HOF: Gold jackets, rings are to be worn only by Hall of Famers

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The Pro Football Hall of Fame is standing by its policy not to give gold jackets and rings to the families of players inducted posthumously.

Amid criticism from one of the daughters of Ken Stabler, the former quarterback who was inducted posthumously this year, many have called on the Hall to change that rule and grant the Hall’s signature gold jackets to family members. But the hall of Fame released a statement today saying that it has no plans to change its policy.

“While the iconic bronzed busts are created to memorialize every member of the Hall of Fame, the Hall of Fame Ring and Gold Jacket are items presented to living Hall of Fame members to be worn exclusively by them as evidence and pride of their having been elected to sport’s most elite fraternity,” the statement said. “At no time in its 53-year history has the Hall of Fame presented either of these personal adornments posthumously or retroactively to a family member of a deceased Hall of Famer.”

Stabler’s daughter Kendra Stabler Moyes takes issue with the Hall of Fame’s policy, but her half-sisters Alexa Stabler-Adams and Marissa Stabler say they don’t want their father’s legacy to become ensnared in a dispute with the Hall of Fame.

97 responses to “HOF: Gold jackets, rings are to be worn only by Hall of Famers

  1. If I was one of these multi-billionaires with a love of football, I would create a football league to mimic the NFL of the late 80’s. Everyone signs a waiver and plays real football.

  2. Heck. Let’s go even further. I mean African Americans and women didn’t have the right to vote for the longest time. I don’t see why we should have changed it since the policy had always been to exclude them.

    Do these people even think before they act?

  3. What a bunch of bleep. What happens to the jacket and ring after a player dies? I’m guessing they stay with the family right? So what’s the difference if the HOF just awards them directly to the family if a player is deceased?

    Horrible

  4. So does the HoF then go out and repossess the rings and jackets of enshrined players who subsequently die? Because if not, then this is just more hypocritical doublespeak.

  5. Pretty canny strategy by Goodell – try to distract from the league’s many continued blunders, black eyes, and scandals by having the straw man “independent” HoF publicly exclaim rules and positions that – improbably – make less sense, are dumber, more tone deaf, more self important, and more fun killing than those of the NFL itself. Bravo.

  6. When an HOFer passes away, does the family have to return the jacket and ring so it won’t be worn again?

  7. So then naturally, they retrieve them from the families of dead players who were alive when they were enshrined right? Oh, that would be a terrible thing to do? Yeah, exactly. So your “policy” is a bunch of crap. What a lousy thing to dig your heels in about.

  8. Della Street says:
    Nov 8, 2016 4:00 PM
    I love football, but man do I hate the NFL.
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    I feel you, but the NFL and NFL HOF are separate entities.

  9. Then write a check to the closest immediate family member for cost of both, so they can do something else with the money. All these deceased HOFers made pennies on the dollar, so it would probably be of some help to someone associated with the player.

  10. Angry Orange Man says:
    Nov 8, 2016 4:03 PM
    Della Street says:
    Nov 8, 2016 4:00 PM
    I love football, but man do I hate the NFL.
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    I feel you, but the NFL and NFL HOF are separate entities.

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    BS. They are incestuous.

  11. Once again the”Goodell/Costanza law” kicks in. The opposite of whatever the serial liar does will always be the right thing to do

  12. Maybe the daughter is asking for several. But really give the family 1 jacket and 1 ring (sized for the player) and tell them they can display it only and if they’re found wearing it the HoF can take it back.

  13. nhpats says:
    Nov 8, 2016 3:59 PM
    What will Goodell do if he finds someone other than the HOF member wearing the jacket or the ring?
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    Probably give your guy another four games for being generally aware of the possibility of inheritance.

  14. Are Hall of Famers supposed to make arrangements to send the jacket and ring back when they die?

    I would imagine most families of deceased HOFers put the ring and jacket on display somewhere. The jacket could be put inside a framed glass case. With the ring or the ring goes on a mantle.

    The people that run the NFL seem like the dumbest bunch imaginable.

  15. If the Hall of Famer dies on his way back home after receiving the jacket and the ring, that’s ok. But not if he dies before.

    That sounds stupid. I don’t think his daughter wants to wear the golden jacket. Maybe she just want it on the wall next to all the trophies and pictures of his father, don’t you think?

  16. mvp43 says:
    Nov 8, 2016 4:00 PM
    What a bunch of bleep. What happens to the jacket and ring after a player dies? I’m guessing they stay with the family right? So what’s the difference if the HOF just awards them directly to the family if a player is deceased?
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    The difference is when someone dies, either a will/trust or state law dictates who gets what. It’s FAR easier to deal with the property when you have it at death than trying to sort through figuring it out long after the person has died.

    If an already inducted HOFer dies, its not up to the HOF to figure who gets the property. However if he is already dead and just now getting inducted, I can see the quagmire they’d be walking into (I do fiduciary tax for a living, so just trust me on this) since the estate has long since closed and family members WILL fight over who gets it.

  17. I love how they keep telling us what their policy is, as if that’s somehow an argument against the outrage. Thanks, we got it. The problem isn’t that we don’t know your policy. The problem is that we know your policy and it is disgraceful.

  18. At one point did any member of the Stabler family say that they wanted to WEAR the jacket and the ring? The entire argument that the HOF is trying to make doesn’t even make any sense!

  19. justsayin70 says:
    Nov 8, 2016 4:01 PM

    And just how do they propose to enforce that asinine policy?
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    According to the article up there, that has always been their policy.

  20. Tragically, the repeated example set by President Obama of doubling down on stupid seems to be taking root everywhere. I don’t know what role if any Goodell has in any of this, but we know the names of the owners on the HOF committee. I just hope they are not taking this ridiculous stance thinking it is something they can bargain with when the CBA comes round

  21. snowdood163 says:
    Nov 8, 2016 4:18 PM
    Broncos fan that hates the Raiders here. Give the Snake’s family his damn jacket & ring you ignorant morons. His legacy deserves them.
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    This Chiefs fans strongly agrees. This whole thing is nonsense.

  22. Fine. I now have ZERO desire to visit the Pro Football Hall of Fame or watch their lame preseason game. Screw the NFL, college football is better now anyways from a quality perspective.

  23. Yeah I am sure Stablers grandkids are going to wear the jacket making mud pies in the backyard

  24. Does not mater if ring ends up on Pawn Stars, I think they had some Super Bowl rings, if his daughter wants it give it to her. Snake made NFL a lot of money

  25. So when those HOF pass away the NFL shows up and demands them back.

    I guess the NFL is saying if you die before your enshrinement then it sucks to be you or your loved ones.

    Justice is a 4 letter word to the NFL.

  26. WWNFL – as the stomach turns.
    Used to be a great sport until cheating and soap operas took over.

  27. Sorry fan boys, Goodell is merely a trustee of the HOF, not a director. He has no power to make or enforce the policies of the HOF, which is a separately governed body from the NFL.

  28. Who would determine which family member gets what? Good luck getting every family member on the same page as to that without a dozen lawyers involved.

  29. I don’t think the HOF can control who wears their rings and jackets for any other player that has since passed. However, I don’t think anyone is wearing them. Dummies.

  30. Another PR disaster where the NFL takes a black eye and gets absolutely NOTHING positive out of the deal. How do these morons keep their jobs?

  31. SJWs will be the death of America.

    The ring and jacket is an honor to be worn ONLY by the former player. It’s disgusting that wives/ex-wives/deadbeat children trying to live off the glory of their father/husband.

    And funny how this article glosses over the important details from the HOF statement to create more “drama” and “controversy”.

  32. Where did anyone say Stabler’s family wanted to WEAR the ring and jacket? The statement makes it sound like the Hall is worried that if anything changes suddenly every other person you meet on the street will be in gold blazer.

  33. What really needs to happen now is for bigtime superstar players to start turning down selection into the HOF. Imagine if all-time greats like Brady, Manning, Watt etc., said “No thanks. The HOF is a joke and a fraud and I don’t want my name to be associated with it.” Hall of Shame

  34. psuorioles says:
    Nov 8, 2016 4:50 PM
    I love football, but man do I hate the NFL.

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    Watch college football… it’s a much better product
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    Yes they have a much better playoff system, don’t they?

  35. I said this yesterday… I understand the sentiment, but I don’t believe giving a jacket & ring to people other than the player does any good. The player isn’t here to enjoy them, and he’s the only one that earned the right to wear them. When Kendra Stabler Moyes hosts people in her home, she can tell them that Dad made it to the Hall of Fame. What are the guests going to do, say “You’re lying; prove it”?

    Comparing this to what happens to the jacket/ring when a living HOFer dies is apples to oranges. When a living player gets inducted, he gets his jacket & ring and decides what happens to him when he dies. That’s a totally different scenario from giving the jacket & ring to someone who did nothing to earn them other than being related to the person that earned them.

    I know it sounds cold-hearted, but I agree with the HOF on this one.

  36. There’s no drama here. These are the same rules they have had for decades. As far as Stabler goes, he’s a marginal hall of famer and only in because some believe any star from 70s and 80s Raiders, Steelers, and Cowboys have some divine right to be in the Hall of Fame. If you are as good or even better than Stabler (like Boomer Esiason), you don’t even get a sniff of the HOF because you’re not a Raider. This foolishness needs to end.

  37. mvp43
    What a bunch of bleep. What happens to the jacket and ring after a player dies? I’m guessing they stay with the family right? So what’s the difference if the HOF just awards them directly to the family if a player is deceased?

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    Precisely. The estate can sue the HOF and use this very logic. They would lose. All they have to do is subpoena those relatives of the deceased. I am assuming the family members don’t wear these items.

  38. So do they go get them back once the player dies?

    I’m surprised they even elect people after they die given their view of things.

    This is stupid yet expected for anything connected to the NFL.

  39. I’m wearing Mel Hein’s right now! It is extremely comfortable and makes me feel like a HOFer even though I am not! Come and get me!

  40. “As far as Stabler goes, he’s a marginal hall of famer…”

    Whether he’s marginal or inner-circle is absolutely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

    I’m apparently in the minority on this, but I’ve got no issue whatsoever with the Hall of Fame’s position here. They want to give attire solely to living HoF members to wear to symbolize their enshrinement, that seems an eminently reasonable position.

  41. So this “policy” begs the question if a currently living HOfer dies, the HOF must therefore have to ask for the jacket and ring back, right? Unless they are buried with it? What a stupid and pointless policy.

  42. A lot of people are saying “give it to the family” like it just works like that. If you are saying that, I assume your family is normal and well adjusted and everyone gets along, which is great.

    But let’s look at the flip side. The “family” isn’t a person. It’s a collection of persons, sometimes with conflicting (and competing) interests. One member of the “family” may want to put it in glass and hang it at their mother’s house. But what if the player was divorced and the mother of the player’s children wasn’t the wife of the player at his death? Who gets it?

    What if there are 10 children of various levels of income and they all want it for the sake of selling it? Or some want it to sell and others want it to honor the man. Who gets it?

    I agree with the Hall here. If a player gets it in life, he can decide what to do with it. If a player doesn’t make it in during his life, then it was never his property in the first place, and it certainly wasn’t the property of one of a potentially large list of people who want it, whether their intentions are to honor the man or sell it for cash.

  43. Let’s not have any illusions here. Half of the “family members” complainging about the HOF’s stance would sell the jacket and ring at auction within 5 years.

    It is all abou the $$.

  44. Stabler only got in this year because a certain Seniors committee voter is a Homer for all Cowboys & Oilers players & pushes them in ASAP. Until JERRY KRAMER gets in the HOF is a bad joke.

  45. What about Willie Wood? He sold his ring.

    Think the buyer got to wear it, or did the HOF Committee intercept the ring prior to purchase so that only Mr Wood could wear it?

  46. Wow – such a lot of fuss over nothing. One of three children of Stabler doesn’t like that she’s not getting something that no other deceased inductee has ever gotten and suddenly an outpouring of hate. The potential for squabbles by inheritors is a red herring of course. Every inductee gets a bust in the HOF. Every inductee also gets something symbolic for self or family: if you’re alive you get a ring (which will last forever) and a jacket (that won’t last long) that you can touch and use and maybe wear for instance at the induction ceremony with your other inductees; if you’re dead, your family gets a gold award. What’s the problem? Either way the HOF has honored you.

  47. jbraider says:
    Nov 8, 2016 4:23 PM
    Tragically, the repeated example set by President Obama of doubling down on stupid seems to be taking root everywhere.
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    Your post makes as much sense as the HOF’s decision.

  48. I’ve read them all. About, I think, 90% or so are close to senseless. But, so goes the world. Stick by a good sound approach, HOF.

  49. Amen Stew!

    It’s amazing what people get their underwear in a wad about.

    We live in a world where no one has the right to have a policy, procedure, or guideline.

    If someone doesn’t get what they want….they cry like babies. Sad!

  50. Mr. Goodell, you should personally deliver the ring and jacket immediately to the Stabler family. Do this now, while you still have a chance to show some integrity.

  51. Interesting that Jerry Jones was not one of the owners that answered the question Florio asked all the owners who are trustees of the HOF. But I am certain that if Jerry Jones was told his time here on earth was shorter than the number of days before he is actually voted into the HOF, one of two things would happen, probably the former. That is, he would either arrange for the vote to take place immediately just in case the doctors were correct. Or, he would insist that the rule be changed so that his family would get a jacket and ring. I am certain of that.

  52. From statement made by HOF earlier today (I think), “Additionally, each Hall of Famer’s wife is presented with a gold Hall of Fame necklace and pendant.”

    So will this automatically exclude any openly gay professional football player from being considered for the HOF? Or what if a player remains single? Is he allowed to choose his mother to get the necklace and pendant? Or is he forced to get married to be eligible for consideration and to get those trinkets? And by the sound of their recently confirmed policy, they don’t ever foresee a female being nominated to the HOF.

    Come on HOF, you haven’t thought this through. Reconvene and get it right this time.

  53. Hey fan boys, Goodell is only a trustee of the HFO, not a director. He doesn’t have the power or authority to make or enforce HOF policy. The HOF is a separate governed entity apart from the NFL.

  54. OK then, then make the rings and jackets the sole possession of the HoF and demand them back publically as each inductee passes away!

    If they don’t already do that, then why can’t they give a ring and jacket to the families of those posthumously selected? Hell, frame the jacket and place a disk inside the ring so neither can be worn, otherwise you aren’t honouring the player, you’re doing it for your own gain. I wonder if the families can deny permission for the use of the players likeness in any display?

  55. Nobody cared 3 weeks ago until she said something. Bet she’s the executor and wants to sell the items since they weren’t a part of his will. It’s been this way for decades and not a soul brought it up or paid attention to the rule. Now it’s an issue.

  56. Imagine if the military did this….sorry sir I know your son or daughter earned this purple heart or medal of honor but since they died before we awarded it to them you can’t have the medal.

    The NFL makes 0 sense. It’s a slap in the face to the player and his family.

  57. HOF can’t be bullied? That’s fine. It’s their institution, they get to set their own policies. Let’s put this to rest.

  58. Sorry, this issue is tiresome. For all of you that don’t think Stabler is a true Hall of Famer, jesus, did you ever see hIm play? I did and he gets my vote hands down.

    As for the HOF policies on rings and jackets, come on. Seriously? You can honor the living but not the deceased? That is so lame, weak and pathetic. Visiting Canton is now officially off my bucket list. God bless all the great inductees but the HOF governing body can go to hell!

  59. The NFL HOF presents the awards, and whether you agree or not, it’s entirely their call.

    If their policies upset you that much then don’t go to the HOF or continue to patronize the NFL.

  60. So with the HOF decision only living inductees can have the jacket and ring, then it stands to reason any inductees who dies later, the family should give back the jacket and ring. Pro football just can’t seen to get anything right, from the HOF to officiating, what is a catch, to emperor rule Goodell, and declining ratings. Time for the owners to get their heads out of the ass.

  61. firehousecoffeeco says:
    Nov 8, 2016 5:53 PM

    A lot of people are saying “give it to the family” like it just works like that. If you are saying that, I assume your family is normal and well adjusted and everyone gets along, which is great.

    But let’s look at the flip side. The “family” isn’t a person. It’s a collection of persons, sometimes with conflicting (and competing) interests. One member of the “family” may want to put it in glass and hang it at their mother’s house. But what if the player was divorced and the mother of the player’s children wasn’t the wife of the player at his death? Who gets it?

    What if there are 10 children of various levels of income and they all want it for the sake of selling it? Or some want it to sell and others want it to honor the man. Who gets it?

    I agree with the Hall here. If a player gets it in life, he can decide what to do with it. If a player doesn’t make it in during his life, then it was never his property in the first place, and it certainly wasn’t the property of one of a potentially large list of people who want it, whether their intentions are to honor the man or sell it for cash.
    ………………………………….

    That’s a good point, but that situation STILL occurs when the HOFer passes away and the ring and jacket are distributed through the probate process. The jacket and ring can still be sold to collectors unless if the HOF asks for it back which also would be stupid. The HOF needs to stop being so precious and just give out the ring and jacket. There is NO way to stop them from being sold eventually to collectors.

  62. If they required the ring and jacket to be returned to the Hall after the death of a living recipient, they would have a logical argument.

    But they don’t.

    So they don’t have a logical argument at all.

    Period.

  63. I have my father’s M ring from the University of Michigan, given to varsity football letter winners of two years or more. I do not wear it but keep it as a cherished part of his legacy, just as I do his letter sweater, which I also do not wear.

    I believe that the NFL should put aside its fears in lieu of the benefit that the families would receive from having these items. If I were the son of a HOF member, I would mount and display the ring. I would not tarnish it by wearing it myself.

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