Aaron Rodgers, Mike McCarthy relationship inching closer to implosion

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Regardless of whether it dates back to the decision of the 49ers not to draft Aaron Rodgers when Mike McCarthy served as offensive coordinator there or whether it has popped up in the struggles since last year’s 6-0 start or whether at some point the quarterback said something that got and stayed under the coach’s skin or at some point the coach said something that got and stayed under the quarterback’s skin, the relationship is dangerously close to exploding or imploding or otherwise -ploding in a way that results in one of them being sent packing.

And it won’t be the quarterback.

Rodgers has been engaged in a passive-aggressive attack on McCarthy in recent days, and if the goal is to rattle McCarthy, it’s working. After an ugly home loss to the Colts, Rodgers declared that the sideline lacked energy, a shot at the man ultimately responsible for ensuring that the players are ready to play. McCarthy said the next day that he thought the energy was “pretty good.” More recently, Rodgers took more clear aim at McCarthy after an embarrassing loss to a team that in past years was hard pressed to score 47 in a month, suggesting that the coach doesn’t instill the proper amount of it’s-not-personal-it’s-just-business fear in players that, at some point, failure will get them fired.

I suggested during Monday’s PFT Live that McCarthy may be tempted in his day-after press conference to return fire, suggesting that Rodgers should worry about his job and McCarthy will worry about his. But McCarthy blinked a bit, opting instead to play the I’m-a-highly-successful-coach card.

That awkward message wasn’t intended for us; it was intended for Rodgers. And it’s the closest McCarthy will publicly come to saying that Rodgers should worry about his job and McCarthy will worry about his.

For now. Privately, the two men need to have a clearing of the air. Otherwise, the public sniping will continue, and escalate.

The question is whether Rodgers will be willing to break bread and bury hatchets with McCarthy. The quarterback has the upper hand in this relationship; the Packers need Rodgers far more than they need McCarthy. Indeed, if/when (when) they fire McCarthy, coaches will line up at the door for a chance to coach a historic team with a loyal and passionate fan base and a quarterback still in his prime and no chance of having a meddling owner because there is no traditional owner in the organization.

The only challenge will be handling Rodgers, who will emerge post-McCarthy with even more power — and he’s smart enough to know it. Plenty of coaches will relish the opportunity to try. Still, success as the coach of the franchise will hinge on successfully managing the relationship with the franchise quarterback, and it’s now clear that the formula will include kissing one player’s ass and constantly threatening to kick everyone else’s.

141 responses to “Aaron Rodgers, Mike McCarthy relationship inching closer to implosion

  1. This has been coming for a while now. I just hope it happens soon so the team can move on. Either with or without McCarthy. I have watched for over ten years and question his game time coaching.

  2. Because Mike McCarthy has been sailing passes over receivers heads since last year,and tossed the team under the bus saying their not playing with any emotion,and force fed Eddie Lacy twinkles until he looked and ran like Vince Wolfork…..

  3. How does anyone blame the best QB in the league when he plays for a team that refuses to pay for free agents?

  4. Never tell a coach that he has to succumb to the will of a player. There are just too many ways the coach can make that backfire. You know, on Monday McCarthy could announce that all of the starting offensive line is benched and the scrubs will start along with replacing the receivers with tight ends. Then add in a little read option.

  5. “or at some point the coach said something that got and stayed under the quarterback’s skin”

    ‘Hello, good morning’ could get under that diva’s thin skin if you do not say it correctly as to his liking.

  6. McCarthy’s conciliatory locker room speech consisted of everyone working together towards one common goal: getting Richard Rodgers as many looks as possible.

  7. McCarthy doesn’t ‘buy the groceries,’ to quote Parcells.

    When your GM goes into hibernation from September – January, it’s up to McCarthy to stick up for his record. It was awkward to hear that today, but really, where is Thompson to either defend his coach or criticize him or the team?

    It’s times like this Green Bay’s lack of an owner hurts them. At least Ron Wolf was available after home/road games. And he didn’t mince words when the team was underperforming.

    Thompson operates in a vacuum. Only a Board of Directors convening can make any decisions about any changes.

    The ideal scenario would be the BOD choosing to ‘retire’ Thompson and allowing a new GM to bring in his own HC / staff.

    But these guys are under contract through 2018. I have thought all along Aaron Rodgers would force his way out of town — so disgusted is he by the garbage he has playing with him.

  8. Rodgers is and has been overrated since winning the super bowl. He got hot and with a good defense and leadership from Woodson, Driver, they won. 15-1 the next year and an egg at home against the Giants. Beginning of the end. MM is ok as a qb coach and play caller….but has zero imagination. Watch GB long enough and even YOU can call the play….

    All of that coupled with a GM that is average at best and overrates the players he drafts….Hawk, Adams, Harrell, etc…leaves you here. For me, Packer fans are annoying and wear rose colored glasses. I guess that’s faithful. I call it stupid. Welcome back to the 70’s packer fans….you deserve it.

  9. There is no schism. This is frustration over a team far from where they thought they would be.

    When your spouse asks you to take out the garbage after a great day at work, is your response the same as it would be if your bosses weren’t happy, HQ visited and questioned your value to the company while hearing from your underlings you weren’t communicating well enough?

    There is too much respect between QB and coach, and both need to clear the air, recommit and get the season back on track.

  10. “Indeed, if/when (when) they fire McCarthy, coaches will line up at the door for a chance to coach a historic team with a loyal and passionate fan base and a quarterback still in his prime and no chance of having a meddling owner because there is no traditional owner in the organization.”

    Where to start with that statement?

    1. Coaches will line up at the door to coach anywhere. There are only 32 of these jobs in the world. You sound like a delusional fan with that statement. And yes they will still line up even though they known they will have to massage the diva QB’s ego at all times.
    2. Rodger’s prime has past or have you not been watching?
    3. I thought all those owners did have a say in what happens at each owners meeting?

  11. I would argue that this has been brewing since the collapse in the 2014 NFC championship game.

    Things like that affect the team.

    I would have thought that the 2015 season would have been bad, but maybe its just taken this much time for the implosion to happen.

    Love it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  12. Every Ram fan here in Southern California is calling for Fisher’s head and Goff to become the starter (both are deserved) because the team is not very good…yet they have the same record as the “perennial SB contender” “13 time World champion” Green Bay Packers. Let that sink in for a moment.

  13. 4sacroc – The ideal scenario would be the BOD choosing to ‘retire’ Thompson and allowing a new GM to bring in his own HC / staff.

    as a packer fan since 1964 I would say that 4sacroc nailed it

  14. New York ran Coughlin out after he delivered them two Super Bowl titles over arguably the greatest franchise in the past 15 years.

    McCarthy has one ring — six years ago.

    His leash should be much shorter than Coughlin’s.

  15. Let’s be honest here, Aaron Rodgers is losing the battle against father time and the team is struggling. He can’t carry an average roster anymore.

  16. Cam Newton
    Aaron Rodgers
    Tom Brady
    Odell Beckham

    The 4 most unlikeable players in the NFL in that order.

  17. Defense can’t stop anybody and the RB is fat….good luck getting to the SB with that type of team…..

  18. I think Green Bay’s problems go beyond the HC and the QB not seeing eye to eye. The defense, no running game…there is a lot of “tweaking” the needs to be done, as McCarthy says. The question is, how long before the explosion/implosion? If they lose again, it may just happen.

  19. if you’re not fired with enthusiasm you’ll be fired with enthusiasm, every member of the team should be thinking of those famed words of one of the greatest coaches ever (if not the)

  20. 4sacroc says:
    Nov 14, 2016 3:26 PM

    I have thought all along Aaron Rodgers would force his way out of town

    ——————————————————

    Maybe Rodgers can “stick it to packers” just like Favre did.

    LOL

  21. Let’s be honest here, Aaron Rodgers is losing the battle against father time and the team is struggling. He can’t carry an average roster anymore.
    ——
    Says a pats fan whose QB is 7 years older. It’s not Rodgers, it’s poor receivers, no te, no rb, and no defense. Rodgers being 32 has nothing to do with it…

  22. What a shocker the All Pro crybaby Rodgers blaming everybody but himself .
    ——-
    He literally said “it starts with me”….what are you reading?

  23. since Gruden first made his rep in GB may be its the home coming he waiting for?? other wise i think McDanials is a likely candidate , as would be the best offensive credentials of any OC active , not sure who else i would want, fearful of a Bears like scenario, we fire that guy that takes us to the playoffs for a year, to find the next guy cant even get us there.. but at some point you have to take a risk when you want Greatness

  24. “Yeah McCarthy needs to go but Rogers play has spiraled downward over the last 2 seasons.”

    Rodgers tried to remain quiet despite MM as coach, but the mental drain finally got to him during the 2014 championship game vs Seattle, and again during last season, specifically when Denver figured out how to cover the receivers. To date MM still has changed nothing to help get the receivers open or even get the right players into the game. They still run basic routes with no misdirection, bunch formation, or pick plays, and use Richard Rodgers a lot.

  25. History is indeed repeating itself. Favre became uncoachable under Mike Sherman (29 int’s in one year a decade ago, and some ugly losses) until McCarthy arrived and tucked him in.

    Now McCarthy has lost Rodgers. Too bad, it’s just time to move on. A decade and a SB ring with a really fine record. But it is now outdated–really a stale offense.

    Just like old #4, #12 now needs a fresh and forceful coach to refocus him. It’s time.

  26. Public sniping, now that is handling it like men!

    I would expect nothing else out of those two.
    ——–
    I know you’re a Viking troll and desperately want this to be true, but there is no public sniping, just Pft looking for hits.

  27. irkjames says:
    Nov 14, 2016 3:19 PM
    How does anyone blame the best QB in the league when he plays for a team that refuses to pay for free agents?
    —————————————–

    Obviously, you are ignoring the fact that Rodgers is in the bottom half of the league for QBs the last two years.

    Blaming it on everyone but Rodgers?

    Aaron, is that you?

  28. The Packers still control their own destiny. They’ve beaten the division-leading Lions once already, and play them again. Regardless of how badly they’ve been playing lately, the Vikings are worse. They play the Vikings again. They can still win the division, which, if this were the Vikings, would be “good enough.”

    It could happen.

  29. Seems to me the season started sinking with the release of Sitton, which I assume was mostly MM’s call. I’m sure Rodgers didn’t like seeing an all-pro protector leave.
    Rodgers may have the upper hand, but he’s scarcely dealing from a position of invulnerability. His play has more often than not been average for more than a season now. I’m sure he’ll want a kazillion dollars when his contract’s up, and right now there’s no way he deserves it.

  30. Everyone expects more of the Green Bay Packers, so being 4-5 is supposed to be especially uncomfortable. Thankfully I can watch them try to right the ship while basking in the glow of a NFL record 13 World Championships. Otherwise this would really suck.

  31. I think Aaron is looking for a path to the 49ers. At some point Olivia Munn’s career and being able to stay close to her husband during the football season has to come to a head. Brett Hundley is a talented backup. It might be time to see what he can do.

  32. Rogers is acting a lot like Favre did during his later years in Green Bay. It’s funny because Rogers was so critical of Favre and now that he’s having a bad streak he’s going after his coach. If they get a new coach he’ll have to cater to Rogers too much and the players wont respect him. Anyone remember Ray Rhodes or Mike Sherman?? Brought in to kiss Favre’s behind..made Favre happy but didnt win. This will be no different. If Rogers and Mcarthy can’t make this work they’re both done winning. Just like Holmgren and Favre.

  33. If the prevailing opinion is that Aaron is in his prime, then the Packers should get as much as they can for him before it’s too late.

    He has looked like a QB on the decline.

    As for McCarthy, he’s only as good as the declining QB who executes the plays he calls.

  34. I have heard that John Schneider has an out in his contract that says he can return to green bay at any time. Hire him for gm and let him chose the coach, hopefully gruden. MM and TT have run their course and need to go

  35. Bring in new GM (roster is not very good), trade Rogers (only if you get a boat load of picks – you will), have New GM hire new coach (or keep McCarthy), Team would be rebuilt in a hurry and yes it needs to be rebuilt…

  36. Does anyone else besides me see a lot of similarities between the situations of Mike McCarthy and Mike Tomlin? Both are in their 10th seasons as HC. Both have been highly successful, but both fan bases have had a healthy percentage who have all along questioned the game management skills of their coach. Both fan bases are starting to swing over to the point where the majority now seem to at least be willing to see that coach canned, if not outright campaigning for it. Both seem to be having a clash of wills with their star QBs. And both keep giving the same sound bytes in press conferences, sound bytes that have grown old, are getting tuned out in the locker rooms, and that fans are really sick and tired of hearing.

  37. cribbage12 says:
    Nov 14, 2016 3:30 PM

    There is no schism. This is frustration over a team far from where they thought they would be.
    _______

    Then I guess Rodgers and McCarthy were just as delusional as the team’s fans were.

  38. I still prefer our “problems” compared to many other teams in the league. This is our first time since 2008 that we are under 500 after nine games.. You need to keep the whole picture in mind and not over react. Many on this site appear to be like the “Trump protesters” by making things sound worse then they are. Injuries are a huge part of our problem right now.

  39. In Teddy We Trust says:
    Nov 14, 2016 4:38 PM
    Not a good look for what I’ve been told is the greatest franchise in the history of sports.
    —-

    I would agree with your whole statement.

  40. outside of Rodgers the packers of lacked identity of any sort.

    When the 49ers were good it was a tough defense and atheltic QB making plays with his feet

    The Patriots are Tom Brady and the picture of consistent play across the board.

    The Seahawks have a historic defense and for a while a tough running attack.

    What have the Packers been?

    A Good QB with some oft-injured players around him on offense and a mediocre defense at best.

    When I picture the Packers playing a game I just have this image in my head of Rodgers throwing a ball at the feet of a receiver, having a little cry, and then an uncomfortable press conference where he acts like everyone’s jerky petulant uncle.

  41. Rodgers is taking a gentler approach than most star athletes. He like every player knows time is limited and wants coaches and management to provide the necessary resources to win. His comments are likely directed at Thompson as much as coaching. After the Redskins apply another embarrassing defeat Rodgers needs to increase the only leverage he has… unless he learns to accept getting beat.

  42. Browns organization>Green Bay Organization

    enjoy the next decade of sub 500 play, Green Bay… Cousins going to throw 10 td passes Sunday night, get him in your fantasy lineup…

  43. McCarthy HAS BEEN a successful coach, you can’t lay this on his feet only. McCarthy is not the one throwing the ball, and Rodgers just looks…off…like his passes. He also has Nelson who is only now starting to look good, no clear backfield, a rookie #2 WR in Adams, and a gimpy Cobb. Packers also have a terrible secondary. Rodgers seems to be acting a bit petulant to me. This is not the stable GB Packers we’re all used to seeing.

    And of course, PFF will rank them as a top 10 team regardless.

  44. otheirony says:
    Nov 14, 2016 3:30 PM

    Rodgers is and has been overrated since winning the super bowl. He got hot and with a good defense and leadership from Woodson, Driver, they won. 15-1 the next year and an egg at home against the Giants. Beginning of the end. MM is ok as a qb coach and play caller….but has zero imagination. Watch GB long enough and even YOU can call the play….

    All of that coupled with a GM that is average at best and overrates the players he drafts….Hawk, Adams, Harrell, etc…leaves you here. For me, Packer fans are annoying and wear rose colored glasses. I guess that’s faithful. I call it stupid. Welcome back to the 70’s packer fans….you deserve it.

    —————————————————–

    You’re just not very nice. We deserve it. Sounds like you’ve been cheering for a bad team for awhile now.

    You are so inaccurate on AR look at his entire career he’s been excellent not just 10 and 11. Don’t let facts like 09 and 12 and such get in the way though of telling your story. Sorry you’re Bears aren’t that good though.

    Even if TT and MM are replaced there will be a line up of folks that want to work there. Schneider in Seattle has an opt out close in his contract should GB ever call for him to be the GM. So yes, there will be some dark times at some point in GB when we are without a QB but it won’t last long.

  45. In Teddy We Trust says:
    Nov 14, 2016 4:38 PM
    Not a good look for what I’ve been told is the greatest franchise in the history of sports.
    ———————-
    They are one of the greatest franchises in sport.
    Thanks for reiterating it.
    Most team’s fans would kill for the kind of success Green Bays had.
    Including your pathetic Barney team.

    You can tell by the tone of this article, one of many across web sites and sports talk shows today, this is an unusual bad streak the Packers are in.
    For some teams 4-6 is just business as usual, for others it’s a major topic across our nation.

  46. pkrlvr says:

    Let’s be honest here, Aaron Rodgers is losing the battle against father time and the team is struggling. He can’t carry an average roster anymore.
    ——
    Says a pats fan whose QB is 7 years older. It’s not Rodgers, it’s poor receivers, no te, no rb, and no defense. Rodgers being 32 has nothing to do with it…
    —————

    pkrlvr

    Do you know anything about football?

    Brady is 7 years older, but what has Brady done since he won his first SB in 2001?

    Brady – has won another 3 SB’s and led his team to another SB. He’s made it to the AFC Championship game each of the last 5 years.

    Tom is leading the NFL in most meaningful stats this season at 39 years of age.

    Meanwhile, Rodgers, since he won his ONLY SB has only made it to the NFC Championship game one time.

    Since Rodgers turned 30 his performance has dropped dramatically.

    Before the season started, all we heard out of you was how good the Packers receiving corp was, how great running game was going to be, how the TE position was going to be a real strength and how great the Packer defense was.

    Funny how now when your team is sitting 4 – 5 and in 3rd place in the NFC North that you claim your whole team sucks – except for Rodgers…

  47. wafflestomp says:

    …this is an unusual bad streak the Packers are in.

    For some teams 4-6 is just business as usual, for others it’s a major topic across our nation.
    ————————

    Obviously, you haven’t been a Packer fan very long…

    You need to research the tail end of the 60’s, all of the 70’s, all of the 80’s and the first part of the 90’s.

    After you finish that assignment, I want you to study the period from 1948 – 1958 when you failed to have a single winning season.

    The Packers are known for their decades of futility…

  48. Schneider is not leaving Seattle to come to Green Bay. The Seahawks redid the contract and removed the opt out clause. TT isn’t really the problem anyway, the coach is, although TT should be available to the press during these times and take some of the heat for the others.

  49. While I am unhappy with the Pack play, it is still possible that they will win their division. I see a team where injuries and poor drafts have left them thin in too many positions. There is a lot of blame to spread around including to MM and Rodgers, but the GM needs to retire now!

  50. justintuckrule says:
    Nov 14, 2016 3:51 PM

    Cam Newton
    Aaron Rodgers
    Tom Brady
    Odell Beckham

    The 4 most unlikeable players in the NFL in that order.
    ——————————

    Big Ben, Kaepernick, Burfict, RG3, and Suh are way above those 4 on any list of unfavorable players.

  51. Rodgers trying to fire his coach lol. Belichek would deactivate his packers email without even commenting. Rodgers would go to login, and its just deactivated and no one corporate will answer his calls.

  52. filthymcnasty3 says:
    Nov 14, 2016 4:25 PM
    Everyone expects more of the Green Bay Packers, so being 4-5 is supposed to be especially uncomfortable. Thankfully I can watch them try to right the ship while basking in the glow of a NFL record 13 World Championships. Otherwise this would really suck.

    9 of which came before any one on here was born

  53. Like Favre, Rodgers likes Minnesota better. But he’s a little late. Aaron will have to go to the Bears to get his revenge now that Green Bay is turning their back on him, too.

  54. McCarthy coaches like Mike Holmgren. Plays not to lose when he has a 1 or 2 score lead….and the whole team clams up and try’s to hold on. The old way is not today’s way. Just like the extra point….things evolve….coaches have to as well.

  55. McCarthy isn’t a great coach, but he is a good coach. Good luck on finding a better one if the prima donna quarterback forces him out and good luck on finding a coach that can control Rodgers’ personality.

    I find it interesting that there’s very little mention of Ted Thompson in any of the articles covering the packers’ implosion. This is a team with serious talent issues, especially in regards to depth. Ted Thompson is every bit as responsible (if not more so) than anyone else for this mess.

    Ultimately though, Rodgers has to be put in his place either by the current coach or the next one. You can’t have an inmate running the asylum, even if the inmate is one of the better qb’s in the league.

  56. Compare the look in Rodgers eyes when he comes to the line to the look in Tom Brady’s eyes. Brady’s eyes are always on fire. Rodgers is just chill. Having said that, something isn’t right in the Chemistry of the team. The Packer’s don’t fight, that’s the coaches job, and this lack of intensity has been going on for over a year.

    Elway fired John Fox for this even though Fox took the team to the Super Bowl. Scheme, talent are both important, but winning often comes down to who wants it more. THAT’s the Packers problem.

  57. gtodriver says:
    Nov 14, 2016 6:07 PM
    The Packers are known for their decades of futility…
    ////////////////////////////////////

    How many championships did the Vikings win during the Packers’ decades of futility? Any? Even after the Packers stayed out of their way and handed the division to them on a silver platter? None? I didn’t think so.

    What they did do however, was impressive. The Vikings set the all-time NFL record for postseason futility, with more postseason losses than any NFL team ever, including all pre-merger teams. That took some doing.

    But they weren’t done! They also set the all-time record for postseason one-and-done appearances. That’s special!

  58. McCarthy is much better than Zimmy The Chimp.

    Thompson is much better than Spieldope.

    Rodgers is much better than any QB the Vikings have ever had, including Francis Refuses-To-Even-Step-Foot-In-The-State-Of-Minnesota Tarkenton and Brett Favre.

    But you purples keep flapping your lips… I could use the entertainment.

  59. Nick Saban
    Tony Dungy
    Darrell Bevell
    Jon Gruden
    Urban Meyer
    Bill Cowher

    All would be a good fit in Green Bay if McCarthy were to get let go. Saban and Meyer are absolutely long shots but you never know if Green Bay could be a perfect scenario based on what’s stated in the article. The most likely scenario would be Bevell who has Wisconsin ties. Players would love to play for Dungy and Gruden would bring the energy these players need. As for Cowher I still think he has one more NFL run left in him. It’s a good list to start with.

  60. Green Bay would have only two losses maximum this year if not for subtle bone headed decisions by McCarthy such as deferring every time they win the coin flip, not kicking field goals when they should, trying to get the defense to jump offsides all the time and making the QB run the play clock down to zero on every play.

  61. Even if McCarthy gets canned, A) he won’t be out of work for long considering how many teams have hot-seat coaches and B) that roster will still be the same.

  62. gtodriver says:
    Nov 14, 2016 6:07 PM
    wafflestomp says:

    …this is an unusual bad streak the Packers are in.

    For some teams 4-6 is just business as usual, for others it’s a major topic across our nation.
    ————————

    Obviously, you haven’t been a Packer fan very long…

    You need to research the tail end of the 60’s, all of the 70’s, all of the 80’s and the first part of the 90’s.

    After you finish that assignment, I want you to study the period from 1948 – 1958 when you failed to have a single winning season.

    The Packers are known for their decades of futility…
    ———————-
    I don’t have to study it, I’ve lived it.
    I’ve been alive long enough to experience 6 Packer Championships, 2 in person.
    I’ve been a season ticket holder for many years (25 years on the waiting list) and have been lucky enough to attend over a hundred games, experiencing the good with the bad.

    When a team’s approaching 100 years of existence you would expect some lean years along the way.
    Surely as a Barney fan you must have a firm grip on what it feels like to watch your team go through lean years.
    Their entire existence has been lean.
    But there’s been no NFL team who’s experienced the amount of success through so many different decades and so many league changes, as Green Bay has. That’s a fact.

    Seriously, with all things being equal, you wouldn’t trade your team’s success over mine?
    Honestly, I’d like to hear your response.

  63. The Almighty Cabbage says:
    Nov 14, 2016 8:25 PM
    McCarthy is much better than Zimmy The Chimp.

    Thompson is much better than Spieldope.

    Rodgers is much better than any QB the Vikings have ever had, including Francis Refuses-To-Even-Step-Foot-In-The-State-Of-Minnesota Tarkenton and Brett Favre.
    —-
    And yet, with all that self back patting…they lost to the Vikings.

    Twice in a row!

    But hey, don’t let me distract you from the out of control dumpster fire raging in Green Bay. Get back to staring towards Minnesota for feel good excuses.

  64. stellarperformance says:
    Nov 14, 2016 8:21 PM
    gtodriver says:
    Nov 14, 2016 6:07 PM
    The Packers are known for their decades of futility…
    ////////////////////////////////////

    How many championships did the Vikings win during the Packers’ decades of futility? Any? Even after the Packers stayed out of their way and handed the division to them on a silver platter? None? I didn’t think so.

    —–
    think about your response….close your eyes…deep breath….

    Now open them

    Did your response change the fact hat the packers are known for their decades of futility?

    Nope!

  65. The Almighty Cabbage says:
    Nov 14, 2016 8:25 PM
    McCarthy is much better than Zimmy The Chimp.

    Thompson is much better than Spieldope.

    Rodgers is much better than any QB the Vikings have ever had, including Francis Refuses-To-Even-Step-Foot-In-The-State-Of-Minnesota Tarkenton and Brett Favre.

    But you purples keep flapping your lips… I could use the entertainment.

    Fran was at the Vikings home opener this year…

  66. Fire McCarthy, Capers, and Thompson. Bring in Wolf’s kid or see if Schneider wants to return to Green Bay as GM. Then get Josh McDaniels as your coach. As good as he has it in New England, like Florio says, plenty of coaches would jump at the chance to coach a storied franchise with minimal owner meddling.

    Then, trade Rodgers to the 49ers for a boat load of draft picks. He would fit just fine in Chip Kelly’s system and McDaniels can work with the young QBs in the Packers system. Just look how he did with the Patriot backups. Might be a rough year but in the end you get the people out that you need to get out.

  67. 13worldchampioinships says:
    Nov 14, 2016 9:38 PM

    Fran was at the Vikings home opener this year…

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    And that was the FIRST and ONLY time he’s set foot in Minnesota since he got off that sinking ship. Word has it they had to pay him HUGE money to get him there even then. But hey, what’s another quarter million added to your tax bill for the McStadium?

  68. contra74 says:
    Nov 14, 2016 9:26 PM

    And yet, with all that self back patting…they lost to the Vikings.

    Twice in a row!
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    So… another banner for the McStadium then?

    Only in the head of the average purple do 2 out of the last 7, as part of 3 out of 14 this decade, constitute some great accomplishment.

    I swear, you people deserve that franchise and all the failure that comes with it.

  69. Nothing defines futility and frustration in the NFL like the Minnesota Vikings. Their trolls drag us back to the 70’s and 80’s while trying, without success, to bring us down to their level. But when we remind them the Packers own more NFL titles than any other teams, they whine; “Not Fair! Irrelevant! Stop living in the past.”

    The Vikings define futility. Wide Left placed an emphatic exclamation point on that fact. This season is no different.

  70. gtodriver says:
    Nov 14, 2016 6:07 PM
    The Packers are known for their decades of futility…
    /////////////////////////////////////////

    I almost forgot. During the 70’s and 80’s the Packers and Vikings went 14-15 and 15-14 against each other, respectively. Break out the confetti.

    I thought Viking trolls considered the distant past irrelevant. Can you please clarify if bringing up the distant past is allowable?

    For example: The Packers have won more championships in the history of the NFL than anyone else. The Vikings have lost in the postseason more than any other team in the history of the NFL.

  71. The packers have been going down ever since the Superbowl. They just looked good in the Division because the other teams were so bad. Incentive is the big issue. The management is not hungry for a win and that shows in the teams performance. The seats are all paid for, the locals are willing to except mediocrity for a very long time. It’s like your drunk uncle, everyone loves him for a while. This team needs a very large renewal starting with the upper management, coaches and their attitude toward paying for talent.

  72. h0metownzero says:

    Keep this in perspective. The Packers are struggling to win their NFL record 14th World Championship.
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    You can’t truly claim a “World Championship” in a sport where only one country has teams that compete.

    Furthermore, some of the Packers so-called “World Championships” came before they even had playoffs.

    One of those non-playoff years, the Packers didn’t even have the most wins in the NFL (Giants went 13 – 4 vs the Packers 10 – 3 – 1)).

    From 1927 – 1959, the NFL was comprised of between 8 and 12 teams.

    So let’s quit with the BS and talk facts, not myths.

  73. stellarperformance says:

    How many championships did the Vikings win during the Packers’ decades of futility? Any? Even after the Packers stayed out of their way and handed the division to them on a silver platter? None? I didn’t think so.
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    To answer your specific question:

    1 NFL Championship

    3 NFC Championships

    15 NFC Central Championships

    So the answer is 19.

    During that time period the Packers won a single NFC Central Championship and did not score a single TD in the playoffs of a full regulation season.

    The Packers didn’t “stay out of the way” – the simply were a below average football team for 25 years.

    Since the inception of divisional play – the Vikings have never gone 5 consectutive seasons without a playoff appearance or Championship.

    Consistent success like that takes a true commitment to providing the fans with a quality product.

    Unlike in Wisconsin where the Packers forced their fans to accept mediocrity – averaging just 6 wins a season over a 25 year period.

    It only makes sense how beating the Vikings became the Packer Super Bowl during that extremely dark period…

  74. The quarterback is every bit as much of a problem as the coach has been. The coach isn’t out there missing open receivers 8 yards down the field. People are acting like this is the Aaron Rodgers of 2011, and that the only problem with the team is Mike McCarthy. Rodgers is FAR from the best quarterback in the league these days. For almost the last two years he has been mediocre at best. Middle of the pack. I am starting to think that the old Aaron Rodgers is gone for good. If that is indeed the case, he is just as dispensable as McCarthy is. In my opinion, there is just as good a chance that the team would improve more by replacing Rodgers with Hundley than by replacing the head coach. If it were up to me, I would dump all three of them (McCarthy, Rodgers, and Ted Thompson) and start over. It was a nice little run, but their time has come to an end.

  75. gtodriver says:
    Nov 15, 2016 8:12 AM
    So the answer is 19
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    Selective deduction doesn’t mask the truth.

    The Vikings have zero NFL Championships.

    Zero. None.

  76. goatherder…..you keep going back the the Packers’ struggles in the 70’s and 80’s as though it means something. It doesn’t. Only to you.

    And if you have no problems bringing up ancient history, stop complaining every time a Packer Championship is rubbed in your nose.

  77. stairwayto7 says:
    Nov 14, 2016 3:16 PM

    Rodgers like Favre, wins 1 Super Bowl and overrated rest of career!
    .
    yeah, stairwell. Who did Rodgers defeat in that Super Bowl? thought so….still crying

  78. As all Packers fan know the real problem in Green Bay is that they have NO running game to take the pressure off the passing game, nothing from the TE, and WR’s can’t get open because the opposing D doesn’t have to even think about a running game.

    But the biggest problem is the defense. Right now it is historically bad as in most points being given up since the 1950’s. Any coach interested in the Packers job is going to have to face what to do with that D.

  79. I agree with others who have said that the ownership structure of the Pack is both good and bad. Yes, they will not leave GB, but there is no one owner. I can’t stand Stephen A., but his gushing over Rodgers is hard to take. I think it is mainly caused by his hatred of Favre, but it is ridiculous.

  80. The Almighty Cabbage says:
    Nov 14, 2016 10:43 PM
    13worldchampioinships says:
    Nov 14, 2016 9:38 PM

    Fran was at the Vikings home opener this year…

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    And that was the FIRST and ONLY time he’s set foot in Minnesota since he got off that sinking ship. Word has it they had to pay him HUGE money to get him there even then. But hey, what’s another quarter million added to your tax bill for the McStadium?

    —–

    I don’t know where you’re getting your information from, but it’s wrong. Facebook memes are not good resources for facts.

  81. I still think they’ll win the division or get a wild card and advance to the NFL championship game. Never sleep on Rodgers.

  82. “You can’t truly claim a “World Championship” in a sport where only one country has teams that compete.

    Furthermore, some of the Packers so-called “World Championships” came before they even had playoffs.

    One of those non-playoff years, the Packers didn’t even have the most wins in the NFL (Giants went 13 – 4 vs the Packers 10 – 3 – 1)).

    From 1927 – 1959, the NFL was comprised of between 8 and 12 teams.

    So let’s quit with the BS and talk facts, not myths.”

    Other than the term “World Championship”, all of the above are facts.

    Now, for analysis…
    It was more difficult to win a championship before there were playoffs because a lesser team couldn’t get on a short hot streak to win a championship.
    In the early years the league didn’t count ties, so 10-3 is a higher winning pct than 13-4
    From 1927-1959, less teams means more competition. Roster sizes were also much smaller 33 to 40 those years so there were no lesser players in the league. Every team had some great players. Again, it was more difficult to win a championship back then.

  83. Name another QB who’s performance has dropped as drastically as Rodgers since PSI has been routinely monitored(allegedly). Well, I suppose Luck could be thrown into that conversation too.

  84. Has it ever occurred to anyone that ‘mysteriously’ Aaron Rodgers ‘lost his touch and ball control’ right around the time that the league was going through ‘Deflate-gate’ and decided to inspect the PSI of ALL game balls before being allowed onto the field of play for games ??? When the ‘Deflate-gate’ accusations towards Tom Brady came to light, Aaron Rodgers was one of the first NFL QB’s to come to Brady’s defense and admit that he, too, liked his balls at a certain PSI. ( No pun intended ) Here in Green Bay, we get to see Rodgers year round , attend Training Camp sessions and have the ability to watch ALL the games played by the Packers either at Lambeau or for free on local TV. He is NOT the ‘elite QB’ that he once was and we can see it !! He misses way too many throws now and often his passes land at receivers feet on short routes or way over their heads on long routes. Something has drastically changed about his accuracy and all signs seem to point to the league monitored PSI affecting his ‘touch’ on the ball ??

  85. Rodgers started off 2015 with passer ratings of 140.5, 116.9 138.5, 99.0, 82.8 and 107.7. This is all after new PSI rules.
    Then Denver figured out that if you bump the Packer WRs and guard within 10-20 yards you can stop them. Other teams have followed that defensive strategy. A good coach would have realized something needs to change by now, but McCarthy still runs the same plays with mostly the same receivers.

    It has nothing to do with the PSI. All signs point to him being mentally drained and having a hard time playing for his coach, even though he is trying. To his credit, he overcame his coach for many years. If you’ve played competitive sports, you know that it matters when you don’t believe in the coach.

  86. “taintedsaints2009 says: I still think they’ll win the division or get a wild card and advance to the NFL championship game.”

    Based upon what… besides wishful thinking that is?

  87. Wisconsin’s Favorite Son Jeffrey Be Dahmed says:
    Nov 14, 2016 7:06 PM
    Like Favre, Rodgers likes Minnesota better. But he’s a little late. Aaron will have to go to the Bears to get his revenge now that Green Bay is turning their back on him, too.

    Ayyy fuuuny! Dat thin skin cream puff no las 5 minute inna Chicago. Ah haha

  88. It doesn’t seem all that long ago that the Packers were behind the other NFC North teams and Rogers was just returning from an injury. MM & AR should make up soon and win the division again while there’s still time. They still get the Vikings at home and could beat Detroit as long as they don’t play some kind of prevent defense. Lions have a reason for gaining confidence. All the other NFC North teams lost while they enjoyed a bye. Two team are fretting about coaching while the other just had their best receiver suspended? Detroit still has all their NFC North rivals to play again at home. They are 5-4, haven’t lost by more than a touchdown, and have come from behind to win four of their last five games. Green Bay has a three game losing streak but the Lions had one earlier and recovered. Win in Detroit and the Packers will advance again. The Lions have three tough games at the end and could lose them all so this is no time for disharmony.

  89. Interesting speculation in this click-bait … um … thing. Less interesting are the comments by “wish it were so” supposed Viking fan-cyber-trolls.

    I like the Vikie fan who still hangs his hat on the phantom Viking NFL Championship when his guys got their clocks cleaned by the Chiefs in the last game of that year. REAL Viking fans wouldn’t even consider making such a stupid assertion. That guy just has nothing else going for him, but, I’m sure his family loves him in spite of his obvious impairment.

    …and then…and THEN, we the deep thinker who p00h-poohs 13 World Championships by essentially saying that since most posters here weren’t born for 9 of them — that they somehow don’t count because they weren’t born yet. What a maroon. It’s not Green Bay’s fault that your expansion team didn’t exist during those years. Listen up dillrod, the Packers Hall of Fame has footballs on display that have been around longer than you and your expansion team. Incidentally, ALL of the trophies are on display at the Packers Hall of Fame – check it out sometime. You keep pluckin’ away there bunky … and we’ll keep pointing at you and laughing.

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