Report: Patriots trade Jamie Collins to Browns

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The Patriots have traded linebacker Jamie Collins to the Browns, ESPN’s Adam Schefter reported Monday.

The reported price is a compensatory third-round pick. Next year’s draft is the first in which compensatory picks can be traded.

Collins, 27, went to his first Pro Bowl last season. The Browns badly need defensive talent, especially at pass rusher and linebacker, so he’ll immediately be a contributor — and the Browns presumably hope he’ll be a long-term starter and building block.

A second-round pick in 2013, Collins is in the final year of his rookie contract. Though the trade comes as a surprise, Patriots coach Bill Belichick has never been afraid to move players before the Patriots have to lock them up or lose them to free agency.

Collins had 5.5 of his 10.5 career sacks last season. He has one sack and two interceptions this year. Collins had started six games and played in seven this season. He’s started 41 of 50 career games.

239 responses to “Report: Patriots trade Jamie Collins to Browns

  1. Steal for the Browns – provided they can extend the contract beyond 1 year: Collins has real upside. This story seems like it may have been printed on April 1st.

  2. Weird. I don’t see how the Patriots get better with this trade, but I guess they figure they’re so good they can drop good players and still be the best team in the NFL.

  3. This is shocking. Collins is one of the best players on that D and deserves an extension. Im not one to question BB and maybe he didnt want to sign him to big contract but Wow. Just wow.

  4. Hightower, Collins, Blount, Bennett, Sheard, Cannon, Branch and Vollmer are all contracts that need to be addressed for the 2017 season.

    There was no way to sign both Hightower and Collins without cutting it short and losing others.

    Real shame.

  5. If you’re not first, you’re last. Jamie Collins is about to know that all too well.

  6. Lousy thing to do to a guy who played his heart out for you. Richard Seymour and Chandler Jones are one thing but Collins is so versatile and some consider the heart and soul of this defense. It’s ok Jamie. Play this year out and come to Denver next year. We’ll have the cap room then and you can get your payback playing on the best defense on your way to another championship.

  7. Let me be the first to say this, as a Pats fan: WHAT!?!?!?!?!??! I almost had a heart attack when this streamed over my phone. Sigh.

    Ok now that my heart has settled down, please tell me we got Joe Thomas in return. Please?????

    In Bill we Trust.

  8. Sad to see him go. He’s definitely a fan favorite, has been productive and is a ridiculous athlete.

    Hope that pick turns into something great. They better lock up Hightower long term now that they don’t have to worry about getting a deal done for Collins

  9. WOW! You better be right about this one Bill. I get the whole “team first” that you’ve never strayed from but this weakens the D this year.

  10. Last year of rookie deal and Patriots get a 3rd in return now before lost in Free Agency. Might not get as good of a deal at the end of the season when other teams know they have to get him off the books. But to the Browns? Collins must have pissed of The Hoodie!

  11. Man… Belichick would trade his momma if he didn’t see any more value in her… Lol

  12. HAHAHAHA

    Patriot fans have been saying how getting rid of Chandler Jones would allow them to sign Collins and Hightower to an extension

    Now they only have Hightower left, the guy who is most replaceable out of the three

    Cheap Bill being Cheap

  13. Elandon Roberts made him expendable, he is already a star in the making. Obviously Bill wants to put his money into Hightower and Butler. Only has to pay Roberts rookie money.

  14. He must have brought Belichick a surface tablet during the game Sunday.

    Well at least the Browns 3rd is pretty much a late 2nd.

    Collins is probably on a emotional rollercoaster right now. Oakland isn’t the black hole anymore, it’s the Cleveland Browns. Sorry Browns fans, if you still exist.

  15. As a Browns fan, didn’t expect them to be buyers at the deadline, but sellers of some of their veterans.

    That being said, from a talent perspective I like the move, BUT I have two big worries.

    1. Collins contract is up at the end of the year, will he resign with Cleveland? Probably not.

    2. Why did Bellichick dump a guy who went to the pro-bowl last year? What does he know and/or see that we don’t.

  16. Wow.
    Completely unrelated to this, Troy Vincent is completely corrupt and has hired a bunch of his failure friends into made up jobs that are basically stealing from the NFL

  17. BB must have figured they couldn’t pay him. It’s good business and Dont’e Hightower will be the beneficiary.

  18. Not sure this makes a lot of sense for a Browns team that is in re-building mode. But a lot of stuff the Browns do doesn’t make sense.

  19. This makes absolutely no sense to me. If Collins rebuffed the Pats on an extension, fine. But, if they kept him and let him walk at the end of the season, they’d probably get a 3rd rnd comp pick anyway. But, you’d still have the player for the possible SBowl run. I don’t get it, unless something else is going on.

  20. Wow. Imagine being a Pats player and then being told you’ve been traded to the Browns. Soulcrushing.

  21. Admittedly Collins got taken to school by Owen Daniels last January.

    He’s not playing up to his level this year either. I say Belichick clearly knows something we don’t, he’s in a contract year anyway, Belichick is almost never wrong when he lets a player walk “too early” and overall these factors make it a TREMENDOUS … well you know the rest.

    🙂

  22. “Collins had started six games and played in seven this season. He’s started 41 of 50 career games. ‘
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    Que the Pats fans: “he was worthless” and “Not worth the money” and “He was a locker room cancer.”
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    Quite a surprise to say the least. Wonder what he said about Giselle that upset Brady? Bet it had something to do with the toy tossed on the field at Buffalo.

  23. Certainly a surprise. Although if Dion Lewis is healthy look for James White to be next.

  24. Rumor has it that Collins’ agent is asking for the moon, and NE felt that they weren’t going to be able to sign him, Hightower and Butler…If this is true then NE may have made a good deal here.

  25. love collins but he’s clearly underperformed this season and he’s due to make a lot of money next year. the team hasn’t been able to reach an extension agreement with him and if anyone in this league knows when to pull the trigger at an impasse, it’s the patriots.

    fans won’t agree with this move, but you have to figure bill is doing this for a reason.

  26. How can the Browns trade a 3rd round compensatory pick when the compensatory picks haven’t been issued by the league yet?

  27. This happened because we couldnt afford him at the end of the season so we might as well get something for him now but the biggest reason this happened is because of and can’t stress this enough…..ELANDON ROBERTS…he’s an absolute beast

  28. .
    Update :

    There is more to the story. Collins agent is Bus Cook. Now he’s on the 2pm bus to Cleveland. Who’s next to try their strong arm tactics on the Patriots?
    .

  29. I understand that he is going to command big dough in the off season… and you want to get something back instead of him just leaving… I get it…

    This stings… he is a monster and leader on this D … and someone not easily replaced and please do no tell me BB thinks Van Noy can fill that role???… I’m not buying it…

    I hate this move!!!

  30. The Patriots were not going to be able to keep all the defensive studs (Hightower, Collins, and Butler) While a 3rd rounder seems low without knowing the other offers that were made I think this is a case of getting what you can. We traded for Mingo and Van Noy so I think that was intentional with the thought they were gonna lose either Collins or Hightower. I would have preferred a move after this season but as always In Bill We Trust.

  31. wow. hard to question belichek buuttt…. are they trying to win it this year? or not? they should be adding players, not getting rid of it. was just listening to local sports radio asking if they’d trade garropolo for haden? hahaha. guess that’s not happening. isn’t the compensatory 3rd rounder at the end of round 3? haha

  32. Well at least the Browns 3rd is pretty much a late 2nd.


    It says compensatory which means it would actually be after the 3rd….

  33. Belichick brain cramp !! what a stupid move this defense was barely good enough as is!! Now we loose a player of his caliber for the rest of the season and with nothing in return … genius, pure genius

  34. “Patriots coach Bill Belichick has never been afraid to move players before the Patriots have to lock them up or lose them to free agency”

    WOW! Sorry Jaime…from first to worst..can’t get any sadder than that……

  35. It’s a comp pick, so it is a LATE 3rd

    thefatlazygamer says:
    Oct 31, 2016 12:47 PM
    He must have brought Belichick a surface tablet during the game Sunday.

    Well at least the Browns 3rd is pretty much a late 2nd.

    Collins is probably on a emotional rollercoaster right now. Oakland isn’t the black hole anymore, it’s the Cleveland Browns. Sorry Browns fans, if you still exist.

  36. touchdownroddywhite says:
    Oct 31, 2016 12:46 PM
    And the rich get richer… Pats probably won’t even miss a beat

    ____________

    I dont think so, hes probably their best player on D. He plays ST great too. He can play end, ILB, LB, run with TE, slot guys, rush the passer, play the run and is a ridiculous athlete. I thought hed be the one to be extended. There has to be more to this. Collins loss hurts NE’s D ALOT.

  37. I just don’t get this. But I never do anyway. My guess is his agent is coming in with a silly high number and they can’t wait until the end of the year. But it feels sucky for sure.

  38. Wow, don’t understand at all…he was the only linebacker who could actually cover….
    Something else is behind this story, other than his rookie contract is coming to a close.

  39. A little shocking based on his talent, but it was unlikely the Patriots could keep both Collins and Hightower. So you get a little value while you can before Collins gets a huge contract. Sounds like Belichick felt he could fill the role with another player without a significant decrease in effectiveness of the defense.

    I wish Collins good luck though, he’s been fun to watch as a Patriot.

  40. All I can say to Browns fans is you just got one hell of a player! With his contract ending they weren’t going to re sign him so they get some value now. As a Pats fan this totally sucks but it’s next man up. Good luck in Cleveland, you will definitely be missed by Pats Nation!

  41. @ thefatlazygamer

    It is a compensatory 3rd rounder… it doesn’t matter where Cleveland finishes, its the last pick in the 3rd round. We didn’t `get Cleveland’s third round pick.

  42. With Jamie Collins contract coming up, he was at one point asking for what one league source described as “Von Miller money.” Von: 6-$114.5M

    That’s too much for a guy who is good but not great!

  43. Rumor is he going to ask for Von Miller money this offseason.

    If true then lawl. Bye bye.

  44. “Well at least the Browns 3rd is pretty much a late 2nd.”

    It’s a compensatory pick. Those always come at the end of the round, after the first 32 picks.

    They didn’t even get the Browns’ regular 3rd round pick.

  45. Nice piece of info 6 ball. That explains a lot. Ithought picking up McClellin, Van Noyes and Mingo were a little strange. Looks like the Pats knew this was coming. Still can’t believe they couldn’t get more.

  46. Worst transaction in the Belicheck era.

    Pat’s would have gotten likely the same compensatory pick in 2018 if Collins graded out as a top Free Agent. The pick will end up being late 90’s, not 65, since its the Compensatory pick.

    So they get …. NOTHING, except worse this year. The Boston Media better not cave to Bill at the next press conference. The hoodie just got hoodwinked by a bunch of sabermetric nerds.

  47. andreboy1 says:
    Oct 31, 2016 12:47 PM
    HAHAHAHA

    Patriot fans have been saying how getting rid of Chandler Jones would allow them to sign Collins and Hightower to an extension

    Now they only have Hightower left, the guy who is most replaceable out of the three

    Cheap Bill being Cheap
    _____________________

    The Pats are 7-1 and have some pretty good depth all around. Never knew Bill to be ‘cheap’ at the expense of wins.
    Do you have any idea at all how BB operates?? It’s WINNING first, second and third, then there is a drop off and then there is everything else.
    This move could be the result of alot of things but him being ‘cheap’ ain’t one of em. Hate the Pats blindly all you want but at least pay attention son.

  48. Presumably the Browns have some sort of plan and background on Collins beyond film. I wonder what it is and who at the Browns knows? I say presumably because these are Harvard guys,right, and they would have done the due diligence and know his character, personality,work ethic, leadership capability, etc. And the Harvard guys too have a plan on long term contract now or Transition or Franchise,right?……or wrong?

    Problem is I doubt the same guys who have passed on Wentz and Prescott.It is just as likely they have taken a shot in the dark on Collins and have no plan.Sure it’s only a compensatory third rounder but the Harvard guys have gone beyond just a shot it the dark, haven’t they?

  49. Dude. As a Pats fan, we definitely could have used his amazing talent for the rest of the march to the playoffs and beyond. I get that it’s better to get something for him than nothing, but that’s a cheap price for the Browns.

    Definitely going to miss that guy. To think, we could have Chandler Jones and Collins in there last years of their contracts this year. Instead we got an offensive lineman who’s already gone and a 2nd and 3rd rounder. Nice picks for sure, but tell me those aren’t two difference makers on this shaky D…

  50. I understand its a business but yesterday he was a 7-1 locker room and today 0-8. He must feel like Dan Akroyd from Trading Places.

  51. This has to be prompted by BB liking Roberts more than we realize. The kid is very good and can really play. I like Collins a lot but come to think of it how many big plays has he made this season?

  52. I think this is my fault. I bought a Collins jersey before he was signed. Should have known better. My history with jerseys:

    Curtis Martin
    Ty Law
    Deion Branch
    Willie McGinnest
    Jerod Mayo
    Jamie Collins

    I am done…getting an Andre Tippet jersey and then never again.

  53. If its true Collins’ agent was asking for the moon this could also be taken as a warning shot to Hightower, Butler and others.

    Being too greedy? Off to the Browns with you !!! How you like that ?

  54. thefatlazygamer says:
    Oct 31, 2016 12:47 PM
    He must have brought Belichick a surface tablet during the game Sunday.

    Well at least the Browns 3rd is pretty much a late 2nd.

    Collins is probably on a emotional rollercoaster right now. Oakland isn’t the black hole anymore, it’s the Cleveland Browns. Sorry Browns fans, if you still exist.
    ________________

    It’s a compensatory pick. Those come at the end of the round.

  55. ironyisadeadscene says:
    Oct 31, 2016 1:08 PM
    I think this is my fault. I bought a Collins jersey before he was signed. Should have known better. My history with jerseys:

    Curtis Martin
    Ty Law
    Deion Branch
    Willie McGinnest
    Jerod Mayo
    Jamie Collins

    I am done…getting an Andre Tippet jersey and then never again.
    ___________

    This just in: Andre Tippet traded to the Jets for a player/pick TBD later.

  56. .
    Bus Cook wanted Von Miller money and Collins went into pout mode.

    Bus Cook, Jamie Collins agent: “The thinking is, if they don’t want me, go someplace that does.” Collins knows the records. Still OK with it.

    To prove the Patriots “wanted” him, they would have had to pony up 6yrs / 147 million
    .

  57. Word is Bill and the Patriots had enough with his freelancing on plays like what led to that that 28 yard run yesterday and it wasn’t the first time either. I can believe it.

    Have fun in Cleveland.

  58. “Collins is one of the best players on that D…”

    We all believed that going into the season, but if Belichick thought that was the case right now, this trade would not have happened…

  59. Surprised of course, but they know more than we do. Maybe the lack of progress on a contract had became too acrimonious and/or he was more interested to avoid injury than play all out this year in anticipation of a giant free-agent deal.

    I have no idea, but something like that would be an explanation.

  60. Since compensatory picks are picks that are awarded, and not part of the regular draft order due to team record, I assume the Browns pick is as early as the thirty-third overall pick in the third round.

    It doesn’t seem like the Browns are giving up very much for the player, unless something is going on that has yet to be reported by the media.

  61. So, while I don’t get how this makes sense for New England, I REALLY don’t see how this makes sense for Cleveland.

    Good player? Yeah, sure. But his contract expires at the end of the season – they’ll have to back up the Brinks truck to sign him either way. Does trading for him get some goodwill, sure. Does it get them a discount? Doubtful. Why not keep your pick, and make a run at him in free agency? It’s not as if he’s going to get them into the playoffs this year, and imagine if they accidentally won a couple of games and fell ‘behind’ the also-awful Bears or Niners in the draft order. Hardly seems worth it!

  62. Salary caps. That’s why it’s very difficult to maintain a winning team. Nobody is above the team. BB has to do what’s best for the team. BB does everything for the team. He scrapes the bargain bins for players, bargain down deals even with his legendary QB, and barter his priced possessions like Collins,Jones, Mankin, etc. This is a shocker. But he can’t keep everybody as much as we fans want him too. He’s putting these players on teams desperate enough to give them good contracts. Jones is already on his way getting an extension. He is the one making the painful decisions. It’s like putting your children for adoption and finding good homes for them. He could have traded Collins for more, but will Collins get a sure extension and be paid well? BB is not a total reptile. We just have to trust BB.

  63. This HAS to be a non-football issue, as the compensation they got back is the same as they would receive if he finished the season and signed as FA elsewhere. Plus, it’s hard to imagine that the market for a player of his caliber is so limited. So, I’m reserving judgement until the other shoe drops…Maybe there’s another deal working with the Browns that involves Haden or Thomas…maybe there’s another deal with another team that will make this one make sense…or maybe there’s a PED issue, a domestic issue, or something similar on the horizon. From a purely football perspective, this deal makes ZERO sense!

  64. The Patriots value team players. If you are willing to balance money and team success there is a place for you. If you think you can max both money and team success you get shipped out. Is that so hard to understand?

  65. iseek11 says:
    Oct 31, 2016 12:45 PM
    Lousy thing to do to a guy who played his heart out for you. Richard Seymour and Chandler Jones are one thing but Collins is so versatile and some consider the heart and soul of this defense. It’s ok Jamie. Play this year out and come to Denver next year. We’ll have the cap room then and you can get your payback playing on the best defense on your way to another championship.

    Osweiler kept the broncos in the hunt while PM cleared his system of PED’s. How’d they repay him?

  66. Its done. Move on.

    As a Pats fan you don’t always understand the moves Bill Belichick makes. But he rarely ever loses when people second guess him.

    I’d give him the benefit of the doubt that there’s more to this than meets the eye.

  67. Trying to figure out who the Patriots are going to pay isn’t easy. A couple of years ago, we looked at Chandler Jones, Jamie Collins, and Dontae Hightower and figured they would sign a couple of them. Funny things happen. Malcolm Butler got really good and now he needs to get paid. You could argue that Logan Ryan needs to get paid too. How about Marty Bennett?

    My problem here isn’t trading Collins. It’s trading him now. Let him play out his deal (end of the year). There was no need to trade this player now.

  68. Fans fall in love with the names and reputations, the NE coaches watch them everyday in practice and see them in games.

    Past performance doesn’t mean squat if they feel like they are getting better production from a younger guy, or the younger guy is going them the almost as much performance at a fraction of the price now and with future upside.

    The other thing to consider is that NE might not be done trading before the deadline.

  69. This didn’t happen over night folks.Bellichick has been collecting lbs over the last 6 months with Mingo, McClellan , Roberts and Van Noy, These are the facts people need to know. The Patriots offered him a contract worth 11 million a year and he turned it down. True Patriots fans aren’t shocked as this falls in line with Mankins, Milloy ,Seymour , Chandler Jones…ect……….He told the Patriots he wanted Von Miller money 160-170 million…….have fun in Cleveland son….

  70. To everyone who’s “shocked” the Patriots didn’t get Thomas in the deal: You simply don’t get an All-Pro LT in exchange for half a season of non-pass-rushing LB. Getting a third rounder is actually a steal.

  71. .
    From Belichick confidant, Mike Lombardi :

    ” But former Browns general manager Mike Lombardi tweeted that he’s not surprised the Patriots unloaded Collins, considering he’s been freelancing and not doing his job.

    “Not been playing well at all they need to get the defense fixed,” Lombardi tweeted. “This will get their attention.”

    He added, “Collins on the second play of the game [versus Buffalo] does whatever he wants and Bills gain 28 yards. Been happening all year. It was not going to continue. You are either coaching it or allowing it to happen. Belichick decided he was not going to allow it to happen.”
    .

  72. Given the trade value received is not significantly better than just letting him go in free agency there has to be another element to Belichick’s decision making. No need to speculate but Bill had a reason for doing it now just before the trading deadline.

  73. The 49ers have a ton of cap space and huge need at linebacker and of course Trent Baalke can’t swing a trade for collins.

  74. chippys lost binky says:

    Oct 31, 2016 1:31 PM

    Local word is he declined $11M. Good player but they can’t pay them all.
    —————————-
    That doesn’t mean your only option is to get ripped off and trade him away for pennies on the dollar.

    Your options are:

    A. Let him play out this season and walk (in which case you get a comp. pick anyway.)

    B. Trade him and actually make a good deal. The Patriots got a 2nd rounder and Jonathan Cooper for Chandler Jones and Jamie Collins is a better play than Jones.

    Terrible deal anyway you look at it. Patriots just got much worse on defense rest of season and gained next to nothing long term.

    You guys really excited about a pick in the high 90’s early 100’s in the 2017 draft? You think your gonna find a player of this caliber there? Not a chance.

  75. No way to resign both Hightower and Collins. Hightower is more important to NE’s defensive scheme. Not only would it have been impossible to pay them both market value, but the fact that they are both linebackers poses a problem for salary negotiations. As soon as one of them signs it sets the bar for the other. You can imagine that neither camp wanted to sign first, likely adding to the possibility neither would be renewed before year’s end.

  76. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    Oct 31, 2016 12:51 PM
    The Pats are in rebuild mode
    ==================

    Pats reload year after year after year…
    While the Jests rebuild year after year after…
    Sweet dreams jetsboy

  77. The 49ers have lots of cap space, desperately need a quality ILB and he goes to Cleveland. Oh, I forgot, we’re a draft and develop team.

  78. “maybe there’s a PED issue, a domestic issue, or something similar on the horizon”
    ————————–
    A Pats fan saying their are possibly PEDs used by the Pats?

    I would think that, if their is a possible suspension involved, the Browns could void the deal if they were not notified by the NFL and the Pats before the deal was consummated.

  79. Collins was asking for Von Miller type of money after this season. The Patriots do not play that type of game so that could be the main reason why they decided to let him go. Thats only speculation though

  80. To the Pats fans who think now it’s a sure thing that they resign Hightower and Butler, I wouldn’t bank on it. The Pats will find a way to cheap out on one of them too I bet.

    I understood and actually applauded the Chandler Jones trade. This trade is a joke, Patriots just got significantly worse and got nothing in return.

  81. Earlier someone posted;
    “Collins is one of the best players on that D”
    Well apparently that’s not the case. Listening to Jim Rome just a few minutes ago, Romy says Collins was out of position multiple times the past few games. Belichick doesn’t put up with that. You don’t listen, You’re Gone !! Welcome to Cleveland Jamie, Ughhhh !

  82. edelmanfanclub says:
    Oct 31, 2016 12:58 PM

    touchdownroddywhite says:
    Oct 31, 2016 12:46 PM
    And the rich get richer… Pats probably won’t even miss a beat

    ____________

    I dont think so, hes probably their best player on D. He plays ST great too. He can play end, ILB, LB, run with TE, slot guys, rush the passer, play the run and is a ridiculous athlete. I thought hed be the one to be extended. There has to be more to this. Collins loss hurts NE’s D ALOT.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I know he’s a hell of a player, but Cleveland just gave up a (basically) 4th round player for 4 years with no guarantee of being able to keep Collins past this season while the Pats get something for a guy they obviously weren’t expecting to keep beyond the end of the year.

  83. It’s all about the new contract. There’s no reason on the field to get rid of Collins, it’s a money trade. Anyway the Patriots could have waited the end of the season and have a compensatory pick.
    Anyway on defense now the Patriots are worse than yesterday.

  84. Well, if he wants Von Miller money, getting something now is a bonus. What potentially makes him expendable now is the play of Elandon Roberts … I’ll miss his athleticism though.

    Good luck in Cleveland.

  85. To the Pats fans who think now it’s a sure thing that they resign Hightower and Butler, I wouldn’t bank on it. The Pats will find a way to cheap out on one of them too I bet.

    ======================================

    we will gladly bank on it as we are 60 million under the cap next year

  86. valentino8100 says:

    Oct 31, 2016 1:48 PM

    No way to resign both Hightower and Collins
    ————————–
    Valentino will be saying the same thing when the Patriots get rid of Hightower or Butler…I can hear it now

    “No way to resign both Hightower and Butler”

    This was the same excuse for shipping away Chandler Jones, that move was made so you could resign Collins, Hightower, Butler, etc.

  87. Just think of all of the players who had really good years last season, who are coming up to the end of their contracts, and who are far underperforming this year such as Michael Floyd of the Cards.

    Why is Belichick the only guy trading away players before their on the field decline or before they can demand a huge contract?

  88. brettfavreisapacker4ever says:

    Oct 31, 2016 1:52 PM

    Earlier someone posted;
    “Collins is one of the best players on that D”
    Well apparently that’s not the case. Listening to Jim Rome just a few minutes ago, Romy says Collins was out of position multiple times the past few games.
    ————————–
    No one listen to that guy, he just tried to pass off Jim Rome as the voice of reason. Jim Rome is the biggest d-bag tool around and should be shunned.

  89. So the Browns got LB Jamie Collins for a 3rd round pick? Trent Baalke is LITERALLY asleep at the wheel… We need LB’s so bad in SF. What is wrong with Baalke….. I am so sick of GM’s hanging on to draft picks in place of making moves like this. Half the players drafted completely fail. And that’s 1st rounders it drops a lot from there.

  90. Just called my nephew who is an NFL player and told him to make sure his next contract includes a no-trade clause to the Browns.

  91. So the GOAT coach couldn’t stop a freelancing LB on his walk-year from doing the wrong thing… So instead of coaching em up, he ships the all-Pro off?!

    Brilliant!

    In DePodesta We Trust!

  92. blackstonevalleykettlebells says:

    Oct 31, 2016 12:45 PM

    Can’t sign everyone, I’d rather have Hightower
    ———————
    Yeah great logic buddy. You can’t sign him, so just throw him away for pennies on the dollar.

    Someone explain to me why this is better than getting 8 games and a playoff run out of Collins AND THEN letting him walk?

    I’ll be waiting….all day….because there is no logical explanation.

  93. psljax says:

    Oct 31, 2016 2:04 PM
    Browns third round pick might just be the first pick in the round?

    Just one word for Patriots managment: ruthless
    ——————–
    NOT TRUE, this is a compensatory pick not a conditional, meaning that at the very earliest this is the 97th overall pick in the draft.

    This isn’t much different than just cutting the guy.

  94. I’m sure that Collins will flourish playing for another coach rather than Belichick, as so many former Pats players have done…not! If you can’t play for Belichick you can’t play for anyone. Collins is done.

  95. Wouldn’t they have gotten a third comp pick themselves for him, or at least a fourth? Bizarre. Belichick is a genius though but this is so weird

  96. For everyone slamming the Pats, they are 7-1 and are a threat to win the super bowl virtually every year.

    I guess there are a lot of people these days that think you should bring in a guy that’s an outsider, exaggerates his success in his failed businesses, tells us he wants to make the Patriots great again, claims he knows more about football than “cheat’in Belichick”, tells us he has a plan but is short on details, claims Deflategate was rigged in the Patriots favor, and has a bunch of old white surrogates. Personally, I support Belichick.

  97. Relax. A somewhat surprising move but, and I hate to say this, Belichick is the best GM in the NFL and has been for years. The Pats won’t skip a beat by making this trade. They never do.

  98. Did you watch him yesterday? He looked like he got lost on a bunch of plays & I think Belichick just sent a BIG message to an under achieving Defense – Watch Out, DON’T do your job and get sent packing!

  99. Key name here to remember moving forward is Elandon Roberts. This kid is no joke and is a beast right now. Say Collins wants a contract pushing say $19mm a year, why sign that type of contract when Roberts will cost you $550K plus a year? Patriots have their way of conducting their staff in a way that others seem egregious. With that being said, I can’t complain with a team that constantly wins with some of the head scratching decisions that they have made over the years. I can only trust their judgment.

  100. I was as shocked as anyone when I heard about this, but the more I read about it, the more it makes sense.

    First of all, the guy was not doing his job on the field, which was creating big plays for the opposing team. Second, he is in a contract year and all indications were that his agent was trying to break the bank with his new contract, so he was going to be gone at the end of the year regardless. Third, the Patriots are entering their bye week, this gives the coaching staff time to rejigger the defense to minimize the impact of this loss.

    So in all, we dumped a guy who wasn’t playing up to his potential and who we weren’t going to be able to keep anyway at the best possible point in the season and got something for it in return. Not my favorite move of all time, but necessarily a bad one, either.

  101. “Someone explain to me why this is better than getting 8 games and a playoff run out of Collins AND THEN letting him walk?”

    He’s apparently been freelancing a lot this year and ignoring what the coaches wanted him to do.

    The point was made he was out of position on the 2nd play of yesterday’s game and the Bills got a 28 yard pickup. That’s a fine example of what freelancing will do in Belichick’s system.

    If he’s not playing well and Belichcik was satisfied with the other LBs the Pats have then it makes sense he wants to send a message to the roster.

    What surprises me is he didn’t try and turn this into a Collins plus a draft pick for Thomas.

  102. tigerlilac says:
    Oct 31, 2016 2:20 PM
    For everyone slamming the Pats, they are 7-1 and are a threat to win the super bowl virtually every year.

    I guess there are a lot of people these days that think you should bring in a guy that’s an outsider, exaggerates his success in his failed businesses, tells us he wants to make the Patriots great again, claims he knows more about football than “cheat’in Belichick”, tells us he has a plan but is short on details, claims Deflategate was rigged in the Patriots favor, and has a bunch of old white surrogates. Personally, I support Belichick.

    ————

    you forgot to mention that nobody respects women more than that outsider does

  103. Not a big BB fan, but I do like this move, for the same reason I want the Bears to trade Jeffery before the deadline.

    Pats get a 3rd round comp pick in 2017 draft for Collins. He reportedly turned down an $11M per year deal, which means they were going to let him walk anyway. Assuming he signed a blockbuster deal in FA, the Pats would at best get a 3rd round comp pick in 2018. The Browns get a player they can potentially sign long-term, and the Pats get immediate return on a departing free agent.

    Whether there is more to the story or not, this was a solid move by BB, and a decent play by the Browns to get a front-line proven talent for basically a throwaway pick that they don’t have yet anyway.
    Expect to see a few more trades like this before the deadline.

  104. .
    This may be unrelated, but Josh Gordon is eligible for reinstatement tomorrow, prior to the trading deadline and Cleveland has publicly stated that they would like to move him. Could this only be the first shoe to drop?
    .

  105. You people really think the Patriots didn’t try and get maximum return for Collins? You’re crazy!

    So you are basically saying the Brown contacted the Pats out of the blue and said we’ll give you a 3rd round comp pick for Collins? Highly doubt that’s how it happened. I’m sure the Pats shopped him to many teams, but his asking prices when he hit FA next year was too high so they offered little in return. We all know that the Pats like middle draft picks, they collect those all the time, and use them to move up or down if the players available make sense.

    As for Collins being the best player on their D, he’s maybe 3rd-4th at this point, Hightower and Butler are 1-2, you see Hightower all over the field yesterday, maybe if Collins did that the last few games he’d still be on the team

  106. “What surprises me is he didn’t try and turn this into a Collins plus a draft pick for Thomas.”

    ———————–

    You work in the Pats front office? How do you know that didn’t happen and they turned it down. Maybe they wanted Collins and their 1st rounder for Thomas? Or maybe Collins and a 1st and 4th? He’s not worth either of those.

  107. Jamie collins is a bit over rated… leads patriots with most missed tackles. Wasnt listening to what Bill was tellin him to do, enjoy cleveland smell ya later!

  108. If the Pats kept Collins on the roster until the end of the season, he walks as a free agent and the Pats get the same draft pick they just received in a trade. So the Pats obviously feel they are better without Collins, which is surprising because even if he was benched he would seem to have depth and special teams value….so there must be more.

    How much salary cap space do they open up by trading him now instead of letting him walk at the end of the season? Can they be signing Hightower or Butler this season with the saved money?
    -or-
    Are they sending a message to other FAs-to-be? Play hard or you will spend the rest of your career being tagged by the Browns?

  109. So now there’s talk that got into a heated argument with Patricia over his freelancing and doing whatever he wanted to instead of what is was supposed to.

    The message? Buy in to the Patriot Way if you are here. That means doing what you’re told…..or there’s the door son.

  110. Belichick want this team firing on ALL cylinders – He see’s the Defense as the ONLY thing (barring an injury to Brady)
    that’s gonna keep them a Super Bowl – SO he just sent a very clear message to rest of them, DO your job OR go from the “Penthouse to the Outhouse”…cause Cleveland still got plenty of cap space for NE cast-offs!!

  111. So basically the Patriots get their 3rd round compensatory pick a year earlier in exchange for losing one of their top defensive players for the stretch run. Sure sounds like Collins must have done something to anger Belichick…

  112. “you forgot to mention that nobody respects women more than that outsider does”

    touché , 345snarkavenue

    Thank you!

  113. iseek11 says:
    Oct 31, 2016 12:45 PM
    Lousy thing to do to a guy who played his heart out for you. Richard Seymour and Chandler Jones are one thing but Collins is so versatile and some consider the heart and soul of this defense. It’s ok Jamie. Play this year out and come to Denver next year. We’ll have the cap room then and you can get your payback playing on the best defense on your way to another championship.

    ————

    A Denver fan who thinks they are some kind of dynasty doesn’t know anything about the heart and soul of the Patriots defense.

  114. I don’t get the clamoring for Joe Thomas. Yes, he’s a top 5 LT. NSolder is probably their best OLineman, and in the 8-12 range for NFL LTs. So then what? You move Solder to RT, a position he’s not played often? I don’t see that the small upgrade would be worth all the money you had to pay Thomas, plus probably a pick you’d have to give up. Not to mention Thomas doesn’t know the offense or the protections. Don’t see it.

  115. He’ll probably end up in Miami next season with a $200 million dollar contract.

    That’s the Dolphins way.

  116. Why are you Pats fans questioning this? I keep seeing “Pick in the 90s, not going to get talent that late in the draft”

    What round was your QB drafted in?

  117. It has got to hurt to go from New England to Cleveland. You go from a team with the best record in football to a team with the worst.

    Don’t know what you did Collins but dayum!!!!!!

  118. Will there be more to this story? Seems like a strange move to trade a player that would be worth the same comp pick one year later, if he walked after the season.

  119. Not sure why taking a LB in rounds 1-3 are off the table. for the Pats. Just saying.

    Not too worried about the compensation. More worried about this biting them in the backside this year or not.

  120. I know he’s a hell of a player, but Cleveland just gave up a (basically) 4th round player for 4 years with no guarantee of being able to keep Collins past this season while the Pats get something for a guy they obviously weren’t expecting to keep beyond the end of the year.

    Having said that, if he gets a deal anywhere near where what he’s after, Cleveland get a similar pick (3rd round comp) the next year.

    Plus they might be more inclined than the Pats were to use a Franchise tag on the guy.

  121. With Jamie Collins contract coming up, he was at one point asking for what one league source described as “Von Miller money.” Von: 6-$114.5M

    That’s too much for a guy who is good but not great!

    ——————————————————

    I agree, but what I don’t understand is, why now?

    According to what I’ve read, the compensatory pick they would have received next year when he walked via free agency would have been a 3rd rounder, i.e. , exactly what they got from the Browns.

    So if they were going to get a 3rd rounder anyway, why not let him play out the season?

    All I can think of is that there is a bigger trade in the works that includes the pick they just received. This is the first year that the league has allowed compensatory picks to be traded, so my guess is the Pats have plans for that pick.

    Otherwise, I can’t see how this move makes sense.

  122. So now there’s talk that got into a heated argument with Patricia over his freelancing and doing whatever he wanted to instead of what is was supposed to.

    The message? Buy in to the Patriot Way if you are here. That means doing what you’re told…..or there’s the door son.

    Interesting but shouldn’t players do that anyway?

  123. 2017 compensatory picks haven’t officially been determined. It’s been reported that it’s a conditional 3rd round pick. Evidently, the Browns are banking on the Alex Mack signing with Atl to get them a 3rd round 2017 compensatory pick. If they aren’t awarded a third round pick, I’m sure other compensation has been agreed on.

  124. Collins has great ability and he has shown that time and time again but none of us should pretend to know more than the man who’s led this team to 6 superbowl’s. Obviously the priority is signing Butler and Hightower during the off-season.

  125. Pretty obvious Bill was fed up with him not “doing his job”. His freelancing cost a TD yesterday & a 28 yard run. Who knows what happened in other games.
    This trade was probably in the works for a while.
    Don’t mess with Bill, ” do your job” or face the consequences!
    In Bill we trust!

  126. Obviously, I can’t watch an NFL game tape and know if a guy is doing his job, unless it’s obvious. But, the only thing I can conclude is, the Pats thought they needed to get him out of here now. They could have kept Collins the rest of the yr for basically nothing. He only makes 900k and they would get the same compensation, a yr later. In a D where you need to be where you’re supposed to be, maybe he was trying to freelance and make splash plays, to get on ESPN in a contract yr. Maybe he was pouting. We may never know. One thing I do know is the Pats, though not infallible, ain’t stupid. Still wish they coulda got a 2nd though.

  127. The Browns must intend to sign Collins, it’s not like they’re contenders. The compensation for Collins seems to be causing confusion. It’s essentially a pick at the top of the 4th round(if it’s their compensatory).

  128. You chowdz can say all all you want, Belichick is King, but the Pats are NOT a better team without Jamie Collins and Chandler Jones at this moment, and they won’t be going into the playoffs. To me, you are the clear favorite right now, this season, and you give up your best pass rusher and your most versatile OLB?? Risky business.

  129. andreboy1 says:
    Oct 31, 2016 12:47 PM

    Now they only have Hightower left, the guy who is most replaceable out of the three
    ——————
    Uhm, out of the three, hightower was easily the one to keep. EASILY.

  130. phillypcp says:
    Oct 31, 2016 12:45 PM
    I don’t get it, how does that benefit the pats at all this year?

    ===============================

    saw a cpl things watching buffalo game that might have prompted this. we dont need lbs that cover as bad as we need someone that isnt gonna be torn up in the run game by the likes of mike gillislee. hightower was shutting down his side, but they were gashing the middle of our d at the second level running.

  131. As per the usual: Collins will go on to have a very good NFL career and be compensated well. Belichick will bundle this pick with some others to move up and get who he wants. That player will be a roll of the dice just like every other pick by every other GM. Slight odds in Bill’s favor that he makes a better pick than most. The Pats will remain well under the cap and will remain one of the top teams in the league. They will continue to sell out Gillette and Kraft will continue to be a billionaire. The only thing that changes is where Collins plays.

  132. finsphan says:
    Oct 31, 2016 1:56 PM
    Poor guy, goes from a cheating franchise to a losing franchise. Some guys just can’t catch a break.
    ————————————————————-
    Could have been worse. Could have been sent to NFL purgatory in Miami playing in front of half empty, fair weather fan’s with zero hope of ever being relevant again. Cleveland the city has found their mojo and if they could ever get a franchise QB they might actually go somewhere.

  133. thefootballblogger23 says:
    Oct 31, 2016 12:48 PM
    Typical NE Trade.

    Also, its nice to have the first pick of the 3rd Round
    ————————
    Unfortunately not. It’s a compensatory 3rd round pick. If the Browns don’t get a third round compensatory pick the Pats get a 4th.
    This was a straight dump by Belichick. For whatever reason this guy was on his crap list because he was loaded with talent.

  134. “they won’t be going into the playoffs.”

    Seriously?

    They are 7-1. Please name one opposing quarterback on their remaining schedule that can beat them.

  135. They would’ve got a compensatory pick anyway, but it probably would’ve been end of the 3rd round, now it’s likely the 1st pick of the 3rd round. This is possibly a very good move.

  136. cfmaguire9 says:
    Oct 31, 2016 12:52 PM

    this makes about as much sense as bring a marital aid to a football game.
    —————————————
    It’s the Bills, they probably sell them in the pro shop, fans got to do something to entertain themselves during games. Though it would probably make more sense for Browns fans.

  137. I see two separate issues here:

    First, why are the Pats trading him right now for the same (or worse) compensation they’d get by not resigning him at the end of the season. We’ll probably get better insight as time goes by but I’d guess there is likely truth to rumors of him being a “bad locker influence”. Chandler Jones was traded right after he showed naked at the police station before a playoff game; Dom Easly was outright cut; and now Collins is basically cut. Apparently Pats have no patience for players that don’t fully buy into the system or whose ego gets too big.

    Second and more important however, is the issue of why the Pats didn’t shop him around but packed him on ice and shipped him express to Cleveland. I can’t help thinking that some teams like Detroit would gladly offer a second or at least a regular 2017 third round pick for him instead of a compensatory pick. So why exactly Cleveland in such a cut and dry trade? I think it’s either a punishment for Collins, or a message to the rest of the team, or simply a wink wink nudge nudge favor to the Browns, perhaps for another deal going on in the background or a favor for the future (next time call me first if you want to trade a player). Or it could easily be all of them together. It’s such a nonsense trade for Bellichick that I find it hard to believe this is all there is to it.

  138. What the hell were they thinking? They could have gotten Joe Thomas for Collins, and have an offensive line that would have been the envy of the NFL. BB is a great coach, but sometimes he pulls a bonehead play, and this was a bonehead play.

  139. This smacks of a lot of employment situations where it’s simply not advantageous in any way to keep somebody. The bad outweighs the good. I’m thinking that it must have been a “last straw” type of thing with his inability to do what the coaches wanted him to do.

    Kind of like where you give 2 weeks notice and your employer says, “Actually, why don’t you make today your last day and we’ll move forward from here.”

  140. He’s not the same player as a few years ago, but this is a classic Belichick move to send a message at mid season…

    Stop working hard, and you won’t just be cut – you’ll be shipped off to Cleveland

    This should get everyone on track for the stretch to the Super Bowl and Belichick got rid of what you have to think is a problem child

    Effectively he gave him up for nothing, but still retained the 3rd round pick he’d get just for keeping him on the roster

  141. Surprised? No.

    Worried? No.

    When did they make a bad release; Samuel, Welker, Revis, even Vinny was well replaced by Gostkowski (less recent trend)?

    There is a reason. It will work. After 10 years why is there any surprise or second guessing?

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