World Series wins big over NFL game

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The presidential election isn’t diminishing interest in the World Series.

Sunday night’s head-to-head contest for eyeballs between America’s (former) pastime and America’s team resulted in a decisive win for baseball.

Via Austin Karp of SportsBusiness Journal, Game Five of the World Series between the Indians and Cubs beat the regular-season Eagles-Cowboys game by 32 percent in overnight ratings. Baseball generated a 15.3; football drew an 11.6.

Six years ago, the first time the NFL opted to challenge MLB’s marquee event, Steelers at Saints won decisively in a matchup against the Rangers and the Giants, 11.8 vs. 10.4.

Sure, the 2016 World Series features a pair of very-long-suffering teams and fan bases, and Sunday night’s game could have clinched a second championship in less than six months for Cleveland. Regardless of those circumstances, football has been the king of all sports TV, with the NFL’s regular season regularly beating baseball’s postseason and the NFL’s preseason routinely trouncing baseball’s regular season.

The key words, at least for now, are “has been.” The question is whether the NFL will twiddle thumbs or attempt to determine how best to recapture its suddenly disappearing dominance.

The temptation will be to treat 2016 as an aberration. The good news is that 2016 numbers have lowered the bar, for the purposes of week-to-week comparisons to be made in 2017.

The bad news is that current-year comparisons with other sports will become the truer test. On a pass/fail basis, the NFL’s annual World Series challenge generated a big, fat F for football.

112 responses to “World Series wins big over NFL game

  1. Regardless Of an election year or the World Series I have stopped watching the NFL I have not seen one snap from any team in three weeks. Between the injuries, the commercials, the refs, roger goodells stupid fines for players for dumb reasons whether it’s celebrations or uniform infractions for not being able to wear patriotic gear on the field for 9/11 is ridiculous. And to top it off Colin Kaepernick yes he has a right to protest but he should be lucky he gets to live in a country where he is able to. So for me a lot of things need to change and until they do the NFL will not be getting another dime from me or viewer.

  2. Was rooting for the Cubs until I found out that the Cubs owners are paying for the Donald Trump ads during the broadcast. Rally Together, tribe!

  3. Great news. I hate the NFL. From the silly issues like deflategate where Brady didn’t actually do anything to the vile way Park Ave treats domestic violence matters, I can’t fully love this sport again until Goodell is gone. I love my home team, I can’t stand the league.

  4. That sounds like a lot of people who don’t watch football and are fans of those 2 baseball teams watched that World Series game vs. that Giants/Rangers matchup, which is understandable considering the fan bases. I don’t know if pointing out that the numbers for the NFL game is virtually the same as it was during that time makes the point that that World Series game drew eyeballs away from the game last night. Especially since that game last night was a refreshing well played one in the middle of a bunch of bad games we’ve been getting since week 1.

  5. There is also the position that the league has grown to a size that is sustainable for decades and the focus does not need to be on further growth, but rather the quality of the game, officiating and presentation.

  6. joetoronto says:
    Oct 31, 2016 11:53 AM
    What’s the excuse now?
    ______________________________

    Why would there be an excuse?

    You have two teams that haven’t won in decades playing in a clinching WS game..
    ….

    I am a huge Giants fan and the Eagles/ Cowboys game is important to Giants fans.. But I found myself switching back in forth, especially after the Cubs 3 run inning..

  7. Overthinking these overnight ratings. If the Cubs were not in the Fall Classic for the first time in 70 years, the NFL would have won the night.

  8. The chance for Cleveland to close it out made the WS far more compelling but it’s still surprising that a fight for the NFCE division lead between Dallas and Philly only pulled an 11.6 for a tight game

  9. patriotsdefense says:
    Oct 31, 2016 11:57 AM
    Great news. I hate the NFL. From the silly issues like deflategate where Brady didn’t actually do anything to the vile way Park Ave treats domestic violence matters, I can’t fully love this sport again until Goodell is gone. I love my home team, I can’t stand the league.

    ____________________________________

    What VILE way did the NFL treat domestic violence this time?

    They suspended Josh Brown 1 game..
    The police NEVER charged him. What more can they do?

    The only reason this ever came to light was someone broke the doctor/patient code and released his journals he was using as therapy..

    Now let me say I dont agree with Josh Brown at ALL. But if he is NOT found guilty of a crime by our judicial system, the NFL has no reason to impose their own penalty.

    Blame the courts, not the NFL

  10. I watched baseball too, didn’t watch a full game before the world series this year. With a game in England starting early there is only so much football I can take in a day. I mean honestly do they expect me to watch 4 straight games.

  11. Make the players practice in pads so we don’t have to put up with pre-season quality football in November….

  12. The NFL product is going stale. Too many stupid rules. Too many stupid penalties being called that are affecting the games. Too many commercials. The players are annoying with all of their whining about every little thing out there, football and non-football related.

    I still love my Steelers, and watch them every week. But my interest in watching other teams has seriously diminished. I no longer plant myself in front of the TV all day on Sundays. I’d rather do other stuff now. If I’m not interested in the matchup on MNF or Thursday night, I don’t even bother watching anymore.

  13. The NFK has become unwatchable due to pace-of-play problems of their own (Goodell’s) creation. Commercials between the kickoffs & the first snap at the start of each half and between every score and during the two minute warning; penalties on every third play involving referee announcements; reviews at every conceivable opportunity; etc. Eliminate pass interference and just call blatant holding by a receiver or DB, eliminate offensive holding except when a player wraps another player up, and eliminate booth replays in favor of only allowing coaches challenges. We can live with blown calls (we survived that for decades) but the 3 1/2-hour-plus games consisting mostly of down time are an awful product.

  14. vesh31 says:
    Oct 31, 2016 11:55 AM
    Regardless Of an election year or the World Series I have stopped watching the NFL I have not seen one snap from any team in three weeks. Between the injuries, the commercials, the refs, roger goodells stupid fines for players for dumb reasons whether it’s celebrations or uniform infractions for not being able to wear patriotic gear on the field for 9/11 is ridiculous. And to top it off Colin Kaepernick yes he has a right to protest but he should be lucky he gets to live in a country where he is able to. So for me a lot of things need to change and until they do the NFL will not be getting another dime from me or viewer.

    ________________________________________Injuries, commericals, stupid fines have always been a part of the NFL.. You’re not breaking any new ground..
    All youre doing is feeding into the “I’m offended” portion of America…
    The league and your team will welcome you back with open arms.. And face it, you know you will be back.

  15. Many people have grown TIRED of NFL antics and circus.

    Not only is it terribly overworked… its become a renouned Primadonna breeding ground.

    MLB World Series still has a certain purity and realism to it that most people relate to… and that the NFL is progressively losing. Helps that the Cubbies are in it of course… but hey it is what it is.

  16. steelhammer92 says:
    Oct 31, 2016 12:06 PM
    The NFL product is going stale. Too many stupid rules. Too many stupid penalties being called that are affecting the games. Too many commercials. The players are annoying with all of their whining about every little thing out there, football and non-football related.

    I still love my Steelers, and watch them every week. But my interest in watching other teams has seriously diminished. I no longer plant myself in front of the TV all day on Sundays. I’d rather do other stuff now. If I’m not interested in the matchup on MNF or Thursday night, I don’t even bother watching anymore.
    _________________________________
    The product isnt going stale.. The product is missing some star power.. Peyton Manning retiring is huge for the league.. Rodgers started the year shaky, Luck isnt playing well, Brady was out for 4 weeks.

    The election has also been a hindrance..

    Add on top of that VERY POOR Thursday and Monday night games..

    Things will work their selves out, it always does.

  17. Well, for one thing, I didn’t see any of the players kneeling down during the national anthem.

    On the contrary, I saw players bowing their heads, mouthing the words and being respectful.

    . . . And my interest in the NFL continues to diminish.

  18. Baseball maybe somewhat slow moving, but at least the action is fairly constant.

    These days in the NFL, you get a little football, 2-3 commercials, a little more football, 5 minutes of replay officials, a little more football, show the owners in their lux boxes, a little football, a penalty, more commercials, another play; then it’s half time.

  19. The irony of advertisers paying for commercial air time actually becoming a catalyst for viewers not watching the focus game is pretty funny to me.

  20. I have my opinion, as does everyone; however, mine is the only variable that has changed from last year to this year, that I can see, and it started at the first of the season….

    Oh, and don’t tell me there is only 1 good team in the NFL. Based on byes, their record is as good as ANY team with one loss, and last night’s game would have beaten any other sport in ratings, LAST year…..

  21. The NFL’s touchdown overtime rule is just terrible. It ruined one of the best games of the NFL season. How can they reason with giving a team a win off of one TD in overtime when the other team didn’t even get the chance to touch the ball? I’d rather watch a baseball game then see these games end the way they do. The win can’t possibly be satisfying when the other team’s offense didn’t even play in overtime.

    There was still plenty of time left for the Eagles to do something on offense. That’s exactly how you cut the show short and rob your fans the excitement of watching two teams compete in OT. The constant rule changes, the national anthem protests, most of the poor prime-time match ups, Peyton Manning’s retirement, and that framegate fiasco against Brady and the Pats are contributing heavily to lost viewers. People have been tired of Roger Goodell since 2007 as well.

  22. A big part of the problem is that teams with the most annoying fan bases are leading their divisions (MN & DAL for sure, NE, SEA – and DEN & PIT to a lesser extent), while HOU is boring and ATL can’t be taken seriously.

  23. jmuller516 says:
    Oct 31, 2016 12:12 PM
    vesh31 says:
    Oct 31, 2016 11:55 AM
    Regardless Of an election year or the World Series I have stopped watching the NFL I have not seen one snap from any team in three weeks. Between the injuries, the commercials, the refs, roger goodells stupid fines for players for dumb reasons whether it’s celebrations or uniform infractions for not being able to wear patriotic gear on the field for 9/11 is ridiculous. And to top it off Colin Kaepernick yes he has a right to protest but he should be lucky he gets to live in a country where he is able to. So for me a lot of things need to change and until they do the NFL will not be getting another dime from me or viewer.

    ________________________________________Injuries, commericals, stupid fines have always been a part of the NFL.. You’re not breaking any new ground..
    All youre doing is feeding into the “I’m offended” portion of America…
    The league and your team will welcome you back with open arms.. And face it, you know you will be back.

    Injuries of course have always been a part of the game but they seem to be more and more now a days and the fines are just becoming more ridiculous and I have just seen enough. My team and the league can leave the door open for my return but I won’t be walking through it anytime soon until Goodell is out and major changes are made.

  24. I watched the World Series instead of Sunday Night Football because:

    A. I’m an Indians’ fan.
    B. I hate being forced to watch the Cowboys and/or the Eagles.
    C. The on-field product is substandard. Poor tackling, the inability to play without committing penalties, and the general sloppiness of the NFL product has diminished my interest.
    D. Incredibly poor officiating (also the NFL’s insistence on remaining the “No Fun League”)
    E. Paul Gunther’s defense makes me want to vomit, and after watching the Bengals play exactly like you expect a Marvin Lewis coached Bengals team to play, I just don’t want to watch the NFL the rest of the day.

  25. part of last nights rating is because once again it was the Cowboys in primetime, most of the country is just sick of seeing them.

  26. A regular season game versus a championship game. The ratings are what they should have been… good for baseball. The day a any regular season game of any sport comes close to a super bowl rating, then we can talk.

  27. Yes, I did watch the NFL this weekend, but, I used to watch whatever game is on. Now I watch football like I watch baseball, I’ll watch when it’s my team and that’s it. I didn’t watch either game last night, and in good with that.

  28. “Sure, the 2016 World Series features a pair of very-long-suffering teams and fan bases, and Sunday night’s game could have clinched a second championship in less than six months for Cleveland. ”

    There yah go! Onto 2nd grade now, class! You’re doing it!

  29. Not so long ago, the NFL crushed everything in the ratings, absolutely everything.

    A regular season matchup would kill a World Series game, not anymore.

  30. brendafortheboyz says:
    Oct 31, 2016 12:20 PM
    I have my opinion, as does everyone; however, mine is the only variable that has changed from last year to this year, that I can see, and it started at the first of the season….

    Oh, and don’t tell me there is only 1 good team in the NFL. Based on byes, their record is as good as ANY team with one loss, and last night’s game would have beaten any other sport in ratings, LAST year…..

    ____________

    Sorry, Brenda, but there is only one good team right now. Every team has flaws, but they are that good.

  31. I would choose this World Series over any prime time matchup and I don’t even have a team playing. There is just something special about playoff baseball that the NFL will never come close to matching.

  32. MLB used to be the ‘National Pastime’ with the NFL as 2nd fiddle and that was reversed in the years following the 1958 Colts-Giants ‘Greatest Game Ever Played’ with the NFL firmly assuming the undisputed role of ‘National Pastime’ after the AFL-NFL merger.

    While I’m not a huge MLB fan myself, it’s obvious that with the mismanagement of the NFL over the last couple of decades (accelerated with Goodell) that the roles could soon be reversed again.

  33. It’s the Chicago Cubs in the World Series. Not surprising they beat SNF. If this were a Giants-Indians, or Rockies-Indians World Series SNF would have beaten it.

  34. Heres my question to everyone saying the NFL is mismanaged..

    What would you do different?

    Provide 3 examples of mismanagement and how you would correct the issues.

  35. One thing the NFL could do to get ahead of the problem would be to project a holographic image of a person onto each empty seat in the stadium so it won’t seem like such a ridiculous request when a franchise asks for a $700,000,000 tax subsidy to build a new stadium. It’d probably be a lot cheaper than paying people to come to football games they have no interest in.

  36. How little I care about teams other than my favorite team:
    I didn’t even know who was playing the Sunday Night game. Saw every pitch on the WS game however.

  37. The numbers show no change in the NFL number from 6 years ago but a 50 percent increase for baseball. The baseball nUmber can be completely attributed to the fact that the Cubs are in the World Series. The only team in the MLB that can come close to drawing those sorts of numbers are the Yankees. The larger question is will the NFLs number bounce back at some point. We will find out if/when the protests stop.

  38. jmuller516 says:
    Oct 31, 2016 12:04 PM

    What VILE way did the NFL treat domestic violence this time?

    They suspended Josh Brown 1 game..
    The police NEVER charged him. What more can they do?
    ————————

    The NFL can do whatever it wants.

    They should have either suspended him for 6 games, or waited until the investigation was complete, at which time they would have learned that the buy was a serial abuser.

    They had to put his wife in a separate hotel room at the Pro Bowl, so they already knew the guy had a problem.

  39. After watching the refs throw the Saints/Seahawks WWE event earlier in the day, it’s no reason people tuned out during SNF. Fans will continue to tune out in droves as long at the league continues to fix games.

  40. I’m an Indians fan, so there was no way I was going to watch the football game unless the Panthers were playing. Even then, it would only have taken as little as a 20-yard gain by the Panthers opponent to make me switch back.

    A lot of people say they quit watching baseball because it is so slow, or there isn’t enough offense. If you take the time to learn the game, and really stick with it, you will find games like this World Series absolutely riveting. Watching Terry Francona, the GREATEST MANAGER WHO EVER LIVED, maneuver the way he has all postseason has been remarkable. Every at-bat by both sides has been high-drama. The Tribe is going to win for the first time since my father was 4 years old. Even if the Cubs manage to win game 6, there’s no way in hell they will beat Corey Kluber in game 7 at Progressive field. GO TRIBE!

    And with the NFL, after a score, you have 4 minutes of commercials, a kickoff, 4 minutes of commercials, 2 plays, a penalty, 3 plays, a penalty, 1 play, an injury, 4 minutes of commercials, 2 plays, a penalty, a punt, 4 minutes of commercials…. Rinse, lather, repeat.

    AND THERE ARE ONLY 5 DIFFERENT COMMERCIALS, RERUN OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Baseball is not the slow game anymore.

  41. 1.Too many commercials
    2. Refs/NFL are fixing games … 23 penalties for 200 YDs?? Pick plays in NO seriously Palmer’s fumble was a incomplete pass.
    3. Protests were the icing.

  42. TV markets

    #3 Chicago
    #4 Philadelphia
    #5 Dallas
    #18 Cleveland

    Lots of people watching last night. I watched the Cubs stay alive. It was compelling.

    I can do without watching the NFL games other than the Patriots until Goodell is gone.

  43. Watching a potentially series clinching game between 2 teams that haven’t won a championship in forever; or watching Cowboys-Eagles in primetime, again (as they seem to be every single time they play). It was a pretty easy choice last night.

  44. What is funny is when they decided to change the rules in favor of the offense they probably thought it would draw more fans not less.

  45. But if a man is NOT charged with a CRIME, why must the NFL step in as judge and jury.

    The NFL is an entertainment league, NOT a judicial system..

    Would you want to lose your job over a accusation that you were NEVER charged for?

  46. I find myself on Sundays, Sunday nights, Monday nights, and Thursday nights realizing that there are NFL games that are being played, or have already been played, and not giving two hoots about missing them. I used to watch NFL all Sunday, and then watch the Monday game. I just don’t care anymore. Too many mediocre teams, too many players I can’t stand watching.

  47. Of course it did… You have the Cubs in the first WS in years.

    On another note. If the NFL doesn’t address PI calls in the off season, they are going to lose more fans. I watch the Redzone on Sundays so I get to watch a lot of last drives. I am amazed at how many last drives are saved or ending by what looks like random calls of PI. It is the Flacco rule to the extreme. Just throw the ball up and hope for a PI call. The Garcon one was laughable (and while I didn’t have a dog in the fight, I would be pissed if I was a Redskin fan).

    They need to address what a “catchable” ball is. If it is so far under thrown that the WR has to stop and come back which causes a DB to run into them, that isn’t catchable. If the ball sails out of the endzone, that isn’t catchable. If you don’t see a PI, you can’t just call holding and think that’s ok…

  48. 1) Discipline. An independent arbiter or panel for arbitration cases. More clearly defined penalties for conduct detrimental, etc. Rescind marijuana policy.

    2) Officiating. Replay review of roughing penalties and interference. More camera angles at the goal line. GPS chip in football for spots. This might take some time so…..

    3) commercials and flow of the game. Have more on field, in game ad placement similar to soccer in order to eliminate most of the in game TV time outs. Add two minutes to half time for ads (more time to go to the bathroom and get a beer)

  49. dstreibigsdose says:
    Oct 31, 2016 12:48 PM

    I set up 2 TVs in one room and watched both.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Add a ticket-window and you’d have your own sportsbook. Cheers!

  50. patriotsticketssince1978 says:
    Oct 31, 2016 1:08 PM
    1) Discipline. An independent arbiter or panel for arbitration cases. More clearly defined penalties for conduct detrimental, etc. Rescind marijuana policy.

    2) Officiating. Replay review of roughing penalties and interference. More camera angles at the goal line. GPS chip in football for spots. This might take some time so…..

    3) commercials and flow of the game. Have more on field, in game ad placement similar to soccer in order to eliminate most of the in game TV time outs. Add two minutes to half time for ads (more time to go to the bathroom and get a beer)

    _____________________________

    #2 is very interesting… The yard markers would all need a GPS as well ?

  51. MLB has survived the scandals that plagued it a decade ago. Until very recently, the NFL would have smoked MLB head to head regardless who was playing, but the scandal tables have turned, and turned fans off in the process.

  52. ……#2 I wish I could say how it would work but I’m not a tech guy. I know they could do it however.

    #3 could be more intriguing. It’s 3rd and 2 at the 44 yard line and the NFL pops up a pair of bathtubs on the 50 yard line for an in game Cialis spot.

  53. Didn’t “The Walking Dead” beat the NFL last week in the Sunday night ratings? The NFL ought to be far more concerned about that.

    The available viewing audience is much higher for that football game, than it it is for “The Walking Dead”, which airs on a cable channel.

    More and more people are cord cutting. They can still get the major networks just using an antenna, without having to buy cable, if that is the route they choose to take.

    I do suppose it is possible that having the Indians/Cubs in the WS could possibly bring some fans back to baseball even after the WS is over. It certainly can’t hurt. There is no question that the spike in MLB ratings is due to the current WS matchup.

    Still, isn’t the average baseball fan reportedly in their fifties?

  54. Baseballs back baby! At least everyone knows the rules. A catch is a catch, and no ties!

  55. simple formula, people watch tv on their own time now and when they are forced to watch the drawn out NFL commercial game it’s just not watchable in real time. The product has regressed, the commercials are too long and numerous and people are suddenly realizing they spend 3 hours watching 6 minutes of real live action that is also interuptted with weak penalties turning the game into flag football.

  56. jamaltimore says:
    Oct 31, 2016 1:40 PM
    simple formula, people watch tv on their own time now and when they are forced to watch the drawn out NFL commercial game it’s just not watchable in real time. The product has regressed, the commercials are too long and numerous and people are suddenly realizing they spend 3 hours watching 6 minutes of real live action that is also interuptted with weak penalties turning the game into flag football.

    ________________________________________

    The game is very watchable to me.. I dont mind the commercials.

    Gives us time to eat, drink and go to the bathroom..

  57. Well all these bandwagon Cubs fans are acting like this is greatest thing to happen them in their entire lives, so that might explain the big ratings for the World Series despite them finding baseball boring for the 11 other months of the year and probably not being able to name more than 3 MLB players outside the Cubs.

    Also, are people claiming that one of the reasons for the World Series winning over SNF last night is because of commercials and replays? Have you not seen how much standing around is done in baseball? Have you not seen how every player has to spend 10 seconds adjusting his gloves, spitting in the grass, and getting into his stance before EVERY SINGLE PITCH? Have you not seen how there are several different pitchers in the later part of the game that have to warm up, and one inning could take 20 minutes?

  58. Let’s also not forget football stared at 9:30 am here on the east coast yesterday. I had the day free so I watched football ALL DAY. By the time 8:00 rolls around it was too much. Baseball was a nice entertaining break at that point. The NFLs problem is obvious. It’s just too much. Cut back a bit.

  59. It’s amazing how the comment sections on this site have turned into nothing more than anti-NFL protests (hmmmm…). On an NFL news site. Go figure.

  60. After the election and world series are over, the ratings will be because of Thanksgiving, then they will down because of Christmas and New Years, then MLK day, and finally the super bowl ratings will be down because of Valentines day!

  61. dtm1088 says:
    Oct 31, 2016 1:56 PM

    Let’s also not forget football stared at 9:30 am here on the east coast yesterday. I had the day free so I watched football ALL DAY. By the time 8:00 rolls around it was too much. Baseball was a nice entertaining break at that point. The NFLs problem is obvious. It’s just too much. Cut back a bit.
    \______________________
    so you watched 4 hours of football and 12 hours of commericals?? 😛

  62. -The good news is that 2016 numbers have lowered the bar, for the purposes of week-to-week comparisons to be made in 2017.-

    —————————

    Hahaha what the heck kind of bullcrap line is this?! Lol

  63. I stopped watching baseball because of all the down time between pitches and just the generally slow pace of the game.
    Last night I found myself continually switching back to the baseball game because of commercials, timeouts, booth reviews and the generally slow pace of the NFL game.

  64. jmuller516 says:
    Oct 31, 2016 2:08 PM

    NFL needs to eliminate the THURSDAY game and the Sunday night game.
    ————————–

    I’d eliminate Thursday and Monday. MNF is just a shell of what it once was.

  65. Officials are fixing NFL games, any reasonable person can see this now with the inconsistency in officiating. The Saints/Seahawks game was an obvious work. The packers got the most unusual replay call in the history of sports…all so the game can make the Over/under line. Replay the spot..gave 12 man call they didnt ask to be reviewed, wasn’t conclusive ( you cant see the players feet) and the flat out ignoring of atlanta’s coach calling time out. Ignoring the blatant holding on the Packers 0line and Dbs. Aikman is basically on the air to cover all the blatant mistakes

    And the Raiders..they just have a different set of rules. They arent even trying to hide the fact that they’re fixing games anymore. Plus you got Blandino defending these officials which proves they have no accountability. People are tired of it.

  66. The Raiders are getting calls when it counts, and they did yesterday also with that PI on fourth and goal. This is because the NFL wants momentum to build and Oakland to stay in Oakland

  67. You call football boring? 1) why are you on this site? 2) Look at all the people looking around or looking at their phones at baseball games…

  68. Only because it’s the Cubs and Indians… any two other teams, and that SNF game brings ratings right back up, and other than a couple other NFL teams the rating would have been lower for SNF.

  69. Leading up to big elections is not a good time to take any metrics. I’m so fed up with the same mean and nasty political adds showing over and over and over again. I’ll turn the TV back on… on Nov 9th.

  70. No brainer.

    I’m as hardcore football as they come but c’mon, it was a possible deciding game of a World Series between the CUBs vs INDIANS. Let that sink in. There is NO way in hell I was going to miss that

  71. jmuller516 says:
    Oct 31, 2016 1:01 PM

    Would you want to lose your job over a accusation that you were NEVER charged for?
    ——————————

    Nope, but if I told my employer that I beat my wife, I would expect there to be consequences.

    The Giants, who professed no tolerance of domestic violence, knew that this guy beat his wife, and they signed him anyway, citing a lack of knowledge of the extent to which he beat his wife.

    You ever heard of anything more ridiculous?

  72. Stopped watching the NFL after the disgraceful anthem protests and have now rediscovered the fact baseball is a better game, better players, better history and I’m not bombarded with obnoxious political views

  73. That because the arrogance of the Roger Goodell led NFL is staggering and finally starting to push people away. He’s as bad as it gets, probably the worst commissioner in the history of pro sports in that he is completely tone def.

  74. TY Indians/Cubs. Now can we get Dallas to stop saying they are “America’s Team” when nobody gives a crap outside of north Texas!

  75. @jmuller516 says:

    What VILE way did the NFL treat domestic violence this time?

    Now let me say I dont agree with Josh Brown at ALL. But if he is NOT found guilty of a crime by our judicial system, the NFL has no reason to impose their own penalty.

    Blame the courts, not the NFL
    ————————–

    It’s funny how guilty Giants fans know they are. First, i never mentioned Josh Brown. And yes that is vile. The owner knew about the abuse and did nothing. They all knew.

    But more specifically, it’s the years of the doing nothing. It’s interviewing Ray Rice’s wife in the presence of her abuser. It’s parading her out to a press conference and making her take blame for the abuse. And it’s pretending like the NFL didn’t get the tape showing Rice knocking her out with a punch.

    Now what is up with Elliot and his ex-girlfriend. More NFL lies.

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