NFL morning after: The sad decline of Robert Griffin III

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Plenty of once-great quarterbacks reached a stage in their careers when they simply couldn’t do it anymore. Brett Favre had a terrible final season in Minnesota. Joe Namath had a lousy final season in Los Angeles. Johnny Unitas had an ugly final season in San Diego.

But those once-great quarterbacks had a long and sustained period of greatness before it reached that point. What made me sad as I watched Robert Griffin III flounder in Cleveland yesterday is that his greatness was so short-lived, that he’ll be remembered primarily for his subsequent failures.

With the way Griffin has played for the Browns this year (even worse than Cody Kessler and Josh McCown, the other quarterbacks who have helped Cleveland reach 0-13), and the way Griffin didn’t play at all last year, and struggled with injuries and ineffectiveness for two years before that, it’s hard to escape the conclusion that Griffin is done as an NFL starter. At age 26.

In the last few years, as Griffin has gone from star to dud, I’ve heard people suggest that Griffin was never any good in the first place and was overhyped as a rookie. Sorry, but that’s preposterous. Griffin was great as a rookie. The Griffin who led Washington to the playoffs as a rookie was as fine a rookie quarterback as the NFL has ever seen. He was the fastest runner ever to play the position, before wrecking his knee in the playoffs at the end of his rookie year, but he was an outstanding passer as well: He threw for 20 touchdown passes and only five interceptions and set an NFL rookie record with a 102.4 passer rating. As a rookie, Griffin was marvelous.

But that knee injury he suffered in a playoff loss to the Seahawks seemed to sap him of his incredible ability to make things happen with his legs, and having lost that ability, he looks clueless as a passer as well. In two games this season, Griffin has completed just 44.4 percent of his passes. That’s a Tim Tebow level of incomptence. He simply doesn’t throw the ball well enough to be an NFL quarterback.

And that’s a sad thing. Griffin had the potential to change the way we view the quarterback position. He had the potential to be a perennial All-Pro, a quarterback who leads a team to a championship, a Hall of Famer. That’s the level of natural talent he had.

But since that knee injury, we haven’t seen anything remotely close to that verion of Griffin. The Griffin playing for the Browns this year is a shell of his former self. It’s sad to see this once-great quarterback getting to enjoy only one season of greatness before washing out with a winless team.

Here are my other thoughts from Sunday:

It’s time to eject players for cheap shots. I would have loved to see the officials eject Washington’s Deshazor Everett for his brutal cheap shot on Eagles punt returner Darren Sproles on Sunday. Ditto for Titans receiver Harry Douglas who took Broncos cornerback Chris Harris out at the knee. Yes, I know that the Douglas low block was technically legal, and I don’t much care. I want the NFL to give officials the authority to eject players for clearly intending to injure an opponent, which is what Douglas did when he went straight for Harris’s knee. Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart once said that he couldn’t define pornography, but, “I know it when I see it.” I feel the same way about cheap shots. Officials know a cheap shot when they see it, and when they see it they ought to kick a player out of a game for it.

Mike Nugent may have the worst extra point season ever. Nugent, the Bengals’ kicker, is 23-for-29 on extra points after missing his sixth of the season on Sunday. That puts him at 79.3 percent for the season. The lowest extra point rate in NFL history in a season with 35 or more attempts is 81.8 percent, meaning Nugent is on pace for the worst extra point season ever. Obviously, that’s largely a function of the NFL’s new rule moving extra points back by 13 yards, although it’s also worth noting that Nugent is performing even worse than NFL kickers did back in the days when kickers were expected to play other positions as well. He’s having a simply awful season.

Matt Barkley is showing he belongs. I don’t know that Barkley will ever be a regular starter in the NFL, but as the Bears’ starter the last few weeks he has definitively shown that he’s better than people thought when he dropped in the draft following a disappointing senior season at USC and then bounced around the league with the Eagles and Cardinals. Now that he’s on the Bears, Barkley is playing in an offense without much talent around him, but he made several good passes, including two in the final minute on Sunday that would have put the Bears into game-tying field goal range if they hadn’t been called back by holding penalties. Barkley is at least a solid No. 2 quarterback, and he might have earned himself the opportunity to compete for a starting job in 2017. In a lousy season like the Bears are having, it’s good to see a guy make the most of his opportunities.

Jadeveon Clowney is incredible. Injuries have severely limited Clowney since he was selected first overall in the 2014 NFL draft. But when he’s healthy and on the field, he’s every bit the player we all thought he was during his college days at South Carolina. With first place in the AFC South on the line yesterday in Indianapolis, Clowney was the best player on the field, leading a Texans defense that frustrated Andrew Luck and the Colts’ offense all day. Clowney had a sack and hit Luck three times, and he has emerged as the leader of a defense that doesn’t miss J.J. Watt as much as we all thought it would.

Lorenzo Alexander is one of the best stories in the NFL. Alexander had an interception, a quarterback hit, two knocked down passes and three solo tackles yesterday for the Bills against the Steelers. That continues a great season in which he also has 10 sacks and deserves All-Pro consideration. What’s amazing about Alexander’s season is that he’s 33 years old, has been in the NFL for a decade, and until this year was just a backup who bounced around from city to city trying to make an NFL roster. It’s great to see a player who was previously so overlooked finally get an opportunity to be a starter, and thrive. Alexander is kind of the anti-RGIII, a player who started slowly but is now having his best season as he ages.

90 responses to “NFL morning after: The sad decline of Robert Griffin III

  1. I’m grateful for your defense of RGIII…we useta watch him in college (and he had an injured knee back then too), and thought he was marvelous…

    …and then that first, scintillating year.

    I truly believe that his coach ruined him long term for a short term “triumph”. I won’t even mention that person’s name, because it was despicable what happened.

    And then, RGIII, like so many humans, gave himself to ego, impulse, and short term thinking in his own ways…

    It’s a typical, ‘tragic’ tale of hubris and dissipation…but that doesn’t change what he did in those early days, nor dull the shine on the potential that was there, as a player and as a human being…

    Playing is done. Now we find out if he will embrace the path of humility and become the “all-pro” person that his destiny beckons him to become.
    Charissa White

  2. Lorenzo Alexander is great & a lot of Skins fans wanted Washington to keep him, but they couldn’t bring themselves to pay both him and London Fletcher. Should have let Fletcher go, he was slowing way down at that point, but name recognition etc still matters. Bad move by Washington keeping the name guy over the guy with more potential at that point

  3. Name one person, male or female, who cheated on or dumped their long-term spouse or significant other during their “superstardom” and ended up in a better place. Karma.

  4. RGIII hasn’t really played in three years, has been hurt many times. And to that, he is playing on the worst team of all time. You may be right, he may not be that good, but I think the way things are now, the deck is kind of stacked against him now. Maybe he goes to the CFL for a year or two to get his game back.

    As for Watt, he’s a great player no doubt, just not as good as he thinks he is.

  5. QBs with 4.1-4.2 speed are almost impossible to defend. Michael Vick went to the super bowl early in his career, before injuries caught up to him. It takes 12-13 men on defense to stop a QB with that kind of speed. The threat to run, opens up the passing game like nothing else can. But at some point, a running QB always seems to stay injured. RG3 particularly, because he never learned how to protect his body as a runner. You could see in college that he was never going to make it in the pros. The QB position is all about making decisions, not running. That’s why guys like Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady keep winning super bowls. Those guys can’t run a 5.2 40. Steve Young is the best example of a running QB who eventually learned how to play. Mike Shanahan is the coach who finally got Young to the super bowl.

  6. The Darren Sproles play was a “brutal” cheap shot? A cheap shot, yes, although you may want to look up the definition of brutal and get back to me. That whole “I know it when I see it” thing comes to mind. I think he actually pet Darren’s kitten on the way through…

  7. Was Griffin ever any good or was it all that talent around him? Maybe those three nfl wr’s he played with at Baylor had more to do with their success than the qb. Just like at Texas A&M when Mike Evans should have won the heisman, not the little qb throwing him the ball.

  8. “Officials know a cheap shot when they see it, and when they see it they ought to kick a player out of a game for it.”

    Come on, you can’t have the officials kick a player out of a game for a legal hit.

    They need to make that hit illegal first.

  9. Not really shedding any tears for RG3. He went behind his coach and whined to the owner, then failed to deliver when he got everything his way. He dumped his wife and new child when they didnt fit his image/lifestyle any longer. Not surprised at all, and wont be surprised when we hear in a few years he has 5 kids, is bankrupt and given jail time for not supporting his wives and kids. He is just another uber-athlete that was catered to his whole life and never learned the consequences of making poor decisions.

  10. To say that Griffin was fantastic once and thus, would have remained fantastic if not for the injury, is presumptuous in and of itself. No one knows what happens in that alternate universe. However, if you watched Griffin play in his rookie season, you would note how simple Washington’s gameplan was with the read option. Griffin was essentially a one read passer.

    While it worked in that first season, there was never any guarantee it would work going forward. Further, even if Griffin was able to continue to rely on his athleticism to push him through, the failure to evolve as a passer would eventually do him in as time sapped his athleticism.

    To claim that Shanahan ruined to him is also incorrect. Griffin never evolved as a passer and that comes from over reliance on athleticism and refusal and/or failure to learn the nuances of playing the position.

  11. We can lay substantial blame on his coach at the time of the knee injury. The coach should never have frozen the knee and then had him play. RG trusted his coach ( final say ) and agreed to the fix and subsequent further knee damage. We lay this directly on his head coach…

  12. whiteybulgersson says:
    Dec 12, 2016 5:31 AM
    Mike shanahan ran him down a hill. After that one amazing year his career hasn’t been the same, never will replicate that year

    On a serious note, i think shanahan was the best thing that ever happened to RGIII. Forget the knee injury, he had his best season under him.

  13. Preposterous? Please….

    RG3’s rookie season was a product of a brilliant move by Kyle Shanahan. They knew they had a below average QB on their hands. So they installed his college read option offense which at that time had not been used in the NFL.

    It caught the league by surprise and the Skins caught lightning in a bottle.

    But it was all a mirage. Injury or not, the league was going to catch up to that gimmick offense quickly and expose him for the many flaws he has a QB.

    The Shanahans should be praised for getting one magical year out of him.

    Oh, and you might want to ask Mike Perriera about Everett’s hit on Sproles. He said it wasn’t a cheap shot. And I agree. Just bad timing on his hit.

  14. Some of Griffin’s success, perhaps most of it, was due to the league not having adjusted to running QBs yet. Kaepernick also had a lot of success initially. But the league figures out the throws/defenses that a QB has difficulty with, and that’s all that QB will see until they adjust, if they can. Injuries accelerate the process. Cam Newton has been able to adjust;Griffin and Kaepernick – apparently not.

  15. How could you say he was great?!?! Look at the sample size you point out! If you watched him that season, yes, he was great at scrambling, but when you point out the td-int ratio, did it ever occur to you that they were very high percentage throws and play calls..Kirk Cousins had the same success, if not more, and has sustained it longer than RGIII, and I dont see anyone here (including me) labeling him Great.. Puhlease

  16. Skins fan – Youg Griff had it coming, he was a brand not an NFL QB. He ran a gimmicky offense and was exposed when he demanded to the coaches to be a pocket QB.

    As for Alexander, he left the redskins for a chance to be a starter with the Cards but he was awful and got hurt. Only thing I can think of to cause this breakout season for a career special teamer is roids. Hope I’m wrong because it is a great story but I never saw it.

  17. RG3 is like Trump. All bluster and marketing. No substance. “Believe Me”! Think back to how hard he lobbied to be drafted early. And the Skins bought his BS – when it was pretty obvious his skill set didn’t apply to the NFL – not for the long term. And then the PR campaign after the first injury. Of course – at least the Rams turned those picks into a winner..oh thats right…so everything Rg3 touches turns to crap.

  18. So who was it that fell over themselves to anoint him and kaepernick as the “New Era” and superstars? Could it be….. The media?

  19. Griffin has only played 7 quarters this year as the cleavand starting qb I need to see a little more than that and he didn’t even play at all last year outside of the preseason. He honestly just hasn’t been on the field enough.

  20. I think Griffin was really good when he had coaches that understood how to utilize his talents. People who say his coaches ruined him in Washington couldn’t be more off the mark. If they did anything wrong it was letting him play in the playoffs which was ultimately Roberts choice. Robert ruined things for himself because he needed time to develop as a pure passer but he wasn’t willing to wait. Then he pulled that garbage where he was telling his coach what plays he was going to run.

    Griffin did have huge upside and I enjoyed watching him play his rookie year. But he always thought he was better than his actual abilities and he was a head case that turned out to be injury prone.

  21. RG3 was fun to watch in college, but even at the time I remember remarking to friends, “Look at how slight-of-build his lower body is. He’s gonna have a tough time handling NFL level hits with those skinny legs.”

  22. If JJ Watt and Clowney can both stay healthy.. Osweiler can throw all the picks he wants to because the defense will be good enough to win games.

  23. One of his biggest faults was hanging on to the ball to long in Washington which he demonstrated yesterday !!!

  24. RGIII was so great his rookie year BECAUSE of the Shananhans. That success then apparently went to his head and he started making demands about the offense, what he would and wouldn’t do, and eventually ran Mike and Kyle out of town, right along with any chance he had to be a successful NFL QB. He was and is garbage, and Shanny built an offense around him. He deserves to end his egomaniacal career in the factory of sadness. #HTTR

  25. Yes, RGIII completely bought into his press and got into bad habits, but he also was shown no basic consideration for his safety by Washington and he has suffered badly for it physically.

    Given how rarely he has played in the last couple of years and how long since his last outing, you’ve got to expect some rust. And while RGIII will never be one of the great QBs but you have to wonder how he would do on a team that had decent players.

  26. I think it is funny to read that Shanahan ruined RG3. Come on. There have been a lot of players that struggled under one coach only to thrive under another. Shanahan played RG3 when he was injured, no doubt. RG3 recovered – fully. RG3’s problem is RG3, pure and simple. I honestly believe that if someone could deflate that oversized ego, and motivate this guy to work his butt off, he would return to greatness. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem like there is a coach around that can get through to him.

  27. lingsun54 – Can’t believe you are still promoting the ‘winner’ con when it comes to Tebow. Never was true, never will be. Dude won like 8 games in five years and is .500 as a starter in the NFL. NOT a winner.

  28. Shanahan never wanted RGMe, he was thrust upon him by Snyder and Shanahan got the most out of him when others couldn’t. Shanahan wanted to go with Cousins but wasn’t allowed to. How did RGMe v Cousins work out?

  29. On Everett, yes he hit early, and yes he should have been penalized — the result was appropriate. (If you watch in real time, it’s a split second between ball being there or what happened).

    However, on a broader question, can a punt receiver be defenseless? He has a defense, its a fair catch. If he chooses not to fair catch, he chooses not to use his defense.

    Also, pad height has to be taken into account. When Everett started his tackle, he was aiming for Sproles stomach. Sproles then went down onto his knee to make the catch. Everett had no ability to change direction once he started his tackle.

    Competition has to look at to amendments, not calling for fair catch, and changing pad height for defenseless calls.

  30. Everett’s hit was hardly a cheapshot. That little munchkin should’ve called a fair catch. Also note to Ertz – when you play special teams you need to keep your head on a swivel as you found out the hard way.

  31. RG3 has no one except himself to blame. As I recall, much of the plays that RG3 ran successfully as a rookie, he refused to run later. He and his daddy thought they knew more than NFL coaches and it cost him his career.

    The read option was just one of many flash in the pans that were supposed to revolutionize pro football. Lol. The prototypical QB will always be an intelligent pocket passer. If you can’t pass from the pocket and make the reads/adjustments, you can’t be an elite QB.

  32. Indybear says:
    Dec 12, 2016 6:51 AM
    Name one person, male or female, who cheated on or dumped their long-term spouse or significant other during their “superstardom” and ended up in a better place. Karma.

    Tom Brady… he dumped the woman he knocked up while she was pregnant to run off with Giselle. He’ll likely die of testicular cancer for it. Karma…

  33. haha, is this writer somehow related to Bob Griffin? Good grief, the dude was never any good. In college he never learned what “route trees” were, he never had to audible, he didnt know how to read a defense. Shanahan knew that drafting him 2nd was waaay too high for someone who was going to be a project. People rag on Shanahan, but Shanahan was the only reason he was successful as a rookie, running read option plays a huge % of the time, Griffin was always throwing to WIDE OPEN receivers because the defense always had to worry about him running. He was always a bum, at least for one yr he was a bum who could run.

  34. Because the D had to respect his ability to run he had the opportunity to make passes.

    Now that he can’t run he’s toast.

    Way to ruin a guys career SEATTLE cheap shots!

  35. “Officials know a cheap shot when they see it, and when they see it they ought to kick a player out of a game for it.”
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    I don’t know about cheap shots but we do all know a deliberate attempt to injure when we see one and there is nothing I have ever read hear I agree with more than ejecting and possibly suspending a player for one.

  36. kpizzow says:
    Dec 12, 2016 8:57 AM
    RG3 is like Trump. All bluster and marketing. No substance. “Believe Me”! Think back to how hard he lobbied to be drafted early. And the Skins bought his BS – when it was pretty obvious his skill set didn’t apply to the NFL – not for the long term. And then the PR campaign after the first injury. Of course – at least the Rams turned those picks into a winner..oh thats right…so everything Rg3 touches turns to crap.
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    Hate to tell you, Sherlock, but Trump must have had excellent marketing. Because he’s your President elect. Ha ha ha ha.

  37. tinkletinkleonyourstar says:
    Dec 12, 2016 6:14 AM
    What is so sad about it? I rather enjoy it. Pride goes before the fall
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    that’s b/c you’re a jealous person.

  38. Another whiner claiming cheap shot, it’s football, and this was a bang, bang play and since Sproles only stands 5’6 and Everett is 6’0 how much lower would you expect him to have to go? Heck, Sproles lowered himself to an even smaller target so it shouldn’t be all on Everett, his only transgression was he didn’t allow him to catch the ball, in those instances the receiver(Sproles) should be aware of how close the opposition is and deem whether he needs to signal fair catch or not, by not doing it he then leaves himself open for shots like that, and if he had been a much taller returner then the hit would have been now higher than the chest level.

  39. kpizzow says:
    Dec 12, 2016 8:57 AM
    RG3 is like Trump. All bluster and marketing. No substance. “Believe Me”! Think back to how hard he lobbied to be drafted early. And the Skins bought his BS – when it was pretty obvious his skill set didn’t apply to the NFL – not for the long term. And then the PR campaign after the first injury. Of course – at least the Rams turned those picks into a winner..oh thats right…so everything Rg3 touches turns to crap.

    You may want to rethink this…the Rams have done nothing, squat, nadda with those picks they received…what winner???

  40. Griffin’s first season was fool’s gold; having a QB of his fragility and relatively diminutive stature repeatedly running the ball was never sustainable. And much of his success as a passer was based on the potency of that read-option offense. He never was able to learn how to function as a pocket QB in a traditional offense. Once defenses figured the read-option out, his success as a passer declined, even toward the end of that magical first season.

    Also, it is misleading to compare Everett’s hit to Douglas’. Everett was correctly flagged, but he was trying to make a big play by drilling Sproles (who could have called for a fair catch but didn’t) simultaneously with the arrival of the punt, and forcing a fumble. He mis-timed his hit, and Sproles regrettably was injured. I don’t know what Douglas was trying to do; his hit directly on the opponent’s knee was completely away from the play and appeared to be done with the intent to injure or, at best, with reckless disregard for injury.

  41. “That’s a Tim Tebow level of incomptence.”

    Why can’t you just leave Tim Tebow alone? I think it’s pretty ‘incomptent’ for you to keep ragging on the guy – sure, he wasn’t successful at chasing his dream, but at least he chased it, and stayed classy.

  42. How long do you really think a QB can last as a “scrambler?” It’s one thing to be running like a madman every snap, defenders in mad pursuit when you’re 23, but at a certain point you just don’t have the energy to play like that every snap anymore.

    Further, that kind of play tends to be more effective in the regular season. Once the opposing D’s start playing with playoff intensity, those scramblers are going to be a lot less effective.

    So if you want a long career and not be considered a flash in the pan, you better develop the ability to make quick decisions in the pocket and throw accurately.

    Guys like Kaepernick and RGIII never made that jump. RGIII’s rookie season doesn’t mean anything but that he was a flash in the pan.

  43. orangecrusher77 says:
    Dec 12, 2016 9:47 AM
    Indybear says:
    Dec 12, 2016 6:51 AM
    Name one person, male or female, who cheated on or dumped their long-term spouse or significant other during their “superstardom” and ended up in a better place. Karma.

    Tom Brady… he dumped the woman he knocked up while she was pregnant to run off with Giselle. He’ll likely die of testicular cancer for it. Karma…
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    You do realize when Brady broke up with Bridget Moynihan in December of 2006 they did not know she was pregnant, the kid was born in August, do the math.

  44. And to think, all of the draft picks the Rams got from Washington for the RG3 draft pick. Boy that sure put the Rams over the top….just like Washington.

  45. Dec 12, 2016 9:47 AM
    Indybear says:
    Dec 12, 2016 6:51 AM
    Name one person, male or female, who cheated on or dumped their long-term spouse or significant other during their “superstardom” and ended up in a better place. Karma.

    The writer of the Anita Blake novels. Divorced her husband to marry a member of her fan club who was younger nad more handsome. Still rich, still selling huge numbers of those godawful books.

  46. “Griffin had the potential to change the way we view the quarterback position.” This is the dumbest cliche line in the history of football. It gets thrown around every time a QB can run and it gets proven wrong every single time. Mick Vick. Steve Young. Cam Newton. Russell Wilson. Fran Tarkenton…and the list goes on and on. The QB position will never be changed unless for some reason the NFL drastically changes the rules. The three best QBs over the last decade hands down: Brady, Brees, Manning. Neither can run a lick. All are/were tremendous pocket passers. End of discussion.

  47. The NFL is all about adapting!! Sure RGIII had a great rookie year. Teams had never seen him play. They didn’t know his capabilities. Then, the second year happens. They’ve got film on him. They can develop certain schemes that will expose weaknesses. And, NFL players have the ability to exploit those weaknesses. NFL QB’s have to learn to adapt as well. They have to change their ways of operating to “think ahead of the schemes” to succeed. I know that injuries can take a lot away, but RGIII is not the first GREAT rookie who wound up having a journeyman career.

  48. How long do you really think a QB can last as a “scrambler?”

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    Fran Tarkenton played for how many years???

    Pretty good QB for a “scrambler”.

  49. .
    what was clowney doing when JJ watt was being tripled teamed?
    what did clowney do last week?
    answer to both is NOTHING.

    what did Jaquiz Rodgers do yesterday? u all said he was going to have a huge game last week. even tho Sims was known to be playing.
    NOTHING.

  50. Compare Fran Tarkenton’s rushing stats before and after 1969, moron, then re-read the comment.

    If all Fran Tarkenton could do was scramble, he would have burnt out fast as well.

  51. It’s kind of unfair to critique any player who has not played all year and this is virtually his first game. yes I agree RG was stupid in his play, his injuries and decisions were highly questionable. But I contribute his down fall to the SKINS organization and the his Coaches. I would NEVER support the SKINS organization under the present owner and even then maybe. RG has to be questioning himself right now and is scared of getting hurt again. But again that is to his own accord.

  52. On the Cleveland QB: Turns out Osi was right all along. He’s just Bob Griffin.

    On the hit in Nashville:

    Douglas: “Hello sir, my name is Mr. Kettle.”
    Talib: “Nice to meet you. My name is Mr. Pot. OK if I call you Black?”

  53. jim699 says:
    Dec 12, 2016 11:59 AM
    Compare Fran Tarkenton’s rushing stats before and after 1969, moron, then re-read the comment.

    If all Fran Tarkenton could do was scramble, he would have burnt out fast as well.

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    Hey idiot! I’m not talking about “rushing”, I’m talking about “scrambling”. It’s obvious that you don’t know the difference between the two.

  54. One note on Robert Griffin’s rookie year:

    Griffin wasn’t a pocket passer. Most of his called pass plays involved a rollout or bootleg of some sort. The Shannahans called this because it “cut the field in half”, making it easier for Griffin to make reads (since he only had to read half of the field).

    So while I agree Griffin was phenomenal as a rookie, one wonders if coaches would have caught up to this offense by his second year, regardless of whether he ripped up his knee or not.

    I heard an interview with Mike after he was fired that their plan was to (hopefully) only run this offense his rookie year, to buy Griffin time to learn the WHOLE offense and to learn how to make all of the reads from the pocket.

    Of course after he tore his knee up and didn’t have the athleticism to press the edges of a defense, he HAD to become a pocket passer, but without that elite running threat, teams didn’t have to defend his scrambling as much and we found out that he CAN’T play from the pocket.

  55. You guys keep blaming Shanahan, but re-writing history doesn’t make it true. RG3 was already hurt but INSISTED on playing and went to meddling owner to make sure it happened. Then he ruined his knee further on that lousy field that cheapo Dan Snyder wouldn’t fix. Over the offseason he wanted to prove everyone wrong and came back before he was ready. That was obvious to anyone who saw him play and even stories from the doctors and trainers.

  56. 1st quarter (2nd possesion by Denver, about 8 minutes into the game), Denver’s 5th play from scrimmage, and more than 2 quarters before the Douglas cutblock. Watch Denver’s RT execute the same thing.

    It’s a legal block, just like the one by Douglas.

    If you don’t like it, change the rules.

    However, I don’t see anyone protesting what Talib did, for which he should have been ejected.

  57. granadafan says:
    Dec 12, 2016 12:47 PM
    You guys keep blaming Shanahan, but re-writing history doesn’t make it true. RG3 was already hurt but INSISTED on playing and went to meddling owner to make sure it happened. Then he ruined his knee further on that lousy field that cheapo Dan Snyder wouldn’t fix. Over the offseason he wanted to prove everyone wrong and came back before he was ready. That was obvious to anyone who saw him play and even stories from the doctors and trainers.

    finally! I read some truth. You are right on granadafan. I was at that game and when he went to the sideline coach asked him if he was ok and being the delusional egomaniac that he is, RG3 lied so he could go back out there and not only hurt his knee but also hurt his team. He should have admitted how hurt he was and been honest with his coach (and how can Shanahan be blamed for putting him back in?)

    Anyway. Glad someone else remembers exactly how it went down.

  58. tonebones says:
    Dec 12, 2016 7:05 AM
    QBs with 4.1-4.2 speed are almost impossible to defend. Michael Vick went to the super bowl early in his career, before injuries caught up to him
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    Michael Vick has never played in a Super Bowl.

  59. What is this OBSESSION with killing RGIII? Seems almost fashionable to say “he’s through, he’s done.” And why him, when there are so many other players in the NFL who seem to be on the way out? Why not a column on Ryan Fitzpatrick like this? Why not a column on Brock Osweiller like this? Why not on Tony Romo? Why pick on a guy who has dealt with so many injuries and bad management decisions? He had not played in a year before this season. And now this sports writer declares Griffin is done–not his coach–a sports writer. No, he’s not the model citizen, but does he deserve this much hate after so little display of his ability on the field?

  60. granadafan says:
    Dec 12, 2016 12:47 PM
    You guys keep blaming Shanahan, but re-writing history doesn’t make it true. RG3 was already hurt but INSISTED on playing and went to meddling owner to make sure it happened. Then he ruined his knee further on that lousy field that cheapo Dan Snyder wouldn’t fix. Over the offseason he wanted to prove everyone wrong and came back before he was ready. That was obvious to anyone who saw him play and even stories from the doctors and trainers.

    finally! I read some truth. You are right on granadafan. I was at that game and when he went to the sideline coach asked him if he was ok and being the delusional egomaniac that he is, RG3 lied so he could go back out there and not only hurt his knee but also hurt his team. He should have admitted how hurt he was and been honest with his coach (and how can Shanahan be blamed for putting him back in?)

    Anyway. Glad someone else remembers exactly how it went down. ———————————————–
    I am so glad I saw this. I would like to add he took a hit almost every time because he wouldn’t slide or get out of bounds, couldn’t read a defense, and had no pocket presence and that killed his footwork so he threw off his back foot a lot.
    Saying that, I wish him well. He has a gun for an arm when his footwork is correct. His head got big, but he is young. There is still time if he can overcome all of those things.
    RGIII, Thanks for all of 2012 and particularly Thanksgivings Day. Skins still did better than Jeff Fisher in that trade. But then again, he is an idiot.
    HTTR

  61. RG3 carried the Redskins offense in 2012. The talent around him was not even in the same galxy as the talent on the Redskins offense today. He never had a good offensive line. To wirte him off at 26 yrs old is stupid. Injuries sidetracked him, but I have no doubt he can resurrect his career.

  62. Some folks are trying to be kind, but don’t know details.
    Bottom line is he never developed skill to be a pocket QB.

    Trips over his own feet in pocket.
    It first sign of pressure, he panics and runs.
    Forget progression. He is a one man band.

  63. Sherman’s hit on Goff was a deliberate attempt to injure. Helmet to helmet contact when only a one handed shove was needed to force Goff out of bounds. I really hope someone takes a helmet to Sherman’s knees and retires him.

  64. “Before wrecking his knee in the playoffs at the end of his rookie year.”

    Running QBs ALWAYS get just that little extra BAM from defenders – it’s the nature of the game, and it adds up – once you wreck your knee you’re toast.

    That’s why the smart ones slide – so they’ll live to throw another pass.

  65. Really! You think you can really judge a demise after one game on a bad team that has yet to win a game up to this point. Where all the QB’s have been injured this year. How do thinking people call themselves experts with this type of analysis that does not take into consideration all the associated facts? They need to compare apples to apples. How would RG3 have done playing for the Dallas Cowboys last year? With Zek running, they would not have been able to stop Robert!!!
    And poor Dak would have been running for his life on Clevelands offensive line-with the centers snapping the ball over the heads of their QB’s.

  66. I agree Terrell Suggs trying to destroy the knee and end the career of Sam Bradford, right after he returned from a 2nd surgery on that knee, was the most disgusting thing I have personally seen an NFL player do. Including Ray Rice and Joe Mixon.

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