when he was a Bengal? No gray area? I think not.

  18. intrafinesse says:

    Say a woman starts a fight in a bar and strikes a player and he hits her back.

    Does he get banned for life?

    Why stop at NFL employees, anyone in the USA who is convicted of a crime may never work again. If your wife hits you and you hit her back, or a woman starts a fight and you hit her back, you can never work again.

    Sorry, it doesn’t work that way. We have a judicial system in the USA. Josh Brown and Hardy seem like people who deserve jail. Ray Rice does not. You can;t lump them in all the same.
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    Well thanks to “Pacman” Jones we know the answer to this question because a woman did start a fight with him in a bar and he retaliated. And the answer was no because he’s still in the league.

  19. True zero tolerance is a tough standard to enforce
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    No its actually much easier than trying to make rules for every person or situation.

  20. The patriots don’t tolerate that stuff. They quickly cut Hernandez even though waiting would have saved money.

    They cut Brandon Spikes after his hit and run.

    They benched Cyrus Jones after he acted out on field. Two weeks now.

    They benched welker after his rex ryan feet comments

    Other teams need to step up too. Some things are more important than football.

    Josh Brown may be receiving help and was a victim as a child. But he still abused his wife for years. In front of the kids. No excuses for it.

  21. The Giants ownership and the NFL could learn a lot from the Patriots on this issue. It’s time for Goodell and Mara to tell us why they don’t care about abuse towards women.

  22. dsigrey says:
    Oct 24, 2016 10:57 AM

    harrisonhits2 says:
    Oct 24, 2016 10:46 AM
    The Pats made it clear they don’t tolerate serious crimes from their players or staff when the cut Hernandez the day after he was arrested.

    They could have left him on the roster to recover millions in bonus money but didn’t worry about the money, only that they wanted him gone. In case you don’t know, per the cba once you cut a player you can’t chase after him for signing bonus money no matter what he’s done.
    ___________________________________

    They also took care of the job so the NFL didn’t even have to lift a finger. Kick off the property and cut his ass. No waiting for “facts” or conviction. Heck the Ravens never even suspended Lewis??? Then took about a $250k hit by buying back all his jerseys to get them of the street.
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    Patriots cut Hernandez (as would any of the other teams) strictly for PR reasons, which far out weighs (dollar wise) the money they lost on his contract. Trust me your team is far from being a Saintly bunch, but if you feel better thinking that…ok

  23. Yeah, yeah, yeah… If they had any class they’d have sacked BB and TB a loooooong time ago. They are and organization that cultivates, then endorses liars and cheaters.

    They are trying to buy what they so badly need, some credibility. And doing it within the shadow of another NFL domestic violence blunder only underscores how shabby this organization is.

    The Patriots make politicians, used car salesmen and ambulance chasing lawyers look good!

  24. cuda1234 says:
    Oct 24, 2016 10:38 AM
    So to the New England Patriots, females are weak, helpless and unable to take care of themselves? They need to government to protect them from the big, strong men in their lives?

    Either they are inferior or equal, you can’t have it both ways. (In spite of what title IX tells us).

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    Congrats on posting the most moronic statement of the day so far.

  25. No grey area on abuse, just lies, cheating, more lying about cheating, paying murderers, falsifying injury reports… can I stop yet? Yea, real classy NE. Theres two words that shouldn’t ever be in the same sentence.

  26. crewchief15 says:
    Oct 24, 2016 10:57 AM
    cut Hernandez the day after he was arrested.

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    Yeah and they knew nothing of his affiliations with sketchy gang members, or his issues in college…but once he murdered someone -“That’s it you’re cut”
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    They cut him and ate his signing bonus, which they didn’t have to do. Some teams build statues for Murderers, right Ray-Ray?

  27. nsawins says:

    Didn’t the Pats sign Corey Dillion who had been arressted for domestic violence when he was a Bengal? No gray area? I think not.

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    Exactly.
    “Holier than thou” Patriots can’t delude everyone into thinking that they’re angels.
    Every team has some incidents in their past that they can’t be proud.
    The Patriots’ list gets longer all the time.

  28. With respect to the Patriots, that Christian Peter thing would have happened, but Myra Kraft shot it down. It’s not as if the football people didn’t actually draft Peter. They did. Myra stepped in and the Patriots renounced the pick. Would that happen today or any time since Myra’s passing in 2011? You would hope so, but who knows who’s calling those types of shots in Foxboro?

  29. Here’s a fun fact. The team that signed Peter the following year is none other than… you guessed it… the New York Giants!

  30. That’s what they say now. But as we know, they claim there are plenty of “gray areas” when it comes to cheating the rules. The Krafts are as two-faced as it comes.

    As for the commenters here, citing to the Patriots cutting a two-time (at least) murder as evidence of their zero tolerance policy is exactly the reason that people think Pats fans live in an alternate reality.

  31. harrisonhits2 says:
    Oct 24, 2016 11:07 AM
    “Actually Hernandez was arrested in the morning and was released before noon the same day.”

    Hernandez getting out on bail doesn’t change the fact he was cut the following day.

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    He was cut the same day. (And he was never out on bail.)

  32. joeflaccoallday says:
    Oct 24, 2016 11:08 AM
    But they applaud cheating scandals and repeated violations of the rules. Lol.

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    There you are! I knew you’d come out of the woodwork!

    You can play joeflaccoallday, but you’ll only get a career QB rating of 84.0.

    Given his salary, his current level of play (resulting in a QB rating of 75.4) is kind of problematic, wouldn’t you say?

  33. ent
    harrisonhits2 says:
    Oct 24, 2016 11:07 AM
    “Actually Hernandez was arrested in the morning and was released before noon the same day.”

    Hernandez getting out on bail doesn’t change the fact he was cut the following day.
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    In truth, it’s not worth defending that issue because they shouldn’t have drafted Hernandez to begin with, not given what happened at University of Florida.

    Bill Parcells actually criticized Myra Kraft’s shooting down of the Peter draft pick, saying the NFL isn’t made up of a bunch of choir boys. He would know as he won two championships with Lawrence Taylor.

    The Patriots did bring in Dillon and William Andrews and the criticism by others is fair.

  34. Worth noting that the selection and subsequent release of Christian Peter was the final nail in the Parcells/Kraft coffin.
    Anyone questioning the Kraft’s sincerity when it comes to DV is serving up some pretty weak stuff.

  35. And yet the hypocrite Kraft had a 24 year old girlfriend by his side less than a week after his wife’s death. What a class act.

  36. >>Well thanks to “Pacman” Jones we know the answer to this question because a woman did start a fight with him in a bar and he retaliated. And the answer was no because he’s still in the league.

    But what about the proposed “Zero tolerance” rule by the OP. Would Jones then get a life time ban?

  37. Guess what team was the first in line to sign Christian Peter once the Pats renounced his draft rights?

    If you said the New York Football Giants, you would be correct. I guess the Mara’s have a history here…..

  38. Perfect organization. Like Aaron Hernandez. He may have had a history with the Latino Kings gang, but we’ll lock him up to an $80MM contract anyway and then cut him after double homicide because it was the hard thing to do. Give me a break.

    And Robert Kraft standing beside Roger Goodell in front of the press after the Ray Rice crap? Hypocrisy abounds. Let’s ignore history because we’re snake bitten over Deflategate.

    Jonathon Kraft’s message is the right one. But please stop with the “high and mighty” crap.

    As a Giants fan, I’m embarrassed and disappointed and completely ashamed of John Mara and the front office.

    I’ve learned I need to stop falsely believing my organization and its leadership is any better than anyone else’s.

    It’s called humility… we all need to try it

  39. joeflaccoallday says:
    Oct 24, 2016 11:08 AM

    But they applaud cheating scandals and repeated violations of the rules. Lol.
    ————————

    I don’t know if you are actually a fan of the Ravens, but if you are, you have absolutely no room to talk about the actions of another team in regards to integrity.

    The Ravens erected a statue honoring a murderer, and tried to cover up the Ray Rice situation. Completely despicable organization.

  40. nyneal says:
    Oct 24, 2016 10:41 AM

    It’s so simple. The NFL should tell the PA they’re instituting a new zero tolerance for:
    1. Abusing women or children.
    2. Being convicted of drug or alcohol abuse (including DUI and DWI’s)
    3. Testing positive for marijuana or PED’s.
    4. Being arrested and convicted of any felony.

    No way the NFL is going to wait for a conviction related to DUI or any other felony. They want an immediate punishment, not a year later.

  41. We all know if a young ascending star player had a problem every team would try and find ” a Grey Area. So any body that comes out with this garbage is asking for trouble. I hate it when somebody comes out talking about another teams ethics when they have not exactly been shall we at least say honest in the past.

  42. cuda1234 says:
    Oct 24, 2016 10:38 AM
    So to the New England Patriots, females are weak, helpless and unable to take care of themselves? They need to government to protect them from the big, strong men in their lives?

    Either they are inferior or equal, you can’t have it both ways. (In spite of what title IX tells us).

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    The number of downvotes this clown is receiving pleases me greatly. Good job team.

  43. I love the Patriot fans talking about they cut Hernandez the day after his murder. Yeah, like there was some gray area there with his car next to the dead body and him all over surveillance videos, lol. You can’t make this stuff up. Not to mention when the Patriots definitely cut him when he was riding around doing drive bys the summer before and shooting people in the face. They had no idea any of that was going on. At first I thought the Pat fans saying yeah, our organization is great were parodies, but then I saw many of you fools really are that stupid.

  44. Myra Kraft had a no-nonsense attitude about this stuff. She didn’t want somebody like Christian Peter around and that was that. She’s gone, but not forgotten by her family.

    I missed the part where Kraft claimed the Patriots organization were saints. They’re doing the best they can, just like most people do.

    Unfortunately, most of the other League owners and management forgot how to behave like normal people do. It’s all about expediency with them. Then they’re always surprised and running around in a tizzy when their machinations catch up with them.

    Guy above who posited a situation of Brady “tuning up” Gisele: stay classy, creep. Other guy who posted about Brady abandoning his pregnant girlfriend. It makes a nice story, but too bad it didn’t happen. The two broke up and she found out she was pregnant shortly afterward. I know, SO much more boring.

  45. dohczeppelin says:
    Oct 24, 2016 12:37 PM
    cuda1234 says:
    Oct 24, 2016 10:38 AM
    So to the New England Patriots, females are weak, helpless and unable to take care of themselves? They need to government to protect them from the big, strong men in their lives?

    Either they are inferior or equal, you can’t have it both ways. (In spite of what title IX tells us).

    ———————–
    How does taking a hard line on domestic violence contribute to the equality discussion in any way?

  46. “I love the Patriot fans talking about they cut Hernandez the day after his murder”

    Right but other teams who’ve had players that committed serious crimes retained that player on the roster, sometimes for years such as the case of Mike Vick, in order to recover signing bonus money.

    The Pats cut him and in doing so tossed away the chance to recover several million dollars. No other team has done that in a similar instance, that’s why its being brought up.

  47. ipdaily69 says:
    Oct 24, 2016 11:49 AM
    Kraft must be forgetting an incident by Julian Edelman in a Boston night club. Tisk tisk

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    I believe you were referring to the woman that claimed he had groped her and wanted money for it but when the video showed he had simply walked by her and never touched her she withdrew the claim. I think it’s you and not Kraft that has failed to remember things.

  48. From Wikipedia:
    Peter was drafted by the New England Patriots in the fifth round of the 1996 NFL Draft. Only a month before the draft, he notched his eighth arrest in seven years, this time for grabbing a woman’s throat in a Kearney, Nebraska bar.[6] The pick set off a firestorm of criticism from the Boston area press, Patriots fans and women’s groups, as well as Myra Kraft, wife of Patriots owner Robert Kraft.[3] After learning more about Peter’s violent history, the Patriots relinquished the rights to Christian only a week after the draft. The team said that Christian’s behavior was “incompatible with our organization’s standards of acceptable conduct.”[7] According to The Boston Globe, Myra Kraft personally demanded that the Patriots cut ties with Peter.[3] It was the first time in NFL history that a drafted player had been waived by a team before the start of training camp.[8]

    As a result of the backlash, Christian was unable to catch on with another NFL team for the 1996 season. The New York Giants signed him in 1997 as a free agent, on condition that he go through counseling for alcohol abuse, attention deficit disorder and anger management.

  49. Here is a note for you brilliant keyboard heroes. When you type murder when you mean murderer, your entire point will be ignored. Just thought I’d pass that along. I figured it needed to be said after the 3rd idiot pulled off the genius move…

  50. Hernandez was cut by the Pat’s immediately upon his arrest. They were done with him. But if he had not wound up sentenced to life in prison there would have been several teams in a bidding war to sign him.

  51. The people who use Hernandez as a negative against the Patriots are asinine. What he did privately was just that, private. None of what the Patriots did with handling Hernandez should be criticized. They gave him the benefit of the doubt, as every team would, while making it clear that if he is in fact involved, his employment would be terminated. He was arrested, and immediately released. I don’t see the problem with their behavior.

    But using that against them would be like saying the Bills are the scum of the earth for employing OJ Simpson. Or the Panthers are terrible for employing Rae Carruth. After all, those teams both should have know that eventually those players were going to commit murder…right? It amazes me the standard that haters put on the Patriots as a way to make them the bad guy, while lowering the standards below the floor for everyone else

  52. You know how you can tell the Patriots run things clean and classy are all the guys that freak out at a story like this and start posting twisted arguments as to otherwise. If you look at all the posts from Patriots critics collectively you can see they are trying mostly to just convince themselves. But their fervor tells that in their hearts they know the article is true.

  53. Dont Vontaze ,
    You mean the benefit of the doubt to a guy who had already shot somebody in the face, which was public record before he murdered somebody? Yeah, some classy organization.

  54. RE LEE says:
    Oct 24, 2016 11:33 AM
    Mr. Kraft just slapped Goodell.

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    Probably should have happened a log time ago. When are the other 27 owners going to stand up and take their league back from The Cabal?

  55. But gun violence and on-field assault is OK

    Just ask AHernandez, ATalib and LBlount

    Like Kraft bringing an 18 year old date to his wife’s funeral

  56. Some rich guy has a young bird on his arm in public, and you bozos make a big deal out of it?

  57. Rob. O says:
    Oct 24, 2016 12:02 PM
    They drafted a guy who was known to have shot his friend in the eye. Am I missing something here?

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    Yes you are. Bradley did report being shot in the eye down in Florida but refused to divulge who had done it until after Hernandez was arrested up in Massachusetts. And also the drive by shooting in 2012 was also unsolved until after the investigation of the Odin Lloyd murder pointed that way. There is even another drive by that happened in Florida during his college days that they can’t connect Hernandez to other than that he roughly fits the description (“large possibly Hispanic male with tattoos”). The point is, none of this was public record or known by anyone until after Hernandez was arrested and they gathered evidence that allowed them to make connections to other things. It’s not like he and his freinds walked around talking about their world.

  58. FoozieGrooler says:
    Oct 24, 2016 11:27 AM

    ..but they’re perfectly OK with their star QB dumping a pregnant girlfriend for another woman.

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    Spreading that kind of gossip when it’s not true is not a good look for the gossiper. Especially when 5 minutes of research online would let you find out that its not true:

    “Brady and Moynahan started dating in 2004 before calling it quits in December of 2006.

    Shortly after the breakup, Brady started dating Bundchen. Then in February 2007, Moynahan announced she was more than three-months pregnant with both her and Brady’s first child.”

    You may also want to consider that the people that you are publically gossiping about are actually real people and that’s not very nice. Even worse that your gossip is false.

  59. Kraft should emulate his daddy’s coach and just let your actions do the talking when the issue inevitably arises.

    Convey the message to the team in no uncertain terms in private and back it up.

    By grandstanding in public you just put the organization on a slippery slope such that it can not fairly investigate claims before acting in response to public pressure. Perception of self-rightousness and hypocrisy doesn’t go down well and puts you on a short leash.

  60. Yes. Murder and cheating are the only “gray areas” in New England.

  61. crewchief15 says:
    Oct 24, 2016 11:25 AM
    dsigrey says:
    Oct 24, 2016 10:57 AM

    harrisonhits2 says:
    Oct 24, 2016 10:46 AM
    The Pats made it clear they don’t tolerate serious crimes from their players or staff when the cut Hernandez the day after he was arrested.

    They could have left him on the roster to recover millions in bonus money but didn’t worry about the money, only that they wanted him gone. In case you don’t know, per the cba once you cut a player you can’t chase after him for signing bonus money no matter what he’s done.
    ___________________________________

    They also took care of the job so the NFL didn’t even have to lift a finger. Kick off the property and cut his ass. No waiting for “facts” or conviction. Heck the Ravens never even suspended Lewis??? Then took about a $250k hit by buying back all his jerseys to get them of the street.
    —————-
    Patriots cut Hernandez (as would any of the other teams) strictly for PR reasons, which far out weighs (dollar wise) the money they lost on his contract. Trust me your team is far from being a Saintly bunch, but if you feel better thinking that…ok

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    I suppose unless we were in the room we will never know. But we do know that when the cops announced they had evidence connecting (they still didn’t know he had done it, just that he was connected) Hernandez to the murder (they took custody of him before saying anything, that’s standard police procedure) the Patriots announced they had cut him 90 minutes later. You are assuming that when advised that a player had just been arrested in connection to a murder Kraft’s first thought was ‘OMG the PR’ but it was more likely ‘I don’t want stuff like that near my team’. I don’t think any owner in the league would have thought any different than Kraft if given that info on one of his players. Jerry Jones has a rep of tolerating legally questionable behavior but I bet even he would have been equally fast to cut ties.

  62. I don’t give credit for talk. Christian Peter was a 5th round pick, hardly someone that really hurt to cut. And don’t give me Hernandez, that was a freaking murder. Of course you cut him. When a top player or coach (Brady, Gronk, Belichek etc) does it then the rubber meets the road & we’ll see if they stand by it. Cutting a 5th round pick or some other scrub is easy, cutting a franchise player or coach isn’t.

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