Aqib Talib: Trevor Siemian is better and cheaper than Brock Osweiler

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Broncos cornerback Aqib Talib praised General Manager John Elway on Monday night for making the right decision at quarterback.

Talib said after the broncos beat the Texans that it’s clear that Trevor Siemian is a better quarterback than Brock Osweiler, who left Denver for Houston this offseason. And Talib noted that the Texans gave Osweiler a four-year, $72 million contract, while Siemian is playing on a four-year, $2.3 million contract.

“If you look at it overall, [Elway] saved a bunch of money. And Trev is a great quarterback, man. He’s better than Brock in my eyes. So it’s a win-win situation,” Talib told USA Today.

Of course, Elway wasn’t exactly perfect on the quarterback front: He did offer Osweiler a contract this offseason, reportedly for four years and $64 million. And Elway also traded for Mark Sanchez with the expectation that Sanchez would beat out Siemian for the starting job. That didn’t work out, and Sanchez was released before the start of the regular season.

Still, it’s clear that the Broncos ultimately got it right at quarterback: Anyone would rather have Siemian for $600,000 a year than Osweiler for $18 million a year. Talib is probably right that Siemian is better than Osweiler, and he’s certainly right that Osweiler shouldn’t be making 30 times as much money as Siemian. The Texans are probably asking themselves right now why they were willing to pay Osweiler more than Elway, the G.M. who knew him best, was willing to pay.

88 responses to “Aqib Talib: Trevor Siemian is better and cheaper than Brock Osweiler

  1. “It starts with me. I need to play better. I need to find a way to play better. There’s nobody who’s going to examine this game tape harder than myself. We will find a way to clean this up.

    “We’re just not getting enough completions. Without a doubt, it’s something that needs to be cleaned up. We need to find a way offensively to move the ball and score touchdowns and it starts with me.”
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    And that spiel of cliches is a flashback to Brock’s days here at ASU. Nobody is more surprised than the state of AZ that Brock found a job in the NFL, much less a multi-million dollar job.

  2. The last smart QB decision the Texans made was trading for Schaub. That aside, when are NFL owners going to realize that the Belichick coaching tree does not bear fruit? None of the former assistants he’s sent out have amounted to anything as head coaches. O’Brien is simply the latest flop.

  3. I don’t understand why they hate this guy so much. He did what they all do. He took the money just like every other player does.

  4. Miami fans would also like to take this time to thank Rick Smith for overpaying Lamar Miller as well.

    Miller – 136 rushes – 581 – 1td – 7 games – $6.5 mill a year

    Ajayi – 84 rushes – 535 – 5td – 6 games – $259k a year

  5. Average NFL fans are pretty dumb sometimes.

    its all about offensive line. And defensive line, for that matter.

    The Texans offensive line is doo doo right now. Injured. Bombed out and depleted. Done. And they just faced the best D line in the league, perhaps.

    Professional football is won in the trenches. You can have all the skill talent in the world, BUT IF YOU CAN”T RUN BLOCK AND CAN”T PROTECT YOUR QB, IT DOESN”T MATTER.

    As a Ravens fan, i’m experiencing this 1st hand. We miss Osemele, Yanda is hurt / older. Our rookie left tackle missed 3 games. Our rookie LG missed 2 games.

    And thats how the wheels fell off.

    Siemen is good because the Broncos have a good o-line and a good system installed by Kubiak. I might be able to QB in that system.

  6. The Texans are going to be regretting that decision for a long time. Hopefully other teams ( hint : Redskins ) learn from their mistake and dont pay elite money to an average at best QB.

  7. kemp13 says:
    Oct 25, 2016 8:59 AM
    The last smart QB decision the Texans made was trading for Schaub. That aside, when are NFL owners going to realize that the Belichick coaching tree does not bear fruit? None of the former assistants he’s sent out have amounted to anything as head coaches. O’Brien is simply the latest flop.
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    How you can call O’Brien a flop with what he has been given to work with. He made chicken salad out of chicken bleep at PSU and somehow had a winning record with Hoyer, Mallett, Yates and Weeden as QB’s. Rick Smith signed Osweiler without O’Brien so much as speaking with him. It’s hard to realistically fault O’Brien on that, Smith on the other hand…

  8. And Malcolm Butler is better and cheaper than Aquib Talib. Players that attack other players for leaving a team in free agency, when they did it themselves, must think the own stock in the team.

  9. flaccotoboldin says:
    Oct 25, 2016 9:14 AM
    Average NFL fans are pretty dumb sometimes.

    Siemen is good because the Broncos have a good o-line and a good system installed by Kubiak. I might be able to QB in that system.
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    What? The Broncos O-Line is terrible.

  10. The last I looked O’Brian’s team was leading its division despite losing the best defensive player in the league this year and possibly the best running back in the NFL in 2015 to injury. One of the most tedious aspects of PFT are the posters that want to twist facts to fit their agenda. One thing about the NFL, as Bill Parcells put so well, you are what your record says you are and Belichick’s record stands for itself. Who cares about his “coaching tree”?

  11. flaccotoboldin says:
    Oct 25, 2016 9:14 AM
    Average NFL fans are pretty dumb sometimes.

    Siemen is good because the Broncos have a good o-line and a good system installed by Kubiak. I might be able to QB in that system.
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    So your blaming the 2 ridiculous fumbles by Brock on the o-line? Did you watch the game, or the whole season for that matter? Even when he has time he’s missing receivers badly.

  12. finsphan says:
    Oct 25, 2016 9:04 AM
    Miami fans would also like to take this time to thank Rick Smith for overpaying Lamar Miller as well.

    Miller – 136 rushes – 581 – 1td – 7 games – $6.5 mill a year

    Ajayi – 84 rushes – 535 – 5td – 6 games – $259k a year
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    Ajayi had 14 yds vs the Patriots, 28 vs the Browns, 33 vs Bengals, 42 vs the Titans. He was averaging less than 3.5 yards per carry until he faced 2 of the worst run defenses in the league.

    Don’t get too excited yet. All Miami running backs bust or leave town anyway.

  13. Aqib… just another “drama queen” on the third best team in the AFC West. Players like him are the reason why NFL ratings are down…..

  14. Poor oline play is just an old excuse from fans that don’t know what they are talking about.

    Quite often the AFC and NFC championships feature arguably 4 of the worst olines in the NFL.

    Oh yeah and Houston is still a first place team. It is the AFC South but nobody was putting *** next to the AFC South when Peyton was winning the South all those years.

  15. We must not be watching the same game, jmkratt

    how many rush yards did the Broncos have yesterday?

    How many points did they score?

    Do you think its because Siemens is Peyton Manning?

  16. Money should really have nothing to do with it.
    Denver is 4-2
    NO is 2-4
    By your logic you are saying that Simian is a better option than Brees. Ludicrous. Simian is ok at best, Brees is a hall of famer. Not saying anything about Ozz because everyone and their brother know he isn’t worth what Texas paid him, just commenting on your logic in this article

  17. Elway learned from the Seahawks, Defense wins championships. Seahawks beat Manning and would have beat Brady except for a slew of in game injuries on defense. Anybody want to dispute the Broncos won last SB with defense?

  18. Miami fans would also like to take this time to thank Rick Smith for overpaying Lamar Miller as well.

    Miller – 136 rushes – 581 – 1td – 7 games – $6.5 mill a year

    Ajayi – 84 rushes – 535 – 5td – 6 games – $259k a year

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    Yep, let’s bash the guy who was having an average of 7.5 YPC against one of the best defenses in the NFL. Texans were 3 and 3 in one instance and what O’Brien the genius did? Make Brock throw the ball two yards to Fuller and then punt. Another instance, Texans were 1 and 10 and what they did? Threw an incomplete 45 pass attempt to Hopkins. Miller cannot mask the mediocre coaching staff in Houston.

  19. txnative65 says:
    Oct 25, 2016 10:03 AM
    Elway learned from the Seahawks, Defense wins championships. Seahawks beat Manning and would have beat Brady except for a slew of in game injuries on defense.
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    Elway didn’t get his own rings until he had a solid D and running game, guessing that lesson might have been in his memory. Defense has been winning championships since the dawn of sports, the Seahawks hardly invented the concept, how very 12 to think so.

    Injuries are part of the game, if’s and buts not so much.

  20. Osweiller doesn’t get the excuse of a poor o-line at this point. Denver got maybe one sack on him during the game and throughout the course of this season even when not under pressure he has repeatedly tried to force the ball to Hopkins. There is still time throughout the course of this year for him to attempt to get better, but the Texans are doing what they always do, which is just enough to make the playoffs and leave. Each year they think they’re superbowl caliber and in reality they are barely tier two. Rick Smith needs to go.

  21. It’s hard to understand why the Bronco’s feel the need to keep dumping on Brock Osweiler.

    Everyone has dumped on him from Elway to the lowest form of life, Aqib Talib.

  22. O Brien has to go. He’s a college coach that’s it. It’s not Brock,it’s the way he has him playing. The play calling is trash,and these 4 and 5 yards passing routes are ridiculous. This guy was 5-2 on a Super Bowl team last year and looked much more polished than he does now. Denver came back from 17 down I think last year against New England, he played his tail off. Hopkins has gone in the toilet his numbers are way down,9 yards a a catch I think.This offense,the way they play and the play calling is horrible.

  23. vikingsdefineaverage says:
    Oct 25, 2016 9:49 AM
    dstroi says:
    Oct 25, 2016 9:19 AM
    Did Talib get suspended yet for shooting himself in the leg? How come we haven’t heard anything regarding this issue as of late?
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    NFL hasn’t seemed concerned about this at all, and the media doesn’t seem to care about covering it because they can talk about 32nd ranked QBs kneeling instead which doesn’t impact the game on the filed at all. Shooting himself should result in a suspension like Plaxico regardless of the laws in the state of Texas.

    This is under personal conduct policy, not state law, correct?
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    I agree with everything you stated. I just don’t understand how certain infractions are handled for different players in the league. Josh Brown gets a 1 game suspension for mentally and physically abusing is now ex-wife. Only under scrutiny is this being fully investigated now. Ray Rice fiasco was completely botched and his career is non-existent. Brady gets 4 games for a puff of air out of a football but other teams get a slap on the wrist for heating footballs, stickum etc on the sidelines and Talib’s case is equivalent to the sound of crickets at the moment. Can Goodell be anymore subjective to fit his own narrative to how things play out? The NFL is getting confusing lol

  24. patsxsaintsfan says:
    Oct 25, 2016 9:01 AM
    He is cheaper this year but he is a free agent next year if I’m not mistaken and will get more money than Brock

    You’re right. You’re mistaken.

  25. glac1 says:
    Oct 25, 2016 9:48 AM
    Aqib… just another “drama queen” on the third best team in the AFC West. Players like him are the reason why NFL ratings are down…..
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    3rd best?
    the Charger have a worse record but they still beat the donkeys. i would say the donks are the basement at this point.

  26. btw – nice BS fumble call last night. way to drive the spike in WWNFL. donkeys were probably going to win anyway, but you just had to make sure of it with that bs call along with the complete and utter mugging aquib “i shoot myself and dont get suspended” talib got away with.

  27. tigerlilac says:
    Oct 25, 2016 9:29 AM
    And Malcolm Butler is better and cheaper than Aquib Talib. Players that attack other players for leaving a team in free agency, when they did it themselves, must think the own stock in the team.

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    Even as a Pats fan, I might not go quite that far. But I would say that he’s waaayyyy cheaper, almost as good, and not nearly as much of a liability to himself or his team

  28. dstroi says:
    Oct 25, 2016 9:19 AM
    Did Talib get suspended yet for shooting himself in the leg? How come we haven’t heard anything regarding this issue as of late?
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    Goodell spun his wheel of fortune and it landed on “ignore”.

  29. nsawins says:
    Oct 25, 2016 11:07 AM
    Donkeys better hope they get home field again. They will get that azz STOMPED in Foxboro this January.

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    You do realize the SB was not played in Denver and they still won correct? I don’t believe these Broncos will be intimated coming to Foxboro.

  30. Listening to Osweiler’s press conference I noticed how he praised the Broncos coaching stuff by calling the Broncos a well coached team. He didn’t praise his own coaches which says a lot.

  31. Hindsight is 20/20 but a weird beginning when neither the team nor player felt the need for a face-to-face before the contract was signed. Texans were desperate for somebody–anybody–to be the guy; Osweiler would have played anywhere willing to pay more than the Broncos.

    End result is nobody being on the same page. And most alarming is Hopkins was the one guy he did talk to before hand and yet they still haven’t clicked. Hoyer, Keenum, etc. were all getting Hopkins the ball but Brock can’t.

  32. Talib is essentially correct: after losing the BO sweepstakes, Denver ultimately replaced him with a younger & cheaper guy that is leading their offense more efficiently than either BO or Manning did last season (while Manning played poorly, there’s no replacing his experience/leadership).

    As for Houston, its obvious they overpaid for a guy within the division that isn’t familiar with the Erhardt-Perkins offense after getting inconsistent play from a revolving door of ex-Brady backups that are well-versed in said system. Despite a limited sample size Garoppolo was the NFL’s highest rated passer until Brady’s return and is clearly superior to Hoyer and Mallett (and even Cassel), and Houston could and should go after him.

    The elephant in the war room is BO’s contract: while only $37 million of it is guaranteed (none of it after 2017), his 2017 base salary ($16 million) is fully-guaranteed. So Houston could either risk letting 2017 play out with BO and without trading for Jimmy G – who’ll hit FA in 2018 assuming he’s not dealt to some other team or franchized by the Pats – or cut BO (who won’t accept a restructure/pay cut), eat the $16 million cap hit and trade for Jimmy G.

    One way or the other the Pats are getting a high round pick for Garoppolo, and the destination that makes the most sense is Houston.

  33. rabbi187 says:
    Oct 25, 2016 10:03 AM
    Cheaper yes, but they both suck.
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    First completely sane comment I have read so far. Fanned x 1000

    Siemian passes for just over 150 yards and he’s freaking Joe Montana…??!! SMH

  34. The best medicine for Osweiler is the Lions pass defense that is coming to town next week. If he doesn’t excel against the Lions, he really sucks.

  35. nsawins says:
    Oct 25, 2016 11:07 AM
    Donkeys better hope they get home field again. They will get that azz STOMPED in Foxboro this January.
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    Such a hilarious comment and you don’t even get why. So you’re saying the Patriots better get home field advantage because they can’t win in Denver.

  36. Brock’s problem is most of his throws are short, and he tries to rifle the ball in there. Its resulting in short gains and batted balls by d-linemen.

    He’s more athletic than Tom Brady (READ, ATHLETIC, NOT BETTER). Why Houston is making him sit in the pocket is beyond me. The offense needs to adapt to him, now the other way around. He cant be Tom Brady in Houston.

    Brock is talented, they are just trying to force an offense on him, and it takes time. Look at the Broncos last year, you need to adapt to what your QB can do and Houston is not doing that.

  37. Wow. Deny, deflect and ignore. If you want to blame your embarrising loss on Talib shooting himself and not the horrible play of your $72M QB, be my guest. BTW, no gun laws were violated by Talib’s idiotic, immature behavior and the investigation has been closed. This is America where you have the right to be stupid! So tell me, is Brocky stI’ll having nightmares about Talib? Number 17 got manhandled by hI’m and you know it. Stay delisional, and stupid!

  38. I think Brock still has a chance to be a good QB, just gotta give him some time. What were the Texans going to do? They had nobody at QB and refused to draft one in the last 3 years, so they painted themselves into a corner.

  39. The last smart QB decision the Texans made was trading for Schaub. That aside, when are NFL owners going to realize that the Belichick coaching tree does not bear fruit? None of the former assistants he’s sent out have amounted to anything as head coaches. O’Brien is simply the latest flop.

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    That’s because he won’t share anything with them.

  40. Brock looked a little delusional out there like he thought he is better than what he is. Brock, wake up and please realize you’re overrated and it showed last night like it has all year long. So glad he went to a team where he thought he would be more successful. He did Denver a favor. He is clearly delusional.

  41. bigbroncomama says:
    Oct 25, 2016 1:26 PM
    Wow. Deny, deflect and ignore. If you want to blame your embarrising loss on Talib shooting himself and not the horrible play of your $72M QB, be my guest. BTW, no gun laws were violated by Talib’s idiotic, immature behavior and the investigation has been closed. This is America where you have the right to be stupid! So tell me, is Brocky stI’ll having nightmares about Talib? Number 17 got manhandled by hI’m and you know it. Stay delisional, and stupid!
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    I think you’re missing the point where we ask about Talib’s hush hush case on shooting himself in the leg. If anything, the league is deflecting. Tell me, what happened when Plaxico Burress mirrored the same actions that Aqib did with regards to discharging a firearm in public? What was the difference between the two cases where one gets a suspension and the other simply does not? I don’t see the difference. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander correct?

  42. People are so easily manipulated by the media. No one in Denver complained about Osweiler leaving, beyond surprise. It’s a made up media story that Broncos players’ feelings were hurt and they wanted revenge beyond what’s normal when facing a former team. TJ Ward and Von and others have only positive things to say. The most you get is Talib saying Siemian is better and cheaper, which is nothing.

    We groomed Osweiler and he left for more than we were willing to pay. Many said we deserved it because of how we benched him ( I guess it was his feelings that were hurt). But seeing shat you see now, does anyone still think Denver beats Pittsburgh, New England, and Carolina for the championship with Osweiler? I don’t think so. He was streaky last year and he’s streaky now (see last week). Manning, for all of his rickety arm and banged up ribs and hip and ankle, was a steady force who read defenses like nobody else and always got us in the right play and blocking. We don’t win it all without that. Brock still has some growing to do. Siemian too for that matter. Trevor only has 6 games under his belt and will continue to get better. Not so sure about Oz though.

  43. Talib’s one loose gun alright. But the Texans are 4-3, only 1 win less than the Broncos and without that Bronco D or even JJ. How would those records look if Siemian and Osweiler had been on the other’s team? – My guess is Texans 3-4 and Broncos 6-1.

  44. The gun laws were much more strict in the state Plaxico shot himself.

    And hey, I don’t think too many people here in Denver begrudge Brock for leaving. I dont. He got $7M more guaranteed, the keys to city of Houston and the Texans, and, more importantly, a new start. Sorry his feelings were hurt when he got benched against the Chargers, but a healthy Manning came in, sparked the offense in ways Brock couldnt, which lead to critical HFA, and the rest is history. I hope Brock works out for you. Good luck!

  45. streetyson says:
    Oct 25, 2016 2:08 PM
    Talib’s one loose gun alright. But the Texans are 4-3, only 1 win less than the Broncos and without that Bronco D or even JJ. How would those records look if Siemian and Osweiler had been on the other’s team? – My guess is Texans 3-4 and Broncos 6-1.
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    Fair enough. If Oz had signed with us, we would have embraced him. And he probably would have done well continuing with the same team. But we would have a different team. We wouldn’t have had the money to bring back CJ or maybe Marshall or O-lineman. Who knows? But you’re talking like it’s a one-to-one excahange. Would we trade Osweiler for CJ Anderson, Marshall, Stephenson, Okung, Paxton Lynch and extending Sanders and Miller? Yes, I think so.

  46. Bad coaching in that game. When you are down two scores late you have to sling it. Designed roll outs and deep balls into double coverage. Way too many safe throws below the first down marker.

    Houston didn’t even try to win!

  47. sorry but the broncos offense has yet to play a good defense. Osweiller just faced denver, minnesota, and new england on the road. Those are three of the 4 best defenses in the league.

    Osweiller has faced the toughest test. Simian has not come close to. to me, it is an unfair judgement. we’ll see how simian does now that the broncos schedule starts to get tougher.

  48. bigbroncomama says:
    Oct 25, 2016 2:34 PM
    The gun laws were much more strict in the state Plaxico shot himself.

    And hey, I don’t think too many people here in Denver begrudge Brock for leaving. I dont. He got $7M more guaranteed, the keys to city of Houston and the Texans, and, more importantly, a new start. Sorry his feelings were hurt when he got benched against the Chargers, but a healthy Manning came in, sparked the offense in ways Brock couldnt, which lead to critical HFA, and the rest is history. I hope Brock works out for you. Good luck!
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    I’ll give you that the laws are more strict for Burress vs Talib regarding state regulations, but does that mean the NFL gives him a pass as well? If so, they shouldn’t have suspended Burress.

  49. For a fanbase that didn’t care about Osweiler, Bronco fans don’t seem to be able to stop talking about him.

  50. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    Oct 25, 2016 11:29 AM
    nsawins says:
    Oct 25, 2016 11:07 AM
    Donkeys better hope they get home field again. They will get that azz STOMPED in Foxboro this January.

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    You do realize the SB was not played in Denver and they still won correct? I don’t believe these Broncos will be intimated coming to Foxboro
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    Houston absolutely stinks. It was an embarrassment to Denver that Houston were even in the game at all for a stretch.

    As for the Patriots, we’ll find out when they play. No reason to speculate. Denver needs to worry about winning the division first though. Their division is probably the best over all in the AFC and they have 2 losses and a rookie QB.

  51. Bradley Roby is better and cheaper than Talib. Guys like Talib, Burfict, Pacman Jones, etc., probably do more harm than good. I love the Broncos, and the job Elway has done putting the team together, but I would unload Talib in a heartbeat. You can win with good players that are also good guys, and the Broncos have plenty of them.

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