Sheriff explains Joe McKnight shooting with another bizarre press conference

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The authorities in Jefferson Parish, Louisiana initially did not arrest Ronald Gasser, the 54-year-old man who shot and killed former NFL running back Joe McKnight last week. Gasser has since been arrested for manslaughter.

Sheriff Newell Normand, whose press conference from Friday seemed unreasonably defensive and unnecessarily combative, took it to the next level on Tuesday, complaining about the criticism his department has absorbed by pounding on the podium on multiple occasions and quoting from profanity-laden messages directed to elected officials who supported law enforcement’s desire to take a deliberate approach to the investigation of the shooting.

MSNBC quickly cut away from the press conference once Normand began reading the comments, which contained a variety of words not appropriate for broadcast.

Later in the press conference, when Normand finally stepped down from his soapbox and addressed the case, he said that Gasser became irritated when McKnight cut Gasser off in traffic. Gasser then pursued McKnight. McKnight eventually parked and went to Gasser’s car. At that point, Gasser fired three shots.

Gasser, according to Normand, became fearful of McKnight based on things McKnight said to Gasser.

Normand explained that the decision to arrest Gasser for manslaughter came after the authorities located multiple key witnesses. As to the witness who initially claimed that Gasser got out of his car and stood over McKnight before shooting him a final time, Normand said that the witness told three different stories in the course of an hour.

“Shame on that individual,” Normand said.

Normand then said the comments started the process down a path “that we collectively should be ashamed of.”

Normand perhaps should be ashamed of himself for being so thin-skinned about the situation. When a white man shoots a black man and the shooter initially goes free without explanation, there will definitely be a reaction from members of the public. But a sheriff should aspire to be above the fray, not to roll around in the middle of it.

The reaction from Normand suggests that neither he nor his department are fit to run the investigation or handle the case. Hopefully, the matter eventually will be pursued and prosecuted by responsible adults who realize that a certain amount of inaccurate and ill-informed scrutiny goes with the territory.

Without the involvement of professionals who are committed to doing the right thing without reacting to the noise, it becomes impossible for true and complete justice to be done. And that’s all anyone should want in the case of the death of Joe McKnight: True and complete justice.

128 responses to “Sheriff explains Joe McKnight shooting with another bizarre press conference

  1. Thin-skinned leaders who care more about criticism than actual results are so in these days.

  2. Thin skinned hmm, wonder which dear leader is. On another note, his initial press conference was just bizarre. Not surprised he is keeping that pattern ongoing.

  3. I was home for lunch and saw it live. It was truly bizarre and undignified for an officer of the law, regardless of rank, no matter what the circumstances.

  4. “Normand perhaps should be ashamed of himself for being so thin-skinned about the situation.”
    No, that should be the media. He had every right to be frustrated with outsides trying to stir up trouble in his community. Look at what happened in Baltimore….There are dangerous people working in the media who are causing major harm to race relations.

  5. Supposedly he followed McKnight for several miles before they were stopped. All he had to do was flash the gum and McKnight woudl have walked away. This sounds like murder not manslaughter since he pursued McKnight.

  6. Gasser was irritated because McKnight cut him off? That happens to all of us everyday…..but you don’t kill someone over it! Guy has major anger issues, hopefully a 4×8 cell for the rest of his life to think about it!

  7. I’ll repeat it this time for Normand

    Learn to control your emotions or your emotions will control you. Seems to be a growing epidemic in America. Do parents not teach these lessons to their children anymore? In my family we had to learn this before starting kindergarten.

    If you want you kid to be good at something start them young. Unfortunately that also includes being an emotional wreck. Some never grow out of their terrible twos.

  8. This sheriff needs to step down. He has lost confidence of a big portion of the community.

  9. Seems like McKnight was the only one entitled to stand their ground. This guy stalked him looking for a fight and bit off more than he could chew.

  10. If Gasser followed McKnight, he should not be entitled to a “stand your ground” defense.

    You should not be entitled to that defense if in any way you participate in instigating or escalating a confrontational situation.

  11. He’s thin skinned because America 2016 means the media and segments of the society don’t care about facts and justice in cases like this.

    All they really want to do is burn and loot and assign blame to actors not involved.

    He’s looking to keep a situation at bay where his officers will be called upon to protect protesters from one another and then the protesters end up shooting at his cops – Dallas anyone?

  12. Why is McKnight out of his vehicle if it’s the other guy who’s so mad? Quit acting like all the morons in the inner city that jump to conclusions without knowing the facts. I heard McKnight was chasing him.

  13. The sheriff is a strange guy, but I don’t think he has done anything wrong with the case. It’s a stand your ground state, so murder charges are harder to make stick and law enforcement has to be very deliberate in order to be successful. That may require letting someone walk for a period until you have enough evidence to charge them. In this case, they had to interview witnesses that weren’t available right away. You can’t keep someone in jail without charging them for a crime. I certainly do t want to live in a society that jails people without charging them.

    As to the manslaughter charge, I wish it were first degree murder, but you have to push the charge you know will be successful in court. Without video of the encounter it makes it difficult for the prosecution to come down hard on this guy because all they have is the witnesses and the defense attorneys will come at them hard to discredit them to the jurors. Manslaughter is disappointing but strategically more likely to lead to a successful outcome.

  14. This sounds like an ‘open and shut case’ to me. Gasser pursued McKnight. So McKnight gets out of his car to go talk to Gasser about it and Gasser pulled his gun and killed him from inside his car. Not only is that murder, that’s premeditated murder. According to Louisiana’s “carjacking defense” law you can defend yourself with lethal force if someone approaches your car and you feel like your life or health are in danger. But in this case Gasser pursued McKnight. McKnight would never have been in any position to allegedly threaten Gasser if Gasser had not of pursued McKnight to the point that he pulled over. Put Gasser away forever or fry him in the “chair”!

  15. Act like you have some sense to you and wait until you hear theREAL details. The first crack head witness was trying to say that this guy stood over him and shot him and that’s what people want to believe? This country is wack.

  16. So much false news out there along with arm chair lawyers. Let the Police do their job for a change!

  17. Florio: Can it be “stand your ground” if you are the one to initiated it? The guy road raged McKnight. Wasn’t he at fault for whatever happened?

  18. Nothing will happen to the false witness whose public statements thankfully did not light what has to be a very dangerous fuse in that community. Three different stories in an hour to the police. Is it any wonder between that and their former deputy’s connection to McKnight they proceeded with caution? But by all means let’s have more of the tin foil hat stuff and race card stuff. It’s just one more sad comment on our society that everything is always about something else. The truth is even Freud knew 99.99 % of the time a cigar is just a cigar.

  19. That picture is every stereotypical Southern good ol’ boy sheriff ever, personified.

    That being said I hope Gasser gets a heaping dose of jailhouse justice. He sounds like garbage in every sense of the word.

  20. Fairly obvious that this guy was expecting to run into some middle aged man or woman he could beat up in a gas station parking lot. When he saw McKnight and realized the shoe was on the other foot, he pooped himself.

  21. This is so sad. People get cut off every minute of every day and sometimes it is incredibly annoying but it should not be something that takes more than 5-30 seconds to get over. This didnt start when he was cut off, it started when he decided to follow McKnight. In doing so he is basically provoking confrontation. Of course McKnight wants to know why this guy is following him in a civilian car.

    I don’t know this but from what I have learned about this guy I just assume he is sitting in jail worrying about his own butt and having a ‘woah is me’ mentality, which also makes me sad.

    Article feels preachy. Dude is stressed and the media’s demand for immediate answers combined with everyone with a keyboard’s immediate ‘ruling’, he is not having a great week.

  22. The ability to handle an investigation properly and the ability to interact with the media properly about the investigation are two very different skill sets. Personally, I don’t care about how he treats the media. If his voters do, they can vote him out next time. Nothing thus far has shown me that he can’t handle the investigation itself.

    The media always wants to act like their hurt feelings, or any resistance to them doing their jobs, is indicative of some greater evil that should matter to consumers of media. We don’t care. We just want the story. Keep your commentary to yourself.

  23. @hollywood26 says:
    Dec 6, 2016 12:18 PM

    the media isn’t contributing to men being killed, people with guns are.

    ____________________________________
    Like in Charlotte? Ferguson? Where one thing was reported, like no one had a gun or no one attempted to grab an officer’s gun, only to find out both facts were the opposite and officers were in fact found not to have broken the law like the criminals?

  24. slash714 says:
    Dec 6, 2016 12:23 PM
    Why is McKnight out of his vehicle if it’s the other guy who’s so mad? Quit acting like all the morons in the inner city that jump to conclusions without knowing the facts. I heard McKnight was chasing him.

    You heard? NO that’s what you wanna belive stick to wearing a white sheet over your head

  25. I don’t know the answer here but no one should die if they misjudge the speed of an approaching vehicle and pull out in front of it. We all have done that at least once. Any reasonable person can be driven to act badly if they are pushed hard enough, but not to kill. All it took to create this tragedy was for a person to have to step on the brake when another car crossed their path with too little space and the reaction was to chase them down and shoot them dead. This is way outside the reasonable person scenario. This guy is a danger to others.

  26. kurdishpats1 says:
    Dec 6, 2016 12:12 PM
    So Gasser follows McKnight and kills him?

    What more needs to be said? Gasser initiated the situation.
    __________________________________

    That my friend sounds more like second degree murder than manslaughter. Lets not forget this same guy had a previous altercation at this same intersection. Sounds like a guy that wants to kill and figures stand you ground will get him off every time.

  27. This pic looks familiar. Wait – when did the Toronto mayor become Sherriff of Jefferson Parish, Louisiana?

  28. All witnesses to a crime should be mandated to take a lie detector test before their testimony is taken as the truth. Witness number one telling a falsehood is not uncommon these days

  29. Seems kinda odd that you would call out the sherriff for being “thin skinned” because thin skinned individuals are criticizing the police for doing their due diligence. Maybe someday it will in fact be Innocent before guilt again?

  30. The guy clearly hates the press. And probably for good reason in this case. So, why he is holding press conferences? They’re not a requirement in order for the police to do their jobs. They could just issue printed releases or say nothing at all and let the media go by the public records. Or if they thought a press conference was needed just send up an underling to just reiterate the basics.

  31. Sounds all too familiar. Media inserts opinions and story lines, public believes them, people get mad, law enforcement is to blame, innocent people lose their jobs, rioting begins.

    God forbid letting the facts come out.

    Sincerely,

    Hands up, don’t shoot…

  32. fsstnotch says:
    Dec 6, 2016 12:47 PM
    Seems kinda odd that you would call out the sherriff for being “thin skinned” because thin skinned individuals are criticizing the police for doing their due diligence. Maybe someday it will in fact be Innocent before guilt again?

    Lets have that discussion in about a month after Barney Fife has resigned his post in disgrace…

  33. “Learn to control your emotions or your emotions will control you. Seems to be a growing epidemic in America. Do parents not teach these lessons to their children anymore? In my family we had to learn this before starting kindergarten.”

    No. Now they teach them that every single person is “special”. I suspect that you, like I, came from a generation where if we got angry and mouthed off with a teacher the teacher smacked us one or the principal did. Or at the very least we got detention. And were not very likely to repeat the incident.

    Now said teacher or principal would be arrested for assault and child abuse if they did that. Parents can find themselves with DCF at their door if they discipline the kids too much and the kid cries wolf to them or at school.

    Its a changed world and political correctness has become a disease that common sense has a hard time overcoming.

  34. People slamming McKnight for pulling over and getting out of his car (after getting followed). I guess they would have let crazy dude with gun follow them to their home. Jeopardize their family. America these days. Sad. But what can minorities do.

  35. To the people who gave my previous comment a thumbs down.
    What makes people in the media qualified to question the integrity of law enforcement?
    Why are you accepting the fact that the media reports rumors and their interpretations of the rumors instead of facts?
    Why are you giving them a pass when the rumors they’ve reported have caused riots?
    Why don’t you want a news source that reports the truth?
    Why don’t you want people held accountable for false reports that lead to violence?

  36. Not understanding your point on this one Florio. The media narrative was “white man shoots black man film at 11” including the “witness” stating it as an execution from the get go. That would frustrate me just a wee bit if I was trying to do an investigation….hey media before you run the witness BS of “he stood over him and shot him” maybe talk to the police and see if there is any evidence at all that corroborates that? Thats what he is frustrated about.

  37. Really want to see how his defense will justify that Gasser felt his life was in imminent danger that justified his use of lethal force. From what I’m reading I just can’t see how there weren’t a half dozen things he could have done before choosing lethal force.

  38. So if it was determined that Gasser was upset, followed McKnight, argument led to shooting, why was he released?

    Sounds exactly like the Will Smith case?

  39. Don’t get out of your car and confront people if they are following you. call 911, drive to a police station. Once McKnight left his vehicle he became the aggressor.

  40. Don’t get out of your car and confront people if they are following you. call 911, drive to a police station. Once McKnight left his vehicle he became the aggressor.

  41. “When a white man shoots a black man and the shooter initially goes free without explanation, there will definitely be a reaction from members of the public. ”

    Should be “When a person shoots another person and the shooter initially goes free without explanation”

    but the media seems to like to promote racial tension, somehow in he name of improving race relations.

  42. Gasser is a murderer.

    He followed/chased McKnight looking for a beef and he found it.

    He shot a man from inside his vehicle because he was cut off in traffic.

    McKnight should have kept driving, but he was unarmed and did not need to be shot down.

    Case closed, string him up.

    Go RAIDERS

  43. Probably not the forum to ask this question but here we go;

    So you want the right to carry a gun, but what happens when you kill someone for cutting you up in car, hardly a major issue it happens millions of times everyday to all of us.

    Please explain to me how the dead mans family get restitution? Their family is dead he is not coming back and why, because yet another idiot with a gun decided to terminate his life for basically nothing. When do the rights of non gun carriers start to count for something against these idiots and gun crazed people?

  44. Yes, when I think of a sheriff, I think of above the fray. Like Joe Arpaio and David Clarke. Very sensible human beings who only want to serve justice for the public. Don’t want any unwarranted attention at all.

  45. Did anyone really think these so called “Stand Your Ground Laws” weren’t going to be used at some point by some coward with an attitude problem to justify killing someone so they didn’t have to be afraid of getting their butt kicked? Chasing after someone who cut you off isn’t standing your ground, it’s looking for a fight.

  46. I just hope that they have multiple credible witness accounts of everything that happened.

    The situation could have played out 10 different ways, with varying degrees of guilt to either party.

    Gasser certainly does not seem like a model citizen to me, but again that’s where consistent eyewitness accounts will be key.

  47. Kaz says:
    Dec 6, 2016 12:58 PM
    People slamming McKnight for pulling over and getting out of his car (after getting followed). I guess they would have let crazy dude with gun follow them to their home. Jeopardize their family. America these days. Sad. But what can minorities do.

    Nice that your crystal ball can predict what would have happened. You’re making assumptions based on race. Know what that’s called?

    It’s terrible that Mcknight was killed. If Gasser had gotten out of his car it’s a whole different story. There’s a lesson here but sadly it will be wasted in favor of the usual race chants. Y’all were so ready to believe the first “eyewitness” account, weren’t you now? Now that you know it was a lie you’re digging for other reasons.

    They guy who ends up dead may be a victim, but it doesn’t mean he wasn’t the cause in the first place. But when al lis said and done, if the evidence shows us that Gasser is the bad guy, then he should get the max.

    And we should all think about this next time we are cut off, or cut someone else off and act accordingly.

  48. So some guy chases you around in your car, when you come out of your car unarmed to question the guy, YOU are the ‘aggressor’?

    Are we allowed to do anything (again unarmed)?

    Are we allowed to shoot anybody for any reason, simply because they approached us? (regardless of who initiated the disagreement in the first place.)

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    Lemmy Aksyadis says:
    Dec 6, 2016 1:11 PM
    Don’t get out of your car and confront people if they are following you. call 911, drive to a police station. Once McKnight left his vehicle he became the aggressor.

  49. More thumbs down but not one answer to my questions. What the hell are universities teaching the youth nowadays? The youth seems incapable of independent thought, using reasoning and logic, asking the right questions, problem solving, fact checking, debate, or recognizing when they are being manipulated. Wake up!

  50. “Don’t get out of your car and confront people if they are following you. call 911, drive to a police station. Once McKnight left his vehicle he became the aggressor.”

    —————————————————

    And then the aggressor was shot by the poor, innocent, upstanding American citizen who feared for his safety. Great narrative.

  51. it is not surprising reading all of the shade tree and wannabe so called lawyers and journalists who come out of the wood works to promote their thinking on a situation they know nothing about. All they can do is comment on what the media is telling them. i haven’t seen one of them admit they were wrong when they wanted to prosecute Gasser immediately upon the false report of him standing over McKnight. I haven’t seen Reggie Bush update his twitter either stating he was wrong.

    I have no idea if Gasser is right or wrong. I trust the justice system will get it correct, but thank god we aren’t judged by the community. So many sheep people out there. Just keep following the herd. I agree Normand should be frustrated, especially when his officers are being killed but the media only shows attention to an NFL football player in a racist road rage activity. Please pay more attention to all activities.
    ALL LIVES MATTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  52. smithdp says:
    Dec 6, 2016 1:26 PM
    Did anyone really think these so called “Stand Your Ground Laws” weren’t going to be used at some point by some coward with an attitude problem to justify killing someone so they didn’t have to be afraid of getting their butt kicked?

    So you were OK with those who died prior to this law?

    Try reading up on how and why this came to be. Or perhaps you think it’s OK that a terrified woman actually jumped to her death because a very large raging man was chasing her. Maybe you think it’s OK that older folks were attacked in their homes, in parking lots or just out for a walk by large aggressive people.

  53. Gasser should have driven away. Not sure about Manslaughter entirely but…

    just as Gasser should have driven away, McKnight never should have stopped…and definitely should have never approached this vehicle…he could have driven away too.

    It is ridiculous that traffic issues go this far…that said, I think it will be important to at least hear the details involved in the incident.

    One can cut off someone and further incite the incident themselves, show contrition at a mistake in driving, etc….and I don’t think anyone outside of this investigation has the information to know these details…if anyone outside of Gasser really has them.

    To those wanting murder and especially murder 1…remember the difficulty in proving that beyond a reasonable doubt and if found innocent of that he could not then be tried for a lesser charge.

  54. I am so tired of everything being brought up as a black on white thing. This was not a black and white thing, this was about 2 men acting like kids and having road rage. Everyone needs to just stop with all the black/white crap.

  55. Normand is just one more mediocrity unfit for his position of power, just like so many others in this country, especially with what’s about to happen in Washington.

  56. Gasser pursued him but regardless ….. He should have never gone to gasser’s car…. as a result not sure if the manslaughter charge will stick. Hopefully gasser gets his due but it will likely have to come from God.

  57. No, everyone won’t stop with the black vs. white crap because a similar incident occurred in this area a few years ago. The black guy who was the shooter was arrested immediately, charged with murder, and held. The only difference was the victim actually pursued him.

  58. This is the problem with the right to own a gun. You will have trigger happy nut jobs who under duress will pull the trigger. If this bad tempered individual owned this firearm legally the organisation who granted his licence should also be held accountable. Not living in the States not sure how people with firearm licenses are checked out and if they are lucky to be given the green light to own a gun how often are they schooled and examined during their ownership. Surely you just pass a test and that it ? As great as your country is some of your laws in some states / counties are lacking intelligence. Dare i say it some law makers still think it 1889.

  59. This guy is a disgrace. He’s used to being cop, judge, jury, and executioner without interference from anyone. Look what happens when the light of day comes into the picture. The guy freaks out, blows his stack, and can’t handle a simple press conference. He should be removed from his job immediately.

  60. This sheriff needs to step down. He has lost confidence of a big portion of the community

    No he hasn’t.

  61. Oh Boy…up on my soapbox AGAIN! They are going with the BEST charge that gives them the BEST chance at a conviction! It’s NOT a race issue – at least from the Sheriffs Dept end, though there could be a conflict of issue.
    Gasser on the other hand is a hothead that has history of road-rage that needs to locked up – BUT I don’t see THIS incident as being a race issue. While some will moan that he
    should be charged with murder, just remember this tidbit:
    State of Florida vs George Zimmerman – the States Attorney
    sought the slam-dunk 2nd Degree Murder conviction BECAUSE of media & outside influence and it blew up in their face! They need to charge Gasser with – what a jury is MOST likely to find him guilty of!
    I’m a Black retired LEO & NO Uncle Tom !

  62. I will say this it is new services like MSNBC, CNN and FoxNews that send great lawmen like the Sheriff to have the Press conference like he did. People jump for the wrong reason and thank god for outlets like NPR and Al Jazeera ..in the end two men’s lives are changed for ever because neither could act descent to each other and felt violence was the only way one by acting like a 5 year old and chasing a man down the street and the other by using a gun like it was toy…we should all be ashamed

  63. “Don’t get out of your car and confront people if they are following you. call 911, drive to a police station. Once McKnight left his vehicle he became the aggressor.”

    ~~~

    Or…from the perspective of the guy still alive…ok you’re following him because you’re mad and want to scare him a little. Then don’t stop when he does, if he is stopping the situation is escalating. If you do stop give yourself several car lengths since it is less threatening and you have room to react to an “aggressor”. Don’t take your car out of gear. If he gets out don’t get out too. If he gets out drive away. If he’s running at you screaming, drive away. Gasser had plenty of chances to control the situation before using lethal force.

  64. johnelviswetzle says:
    Dec 6, 2016 2:34 PM
    I will say this it is new services like MSNBC, CNN and FoxNews that send great lawmen like the Sheriff to have the Press conference like he did. People jump for the wrong reason and thank god for outlets like NPR and Al Jazeera ..in the end two men’s lives are changed for ever because neither could act descent to each other and felt violence was the only way one by acting like a 5 year old and chasing a man down the street and the other by using a gun like it was toy…we should all be ashamed.
    _________________________________________

    Ummm… Wasn’t the guy doing the “chasing” the same guy that had the gun?? Or did I get that wrong?

  65. spartan01 says:
    Dec 6, 2016 2:40 PM

    I get what your saying. But its not iilegal to stop and shout at eachother. The second you get out of your car you are in the wrong leggaly speaking. Dont ever get out of your car.

  66. Anyone notice a trend that people with guns seem to be more “fearful” for their lives than those without them?

  67. 72DolphinsStillUnmatched says:
    Dec 6, 2016 12:11 PM

    The charge should be 1st degree murder against Gasser who has a history of road rage violence.
    He could of easily driven away.

    Overreaching on a charge is what got a number of high-profile cases cleared… Casey Anthony, George Zimmerman. Manslaughter is likely the charge that will stick based on the evidence, and it beats an acquittal for a murder charge.

  68. Kinda sounds like you’re suggesting the Sheriff’s decisions should be made with concern to how the public might react, rather than what’s right by the law. He did this the diligent way, now it’s time to put this clown behind bars for a long time. You pick a fight with someone and then shoot him from the safety of your own car? What a joke.

  69. flexx91 says:
    Dec 6, 2016 2:03 PM

    No, everyone won’t stop with the black vs. white crap because a similar incident occurred in this area a few years ago. The black guy who was the shooter was arrested immediately, charged with murder, and held. The only difference was the victim actually pursued him.
    ___________________________________

    No two cases are the same. Gasser ends up behind bars and will likely post bond at some point, makes no difference if he’s arrested on site or a week later. Better to do this right than just gut react based on what we think the public might do.

  70. BillAndTomsAsteriskAdventure says:
    Dec 6, 2016 3:17 PM

    Anyone notice a trend that people with guns seem to be more “fearful” for their lives than those without them?
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    Comment of the day!!!

  71. djvh2 says:
    Dec 6, 2016 1:11 PM
    “When a white man shoots a black man and the shooter initially goes free without explanation, there will definitely be a reaction from members of the public. ”

    Should be “When a person shoots another person and the shooter initially goes free without explanation”

    but the media seems to like to promote racial tension, somehow in he name of improving race relations.

    ——

    you ever stop to think that the media may just be reporting on the racial tension that exists, because, it does exist?

    certainly I understand that a white person shooting a black person instills a certain message, much like a black person shooting a white person instills a certain, albeit likely different, message.

  72. I don’t kow what happened because I was not there. What I do know is I don’t trust the Media and I don’t trust the cops and it is truly sad that one human being would take the life of another human being over something trivial but hey thats the Murica we live in….guns guns and more guns. The human race is the scurge of the earth.

  73. I’m fairly certain that when you get yourself into a bad situation on purpose, like forcing a confrontation when you had MILES of space and time to drive off and do something useful with your time, that you cannot claim self-defense.

    Just my understanding of criminal law/self-defense in most states. Interesting to see what a jury decides (if there’s no plea deal).

  74. footballfanatic says:
    Dec 6, 2016 3:10 PM

    spartan01 says:
    Dec 6, 2016 2:40 PM

    I get what your saying. But its not iilegal to stop and shout at eachother. The second you get out of your car you are in the wrong leggaly speaking. Dont ever get out of your car.

    ~~~~

    I agree that shouting isn’t illegal. I agree you shouldn’t leave your car because it escalates. It will be up to the judge and jury to decide if Gasser was truly in imminent life threatening danger. I hope when they do decide they are able to take into account Gasser made multiple choices to put/keep himself in this escalating situation rather than choosing to remove himself from it. The idea behind the law is that you are in a life threatening situation without your choice. Gasser had a choice.

  75. When a white man shoots a black man and the shooter initially goes free without explanation, there will definitely be a reaction from members of the public. ”

    Should be “When a person shoots another person and the shooter initially goes free without explanation”

    but the media seems to like to promote racial tension, somehow in he name of improving race relations.

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    Media narrative: blame the white man.Black-0n-White crimes are largely ignored because they don’t fit the media narrative. …

  76. Not everyone is going to take violence inciting fake news accusations and insinuations of letting murderers go free due to racial bias lying down. Get used to it.

  77. spartan01 says:
    Dec 6, 2016 2:40 PM
    “Don’t get out of your car and confront people if they are following you. call 911, drive to a police station. Once McKnight left his vehicle he became the aggressor.”

    ~~~

    Or…from the perspective of the guy still alive…ok you’re following him because you’re mad and want to scare him a little. Then don’t stop when he does, if he is stopping the situation is escalating. If you do stop give yourself several car lengths since it is less threatening and you have room to react to an “aggressor”. Don’t take your car out of gear. If he gets out don’t get out too. If he gets out drive away. If he’s running at you screaming, drive away. Gasser had plenty of chances to control the situation before using lethal force.

    We’d need to know more about the specifics of the geography and car positions before we can come to that conclusion but, yeah.

  78. tangovader says:
    Dec 6, 2016 1:33 PM
    “Don’t get out of your car and confront people if they are following you. call 911, drive to a police station. Once McKnight left his vehicle he became the aggressor.”

    —————————————————

    And then the aggressor was shot by the poor, innocent, upstanding American citizen who feared for his safety. Great narrative.

    Not a narrative. It’s an exact account of the situation based on the facts in evidence to this point. Adding the hyperbole of “innocent Upstanding blah blah blah, now that’s a narrative.

  79. be careful who you threaten to shoot/kill, that person may be armed, and trained on how to use a handgun

  80. steveylang says:
    Dec 6, 2016 1:32 PM
    So some guy chases you around in your car, when you come out of your car unarmed to question the guy, YOU are the ‘aggressor’?

    By definition, yes you are. If McKnight doesn’t approach, he’s still alive today.

    This doesn’t make Gasser right. It makes them both wrong. But in McKnight’s case he’s now dead wrong. It just means that you shouldn’t be trying to handle a situation like that personally. It’s called using your brain instead of your testosterone. Joe was a bit of a hothead based on previous accounts in the news.

    A guy is following you in a car after an altercation and you get out to confront in this day and age, dictionary definition of stupid. Don’t you think it’s pretty near past time we stopped trying to solve things with fists or bats or guns or by burning and looting?

  81. 345snarkavenue says:
    Dec 6, 2016 3:58 PM
    djvh2 says:
    Dec 6, 2016 1:11 PM
    “When a white man shoots a black man and the shooter initially goes free without explanation, there will definitely be a reaction from members of the public. ”

    Should be “When a person shoots another person and the shooter initially goes free without explanation”

    but the media seems to like to promote racial tension, somehow in he name of improving race relations.

    ——

    you ever stop to think that the media may just be reporting on the racial tension that exists, because, it does exist?

    It exists alright, but does the media have to put whipped cream, sprinkles and a cherry on it every time? The rush to be first can also get people killed when others over react to initial misinformation.

    Just look how many here were only too ready to jump on the first eyewitness account which we now know was a lie. That’s racial tension for you.

    Just chill people. More anger and violence rarely calms anything down.

  82. He’s not even the worst official in the New Orleans area. Mitch Landrieu, New Orleans mayor, is too busy worrying about removing statues than the murder problem within his city limits. Thankfully, the Landrieu dynasty hopefully will be over in May, 2018.

  83. So Gasser initiated the whole confrontation, then shot McKnight when he felt “threatened”? I’m no lawyer, but to me it sounds more like 2nd degree murder than manslaughter.

  84. Even if it McKnight got out to his car it’s no reason for him to beat shot and killed. There’s no self-defense in this case for Gasser as you escalated the situation by following him and also stopping his car. Also if you want to do harm to somebody you’re not going to do it for the passenger window. We don’t know what words were exchange to lead up to McKnight being killed, but if I see a unmarked car that I know isn’t police I would want to know why the hell they’re following behind me.

  85. “Its a changed world and political correctness has become a disease that common sense has a hard time overcoming.”

    NO — it’s a changed world and too many yahoos with guns have become a disease that common sense has a hard time overcoming.

  86. You know, you look at people who get themselves elected nowadays and you wonder about the people doing the voting.

  87. If the latest reports are true, McKnight put himself in a dangerous situation. But unless McKnight walked up to Gasser’s car with a gun in his hand, Gasser’s life wasn’t in danger and he’s guilty.

    No need to inject race into it. Getting out of your car to confront someone who is following you after you cut them off, is like walking through a high crime area alone at night. You don’t deserve to lose your life, but its a stupid thing to do.

  88. smithdp says:
    Dec 6, 2016 1:26 PM
    Did anyone really think these so called “Stand Your Ground Laws” weren’t going to be used at some point by some coward with an attitude problem to justify killing someone so they didn’t have to be afraid of getting their butt kicked?

    So you were OK with those who died prior to this law?

    Try reading up on how and why this came to be. Or perhaps you think it’s OK that a terrified woman actually jumped to her death because a very large raging man was chasing her. Maybe you think it’s OK that older folks were attacked in their homes, in parking lots or just out for a walk by large aggressive people.


    Not the same. Let’s not try so hard to make it so. The shooter here actually did the chasing. In the end was in his car, driver’s seat, and shot an unarmed man out the passenger side window glass. Fear for his life? C’mon man. These facts don’t match what you’re talking about.

  89. mullman76 says:
    Dec 6, 2016 6:17 PM

    @lemmy: You are way off on this one, my friend

    Perhaps. We’ll know better if more facts come out. I’m not arguing intent since I’m not clairvoyant. Just pointing out that once you leave your car you’ve changed the situation. I’m not talking about a bang bang play at an intersection. This played out over a distance and there were other options available. What folks aren’t grasping is that Joe’s “right” to approach Gasser seems strangely close to a stand your ground situation.

    Any rush to judgment should cause concern. Ferguson suffered deeply as a result of people sinking their teeth into a false witness statement. Far too many comments here that are race biased for someone not to speak up.

    Personally I think Gasser deserves jail time.

  90. uscric says:
    Dec 7, 2016 2:14 AM
    smithdp says:
    Dec 6, 2016 1:26 PM
    Did anyone really think these so called “Stand Your Ground Laws” weren’t going to be used at some point by some coward with an attitude problem to justify killing someone so they didn’t have to be afraid of getting their butt kicked?

    So you were OK with those who died prior to this law?

    Try reading up on how and why this came to be. Or perhaps you think it’s OK that a terrified woman actually jumped to her death because a very large raging man was chasing her. Maybe you think it’s OK that older folks were attacked in their homes, in parking lots or just out for a walk by large aggressive people.


    Not the same. Let’s not try so hard to make it so. The shooter here actually did the chasing. In the end was in his car, driver’s seat, and shot an unarmed man out the passenger side window glass. Fear for his life? C’mon man. These facts don’t match what you’re talking about.

    BTW, did you know that Joe had a gun in his car? Did you know that he wasn’t the only one being chased but was doing some of the chasing as well, according to Police reports. So let’s review, Joe initiates the incident by his aggressive driving. Exacerbates the situation by chasing Gasser. Then, while Gasser is boxed in with no avenue for retreat, he gets out of his car and approaches Gasser.

    No one knows what the intent was during the “chase”. It’s not out of bounds to consider that Gasser never thought it would go this far and he was just being a jackhole following McKnight. I’m simply pointing out to those who have decided that all stand your ground laws are wrong that you are looking through a microscope. Stand your ground wasn’t an idea that just sprang into being overnight. It was born of a combination of castle doctrine and a reaction to more than one situation where “bad guys” were onto the concept that they could terrorize and that their victims had little recourse. Sure, you can call the police after you’ve been beaten, robbed etc but citizens don’t deserve to live in a country where might makes right. Have some misused the law, sure, just like every other law. But to toss the baby out with the bathwater doesn’t make sense either.

    All that said, a guy died because of a traffic altercation and there’s no good ending for anyone. It’s why I won’t ever get out of my car in a situation like this.

  91. tomtravis76 says:
    Dec 6, 2016 7:01 PM
    So this guy follows McKnight and he is armed….He did so in hopes of this outcome.

    Both were armed, read the police reports, not just the headlines.

  92. “When a [ ] man shoots a[nother] man and the shooter initially goes free without explanation, there will definitely be a reaction from members of the public.”

    This statement works just as well (in fact, better) without the words “white” and “black” the author had to use.

    Since when does that even have to factor into it?

    What happened to the good old days of “content of their character” > “color of their skin”…?

    Turns out there IS lots of racism in this country – it’s just not of the type or variety the pop culture media and academia elitists and limousine liberals would have you believe.

  93. Just reading these comments makes me understand why the sheriff is thin skinned.

    Also, don’t forget all the first reactions were based on the false witness testimony.

    He’s also got a terrible case to work with. Gasser is in the wrong but he’s not the one who got out of his car and approached the other.

    I don’t like it but the law is on Gasser’s side. McKnight could’ve easily have driven away too.

  94. As to the manslaughter charge, I wish it were first degree murder, but you have to push the charge you know will be successful in court. Without video of the encounter it makes it difficult for the prosecution to come down hard on this guy because all they have is the witnesses and the defense attorneys will come at them hard to discredit them to the jurors. Manslaughter is disappointing but strategically more likely to lead to a successful outcome.

    Well put sir. Or ma’am. That is how cases like Kasey Anthony and OJ are lost. Going for the grand slam instead of taking the sure fire (or best possible chance) for a conviction. Put him in jail and if and when parole were to come up, his past issues would surely be a factor in him not getting out…

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