Dysfunction descends on Rams front office

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“I don’t make excuses, but there’s a lot of dysfunction in the organization right now.”

That’s probably not an excuse that we’ll be hearing from Rams coach Jeff Fisher after his team’s next loss, in large part because one of his recent non-excuse excuses took the dysfunction to a new level.

Albert Breer of TheMMQB.com has harvested quotes from unnamed Rams sources that underscore the problems flowing from Fisher’s recent effort to attribute the franchise’s struggles to shortcomings in personnel.

“It pissed me off because I knew it was meant as a shot,” one unnamed Rams source told Breer. “You see it under that umbrella — ‘We need to do a better job in personnel.’ OK, but you want everyone to think that you have full control. You can’t have it both ways, and it can’t always be the talent. Look at the roster, 2012 to now. In ’12, Jeff did a masterful job with what he was given. But we’ve gotten more talent, and we’ve gotten worse.”

Said Fisher on Tuesday: “I look at this as being my responsibility, the win-loss record. We need to do a better job from a personnel standpoint. We’ve had some unfortunate things take place with some high picks in Stedman Bailey and Tre Mason and those kinds of things you don’t anticipate.”

Coupled with Fisher, who has a two-year contract extension, claiming he didn’t know that G.M. Les Snead also had received a contract extension, Fisher’s comments create the impression that Fisher isn’t really running the show, and that he’s at the mercy of those who actually have the power that Fisher doesn’t.

Said another Rams source to Breer: “It’s always good to have healthy tension between the coach and GM, but that shouldn’t hurt the team or cause finger-pointing. Over five years, [Tuesday] was the first time you saw public comments. That should never happen. . . . The organization has given them a long leash. And given that they’ve had time, they have to win, and they have to be able to work together.”

Many will think they have no choice but to work together because they each have two-year contracts beyond 2016. But given that the extensions were in place well before the season began (and in light of the belief that they cover only one year), the changed circumstances arising from a bad season and a worse situation within the organization could still prompt owner Stan Kroenke to press the reset button — especially if Kroenke is worried that he’ll be unable to sell an ideal amount of premium products for the new stadium in Inglewood if the team persists with a power structure that: (1) isn’t getting along; and (2) isn’t having nearly enough success.

The next question becomes whether and to what extent the anonymous quotes given to Breer will cause even more problems in the building, especially once Fisher begins connecting the dots in an effort to figure out who’s been blabbing. Chances are that the comments weren’t recklessly given to Breer after a couple of beers but that the leak was engineered to provoke a reaction from a guy who is absent-mindedly meandering toward a cliff.

68 responses to “Dysfunction descends on Rams front office

  1. Gotta love LA. This organization gets way more ink than any 4-8 team deserves.

    LA is a turnstile for NFL franchises. How long will the Rams last there this time?

  2. “The next question becomes whether and to what extent the anonymous quotes given to Breer will cause even more problems in the building, especially once Fisher begins connecting the dots in an effort to figure out who’s been blabbing.”

    If watching him try to connect the dots is anywhere near as entertaining as watching him trying to find his challenge flag in NE then count me in

  3. Who cares? I became a NFL Fan Free Agent after the extension debacle. There is no way anyone in this franchise deserved any extension. When the current ownership makes Georgia Frontiere look like a genius theres an issue.

    Here are some numbers: 7-8-1, 7-9, 6-10, 7-9, and soon to be 4-12. Any idiot can see the trend and yet Fisher was re-upped.

    I grew up with the LAms in Anaheim but never again will I waste any further time or money cheering for them.

  4. gdive says:
    Dec 8, 2016 10:00 AM
    Been a Rams fan for a long time and I’ve never seen a bigger “Clown Show” than these guys in the FO.

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    Long time Rams fan? I’m so, so sorry.

  5. Did LA really think the circus that was St. Louis would magically change when they hit Hollywood? There is only one Magic Castle so the Rams need to get to work. It doesn’t help that average coach Jeff Fisher is still hanging around. They need serious changes.

  6. Of course Fisher needs to be fired, but who has confidence in ownership to hire a deserving replacement? Most likely someone like Rex Ryan will be handed the keys.

  7. Fisher acting like he doesn’t have control or knowledge of personal decisions is a flat out farce.Every single true Rams fan is tired of the losing and the constant excuses that he claims he doesn’t make. Here’s just a few head scratchers

    Rams consistently are near the top of the league lead in penalties. Jeff’s weekly response- “We need to work on that”. and yet no signs of improvement.

    Benches LT Greg Robinson (first rd pick in 2014) for 1 game with the reasoning of “Greg needs a week off to rest”. No Jeff…. he’s had 3 years to improve and yet leads the league in penalties.

    Says “we need to get Gurley 20 touches a game minimum”. He’s getting 12-15.

  8. Maybe, just maybe the Rams front office could research their picks better. It is however to take the easy way out and blame dysfunction. That they created.

  9. When California leaves the United States, the NFL will finally get its wish of expanding to foreign countries.

    Of course by then, the Rams and 9ers may be the only NFL teams left in California.

  10. Jeff Fisher may not be be the worst coach in the league, but he has no business still having a job let alone a contract extension.

  11. Lol the Rams fans should stay away from all remaining home games and cancel their season tix for next year.

    Send a message to ownership and the league you won’t put up with this amateur organization that puts such a wretchedly bad product on the field.

    Since they can’t blackout games anymore it would be great to see stadiums like this one and the one in Cleveland empty of home team fans for the remaining games. You need to organize and stay away.

  12. Fish and I used to get high a lot in college. His amazing and beautiful mind moves in very cool ways and he is one groovy cat. Just wait, he will bring the Powers of Zenith to LA Land! Stay cool brothers and learn!

  13. Unnamed sources are cowards. I get it you don’t like Fisher. Stir the pot more and get your jollies with the bashing. Everyone is an expert.

  14. Sort of hilarious that the exact year the NFL brought LA (2nd largest market in America) back into the TV fold, their ratings have hit the skids.

    Too many cooks spoiled the broth.
    Couldn’t leave well enough alone.

  15. We’ve had some unfortunate things take place with some high picks in Stedman Bailey and Tre Mason and those kinds of things you don’t anticipate.”
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    These two 3rd round picks not panning out is far from the main reason that the Rams have imploded.

  16. schmitty2 says:
    Dec 8, 2016 10:16 AM
    Every single true Rams fan is tired of the losing and the constant excuses that he claims he doesn’t make.
    ________________

    True Rams fans? Do the 200 of you have a special seating section?

  17. I wish that insider could explain, “It’s always good to have healthy tension between the coach and GM.” Why would that be a good thing. Wouldn’t those two guys being on the same page be a much better option?

  18. Steve Fisher and that dude who coaches the Bengals are the only people who fo not need to win to keep their jobs. They’re like Supreme Court justices in those jobs …. or professors.

  19. The fans should send a clear message. Don’t go to the games, don’t buy merchandise..whether it’s LA or any other market that does not put forth a respectable effort. I’m not saying don’t be a fan, I’m saying don’t give them your money until they earn it. With the price of tickets, and merchandise, why should a team expect or think that people will shell out hard earned money to watch sub par teams? The NFL has priced themselves out of many of their core audience’s price range.

  20. Terrible owner, horrible coach and front office. No fan of the NFL is surprised to see this team go bad year after year. Stop talking about this team. If I was a California resident I would be pissed at Goodell for bringing this trash team to LA.
    And Goodell fix your refs not the games.

  21. Another consideration is that Stan won’t mind because he’ll be getting subsidized by the Chargers paying rent.

  22. The Rams & NFL wanted to blame STL to relocate, but now that they are in the sunshine of LALA, everybody can see the toxic organization owned by StanK of the NFL Rams.

  23. You’re going to tell me that Fisher wasn’t in on the horrible move to go get Goff? Yeah right. Dickerson has to be right. Who’s this guy got dirt on? Only way to explain why he’s still in the league. I don’t think there’s another coach in the league that respects him. I sure know Zimmer doesn’t respect him. He made that clear last season.

  24. “It doesn’t help that average coach Jeff Fisher is still hanging around.”
    ******************

    To be average, wouldn’t you have to be .500?

  25. The insider is Kevin Demoff. The dysfunction is not only the GM and HC , its the entire organization. This will get worse before it gets better. It will be interesting to see if and when both Fisher and Snead are let go , if any of the dirty laundry comes out about the relocation , the lies that were told and the inner workings of SK and Demoff. Everyone is in the cover your ass mode now. Just think LA , you could be getting another inept franchise very soon. The Chargers and Rams will make a very good couple in your new stadium. Now if the Raiders show up , the Rams might as well move yet again. As a STLouisan , Im enjoying the show. If they ever want to get better and I hope they never do , they better get some tough ,experienced NFL football people in there to run that organization . Someone that knows how to win. Someone that will bring some discipline to the organization and to the field. Someone that demands the there will be no petty bickering and go to work on turning the franchise around.

  26. “Steve Fisher and that dude who coaches the Bengals are the only people who fo not need to win to keep their jobs.”

    *****************
    So now we know their problem – they’re trying to use a basketball coach.

  27. Fisher should spend less time coming up with excuse-making propoganda and more time trying to get his team and players better.

    So relieved to hear that his extension was signed before the season. It means the Rams haven’t re-committed after his embarassing performance this season.

    They need to start over after the season with a new coach as well as GM.

  28. “The Rams & NFL wanted to blame STL to relocate, but now that they are in the sunshine of LALA, everybody can see the toxic organization owned by StanK of the NFL Rams.”
    _________________________________
    The NFL & Rams slimed the STL sports community to justify the relocation. We sold out he stadium from 1995 to 2006. The inept leadership and miserable performance finally eroded fan support.
    I had four season tickets for all 21 years. STL will survive and move on. Good luck to LA Rams fans. We feel your pain.

  29. If making excuses, leaking news, or feeding news to reporters was all an NFL HC had to do, Fisher would be a first ballot HOF’er.

  30. As bad as Fisher is, and make no mistake he should have been axed years ago, at some point you have to also look upstairs at ownership. CLUELESS comes to mind and both the team and fanbase suffer because of it. Are you sensing an obvious parallel to another NFC-W team that resides up the coast?

  31. I believe that Fisher and the team probably had some agreement not to release the information about the contract extension back when it was signed for whatever reason and that Fisher and/or his agent leaked it now so that it will be more awkward or difficult to fire him after this season.

    Typical selfish Fisher move. He’s a below average coach who does an above average job of looking out for himself.

  32. getyourownname says:
    Dec 8, 2016 11:13 AM
    “Steve Fisher and that dude who coaches the Bengals are the only people who fo not need to win to keep their jobs.”

    *****************
    So now we know their problem – they’re trying to use a basketball coach.

    —————————

    This is very true …. AND if you add that in with preparing for Danny Woodhead when you play the Patriots … you might run into some problems.

  33. This dysfunction is known as “The Kroenke Effect”. Stan Kroenke is also the owner of the Denver Nuggets and the Colorado Avalanche, 2 franchises that are just as pathetic as the Rams. Why? Kroenke is a businessman that doesn’t understand sports. When the franchise makes money, he sees it as a successful endeavor and wants to keep the profits increasing, so he keeps the franchise exactly the same, regardless of Win-Loss records. Snead and Fisher getting extentions isn’t shocking to anyone familiar with Kroenke.

  34. I know somewhere Dan Snyder is doing a happy dance that other NFL organizations have wrested the dysfunctional award from him and the Redskins.

    I haven’t seen a good rant about Snyder for a while now….

  35. I don’t like Fisher at all and think he needs to get canned. That said, read his full quote again:

    Said Fisher on Tuesday: “I look at this as being my responsibility, the win-loss record. We need to do a better job from a personnel standpoint. We’ve had some unfortunate things take place with some high picks in Stedman Bailey and Tre Mason and those kinds of things you don’t anticipate.”

    He said the word “personnel” but I can easily see how it wasn’t a shot at all. Mason had mental health issues and Bailey had the shooting. He said those were things you couldn’t anticipate. He’s right. How is that a shot at management? It’s not like he said “we don’t do a good job drafting and our personnel department sucks.” I would love to crush Fisher on this, but I think it’s blown out of proportion here.

  36. The head coach who just got an extension had no clue the GM also was extended? Hard to believe. However, it is Fisher we are talking about. That interview where he was talking about the Patriots running backs like it was three seasons ago showed he’s not exactly on top of things.

  37. The only reason Fisher lasted so long with the Titans and Rams is he’s the only one in the organization with a contact at Mayflower Movers.

  38. clear example of owner that has no clue. If your company keeps having year after year of poor performance, creating decrease in overall revenue due to lack of merchandising, lack of ticket sales, lack of advertising sales from in-stadium, TV, radio, online etc….and you extend the contracts of the two employees who have the most to do with that decline of company?!?!? That says you have no clue. Enjoy, NFL. Perhaps you can force him to sell so he doesn’t destroy your precious Los Angeles market…and there will be no next time for LA.

  39. This is actually comical. I am a Titans fan and was never happier to see Fischer go. He may be seen as a “players coach” but his power hunger is what had Jerry Reese leave the Titans and begin the collapse there. He has done the same to the Rams too.

    Also no good teams have tension between the GM and head coach. Those two positions must be on the same page and work together to recruit, and maximize talent.

  40. Fisher is an average coach and the personnel department is probably below average. But I’m not panicking. I think Jared Goff will become a good QB, so that will fix a lot of problems. It’s hard to judge this organization by what they do this year. Even the best franchise QBs often have a couple lean years at the beginning of their careers.

  41. .
    Contrast the Rams front office with the Patriots. Fisher and Snead are focused on beating each other while Belichick is focused on beating the teams in his conference.

    Whether it’s personnel, cap management, in game decisions, or travel plans, Belichick is responsible for all. When things go awry, he doesn’t shy away from publicly flogging himself. There is no buck passing.
    .

  42. Not a fisher fan and want him gone but why are his comments being interpreted as finger pointing instead of him just pointing out that they’ve had some unfortunate events with high draft picks. If fisher wanted to point fingers he would’ve referenced guys who can’t play due to lack of ability not extenuating circumstances…i.e. Isaiah Pead. Was Snead supposed to know Mason was going to lose his mind or Bailey would get shot in the head? I don’t think it was a jab at Snead so much as pointing out some bad luck.

  43. You need to think of the current Rams as a “soft opening” like a bar or resturant until KronkWorld opens…at that point all the kinks will be worked out and the two place holders will be fired…Remember this is the NFL and there really isn’t any financial benefit to winning when the owners are taking in over 200 million a year in revenue sharing. Think about it most of the players take paycut when they play in the postseason…

    I do feel bad for the Rams fans…the team is just another investment to the owner that is a tenent 10 times a years in his stadium / entertainment complex. Win or lose Kronk is still going to make bank!

  44. At least the rams will get a top 3 draft pick this year…oh yeah, well the titans say thank you very much!

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