Devin McCourty: Jamie Collins trade is “shocking”

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At least one Patriots player can’t make sense of Bill Belichick’s decision to trade linebacker Jamie Collins.

Patriots safety Devin McCourty said today that he couldn’t believe it when he learned that Collins had been traded to the Browns.

“Jamie is arguably our best defensive player,” McCourty told CSNNE.com. “When you get a guy like Jamie who was here for four years on the team, a very productive player, to lose him is a bit shocking to everybody on the team.”

Belichick has a good track record for knowing when it’s time to bid farewell to a veteran player. But that doesn’t mean the other players in the locker room have to like it.

92 responses to “Devin McCourty: Jamie Collins trade is “shocking”

  1. Collins should’ve stopped freelancing so much.

    “Do your job” is the Patriot mantra. Those who don’t do their job end up working in football purgatory, like Buffalo (Brandon Spikes) or Cleveland (Collins).

  2. How could McCourty say such a thing? I’ve been reading Patriots fans’ comments all day and it’s obvious that Collins was a horrible player, a liability even. McCourty doesn’t know what he’s talking about — he’s just a Patriots hater.

    Also, as pointed out in the article, Belichick always knows when it’s time to cut bait with a player. Just like he did with Chandler Jones, who has more sacks than any player on the Patriots roster this year. The Patriots’ pass rush is doing just fine without these him this year — they’re ranked a respectable 25th in the league, tied with the great heavyweight defenses of Jacksonville and San Francisco.

  3. Hightower’s the best player on NE’s D. And Belichick must really like what he sees in Elandon Roberts.

  4. Also, as pointed out in the article, Belichick always knows when it’s time to cut bait with a player. Just like he did with Chandler Jones, who has more sacks than any player on the Patriots roster this year. The Patriots’ pass rush is doing just fine without these him this year — they’re ranked a respectable 25th in the league, tied with the great heavyweight defenses of Jacksonville and

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    Right. And now they are 7-1…and have given up less points than any other team who’s played 8 games. But they sure do miss Chandler!

  5. One of the fallout’s from this is a subtle, if unintended message to Mingo and Van Noy…..do what the coaches tell you to do, and you’ll be successful. If not, you too can go back to Cleveland and Detroit.

  6. stealthjunk says:
    Oct 31, 2016 7:09 PM

    Also, as pointed out in the article, Belichick always knows when it’s time to cut bait with a player. Just like he did with Chandler Jones, who has more sacks than any player on the Patriots roster this year. The Patriots’ pass rush is doing just fine without these him this year — they’re ranked a respectable 25th in the league, tied with the great heavyweight defenses of Jacksonville and San Francisco.
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    Let’s see, the Patriots are 7-1, and the Cardinals are 3-4-1.

    As a great coach once said, “stats are for losers”.

    Oh yeah, that great coach was Belichick.

  7. If Collins was really out there doing his own thing, why is anyone surprised that Bill bid him adieu?

  8. @stealth junk

    Just so you know, the Patriots have given up the least points of any team that has played 8 games, including the Broncos. And most of the teams that have played only 7 games.

    And points is what wins/loses games.

  9. Defense hasn’t been playing up to standard, Belichick is pissed and sending a clear message. It’s meant to be shocking and light a fire in the D.

    He knows they can’t give up the third and longs they often have this season and win in the playoffs or Super Bowl.

  10. hiddenpond says:
    Oct 31, 2016 7:12 PM
    except the Pats are 7-1 so they seem to be ok without Jones

    * * *

    And they got a day one starter at LG.

  11. stealthjunk says:
    Oct 31, 2016 7:09 PM
    The Patriots’ pass rush is doing just fine without these him this year — they’re ranked a respectable 25th in the league, tied with the great heavyweight defenses of Jacksonville and San Francisco.
    ==============

    Sitting in the pole position at the halfway point and 3rd in the only defensive stat that matters, points allowed. Belichick gets cut slack here for good reason. But please whine on.

  12. Expounding on Stealthjunk’s astute assessment, Patriots are in last place with the worst record in the AFC at a dismal 7-1, the worst QB in the league and the worst owner, worst run franchise.

    Wait, it must be opposite day.

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    stealthjunk says:
    Oct 31, 2016 7:09 PM
    How could McCourty say such a thing? I’ve been reading Patriots fans’ comments all day and it’s obvious that Collins was a horrible player, a liability even. McCourty doesn’t know what he’s talking about — he’s just a Patriots hater.

    Also, as pointed out in the article, Belichick always knows when it’s time to cut bait with a player. Just like he did with Chandler Jones, who has more sacks than any player on the Patriots roster this year. The Patriots’ pass rush is doing just fine without these him this year — they’re ranked a respectable 25th in the league, tied with the great heavyweight defenses of Jacksonville and San Francisco.

  13. Unlike most players who are about to decline when N.E moves on, Collins is still very young.
    He must have been incredibly infuriating for Belichick to essentially give him away for nothing.
    They would have got the same 3rd round compensatory pick by keeping him the rest of the season and then letting him walk.
    Collins wasn’t playing any better than the backups, so I get that.
    But as talented as he is, he can turn a game around when he puts his mind to it.
    Belichick must think Collins would have been the type to shut it down after the big contract.
    So buh bye to him. Pats got much better return on Chandler Jones.

  14. Collins was in on 81% of the defensive snaps this year. Who will pick up that load? Elandon Roberts is playing more. Maybe we see Mingo on the field? Would Van Noy be ready? Shea McClellin? Will another trade happen before Tuesday night? Inquiring minds want to know….

  15. Patriots organization has no loyalty. No Super Bowl wins in 12 years (sorry wish there was a wrapped gift.

  16. 345snarkavenue says:

    @stealth junk

    Just so you know, the Patriots have given up the least points of any team that has played 8 games, including the Broncos.
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    Not hard to do when you have a cupcake AFC East schedule every year.

  17. Wrapped gift?

    Patriots were ahead, Seahawks needed to score to take the lead. They failed. It’s not like the Seahawks gave the Patriots points.

    Patriots had the lead, they kept it, and wonot.

    It’s really that simple.

  18. I keep wondering if it could be that the Patriots know that Collins will fail his physical for the Browns and get sent right back. Then the Pats could use that as leverage in negotiations. A way of letting him know that they are in charge. They know his medical history more than anyone.

  19. “This move could tear apart a tight knit team like the game after Malloy was traded they got smoked by the bills 31-0”

    How did that season end?

    If you don’t remember, the year was 2003. And Brady got his second ring.

  20. I urge Patriot fans to not put any trust in Mike Lombardi and any statements he makes. He is a total and complete tool. Many years of horrible drafting have left the Browns with little or no core leadership players in the prime 3-7 or so year window. Any team needs this core group if they are to have any success. In Browns minds they just picked one up for a low risk high reward price. They have plenty of cap space to take a swing at a pro bowl player even if they miss. For the players on an 0-8 team, it’s tell them we have not written this year off. From a Browns perspective it’s a great move. Maybe Collins becomes the heart and soul of a defense with both talent and extreme youth.

  21. nufcedmcgreevey says:
    Oct 31, 2016 7:26 PM
    This move could tear apart a tight knit team like the game after Malloy was traded they got smoked by the bills 31-0
    ________________________________________

    Pats won the Superbowl that year.

  22. pcasten says:
    Oct 31, 2016 7:25 PM
    Also, as pointed out in the article, Belichick always knows when it’s time to cut bait with a player. Just like he did with Chandler Jones, who has more sacks than any player on the Patriots roster this year. The Patriots’ pass rush is doing just fine without these him this year — they’re ranked a respectable 25th in the league, tied with the great heavyweight defenses of Jacksonville and

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    Right. And now they are 7-1…and have given up less points than any other team who’s played 8 games. But they sure do miss Chandler!
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    If they kept Jones they would be 8-0

  23. When you have Tom Brady, you can do anything and still look smart. When you don’t have Tom Brady, you get shutout by Buffalo.

  24. funshipm174 says:
    Oct 31, 2016 7:38 PM

    Patriots organization has no loyalty. No Super Bowl wins in 12 years (sorry wish there was a wrapped gift.
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    Was Super Bowl XLIX that long ago? Seems like it has only been a couple of years.

  25. Yikes….patriots are on a bye and seattles D is gassed from being on field 2/3 of last 135 minutes of play. It could be their first time being boat raced in the Wilson era. BTW, Wilson has been dressed up like Tim Tebow so far this season.

  26. Makes no sense to do this when you’re preparing for a Super Bowl run. I’d rather have better odds winning it all this year and lose Collins in free agency than lessen my chances for a third or fourth round pick. Belichick may be one of the all time greats, but he’s not perfect like all of you homers think.

  27. Interestingly enough, Collins was not playing that well this year. Watching him look like a rag doll against the Bills was astonishing. My guess is he was reading his press clippings and asking for Von Miller money….that approach doesn’t work in New England. BB was right on almost every player he let go….Seymour had some good years in Oakland but Milloy, Mankins, were pretty much on the downslide…If you can replace Collins at 1’50th of the cost with little or no downside, is that smart. In the salary cap era, no-one manages the roster better than BB. Mingo and Rowe were both high picks he got for nothing…let’s see what happens. Thuney could be all pro in a year or two…it’s amazing how successful they are. If I could pick a weakness his drafting of DB’s over the years has been horrible so he’s not perfect.

  28. nufcedmcgreevey says:
    Oct 31, 2016 7:26 PM
    This move could tear apart a tight knit team like the game after Malloy was traded they got smoked by the bills 31-0
    ——
    What you say is true.

    I’ll add they win the SB that year though so…..

  29. What Devin McCourty says in public and what he truly believes might be totally different. All of the players knew that Matt Patricia blew up at Collins yesterday and Collins made some boneheaded plays. He wanted Von Miller money, but he’s no Von Miller. Collins has so much raw talent and he could take over games. It’s too bad this couldn’t have been worked out, but you can’t pay everybody.

  30. pcasten says:

    Right. And now they are 7-1…and have given up less points than any other team who’s played 8 games. But they sure do miss Chandler!
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    Yeah, I can tell by that lousy 7-1 record 😉

  31. I’m ok with it….
    The Pats may REALLYlike next years draft & want ammo to move around in the draft…. Maybe Collins was being a cancer toward the other free agents coming up next year…maybe he wanted way more than the Pats would give & the writing was on the wall…. Reality is, nobody outside of Gillette knows the reasoning & we as fans will have to trust in BB & his reasonings for the trade….
    I do know the Elandon Roberts is playing unreal & maybe Bill just wants him to get more experience in the D as well as incorporating Mingo & Van Noy into the rotation….
    Bill looks at big picture & long term when making the moves he makes so I have no doubt he’s doing what he feels is best for the TEAM….
    Lot of free agents to work with this year & next off season & only so much money to go around due to CAP….
    I’m excited to see if any further moves are made!!!
    Man I absolutely LOVE being a Pats fan & constantly being surprised by the moves this organization makes!!!!
    Go Pats!!!!

  32. This move could tear apart a tight knit team like the game after Malloy was traded they got smoked by the bills 31-

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    And they won the super bowl that season, losing just once more after the Buffalo loss.

  33. duffelbagsports says:
    Oct 31, 2016 8:01 PM

    If they kept Jones they would be 8-0
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    Obviously. Jones would have played QB against Buffalo in the first meeting and led the Patriots to a 10 point win.

  34. tonebones says:
    Oct 31, 2016 8:02 PM
    When you have Tom Brady, you can do anything and still look smart. When you don’t have Tom Brady, you get shutout by Buffalo.

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    Then you must tell us who was the impostor who played QB in the 2003 season opener against the Bills, threw four picks, and the Patriots lost 0-31.

  35. Collins was a stud. He had games this year where he disappeared, but still he was one of the pats best defensive players.

    He must have been complaining about his contract and rumor has it he wanted von miller money, which is a bit absurd. But still as a pats fan this is confusing. I can only think he became a distraction in the locker room.

  36. My guess is Collins is playing hurt. Sorry, but that was some dirty business. Jamie gave his all and at the very least deserved to finish the season here. JMHO.

  37. No one is going to say Collins wasn’t the most physically gifted player on the defense maybe team, but there were other factors. Maybe all of these are correct maybe not. But each is enough of a point to consider…
    1) Wanted Von Miller money.
    2) Watch the second play of the game where Collins instead of following the play did his own thing and the resulting uncovered hole Gillislee exploited for 28 yards.
    3) Watch Collins ignore instructions and try inserting himself into a package against Patricia’s wishes and the resulting confusion costs a 12 man penalty followed by a time out.
    4) There is a Salary cap in the NFL. Every dollar paid to Collins is money not spent improving other areas of the team. Without those other areas the Pat’s lose. That’s why the Pat’s win by never giving too much to any one player. (Even Brady is well below the going scale for starting QBs, much less a goat starting QB)
    5) Collins has believed that he is so good they have to take the bad (ignoring the plays doing his own thing I stead) with the good (the occasional freak play that likely no one else can do.
    6) Collins is better than Roberts all day, but Roberts still really good, follows instructions, and definitely does well enough that the difference between them is not a ‘Von Miller money’ difference.
    7) Once in a while a move like this sets a good tone in case anyone else is spending more time reading their clippings than studying game film.
    8) Do your job. How much clearer can Belichick make that. Maybe this does make it a little clearer.
    9) When you are in Patricia’s and/or Belichicks office being talked to about not following game plans don’t sit there assuming you are too good to get rid of.
    10) Don’t ever let Bob Kraft think you are not a good business decision on the bottom line.

  38. carloswlassiter says:
    Oct 31, 2016 8:36 PM
    duffelbagsports says:
    Oct 31, 2016 8:01 PM

    If they kept Jones they would be 8-0
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    Obviously. Jones would have played QB against Buffalo in the first meeting and led the Patriots to a 10 point win.

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    Exactly what I was thinking. Some people just set themselves up to get owned.

  39. graylingskies says:
    Oct 31, 2016 9:03 PM
    My guess is Collins is playing hurt. Sorry, but that was some dirty business. Jamie gave his all and at the very least deserved to finish the season here. JMHO.

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    You have to give the Browns at least a little credit. The Patriots would not be able to slip an injury by their doctors. (Especially with Collins cheerfully pointing it out if such a game was afoot with him) If that was the case the trade will be void and Collins back with the Pat’s before the week is out.

  40. I am blown away by this move but the difference between a compensatory 3rd rounder and the Brown’s 3rd rounder is at least 32 picks. So they go from essentially an early 4th rounder to a late 2nd rounder; that’s a huge difference; roughly equivalent to a mid-to-late 4th rounder. They have lost negotiating power with Hightower as he now knows that between Collins, Jones and Hightower he is the guy they are going to throw money at. But I assume BB likes what he is seeing in the LB crew and Collins was expendable. And he sends a clear message.

  41. abninf says:
    Oct 31, 2016 7:44 PM
    Not hard to do when you have a cupcake AFC East schedule every year.
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    Best division in football last year and highest wins per team over the last 10. For the last 3 years the Pats have lost 2 of 6 division games and 2 of 10 non division games. No doubt the rest of that ‘cupcake’ division would appreciate some help from the rest of the Charmin soft league.
    But please tell us again about the mighty Cowgirls before you yell at us to get off your lawn

  42. the jealousy of the pats haters is comical

    bb is a master of sniffing out a player’s real agenda

    if it is selfishness and greed before the team and winning, that player is gone.

  43. This kind of move will produce one of only two possible outcomes. 1) The Patriots will drill everyone else on their schedule and finish 8-0 the second half of the season. 2) A delicate player based chemistry has been upset. Players are ticked off privately and they will finish 4-4 or 5-3 the second half of the season. If Mingo, Long or someone else play lights out then number 1 will happen. If they all flame out, number 2 will happen. Either way, the Patriots will win the NFC East. But if #2 happens, they will get ejected somewhere in the playoffs. This is a ballsy move by Belichick. But I don’t think anyone in the AFC really keeps him up and awake much at night this year. There are going to be a lot of 4-5 loss teams in the playoffs this year in both conferences. Just look at the records and parity all over right now.

  44. It’s pretty evident that Patriot fans on here don’t know football. They DO miss Chandler Jones. They had 49 sacks last season, right now they have 13 sacks. And despite some of the hardcore bandwagon here, they’re 5th in Points allowed, NOT 3rd, and NOT 1st as some people are alleging. Yet they’re so far they’re middle of the pack in total yards per game. They’re middle of the pack in allowing 3rd downs. Middle of the pack in penalties (yet make fun of other teams…that have less penalties). 20th against the run.

    They’re sitting high because they also have the 5th ranked offense (forces the hand of teams to abandon the run), are clearly the only good team in a terrible division, and have have a pretty soft schedule against some incompetent teams; Steeler with Landry Jones, 0-5 Browns, Hapless Texans, 2-4 Bengals, and then some tight games, and trading w/l with Bills. None of those teams are an offensive juggernaut that can stand with them.

    Now obviously the Patriots are good and are still a well oiled machine but stop lying, their defense is worst, they’ve faced inferior opponents this year for the most part and have not done anything besides not get scored on badly. Now they will make the playoffs as the 49ers, Rams, Jets & Ravens aren’t scary. But the Dolphins will run on them especially with Jaime gone now. Teams will notice that they are average against the run. And they will lose in the playoffs.

  45. Belichick knows what he’s doing. He has better options right now otherwise he would not have made this move. And he went to the Browns for Pete’s sake. So very little risk of him being with an AFC or Superbowl competitor this year, unless the Browns flip him immediately. Not much time left to do that.
    Belichick probably recognized the uniqueness of this year’s timing as well. Move a popular guy out just prior to bye week gives you some time to settle things down.
    Why now? One reason may be that Collins was distracting others on the team and would even more so as the season continued. Pats getting ready to win the Superbowl (you know they have started preparing) and Collins and his agent throwing out signals they are looking for big money, doing things his way. Belichick won’t take that from anyone.
    Besides, Collins already has a SuperBowl ring so it’s not like that is being taken away from him.

  46. stealthjunk says:
    Oct 31, 2016 7:09 PM

    How could McCourty say such a thing? I’ve been reading Patriots fans’ comments all day and it’s obvious that Collins was a horrible player, a liability even. McCourty doesn’t know what he’s talking about — he’s just a Patriots hater.

    Also, as pointed out in the article, Belichick always knows when it’s time to cut bait with a player. Just like he did with Chandler Jones, who has more sacks than any player on the Patriots roster this year. The Patriots’ pass rush is doing just fine without these him this year — they’re ranked a respectable 25th in the league, tied with the great heavyweight defenses of Jacksonville and San Francisco.
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    Of course McCourty is shocked. No one saw this coming, but now that it’s happened it shouldn’t be a surprise. Now as far as the Pats defense goes there are only 3 stats that really matter to BB. What your record is, how many points your offense scores and how many points your defense gives up. Everything else is just window dressing. So at 7-1 and near the top of the league in points allowed BB could care less about sacks and yardage. Make teams go 70 and 80 yards to get three points while you go and get 7 each time and the yardage becomes irrelevant.

    Collins has freakish athletic ability but he is inconsistent and often out of position. Something Belichick doesn’t tolerate as it goes against the team defense concept. You either get the guy to get with the program or you move on.

    This is also a message to other guys on the team telling them “Do what you’re coached to do. And if you don’t want to do that I have no problem sending you to football purgatory.” Think about it, Chandler Jones got traded because the Pats knew he would sign elsewhere for more money than they’d pay, but he did as he was coached and got traded to what looked like a contender. Word is Collins wanted Von Miller money without Von Miller’s level of performance, without consistency and without the discipline to follow the defensive schemes. He got traded to Cleveland for less than the Pats would’ve gotten as a compensatory pick for him if he finished the season.

    In the short term the Pats lose a talented player. In the longer term they’ll likely be a stronger and more cohesive defensive group.

    As far as Collins goes, if he takes this as a wake up call and starts playing as he is coached he could be a standout linebacker. He has the physical tools to be one. Whether or not he becomes one remains to be seen.

  47. txpatsfan says:
    Oct 31, 2016 9:13 PM
    I am blown away by this move but the difference between a compensatory 3rd rounder and the Brown’s 3rd rounder is at least 32 picks. So they go from essentially an early 4th rounder to a late 2nd rounder; that’s a huge difference; roughly equivalent to a mid-to-late 4th rounder. They have lost negotiating power with Hightower as he now knows that between Collins, Jones and Hightower he is the guy they are going to throw money at. But I assume BB likes what he is seeing in the LB crew and Collins was expendable. And he sends a clear message.
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    They didn’t get the Browns 3rd round pick. They got a third round compensatory pick from the Browns or a 4th round pick if the Browns don’t wind up with a compensatory pick. What they got was a 2017 round pick instead of a 2018 pick they would have received if they had let him walk.

  48. bigbamboom1 says:
    Oct 31, 2016 9:27 PM

    This kind of move will produce one of only two possible outcomes. 1) The Patriots will drill everyone else on their schedule and finish 8-0 the second half of the season. 2) A delicate player based chemistry has been upset. Players are ticked off privately and they will finish 4-4 or 5-3 the second half of the season.
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    I’m sure Belichick has no clue about “player based chemistry”, he’s only been a HC for 20+ years.

  49. The New England Cheaters have a history of offloading players at the start of their decline.

    Tom Brady better watch out.

    Three losses in a row and he’s the next Cleveland Dog Pile QB.

  50. orivar says:
    Oct 31, 2016 9:27 PM
    And despite some of the hardcore bandwagon here, they’re 5th in Points allowed, NOT 3rd, and NOT 1st as some people are alleging.
    +++++++++++++++

    It’s always great when someone misses the boat while attempting to talk down to everyone else. Points allowed, as in per game as in how the stat is referred to on every major site.

  51. “Players are ticked off privately and they will finish 4-4 or 5-3 the second half of the season……Either way, the Patriots will win the NFC East.”

    1. Who exactly are they losing the 4 games to in the second half? The Rams? the 49ers? the Jets? The mighty Ravens?Please enlighten us.

    2. I know the Patriots are good, but are they so good that they’ll win a division they don’t reside in? Wow–that would be cool. Someone had better tell the Cowboys.

  52. The Patriots aren’t a stupid team that tries to do the same thing every game. If they’re playing a backup quarterback like Landry Jones they often try to force him to make many good short plays to move down the field. That means not loading up on a lot of blitzes that will result in some big plays. If they’re playing a team with a really good running quarterback like Tyrod Taylor they often rush the quarterback in a very disciplined way, keeping him in the pocket and not allowing lanes to open through which he could run.

    Yeah, they’d like to have a few more sacks at this point and it seems Bill Belichick is a bit down on the D’s performance even though their points allowed is very good so far. But Collins wasn’t outplaying Elandon Roberts. And it might be nice to still have Chandler Jones but they have a good rookie left guard and a good rookie wide receiver instead. Besides which, Chandler Jones’s face was a candidate for printing on the side of milk cartons in big games and the playoffs where he had 2 career sacks in 9 career games. He’s a good player but let’s not his name’s Chandler not Deacon.

  53. scoocha says:
    Oct 31, 2016 7:47 PM
    They probably hurt him and traded him away.

    Patriots love cheating. Counting the days until this franchise is finished again
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    So… just how many days is your count up to?
    15 years x 365/days a year = 5475 days.

    That is dedication. Puts you in contention for the keynote speaker at the annual whiners convention.

  54. .
    The Patriots defensive game plans always rely on the ability of each player to ” do their jobs” within the context of the week’s game plan. It does not allow for freelancing. Often times star players get unappealing assignments. In previous years, nose tackle, Vince Wilfork, used to be moved to DE whenever the Patriots played Miami. His only assignment that week was to neutralize the Dolphins stud LT, Jake Long.
    .

  55. I know it’s a longshot but maybe another interesting “why now” possibility is that Belichick feels giving up Collins now won’t lose them a game this year but maybe it helps the Browns win a game against an opponent that could be a threat later in the finals. With two games against Pittsburgh, maybe Belichick thinks the Browns get lucky and splits them. Or seals the fate of the Giants.
    For sure, Belichick has more than one reason for this decision.

  56. abninf says:
    Oct 31, 2016 7:44 PM
    345snarkavenue says:

    @stealth junk

    Just so you know, the Patriots have given up the least points of any team that has played 8 games, including the Broncos.
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    Not hard to do when you have a cupcake AFC East schedule every year.

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    Another idiot who spews out crap before thinking…or checking facts. The AFC East has the 2nd most wins in the NFL.

  57. chippys lost binky says:
    Oct 31, 2016 10:00 PM

    laserw says:
    Oct 31, 2016 9:37 PM
    The New England Cheaters have a history of offloading players at the start of their decline.
    +++++++++++++++

    And this is wrong in what way?

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    It is wrong in the way he confuses talent with cheating. The Pats out-think and out-play his team, so he cries “They must be cheating!” That is just plain wrong…

  58. It’s pretty evident that Patriot fans on here don’t know football. They DO miss Chandler Jones. They had 49 sacks last season, right now they have 13 sacks. And despite some of the hardcore bandwagon here, they’re 5th in Points allowed, NOT 3rd, and NOT 1st as some people are alleging.
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    The Patriots are currently 5th in points for, and 3rd in points against.

    Clearly, the amount of sacks they have isn’t an issue.

  59. ihatetheeffingjets says:
    Oct 31, 2016 8:31 PM

    This move could tear apart a tight knit team like the game after Malloy was traded they got smoked by the bills 31-

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    And they won the super bowl that season, losing just once more after the Buffalo loss.

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    And another in 2004…last team to go btb! Clearly their chemistry was shot.

  60. Belichicks moves arent about talent, they are mostly about money because the salary cap forces proper money allocation. I understand moving Collins but the return doesnt really validate it. 3rd round comp when if he walks the pats get the same pick just a year later? Id rather keep him then for the season and let him walk in FA. I agree w McCourty he is their best defensive player but if he doesnt listen to The play calling I guess Bill is ready to move anyone. Like Seymour and Jones before him this likely has to do with the contract and Bill thinking he cant afford him, but unlike them the return isnt bigger than what they would get if he walks in FA.

  61. “And despite some of the hardcore bandwagon here, they’re 5th in Points allowed, NOT 3rd, and NOT 1st as some people are alleging.”

    They are, in fact, 5th in total points allowed, but all four of the teams that have allowed fewer have also played fewer games. They are 3rd in points allowed per game, behind Seattle and Minnesota, who have each played 7 games. They are 1st in points allowed among teams who have played 8 games.

  62. They’ve been picking up LB’s lately so this wasn’t the biggest surprise.
    Kids take this to heart. You’ve gotta listen to your coaches on the field. Play the play don’t freelance. Or you’ll get cut

  63. “I’ve been reading Patriots fans’ comments all day and it’s obvious that Collins was a horrible player, a liability even.”

    I haven’t seen anyone say that. I have seen many Patriots fans question whether his complete defensive performance warranted the acclaim that many hold for him; whether he’s really played up to his reputation. The vast majority of people opining on his performance both before and after the trade a) are not watching the all-22 and b) have no idea what his actual assignments are on a play-to-play basis. We see the standout physical plays, the sacks and interceptions and man-handling of the offensive lineman, and assume that he’s doing awesome things all of the time.

    And we just don’t know.

    I think that this is safe to say – if Belichick and the defensive coaching staff thought that this trade was going to hurt their defense in a significant way this season, they would not have made it. That doesn’t mean, of course, that they’re right, but they certainly know more about it than I do, and they have earned a certain amount of deference to their decision-making process. So when something that makes no sense to the outside world happens, we know that they are seeing things that we aren’t.

    (Note also that this is not a blanket “Bill can do no wrong!” Bill can do wrong, and has done wrong, and will do wrong again. But absent some really compelling and obvious reason to criticize moves when we clearly do not have all of the same information that he does, he gets the benefit of a LOT of doubt…)

  64. There’s no way to spin this as a positive for this year. The Patriots lost a good player and won’t see anything for him until the draft. Tom Brady is 39 years old and won’t likely be around by the time that pick turns into a quality player of any kind like they lost. They have been in a “win-now” mode for 15 years but now as Tom is so old it really is a big deal to let go of talent in what could be his last chance to win another Super Bowl.

    So this leads me to think this was somehow personal. Collins must have really rubbed Bill Bellichek the wrong way to get shown the door at this time.

  65. Maybe they trade him to show him what the rest of his career could look like. Then he gets his head on straight and then sign him to a reasonable FA contract back with the Pats.

  66. BB over the years has stayed at least 2 steps ahead of the press and 2 steps ahead of his fellow GMs and 3 steps ahead of us in the peanut gallery.

    I trust him.

  67. My concern from the moment I saw this – what about the locker room? Now guys are p’d off at losing a friend and colleague. This is concerning for the run at the playoffs.

    A 2nd round Probowler for a conditional 3rd round pick? He must really have been on a different page then BB.

  68. Belichick often goes out and gets linebackers for one year and uses a draft pick to do it, knowing the compensatory pick will mostly offset what he spent. For him not to keep Collins when what he is getting is only better by the time value of getting it one year earlier means that Bill didn’t want Collins on the team. We can speculate (freelancing, playing for stats to increase his free agent status, stick it up Bus Cook’s backside) but its just speculation.

    Personally, I have learned to trust Belichick’s judgment even if he gets it wrong on occasion because his track record is unmatched on the field.

  69. something that was mentioned on Quick Slants last night is that if the Pats had not made this deal, and Collins had signed elsewhere as a free agent next year, the Pats compensatory pick would have been for 2018. If the Pats sign a higher priced free agent in 2017, it could effect that compensatory pick.

    Clevelands 2017 compensatory pick would not be affected by such a free agent signing in 2017.

  70. daddeeo says:
    Nov 1, 2016 10:02 AM
    My concern from the moment I saw this – what about the locker room? Now guys are p’d off at losing a friend and colleague. This is concerning for the run at the playoffs.
    _________________________________________

    What if the guys in the locker room were getting sick of Collins blowing assignments and doing whatever he wants on the field regardless of what he is supposed to do?

    Maybe it will be a relief going over film and not see someone freelancing instead of doing his job.

  71. McCourty should shut up. He was lucky BB gave him a contract. If the DBs were better when his contract came up McCourty would have been gone.

  72. By all accounts, his teammates liked him and they are shocked and dismayed. He went to the Browns for the price of a ham sandwich because Belichick doesn’t have to worry about him coming back to haunt the Patriots in Cleveland while he’s there, if only for the time being.

    As with any move Belichick makes, this decision was multifactorial. The Patriots tried, but his agent wanted him to get “best linebacker in the league” money, which he is not. No chance at resigning him to the number they wanted, which was reportedly 10-11 million–big dough in Foxboro–and Collins was supposedly losing focus. Doesn’t study the way they want him to either.

    Nowhere is the notion “team before player” more true than in New England, consequences be damned.

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