HOF: Posthumous enshrinees don’t get jacket or ring

The Hall of Fame has generated a perfunctory, and expected, explanation for the decision to not give Ken Stabler’s family a gold jacket and a ring. To get the jacket and the ring, the enshrinee must be still alive.

“[E]very living Hall of Fame member receives a Hall of Fame Gold Jacket and a Hall of Fame Ring of Excellence to wear as symbols of his personal Hall of Fame achievement,” the Hall of Fame said in a statement provided to Deadspin. “The Hall of Fame has never presented either of these two personal items posthumously. The Hall of Fame does present to the family of a posthumously elected Hall of Famer, the Gold Hall of Fame Crest that is featured on the Hall of Fame Gold Jacket. This is done during Enshrinement Week at the Hall of Fame Gold Jacket Dinner when the other Class members are presented their Gold Jackets.”

While the statement explains why Stabler’s family didn’t get a jacket and a ring, it’s not an acceptable explanation. All members should get a gold jacket and a ring.

And please don’t give me the “we don’t want family members to fight over the items” excuse. The estate laws resolve those issues, and those same estate laws will apply to the gold jacket and ring actually issued to a living Hall of Famer and not repossessed when he passes.

It’s surprising the policy previously hasn’t come under scrutiny, and Stabler’s family deserves credit for shining a light on the ill-advised loophole. If “Football is Family” is anything other than an overpriced marketing slogan (oh wait, it is), the family of every member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame should be able to treat the gold jacket and ring as football family heirlooms.

So make it happen, Roger Goodell; you’re on the Hall of Fame’s Board of Trustees. So are Browns owner Jimmy Haslam, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, Bears owner George McCaskey, Steelers owner Dan Rooney, Washington owner Daniel Snyder, and 49ers owner Denise DeBartolo York.

Maybe each of them should be asked the simple and direct question of why they don’t insist that all member of the Hall of Fame receive the jacket and ring, regardless of whether they are alive when inducted.

With Stabler’s Raiders playing in prime time on Sunday night, here’s hoping this issue quickly builds steam until the policy is permanently changed.

99 responses to “HOF: Posthumous enshrinees don’t get jacket or ring

  1. Goodell makes $40,000,000.00 per year in a $9,500,000,000.00 industry – but they cheap out on the legends of the game who were elected after they died.

    Absolutely B R U T A L ! ! !

  2. What a joke of a policy. With all the money in the NFL they can’t give the family a jacket and ring? You’ve got to be kidding.

  3. .
    They will not get one because of, kneeling during anthems!!!!
    keep denying that is the main reason.

  4. The NFL (and i’m including the HOF in there because let’s face it, they are) is so quick to change long standing rules of the game, while players and fans opinions be damned. So quick to hand out penalty’s that seem way over the top and agitate fan bases in the name of the game…
    This makes absolutely zero sense. And they wonder why rating are going down? This is just the latest in a long line of ridiculous changes or wrong doing that fans of the NFL look at and shake their head. No leadership is worse than bad leadership. Unfortunately, the NFL has both.

  5. So millions in bad publicity over saving what, maybe a grand or two! NFL wonders why fans are turning them off. Crap like this is not helping them!

  6. This is an embarrassment.
    These men helped build the NFL They weren’t making the millions that today’s players make. Nearly all of them had jobs in the off season because they needed them to support their families. Equipment wasn’t as good, practice was tougher, surgeries were not as good and injuries could be career ending. All the Games weren’t on tv, you only saw highlights on a newsreel at a sports night at your church. Show your appreciation for the men who’s shoulders you are standing on and give their families a couple of tokens of appreciation.

  7. Just when you think Goodell and his pals have hit rock bottom, they always find new and creative ways to further embarrass themselves and “the Shield”.

  8. David Baker, about as big of a huckster as football has. Wrecked the Arena league, then pulled the HOF game fraud earlier this year.

    A first step would be ridding themselves of that giant clown.

  9. Very disheartening. It seems most decency is falling apart. I didn’t think the NFL could shock me anymore

  10. this is why more and more people HATE the league

    …stupidity, cheapness, greed, arrogance…..all these words should be on the friggin shield.

  11. bspurloc says:
    Nov 4, 2016 10:21 PM
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    They will not get one because of, kneeling during anthems!!!!
    keep denying that is the main reason.
    —————————————————————–
    Ya, that’s the reason that popped into my head too. NOV 9th get here quick

  12. I agree.
    Thumbs down me all you want but why should the members who didn’t do all the work reap the rewards of those before them who did?

  13. bspurloc says:
    Nov 4, 2016 10:21 PM

    .
    They will not get one because of, kneeling during anthems!!!!
    keep denying that is the main reason.
    ==============================
    do people actually care about this crap? it doesnt even get mentioned anymore.

  14. This is absolutely ridiculous. I officially have lost all respect for the HOF. I am still angry Stabler wasn’t put in decades ago. They robbed the world of what would have been an epic induction speech, now this.

  15. Excuse me, but I agree with this policy. You make a jacket and a ring for someone to wear; both get lost or stolen or discarded or sold. The bust stays forever in the appropriate place.
    And a negative shout-out to all you Goodell haters when in fact it is a larger committee that sets this policy. Goodell answers to many voices and committees and lawyers, but it is so easy and satisfying to demonize one person.

    Stan

  16. If it’s a longstanding rule, oh well, so be it. How about not dragging enshrinement out so long that a guy doesn’t get the chance to receive the honor.

  17. Did Reggie White’s family get the jacket and ring? Of course, those items aren’t given for free. According to Brett Favre, they (the HOFer) has to pay for them.

    If this is their policy though, this is their policy. It’s not as if they’re doing this because they don’t like the Stabler family or something.

  18. Oh so there’s a POLICY….well now that changes everything, doesn’t it? I mean, OF COURSE it’s all right to go cheapskate and stiff the families of dead NFL legends if there’s a POLICY. Business IS Business, after all. On that note, I propose that all HOFers over the age of 50 be required to LEASE their Jacket and Ring. After all, they’re ALMOST dead, and surely won’t be needing them once they finally “kick off,” will they? Business IS Business, AMIRITE???

  19. Little dweeb pencil-pusher millionaires who never played the game at this level go cheap. THEY are disgraced, not the players they dishonor.

  20. I went to the HOF in Canton years ago. It wasn’t worth it then, and it’s definately not worth it now.

  21. HOF can’t even get the paint on the field right, so I don’t expect them to get other basic stuff right.

  22. At least they’re going to save some money. I’m sure they’ll put that into having permanent officials….

  23. This is why football is going down the tubes, greedy old men who want more, more, more, while giving less. This attitude sickens me. Billions of dollars in their pockets and they are to cheap to spend what…. a couple thousand at most (and I’m high balling the crap out of it) for a ring and jacket for the family of then deceased that they are still making money on.

    Absolutely sickening.

  24. No wonder ratings keep plummeting, the nfl is a pr disaster starting with goodell. Stabler and past players made the game great, goodell through his gaffes has made the nfl very difficult for some to stand by the game.

  25. All HOF inductees should get a ring & jacket, even if posthumous.

    Not like the NFL can’t afford it.

  26. All the abuse these men put their bodies through for this league to make millions, and you can’t afford to give deceased HOF members’ families a jacket and a ring whose combined value may barely crack four figures? Sad, sad I say

  27. This is really stupid. It isn’t like the family can take the bust home with them.

    My dad died before he was inducted into the hall of fame and all I got was a lousy patch.

    For all the gloss and money, the NFL is like a dysfunctional Elks lodge.

  28. Why the hell is a guy like Jimmy Haslam on the Hall of Fame Board of Trustees? .. What has he done for football other than pay a huge fee to be the face of suck in Cleveland.

  29. This..is just pitiful.

    Why is it….that everything Goodell is tied into…carries the word CLUSTER next to it.

    Stablers’ family deserves the jacket and ring….He was so much fun to watch

  30. Wow. Thank you, HOF. A stupid explanation for a stupider policy, literally designed to appease NO ONE.

    Go ahead, HOF: get dumber!

    Oh, and by the way, how’s the field looking? Ready for the big game?

  31. can Goodell do anything right? everything he’s apart of just makes himself and the owners look worse.. his nonstop attempt at making himself look like hes important by changing 20 rules a year, and his feeble attempt at trying to say “football is family”. He’s so arrogant that he thinks that’s all he needs to do to get the population back on his side. He really has no idea how to get people to like him again

  32. paulieorkid says:
    Nov 4, 2016 10:18 PM
    Goodell makes $40,000,000.00 per year in a $9,500,000,000.00 industry – but they cheap out on the legends of the game who were elected after they died.

    Absolutely B R U T A L ! ! !

    ——-

    You’re wrong…

    The industry is actually around 12,000,000,000.00. Might be north of that this year, I think.

    I don’t know how much a jacket and ring costs, but I’m assuming it’s not going to break the bank.

  33. Look who is on that committee ! If you dropped your wallet they may not pick it up but they sure wouldn’t tell you that you did!

  34. The estate laws resolve those issues, and those same estate laws will apply to the gold jacket and ring actually issued to a living Hall of Famer and not repossessed when he passes.
    ——————————————————-
    I am a CPA.

    One big problem with this point.
    If the estate is formally closed, there is no estate that the items can go to. After someone dies, and all the items have been resolved and distributed, the estate closes. This is usually done within a year.

    So if the estate is closed, there would be a fight as to who gets what.

  35. I’d love in the next round of the CBA that the players negotiate for the owners to be interviewed each week like the players after games.

    I’d love to hear these owners explain these HoF positions and others.

  36. Yet if a very popular former player had died in a tragic accident just before “enshrinement” you can be certain the league would make a big PR presentation, putting the jacket on (or giving a ring to) his son or something. When will fools understand, HoF was never about honoring great players it’s all about league self (serving) promotion.

  37. You know the policy makes sense because, um, well………ya it doesn’t.

    Especially when a man’s death makes the committee realize, oops we might need to get that guy in.

  38. Stabler family needs to boycott the ceremony. Absolutely absurd policy. If the NFL wants to make changes this would be a good place to start.

  39. Goodell will say that he and the owners who are trustees are only a small number of the total number of trustees. But let’s just take one example of the group, Jerry Jones. He has been nominated to be inducted in February 2017. If voted in but dies prior to that, who believes that the Jones family would not get a jacket and a ring?

    Exactly! Make it happen.

  40. It must be a money saving move. That explains why they wait until great players pass away before they get enshrined and why all time greats like Jerry Kramer are not in yet.

  41. The collection of human filth running the league these days is disgusting and sickening

  42. “So make it happen, Roger Goodell; you’re on the Hall of Fame’s Board of Trustees. So are Browns owner Jimmy Haslam, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, Bears owner George McCaskey, Steelers owner Dan Rooney, Washington owner Daniel Snyder, and 49ers owner Denise DeBartolo York.”

    Well there’s a brain trust…

  43. I really don’t see the problem. If the person whose accomplishments earned that ring and jacket is dead then no ring or jacket. I don’t recall his family playing alongside him on the football field.

  44. I’m with the league on this one. Making a clothing or accessory item, in this case a jacket and ring, for a dead guy makes no sense. You could argue for the ring I suppose because of it’s permanence, but it’s still a bit weird to be making something like that for a long deceased person. These aren’t items you typically display, they are items the deserving individual wears. A plaque in this case would make more sense, as that is meant to display and memorialize. The family begging for a ring the recipient never even touched or saw seems more like a money thing to me.

  45. sfitz0076 says:
    Nov 5, 2016 7:34 AM
    I could not begin to care less about this story.
    ========================================
    On the list of NFL crimes over the years, this one is pretty low level.

    This is an Stabler threw more picks than touchdowns and is in because he played on a great team which was on national tv in the 70s as much as anyone other than Bradshaw. Basically, if you played on Pittsburgh, Dallas, or Oakland, you’re in if you were very good. The composition of the Hall of Fame is just weird. Once I understand how Ty Law is out or didn’t even make the final 15 finalists, then I’ll care about a freaking jacket going to Stabler’s widow.

  46. It’s SO easy for Lawyers. I want a Purple Heart Ribbon for “Name your plaintiff lawyer’. I was wronged. I’m going to go choke on take out chicken and SUE! HOF equals private company. Want the benefits of capitalism, take the worts.

  47. I see no problem with this, it’s just pc America can’t handle it.

    The guys in the hof, he’ll be remembered for ever, why does the family need a jacket and ring? To sell on ebay?

  48. Stabler is hardly the first posthumous inductee yet this is the first we have heard of this policy. Were they the first family to ask about the jacket and ring? I can understand the logic behind giving the crest rather than the jacket but the ring?

  49. I can see it now. Roger Goodell in the most feeble and misguided attempt EVER to repair this bad PR, will decide to give a jacket and ring to the Stabler family……only to actually bill them them for it, add shipping & handling and throw on a “luxury tax” to make the NFL even more money.

  50. A cheap fix that could begin the process of rehabilitating the NFL’s tarnished shield. Will they or won’t they? The fact that the odds are against it happening shows just how pathetic the state of the NFL is.

  51. Jerry Jones HOF board of trustee member better hope he lasts until the induction ceremony

  52. This isn’t an unreasonable policy; those are personal apparel items, especially the jacket. Curious if Stabler’s family would be keeping them or auctioning them off.

  53. I’ll never understand ham handed moves like this, especially with an organization ultra focused on PR moves.

    They had a product that was winning and people wanted to love.
    It’s like they can’t get out of the way of themselves.

  54. I can appreciate both sides of the argument on this issue, but I support the HoF’s position. This has always been the policy and I don’t understand why they would change it now just because one inductee’s family is complaining.

    The problem is that what happens when a guy that has been dead for twenty years gets inducted? You’re going to have an ugly legal free for all between all the eligible heirs pulling and tugging to decide who gets what. Everyone clamoring for Stabler’s family to get a ring today will then turn around and blame the Hall for the mess.

    The current situation is not perfect, but it’s the way it’s always been and should remain.

  55. Shame is the only word I can think of!

    Remember when they didn’t allow the Seau family to speak and the reversed their decision.

    Remember when the HOF game was cancelled.

    Remember when the NFL was a beautiful entertaining product.

    Remember an NFL before Roger Goodell.

    Let the ratings keep dropping, that is the only sure barometer on the need for necessary changes at the highest level.

    Retroactively, posthumous inductees families should be given a jacket and a ring; no half measures.

    Raider Nation will be quiet on this one!

  56. I am lodging a formal protest by not watching my team this Monday night. I live equal distance between DC and Baltimore so I never get to see my team on TV. The rule changes and Goodell have me fed up. I might tune back in closer to playoffs…

  57. The HOF’s posthumophobia is an insult to this nation’s hardworking Zombie-Americans. We demand the honors to which we are entitled, and also delicious brains.

  58. Think of how touching a scene it would be if, after a short Ken Stabler retrospective film, we got to see them hand his loved ones a folded gold jacket and a HOF ring in an opened box. Even if they really don’t give a damn about people, it’d make for great tv and great PR. It won’t happen, however. Whenever they don’t want to do something, they fall back on the notion of tradition. Whenever they want to shake things up, they talk about how innovative they are. Their consistency in these areas is matched only by the consistency of their legal arguments when it comes to whether or not they should be considered one league or 32 separate teams.

  59. When the Stabler family was informed of the “policy” for deceased players inducted, one of his daughters, Kendra Stabler Moyes offered to buy the jacket and ring. The President of the HOF, David Baker told her they couldn’t buy it because they “don’t want families selling it”, “they don’t want family members fighting over it.

    I guess that explains it all!

  60. “If you want to make a change how about not using members of the media to pick inductees.”

    IIRC it’s the living Hall inductees who make the choice.

    I’m all for the families of players inducted posthumously getting the jacket and ring. I’m just not sure Stabler belongs in the Hall, as his “excellence” always seemed to be based more on image and the Raiduhs’ defense than on actual production. Didn’t he hold the league record for playoff games lost until Dan Marino came along?

  61. whathaveyou55 says:
    Nov 5, 2016 6:40 PM
    “If you want to make a change how about not using members of the media to pick inductees.”

    IIRC it’s the living Hall inductees who make the choice.

    I’m all for the families of players inducted posthumously getting the jacket and ring. I’m just not sure Stabler belongs in the Hall, as his “excellence” always seemed to be based more on image and the Raiduhs’ defense than on actual production. Didn’t he hold the league record for playoff games lost until Dan Marino came along?
    ________________________________________

    Stabler’s career playoff record was 7-6 with one of those losses coming as QB for the Houston Oilers. Stabler didn’t become a full time starter until the 72′ season. In a 5 year span he led the Raiders to the AFC Championship all 5 years losing to the Dolphins(repeat champs), twice to the Steelers(eventual Superbowl champs both times, and to the Bronco’s when they made it the first time(Raiders got outright hosed on that game. Ironically, it’s the one highlight that’s never shown because the call they made was so bad).

    Now, I’m not addressing this part to you, but what made the NFL HOF so great was that it wasn’t just about statistics. They factor in the “impact” you had on the sport. If it was based soley on stats, alot of QB’s wouldn’t even be in based on the simple fact that until the 80’s, reference Marino and Elway, few teams really threw that ball alot on a normal basis.

    Just to give a little perspective, Bob Griese completed “8” passes in Superbowl VII for 69 yards. But he was on an undefeated team. His career completion percentage was 56.2%. He played on the first back to back Superbowl winners. So his stats are pedestrian to say the least. But no one ever argues him being in the Hall because of what the Dolphins accomplished.

    I hope the HOF for football never becomes like Baseball where it’s just about your statistics. To many variables come into play for a player to make the Hall in football.

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