Hall of Fame won’t give a jacket or a ring to Ken Stabler

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Election to the Pro Football Hall of Fame creates virtual immortality. But actual immortality may be required to achieve the full benefits of the recognition.

As noticed on the Twitter feed of Mike Freeman, whose biography of Ken Stabler will be released this month, the powers-that-be at the Pro Football Hall of Fame have declined to give a gold jacket or a so-called Ring of Excellence to Stabler. Presumably because he’s not alive to wear them.

That’s precisely the kind of weak, short-sighted, tone-deaf thinking that sparked a needless squabble with the family of Junior Seau and that fueled the recent Hall of Fame game fiasco, which resulted in the cancellation of the game due to a slapstick effort to dry paint on the field.

Why shouldn’t the family of the Hall of Fame be able to own and display the gold jacket and the ring? The Hall of Fame doesn’t confiscate those items when living Hall of Fames die; the Hall of Famers shouldn’t deny a jacket and ring to those who didn’t win enshrinement during their lifetimes.

At a time when the NFL seems to be more sensitive than ever to public reaction, hopefully a loud and negative reaction to the treatment of the family of Ken Stabler will get the Hall of Fame (which is run by, among others, seven owners and Commissioner Roger Goodell) to do the right thing.

179 responses to “Hall of Fame won’t give a jacket or a ring to Ken Stabler

  1. Of course they should give his family the same things they’d give to any other inductee. This mgmt team gets more embarrassing every week.

  2. OJ Simpson still has his ring and jacket but Stabler ‘s family doesn’t? Why bother to elect people posthumously if you go out of your way to honor them differently?

  3. Its like the morons at 345 Park Ave go into their morning meeting every day and the first thing asked is –

    “How can we make ourselves look even more like incompetent buffoons than we already do?”

  4. The BUST is for the HOF to display & keep in their house.
    The jacket & Ring are for the players (living or dead) & their families to display & keep in their house.

    The only memento from the enshrinement is shown at the HOF, Stabler’s family is always welcome to come PAY it a visit, admission only $39.95. (not included in price of admission: attorneys fees, Commish’s fees, field maintenance fees, Sewage fees – due to all the BS flowing out of here).

  5. This is political.

    Even Paul Zimmerman once said that “Ken Stabler will never be in the HOF if I have a say.

    Well he made it, deserves it, and is entitled to the spoils for his family

  6. You couldn’t make this stuff up. Just when you think it’s impossible for the gang that can’t shoot straight to appear any more tone deaf…

  7. And the morons at Park Avenue wonder why fewer and fewer of us are watching NFL games.

    Geez, compared to the excitement and good vibes of this year’s wonderful World Series, the NFL totally sucks. After watching those seven games, I’m seriously beginning to think about going back to baseball and leaving in the dust football and all of Goodell’s inept management of a once great league.

  8. NOT surprised….tickets to the hall of fame game…I had 3…..have yet to be refunded and every time I call I get the run around! Always need something else I “forgot” to sign, so screwing Stabler’s family is no shock!

  9. An absolutely disgusting & inexcusable decision!

    It’s bad enough the brain-dead HOF waited until Stabler
    died to elect him

    Now they are denying his family this honor??
    Awful

  10. God this League is so screwed up. They try to hide domestic abuse. Claim they care about player health. Try to damage the Legacy of one of its greatest all time players because they didn’t want to face the embarrassment of the fact they mishandled claims of ball pressure. And now this…….

    Are there still any of you out there who believes a change doesn’t need to be made at the top?

    And don’t tell me Goodell doesn’t run the HOF. All he had to do was pick up the phone and make this mess go away.

    The Snake Stabler doesn’t deserve this.

  11. This is why the ratings are down. The NFL keeps making stupid decisions like this showing their selfish, corrupt philosophy about how to screw everyone in the name of maximizing profit. I am all about making a profit, but the NFL is a poster child for a corporation that needs to develop a new culture with stronger leadership. They have gone too long with a puppet being manipulated by 33 owners. It is time to get someone that knows how to lead.

  12. This is sad. I was trying to decide on this place or Cooperstown for my next vacation. I guess this decides it.

  13. Are you F’ing kidding me! Those other 7 owners and Roger Goddell should resign. That’s most lamest excuse I’ve ever heard. The should sue the NFL and The HOF and then some, bunch of rich jerks….

  14. I’m starting to be really done with the NFL, along with a lot of other fans. This is the only one of the major pro sports that continues to do boneheaded things that seem designed solely to piss off the fans.

    I am watching more NHL and NBA than I ever did. For last night’s football game, I watched a grand total of about 30 seconds. The rest of the the time last night I watched NHL and NBA.

    The clown show that is the league office, and the greedy owners, are killing the goose that laid the golden egg.

  15. If the owners can pay that bozo Goodell $30-$45 million a year to be incompetent, they can shell out a few thousand for a jacket and a ring.

  16. One ring to rule them… oh wait… wrong forum.

    $$$ is king. HOF won’t spend a dime unless they have to. Field to play on? Pffft. Jacket? Pffft. Ring? Pffft.

  17. This is beyond the limit of bad taste. I’ll be the first to call bs on some of the Raiders conspiracies to railroad them but this is inexcusable. It’s almost as if the NFL begrudgingly inducted Stabler into the hall in the first place and now this. As if to say, just be happy he was posthumously inducted and don’t push it. Sorry, this doesn’t fly with me. The amount of money the league and HOF generate there is no excuse. The first thing they should have done when he was going in was to call Stabler’s family and ask if they wanted his jacket/ring or if they could keep it in a separate display case in the Hall. I can’t believe the league who is reeling for good press, would risk having a story like this get out over a jacket/ring that surely doesn’t exceed 10,000 bucks. Keep up the good work guys, makes me want to go out and rake my leaves and clean my gutters on Sunday.

  18. amazing he was never voted in while he was alive. I guess Joe Klecko will have to die before he gets in too. Yet they will continue to vote players in based on popularity, not actual merits.

  19. packerenglishmajor says:
    Nov 4, 2016 12:53 PM

    Pure BS!
    The Snake deserves to be in the HOF.
    – A Viking fan
    ————————–

    He’s in the Hall of Fame.

  20. Soooo,

    God forbid something happens, before their election, to Manning, or Brady, or….any Hall worthy player not yet eligible, there would be no jacket or ring?

    It’s mind-numbing, the extent of stupidity, some of these decisions reach.

    If I were one of those yet to be elected, I’d lobby and/or boycott the process, until someone in the NFL or Hall comes to their senses. It’s in their own best interest, and the honorable thing to do for the likes of Stabler, et. al.

    Here’s an idea. Kneel when your name is called! That’s apparently OK.

  21. nfloracle says:
    Nov 4, 2016 12:45 PM

    And the morons at Park Avenue wonder why fewer and fewer of us are watching NFL games.

    Geez, compared to the excitement and good vibes of this year’s wonderful World Series, the NFL totally sucks. After watching those seven games, I’m seriously beginning to think about going back to baseball and leaving in the dust football and all of Goodell’s inept management of a once great league.

    ———-

    I’ve been thinking the same thing. I’d forgotten what it was like to watch a game without more commercial time than game time.

  22. Some people seem to get upset at the wrong things. The real problem with Ken Stabler and the Hall of Fame is that they waited to after he died to vote him in. Then he would have been able to receive the jacket and ring in person. That’s a huge issue. This new thing is a tiny issue.

  23. Pro-football is the goose that lays the Golden Egg.
    The NFL (Roger GODell) is the owner of the goose who’s willing to kill it via over exploitation.

    Do we really need London games and all that entails (extra wear and tear on the teams involved)?
    Do we really need Thursday night football?
    Players can barely hold up through a season of 16 games what effect will 18 have on the players?

    Greedy to the point of stupid – thanks for wrecking a great game.

  24. That goes to show you that they really don’t think he should be in the HOF. They must have been forced to put him in or else in would have been in when he was living.

  25. Look, the committee voted him in… which means he should receive all the honors he is deserved.

    If he is no longer living then those honors should be passed on to the next of kin. Just give a jacket and ring to the man’s family, it will probably mean a great deal to them!

    Pretty simple, how they could mess this up is amazing. Basic PR!

  26. Long time Raider Fan and although it would be great if they gave the family a jacket and ring, it would be great if you noted that they did give the frame a very nice frame jacket patch which also included other HOF items in it. It was given to the family at the Raiders home game. Leaving this out makes it sound like the HOF did nothing at all which is not the case.

  27. Am I the only one who read the headline in shock, wondering wtf horrible things Stabler did to deserve such disgrace, only to open it and nope, it’s just Goodell has found another new bottom?

    However, it would have been more thorough and objective to at least briefly mention who else is on the committee, and from which NFL demographics (players, coaches, former players, media, etc.)

  28. stupid decision by a league I once really liked that is now run by greedy stupid stooges.

    every decision is the wrong one, every single once….thats really hard to do….gotta give the ginger hammer props for that.

  29. Petty!!

    Let’s really embarrass the NFL by each one of us donating a dollar to the HOF so they will have the money to buy Stabler’s family the jacket and ring.

    Unbelievable!!

  30. Wow, they wait till the man is dead to induct him and now they won’t give the family keepsakes he earned. This is another reason why fans are turning away.

  31. Have the ring and jacket ever been awarded posthumously? If not, then it’s a policy I disagree with, but understand. If they have been awarded posthumously before and they are simply choosing not to do so in this case, then it’s an outrage.

  32. Give the Snake his due. He deserves the jacket and the ring. Tell David Baker to put down the twinkie and get Snake/his family his jacket and ring. If I were the Stablers, I would tell the NFL to stick their Hall where the sun don’t shine.

  33. I would like to know who the owners are who are on this committee????? I’m not so sure that Goodell is solely to blame, if at all, for this travesty!!!! He is an “employee” of the owners……

  34. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if someone spots Goodell sporting a gold jacket and a suspicious looking ring sometime soon.

  35. This may be the most unanimous comments section in the history of PFT. The NFL is really stepping in it these days.

    They brought it on themselves though. They wanted no off-season in NFL “happenings” and now they are awash with bad image stories. Goodell’s name is in the news daily. I don’t have an opinion on him or an axe to grind like some fans in the northeast but this is just an ugly story that any idiot could have prevented. So I have to assume that this guy is some sort of advanced prototype weapons-grade idiot.

  36. On the one hand, yeah it makes sense not to give a jacket or ring to one who is deceased. Up until about a decade or two ago, this would not have been given a second thought because it was probably just the accepted norm.

    On the other hand, it’s also completely tone deaf, especially in this day age. It’s only natural to have family members attend the Hall of Fame ceremony, and if the one being inducted into the HOF is deceased, it is a classy move to honor the inducted by presenting a jacket and a ring.

    But then again, the NFL is being run much like our nation right now; common sense has no place among the erudite elitists who run each.

  37. Rog Goodell, the Owners and their Army of Lawyers would cheat a poor widow out of her last cent, would bulldoze an orphanage or homeless shelter to build statues of themselves and pretty much any other callous despicable acts of greed you can think of. Scum. Every Single One of Them.

  38. The next time someone spouts off to you about how unregulated private enterprise is the be-all, end-all solution to every problem under the sun, just remember that the 31+ clowns presently driving American pro football into an early grave represent the supposed crème de la crème of elite American business minds today, across a wide range of fields.

  39. What would you guys expect from the HOF or the league? we’ve see them screw things up time and again. It’s only gonna get worse from here. Oh wait.

  40. First there was no Raider memorabilia in his display and now his family doesn’t get a Jacket or Ring. There is clearly an old guard faction of NFL owners who are biased towards the Raiders.

  41. What insensitive sob’s the hall of fame is. Either they are the cheapest idiots or they just dislike any Oakland Raiders. When viewership is down and a lot of people think the NFL is becoming boring, they pull this nightmare stunt.

  42. inozwetrust says:
    Nov 4, 2016 1:19 PM

    Petty!!

    Let’s really embarrass the NFL by each one of us donating a dollar to the HOF so they will have the money to buy Stabler’s family the jacket and ring.
    ———————-

    Screw that. Those billionaires can scrape together two or four hundred a piece to buy a ring and a jacket for his family.

    That’s about 5 minutes worth of beer sales at any stadium.

  43. Maybe, after all these years, the NFL mistakenly believes that Stabler was an ACTUAL snake. He would, therefore have no appendages on which to display a ring or a blazer.

  44. possumsauce says:
    Nov 4, 2016 1:40 PM
    The next time someone spouts off to you about how unregulated private enterprise is the be-all, end-all solution to every problem under the sun, just remember that the 31+ clowns presently driving American pro football into an early grave represent the supposed crème de la crème of elite American business minds today, across a wide range of fields.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I see them more as the crème de la crème of American grifters.

  45. Owners onHall of Fame committee:
    Cowboys Jones
    Browns Haslem
    Bears McCasky
    Steelers Rooney
    Redskins Snyder
    Titans Adams-Strunk
    49ers Bartolo-York

    Couple of these make no sense. But hey, it’s the NFL.

  46. brendafortheboyz says:
    Nov 4, 2016 1:24 PM

    I would like to know who the owners are who are on this committee????? I’m not so sure that Goodell is solely to blame, if at all, for this travesty!!!! He is an “employee” of the owners……
    ———————-

    Goodell is the damned commissioner of the NFL. Blame for every misstep or disaster lays solely at his feet.

    These billionaires are too busy touring the continent, watching polo matches, and engaging in fox hunts to have time to tell Goodell how to do his job.

  47. Shameful and disgusting! The players and the Player’s Association should raise Holy Hell about this disrespect toward one of their own. Coaches and the remaining owners should grow a set and show some integrity, put their collective feet down and show the Commissioner who pays his salary and has the final say!
    And the NFL wonders why fans are losing interest?
    This is also part of the “integrity of the game” we hear so much about. Please do the honorable thing here.

  48. Man the NFL is turning into the old USFL faster and faster:

    Petty
    Cheap
    Pathetic
    Putrid

    What disrespect for one of the true greats as the QB position. I guess The Snake’s political INCORRECTNESS doesn’t appeal to Commissioner Wimp.

  49. I thought that back during the whole HoF game kerfuffle, the NFL claimed that the HoF wasn’t run by the NFL.

  50. Not a Raiders fan but suddenly my trip back east next year will not include a sidetrip to Canton.
    RIP Snake.

  51. Feeling better everyday about my decision to entirely boycott the NFL.
    _____________________________________
    That’s why you are on a pro football board posting about the NFL??

  52. The HOF is not in the business of providing comforting keepsakes for family members of deceased players. The family would probably sell the items in a generation anyways.

    But go ahead, blame Goodell for this too…

  53. It’s funny how everyone is blaming Goddell for this one. Goddell should be blamed for most things but in this case he has absolutely nothing to do with it. The Pro Football Hall of Fame is not the NFL. Blame them for this cluster^&*$. They’re the reason why the game was cancelled this year as well.

  54. I’m not sure if this will get posted, but the true travesty is the Snake Stabler didn’t get enshrined during his lifetime, while other QBs who weren’t any better (like Dan Fouts, Joe Namath) got in long ago. This owes primarily to the vendetta that Paul Zimmerman (who was influential on the selections) had against Stabler for years despite the fact that Snake never did any harm to “Dr. Z”

  55. militantgod says:
    Nov 4, 2016 2:57 PM

    It’s funny how everyone is blaming Goddell for this one.
    ————————

    I blame Goodell for everything wrong with the NFL, whether it is his fault or not.

  56. Just call the HOF offices over and over and say Ken Stabler is a HOF and by the way Black Lives Matter….his family will have a jacket, ring and keys to the front door of the hall of fame before the end of the day. It doesn’t matter that Stabler was white when they here BLM mentioned game over keys to the store.

  57. Of course they won’t.

    It’s because he is a RAIDER.

    Scheduling, phantom calls from the ref and disrespecting a HOF player.

    All par for the course for Raiders fans and players.

    The league is a joke.

    Eff the NFL, eff Roger and eff any fan of the other 31 that doesn’t feel the same way.

    Go Raiders

  58. Ken Stabler, good guy. I am sorry that he died, but he shouldn’t be in the HOF. I mean come on, he threw more interceptions 222 than he did touchdowns 194. Completion percentage of less than 60% and averaged around 150 yards passing per game. Not a transformational player IMHO. Shouldn’t be in the HOF.

  59. And people wonder why us Raider fans’ cry “foul”. Why even induct the guy if you are going to turn around and do this???

    I can’t wait to hear what nonsense the league rolls out to justify yet another PR disaster.

    I’m really starting to think money in excess and stupidity go hand in hand!

    Is this a standard rule for those voted in posthumously that we never knew about???? Or is it a new standard being set in “honor” of the Raiders?

  60. Hey now, it’s not like the NFL is made of money. If they gave these things to all deceased honorees, it could end up costing… well, a few thousands dollars, probably! How do you expect them to run a league that way?

  61. Not a Raider fan, but something to ponder. If one of the so called “Football Royalty” aka the Manning’s as appointed by BSPN were in the same situation would the HOF take the same path?

  62. odde30 says:
    Nov 4, 2016 3:08 PM

    Ken Stabler, good guy. I am sorry that he died, but he shouldn’t be in the HOF. I mean come on, he threw more interceptions 222 than he did touchdowns 194. Completion percentage of less than 60% and averaged around 150 yards passing per game. Not a transformational player IMHO. Shouldn’t be in the HOF.

    ____________________________________
    By those standards that you gave, Joe Namath, Bob Griese, Sonny Jurgensen and many others wouldn’t be in the Hall.

    During Stabler’s playing time teams rarely threw the ball more than 25 times a game. Unlike today where QB’s can throw up to 60 passes in a game. It was a different league back then. The only QB during that time putting up really good numbers was Dan Fouts .Ole Dan never set foot on a field in a superbowl as a player.

    What makes the NFL Hall of Fame unique is that it’s not based soley on your numbers. They factor in the “impact” you had on the game. Gale Sayers only played 6 years but is in the Hall and deservedly so. He did things back then that backs today still don’t do, so you can’t base it soley on statistics like baseball does.

  63. todde30 says:
    Nov 4, 2016 3:08 PM

    Ken Stabler, good guy. I am sorry that he died, but he shouldn’t be in the HOF. I mean come on, he threw more interceptions 222 than he did touchdowns 194. Completion percentage of less than 60% and averaged around 150 yards passing per game. Not a transformational player IMHO. Shouldn’t be in the HOF.

    =============

    Patently ridiculous since Stabler played in a different era to Montana, Marino, P. Manning, etc. Before the 1978 rules changes which decapitated defenses (for the purpose of opening up the passing game), NO HOF QBs had career completion percentages near 60%. For instance Johnny Unitas (arguably still GOAT) had a career completion percentage of 54.6%, Otto Graham 55.8%, Roger Staubach 57%.

    As for throwing more INTs then TDs, Joe Namath was ‘worse’ than Snake at that and yet he got in easily. So did others like Bobby Layne, so that invalidates that part of what you said.

    Stabler deserves to get in because he was transformational
    in that only Roger Staubach from the same era (before the 1978 rules changes) was as good at the 2 minute drill. Montana was also great at the 2 minute drill but that was after he had the benefit of the rules change

  64. Stabler was the beneficiary of “The Original Tuck Rule Game.” No, he did not regain possession after a fumble by virtue of having “tucked” the ball in towards his chest before losing possession. Rather he was the beneficiary of a similarly insane rule. In the 1970’s, the NFL deemed ANY contact above a quarterback’s shoulds to be considered “roughing the passer.” No questions asked. Well in December 1976 he beneffitted from an extremely questionable call that vaulted the Raiders to the Super Bowl, and sent a talented Patriots team home. It took another 25 years to reverse that curse in 2001. It’s 2016 now and the Patriots are the winningest franchise of the last quarter century. I figure the Raiders have another 10 years to go, regardless of what Derek Carr does. LOLzzz.

  65. mullman76 says:
    Nov 4, 2016 3:06 PM

    All par for the course for Raiders fans and players.
    ——————————

    I’m going to take a knee during the National Anthem to protest the oppression of Raiders fans by the NFL.

    #rflm

  66. This is an abomination and the powers that be at the HOF should be taken out back to the woodshed.

  67. Roger is probably going to go down in history as one of the worst people to ever be involved with professional sports. His legacy is horrible…but then again why would he care at all ,his bank account lets him sleep peacefully at night.

  68. harrisonhits2 says:
    Nov 4, 2016 12:28 PM

    Its like the morons at 345 Park Ave go into their morning meeting every day and the first thing asked is –

    “How can we make ourselves look even more like incompetent buffoons than we already do?”

    —————————————————————
    Well to be fair,most of these Bozos are former New
    York Jets employees.

  69. Come on. It really makes u think about the fact that when someone at the HOF asked “Hey, what size jacket and ring do we order for The Snake?” Someone actually replied and said “Oh, we are not giving him either”. What a joke. Then the NFL sits around and wonders why they are under the heat and light all the time. Unreal

  70. You guys are a bunch of whiners. There have a few HOFs from the 40s, 50s & 60s that died before enshrinement that also never recieved a jacket or ring, yet none of you guys ever complained.

    Oh, but now it’s Goodell and every yahoo comes out of the woodwork and cries like a baby.

  71. Whilst I completely agree that a hall of fame should go beyond the lifetime of each player, the NFL aren’t alone in this ridiculous line of thinking. AS far as I’m aware, the Nobel Prize is still only given to those who still have a pulse.

    James Watson and Francis Crick worked together on studying the structure of DNA and ‘borrowed’ heavily on the work of Rosalind Franklin. Though her contribution has been rightly recognised, she was denied her part of the Nobel Prize having died a few years prior to its award.

  72. Its bad enough they waited till he died to put him in the HOF but now this? They should be ashamed of themselves for the way they have treated one of the most popular ( and great ) QBs in the history of the NFL.

    Shame on you HoF.

  73. This is just dumb. Like, do they not have a PR team screaming at them how dumb this is? Bad enough that they can’t figure it out on their own, but COME ON.

  74. Stabler is a legendary name, but not a legendary HOF caliber player. Reality is the HOF has been watered down so that even he “belongs”.
    Nothing against his legacy, but they are letting too many marginal players in the HOF – or players that have crap stats but might have been lucky enough to be on a great team and earned some rings (donkeys would be the exception with the
    “earning rings” statement as we all know they cheated to get their rings – pats too.. but i digress)

    Stabler was a great, just not HOF great.

    a little better than archie manning – but then again, some ppl think he belongs in the hall too.

  75. I can’t say I think he’s HOF material, but this is beyond stupid. C’mon, NFL. You elected him, honor him.
    Now PFT, how about telling us who else got stiffed like this so that their families can get what’s due as well. This can’t be the first time this idiot rule kicked in.

  76. Yet another great example of how pathetic the NFL has become.

    I hope I live to see the day this league completely goes down the crapper when even the most diehard fans say “enough” and quit giving their money to these people.

  77. One question. When all these HOF players die, who gets the mementos he left behind. Typically the current spouse or children designated in the will so alll these items are with the family anyway. I think the HOF is being short sighted. The estate can claim the HOF is denying the family those items and sue, and win hands down. It’s like an Oscar. The family gets it, they aren’t allow to sell it or if they do, it goes back to the Oscar organization.

  78. It seems to me that Goodell and some of the “powers the be” of the NFL are trying to do their best to do the WRONG things nowadays. I am not sure if they have the “faintest clue” of how the NFL is doing public relations wise. Attendance if off, TV ratings are off, merchandising is off, etc. They really need to open their ears and eyes and listen to the fans or it ain’t going to get any better.

  79. I know, even though this decision was made my Committee for which Goodell has no jurisdiction, lets blame good old Rog anyway. I blame Rog for everything. It empowers me and makes me feel like part of the Fan Boy Army and we are forever unified as blood brothers. How cool is that? March on men!

  80. This is the same kind of out of touch non sensical move like the NFL only fined Rice 2 games!

    C’mon NFL, get with it!

    If enough people wrote the HOF and the NFL in a public protest the HOF would find a jacket in ring lickety split!

  81. I can’t believe Stabler is the first player to go in posthumostly Even if he is, this cheap move by the Hall is disgracefull. Why am I not surprised though.

  82. Of course Goodell and the owners are heavily involved in the management and operations of the Pro Football Hall of Fame. And a decision like that was not a simple oversight or carry over from a policy made years ago. It was a conscious effort to keep the family out of the accomplishment. Pretty small minded at a minimum. Pretty disgusting at its face value.

  83. babygaga19 says:
    Nov 4, 2016 6:10 PM

    I know, even though this decision was made my Committee for which Goodell has no jurisdiction, lets blame good old Rog anyway. I blame Rog for everything. It empowers me and makes me feel like part of the Fan Boy Army and we are forever unified as blood brothers. How cool is that? March on men!
    ———————————

    I love it when ladies come one here and cry and moan about how Roger is only a puppet of the owners, and how his only job is to take bullets for the owners, and then those bozos get in a dither when people fire bullets at Goodell.

  84. Every time you get mad at something, instead of saying GD__nit, say ROGER GOODELL IT! Try it, it works. Let’s show him who is boss! Fan Boy Army United as ONE1!

  85. @lanman11: Everything is not about your patsies.

    I’ve seen the tape, it was roughing the passer.

    Although the Raiders have been horrible for the the last 15yrs, I’m sure they won’t suck for 25yrs in a row like your patsies.

    Stop being a typical patsy fan and lose the arrogance.

    Time to grow up a little.

    Carry on.

    Go Raiders

  86. Statement from the HOF

    The Hall of Fame has never presented either of these two personal items posthumously. The Hall of Fame does present to the family of a posthumously elected Hall of Famer, the Gold Hall of Fame Crest that is featured on the Hall of Fame Gold Jacket. This is done during Enshrinement Week at the Hall of Fame Gold Jacket Dinner when the other Class members are presented their Gold Jackets.

  87. todde30 says:
    Nov 4, 2016 3:08 PM

    Ken Stabler, good guy. I am sorry that he died, but he shouldn’t be in the HOF. I mean come on, he threw more interceptions 222 than he did touchdowns 194. Completion percentage of less than 60% and averaged around 150 yards passing per game. Not a transformational player IMHO. Shouldn’t be in the HOF.
    __________________________________

    Ah, the stats guy. I take it Todd you subscribe to PFF too?

    True connoisseur’s of the game subscribe to the eye test. When it was late, game on the line, Kenny came through. Kenny was a winner. That’s what brings in the $$ to the league. Fans rather watch that than any statistical qb racking up numbers.

    Guys like Rivers and Fouts are losers. Carr and Stabler are winners. We know who deserves to be in the hall

  88. I don’t think the estate of the guy should get a jacket or ring. Think about it. Let’s say a guy dies in 2016, and he’s elected to the HOF in 2029. The estate has been distributed, everyone would fight to be the family member that gets the jacket, the others sue, the NFL is dragged into a mess. Forget it: no ring or jacket.

    Once more, the NFL is smart, not fatally sentimental.

  89. mullman76 says:
    Nov 4, 2016 7:44 PM

    @lanman11: Everything is not about your patsies.

    I’ve seen the tape, it was roughing the passer.

    that play defined tacky tack calls from an admitted raider fan ben drieth

  90. Geez, compared to the excitement and good vibes of this year’s wonderful World Series, the NFL totally sucks. After watching those seven games, I’m seriously beginning to think about going back to baseball and leaving in the dust football and all of Goodell’s inept management of a once great league.

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    I’ve been thinking the same thing. I’d forgotten what it was like to watch a game without more commercial time than game time.

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    Use your VCR on an NFL broadcast and never watch another commercial again.

  91. I hope Brady becomes the first living member to not receive either. He doesn’t deserve enshrinement for cheating. Stabler was a good QB but he’s not HOF worthy like Flacco is. Flacco is elite while Stable was just very good.

  92. “Stabler was a good QB but he’s not HOF worthy like Flacco is. Flacco is elite while Stable was just very good.”

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    You …… ROFL ……… are ……….YUCK, YUCK ……. REALLY, ………..on the floor now …… KIDDING, RIGHT?????

    Joe Flacco is not even MVP worthy! He is, at best, an adequate QB. How many championships does he have?? Let’s don’t talk about Super Bowls, let’s just talk about AFC championships. Let’s talk about Division championships. How many does he have??

    You win for the most hilarious comment of the day, comparing Joe Flacco to Ken “Snake” Stabler!!

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