NFL’s swift response to DeflateGate II worked, but should it have?

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Say what you will about the NFL’s recent self-inflicted P.R. wounds; the league office crafted a masterpiece on Sunday. With a single technically-accurate-but-grossly-misleading statement, the NFL managed to take the steam out of DeflateGate II before it could ever gather very much of it.

The media, collectively weary of the original air-pressure controversy and apparently unwilling to spend time and effort sifting through another one, embraced the league’s statement, accepting the league’s loaded comment at face value at a time when so little said by the league on matters of controversy and contention can ever be accepted at face value.

To that I say: Really?

Jay Glazer of FOX reported that the Giants did indeed alert the league to a pair of Pittsburgh footballs that were believed to be under inflated. PFT has confirmed the accuracy of Glazer’s report. The fact that there was no “formal complaint” from the Giants doesn’t mean it didn’t happen — it means only that the league will be able to ignore the situation.

The league wants to ignore the situation because there’s no way to explain that the footballs used by the Steelers on a cold day in December naturally would be under 12.5 PSI without conceding that the footballs used by the Patriots on a cold day in January naturally would be under 12.5 PSI. It’s the same reason for the league’s stubborn refusal to release raw data from PSI spot checks conducted the past two seasons; surely, there have been games during which external air temperature caused internal air pressure to plunge below a mandatory minimum about which the NFL never even cared (and barely even noticed) until it provided the template for punishing the Patriots.

The comments from people like Steelers coach Mike Tomlin and Giants coach Ben McAdoo underscore the reality that something happened. Why else would Tomlin express a willingness to cooperate with New York if there’s nothing about which to cooperate? And why else would McAdoo admit that the Giants checked the air pressure in footballs — and then shared the results with him — if there was nothing potentially amiss?

The only thing truly amiss was the failure of the Giants to realize that a reasonable explanation existed for their concerns. In the end, however, the situation will be barely a blip on the league’s radar screen, primarily because many in the media, frankly, lack the curiosity or commitment to explore the gaping rabbit hole that Glazer discovered.

145 responses to “NFL’s swift response to DeflateGate II worked, but should it have?

  1. It’s much ado about nothing. Except that this time, unlike most other times, Goodell is going to leave well enough alone instead of embarrassing himself and the league.

  2. Why aren’t the Kraft’s screaming from the top of the lungs about this? Demanding to know this isn’t being blow up

  3. Tomorrow comes the memo from Roger that will read, “Teams are not permitted to measure the PSI of game footballs, or even to squeeze them”.

    It would be awesome if teams started to gauge every turnover ball!
    I can’t even guess how Lying Roger would get out of that!

  4. This is for your Roger, as it appears you don’t have your own dictionary:

    in·teg·ri·ty
    noun

    the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness

  5. Yeh, well, the pats fans just want their $1M back, the two draft picks, and the suspension vacated… or is that a fair punishment for walking into a small bathroom with a bag of balls to take a leak?

  6. Sorry, I know it’s unfair to the Steelers since the whole deflategate thing is BS, but the league needs to suspend Ben, fine the Steelers and take draft picks in order to avoid the appearance of league bias against any one individual team.

    Otherwise the whole investigation against the Patriots will be exposed exactly for what it was – a witch hunt conducted by uninformed and uneducated zealots.

  7. The NFL doesn’t want anything to show that they completely screwed the patriots. The fans don’t want to acknowledge anything that will show the league screwed the patriots. The media doesn’t want to acknowledge anything that will show the league screwed the patriots

    There is certainly some questionable circumstantial evidence with deflategate. Anyone can see that. But there are only two ways you can look at deflategate. A: Cheating happened because air pressure is completely unaffected by temp/weather, or, B: Nothing happened because it is not unusual at all for temp/weather to affect footballs. And that’s what is comes down to. You can’t have both. You can’t have neither. There are only 2 options. A or B. If you have jumped on the A train against the Pats you can’t now jump on the B train against the steelers. So the fans, the NFL, the owners, and the media will all just pretend it was a big misunderstanding and there was nothing unusual about the footballs. There was no “formal complaint” (because after the informal complaint the league told the giants you better not file a formal complaint) and “all balls were in compliance…”. It’s complete 7-9 BS from the league, the fans, and the media…

  8. I think the NFL might have actually learned something by how horribly they handled the Patriots thing, where they got science and logic stuffed down their throats. The NFL took a beating on that one.

    Even Florio several times was able to competantly explain what happens to inflated objects during certain meteorological conditions. Until the NFL allows footballs to be reinflated during games, this is going to happen to every football in every game under those same kinds of conditions.

  9. Funny, how there were none of these scandals before GODell.

    The reason Pats fans are so bent out of shape is because the commish penalized the Pats two first round picks to help out his good buddy Woody Johnson to get the Pats to come back to the Jets level. I mean Spygate was a rule that was broken and it wasn’t even an hour old rule. And we all know deflategate was nothing but an incompetent witch hunt.

  10. The NFL employs grown men that did not understand temperatures affect air pressure. I sometimes wonder what that first meeting to explain it to them must have gone like — Goodell crossing himself and accusing people witchcraft, Kensil peeping over the back of a swivel chair in terror while someone sparks a Bunsen burner, numerous aides passed out in the hallways and just left for dead. In short, Brady got screwed because the league is run by high school dropouts.

  11. One day the entire deflategate witchhunt will come back to bite the nfl on its behind. I just hope goodell is still around to be forced to accept the load of BS he heaped on the public.

  12. Tomlin is willing to cooperate because he’s an honorable man, period. He cooperated when he interfered on the sideline against the ravens, took his punishment like a man, and went about his business. Not every team acts like a high school drama queen and turns everything into a circus like the Pats…..Some individuals have dignity, honor, and integrity.

  13. The SEC should, and may under Trump, investigate the NFL and Goodell for attempting to fix games and the season in the suspension of Brady. There was zero evidence but 345 Park Ave. led by serial liar Goodell pushed the sham Wells report down everyone’s throat. They refused to correct Mortenson’s information and still refuse to release any PSI data collected. This blatantly was an attempt to level the playing field because the owners and the serial liar are sick of 15 years of New England domination.

  14. Calling Robert Kraft! You owe it to your “son” Tom and all of Patriot nation to demand that the Giants file a formal complaint.

    You will never be forgiven Robert if you don’t reignite the flame of this NFL backed scam!

    Of course the Steelers did nothing wrong. Of course the Giants STILL don’t understand 8th grade science. But that’s not the point here. It’s about correcting the most egregious wrong ever committed in league history!

  15. I also wish john mara a horrific death of some sort. If it was legal, it would be by my hand.

  16. This reminds of the time several years ago when the Patriots lodged a formal complaint with the league about the Colts pumping fake crowd noise into their dome.

    The Patriots filed the complaint on Monday morning, and by Monday afternoon the league has issued a statement declaring the Colts innocent on all counts.

    No Ted Wells. No interrogation of Colts employees. Not so much as even a visit to the stadium. Apparently the entire “investigation” consisted of then commissioner Paul Tagliabue calling Jim Irsay and Bill Polian and asking them to pinky swear that they’d done nothing wrong.

    What a freaking joke.

  17. Stories like this will persist in an attempt to cover for the Patriots and Tom Brady. The League knows that ball pressure is a factor. it can be used to cheat, they are checking it and the new scrutiny is working. Enough already.

  18. It is not a news flash to know the Steelers would get a pass from the league.

    It is not a news flash the league would want to ignore this after learning about air pressure and the effects of cold air.

    It is not a news flash the league run by a bunch of rich men who rarely if ever hear the word no would stubbornly stick with their position once they knew they were wrong because it is easier for them to continue with a wrong position then to admit they were wrong and reverse their position.

    It is just to bad the Patriots were the victims mainly because they’ve been too good for too long as the billionaires club continues to overpay free agents and not reach the same level of success.

  19. Respect you Mike and like your reporting. But you cannot simply use an etch-a-sketch to erase the verfied text messages between N.E. employees where one employee referred to himself as the “deflator” and talked about making the football as big as a “watermelon” after Brady complained about the previous games’ footballs.

    The ‘deflation’ text messages are fact. The balls disappearing for whatever reason before the game into a washroom is fact. Please stop acting as if these important, proven facts didn’t occur and it was all the cold weather. When a human being calls himself the “deflator”, any logical person without a bias knows something was going on.

  20. The media is ruining football. Every play needs a reply, every ball needs to be scientifically measured. No one knows what a catch is anymore. It’s just nuts.

  21. Deflategate was always about intent and cooperation. It was about a guy named “the deflator” taking game balls into a bathroom unauthorized and about Tom Brady not fully cooperating because his lawyers used him as a pawn. Period. No one really cares about ball pressure.

  22. Teams can do whatever they want with the footballs now. Since the NFL doesn’t want another “deflategate” ,they’ll just issue one of these vague statements and ignore any potential ball tampering. Teams can deflate or inflate the football to whatever they want now and won’t ever have to worry about the NFL investigating.

  23. Deflated balls, real or imagined, are a very silly thing to trip about in terms of competitive advantage and “cheating”, but the lack of outrage for how quickly this was all dismissed is appalling, and pretty much proves that there’s a standard for the Patriots in treatment by the league, media, and fans, and a totally different standard for the 31 other teams. I don’t think the Steelers or Roethlisberger should be facing any discipline whatsoever, but I want to see consistency in punishment and in the media and fan reactions, based on very recent precedent. Two families who are royalty in NFL ownership circles are involved, and I’m sure they just opted to keep this on the hush. Don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining.

  24. connfyoozed says:
    Dec 12, 2016 12:21 PM

    It’s much ado about nothing. Except that this time, unlike most other times, Goodell is going to leave well enough alone instead of embarrassing himself and the league.
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    Dude… much ado about nothing…???

    The same thing/event/accusation… cost New England 1st round pick last year..1,000,000 dollars, a 4th round pick this year…..and 4 lost games of the greatest QB ever to play the game??

    Much ado about nothing??

  25. Dont Vontaze Me Bro!! says:
    Dec 12, 2016 12:31 PM
    The NFL doesn’t want anything to show that they completely screwed the patriots. The fans don’t want to acknowledge anything that will show the league screwed the patriots. The media doesn’t want to acknowledge anything that will show the league screwed the patriots

    There is certainly some questionable circumstantial evidence with deflategate. Anyone can see that. But there are only two ways you can look at deflategate. A: Cheating happened because air pressure is completely unaffected by temp/weather, or, B: Nothing happened because it is not unusual at all for temp/weather to affect footballs. And that’s what is comes down to. You can’t have both. You can’t have neither. There are only 2 options. A or B. If you have jumped on the A train against the Pats you can’t now jump on the B train against the steelers. So the fans, the NFL, the owners, and the media will all just pretend it was a big misunderstanding and there was nothing unusual about the footballs. There was no “formal complaint” (because after the informal complaint the league told the giants you better not file a formal complaint) and “all balls were in compliance…”. It’s complete 7-9 BS from the league, the fans, and the media…

    ============================

    Probably the best summary of the situation that I’ve seen so far. Everyone outside NE will stick their heads in the sand and pretend nothing happened so that they can continue to think that the Pats are guilty.

    When the Giants accused the Steelers, everything was handled in-house and behind closed doors. When the Colts accused the Pats, the league went into full-blown grandstanding and propaganda mode. That’s okay – even for those who despise the Pats, anyone with half a brain knows what deflategate was all about, whether or not they will admit it.

  26. bonitalocal says:
    Dec 12, 2016 12:27 PM
    Tomorrow comes the memo from Roger that will read, “Teams are not permitted to measure the PSI of game footballs, or even to squeeze them”.

    It would be awesome if teams started to gauge every turnover ball!
    I can’t even guess how Lying Roger would get out of that!
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    Technically it’s against the rules for teams to gauge a ball during the game. The Colts broke that rule but the Media and the NFL completely ignored that violation. If the Giants waited until the game was over (which I think they did) then the Giants did not violate the NFL rules like the Indianapolis Colts did. It was also against the rules for Grigson to enter the Officials locker room during a game. But only 1 team has to follow the rules word for word or face record fines. With everyone else it’s up to interpretation.

  27. It is the Rooney’s and Mara’s you dont honestly think Roger is going to risk any stain on their legacies do you!!!!

    As a Patriots fan I want this to die. Its beyond time to move on. The intelligent people who follow football know exactly what Deflategate was all about, the rest will just make of it what they will to suit their own ends.

  28. Unlike the Baltimore organization teams beneath us in the pecking order like the sorry Steelers and Patsies have to cheat to gain an advantage. The only reason the Patsies finally beat the Ravens in 2014 is well documented. The Pats had under inflated footballs the entire game and used illegal formations. The Steelers…well lets face it…we own both of these sorry teams. Great win tonight for the Ravens. Now on to the Superbowl beatdown that the Ravens will give the Cowboys. Steve Smith will get his ring this year. Its already done. We already won this year. All that needs to be completed is the parade route.

  29. The only team that did something wrong here is the Giants, who took it upon themselves to measure these two footballs when the rules state that you shouldn’t do that.

    Just like the Colts 2 years ago, nothing will happen to the Giants.

    You are supposed to file a report to the league with your concerns and not take matters into your own hands.

    This, of course, is said while making the assumption that you would trust the league with anything at all.

  30. So basically the NFL has proved that Deflategate really was the work of science. Unless of course both the Patriots and the Steelers cheated…but Steelers are a “model” franchise so it was squashed pretty quickly.

    Seriously the double standard is pathetic, what do these morons do in their offices? Suspend Roethlisberger, he was the one touching the balls every play, right Roger, because that logic suspended Brady.

  31. trailerparkking says:
    Dec 12, 2016 12:34 PM
    Tomlin is willing to cooperate because he’s an honorable man, period. He cooperated when he interfered on the sideline against the ravens, took his punishment like a man, and went about his business. Not every team acts like a high school drama queen and turns everything into a circus like the Pats…..Some individuals have dignity, honor, and integrity.

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    Haha! I and everyone else are going to assume you meant this statement as a joke. One of the biggest complainers and excuse-makers out there where, if he had this so-called “integrity”, he would look square in the mirror for a great deal of his Steeler losses.

    Don’t hold your breath.

  32. It’s the Steelers. Any report that doesn’t specify the obvious (League favorite), isn’t real news.

  33. Probably no later than the middle of the next day someone at 345 Park Ave had to have realized and pointed out simple physics were responsible for the PSI drop in the AFCCG. It is long past time for everyone to accept that deflategate was never about PSI in footballs. The league was no doubt looking for an unloseable discipline case that involved no criminal court to muddy the waters. Once the PSI toothpaste was out of the tube it was used to gain the ultimate court proof sledgehammer in terms of player discipline after some stunning embarrassments. Roger didn’t lie in his appeal decision just to stick it to Brady and the Pats, there was much more at stake. New England fans might not accept it but the fact that it was the Patriots and Brady in the crosshairs was just a bonus. Take down the biggest dog in the pack and make it stick and what chance does anyone else possibly stand in court? Don’t believe it? Look at how the precedent was used to compel noted Goodell fighter James Harrison and the rest of the AJ 4 to knuckle under and submit to interviews.

  34. Harbaugh better hope Flacco doesn’t throw a pick tonite, cuz you know that ball is getting measured on the Pats sideline and a complaint made with the league office.

  35. trailerparkking says:
    Dec 12, 2016 12:34 PM
    Tomlin is willing to cooperate because he’s an honorable man, period. He cooperated when he interfered on the sideline against the ravens, took his punishment like a man, and went about his business. Not every team acts like a high school drama queen and turns everything into a circus like the Pats…..Some individuals have dignity, honor, and integrity.

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    The guy who tried to trip an opposing player running down the sideline? He’s your poster child for honor?

  36. Translation: The only team that can take down the Pats in the playoffs are the Steelers. And since the NFL is aiming for parity – must leave the Steelers alone.

  37. Calling Robert Kraft! You owe it to your “son” Tom and all of Patriot nation to demand that the Giants file a formal complaint.
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    First off, Kraft doesn’t have the pull to make demands to Mara(Even though Kraft thinks he’s a big deal he’s nothing compared to Mara)….not in his wildest dreams. Secondly, Mara is great friends with Rooney, their families have been close for decades. I highly doubt Mara would take Kraft’s side over Rooney, that’s laughable.

  38. trailerparkking says:
    Dec 12, 2016 12:34 PM

    Tomlin is willing to cooperate because he’s an honorable man, period. He cooperated when he interfered on the sideline against the ravens, took his punishment like a man, and went about his business. Not every team acts like a high school drama queen and turns everything into a circus like the Pats…..Some individuals have dignity, honor, and integrity.
    ……

    He also “acted like a man” when he threw a misguided hissy fit last year complaining about the headsets at Gillette not realizing they are solely controlled by the NFL. Where was the “honorable” apology to the Pats after that ? I was embarrassed for him.

    This situation though, the Giants should be fined. Its illegal to insert a needle into a football after ref inspection. They should be fined, just like the Colts should have. But, nothing to see here.

  39. Officials: We found deflated footballs in a game.

    Rog: OFF with their heads! Fine them 5 million dollars and take away 3 first rounders.

    Officials: It involves the Rooney’s and the Mara’s.

    Rog; Eh, not a big deal. What’s a little air between friends. Nothing to see, move along

  40. Don’t let this story die pft. Shove it in Roger’s face until he has to give the Pats back their picks and money.

  41. Hate us because we are great. We understand that.

    Talk trash. We understand that too.

    If you hate us because you think we deflated footballs, you should be embarrassed at your diminished ability to understand reason.

  42. Why would there need to be a formal complaint. After the millions of dollars spent on the fiasco formerly known as Deflategate, how is it possible that the refs (with brand new gauges one would hope) are not checking ball pressure before the game, at halftime, and after the game??????

  43. “I and everyone else are going to assume you meant this statement as a joke. ”

    Oh no, he believe it with all his heart, that’s the sad and pathetic thing. He’s got one of the biggest double standards around and its an ugly look though he doesn’t seem to realize it. He tells lie after lie on Pats threads trying to smear them. He actually has zero understanding of what things like honor and integrity are.

  44. well if by “it worked” you mean pushed and twisted an already entered dagger further into the hearts of the fans then yeah, I guess you could say it worked.

    In less than 20 years there will be a non-fiction book entitled “How the NFL Ruined the One of the Most Prolific Business in History

  45. Steelers knew that they had to defeat the only team that beat the Cowboys in order to save their season. So, they cheated. Case closed. They also got away with a ton of face mask penalties and somehow managed to get the ref to call holding in the end zone. That last one was probably a lucky break-a little freebee for the team that Dr. Ryzde built.

  46. routerunning says:
    Dec 12, 2016 12:38 PM
    Respect you Mike and like your reporting. But you cannot simply use an etch-a-sketch to erase the verfied text messages between N.E. employees where one employee referred to himself as the “deflator” and talked about making the football as big as a “watermelon” after Brady complained about the previous games’ footballs.

    The ‘deflation’ text messages are fact. The balls disappearing for whatever reason before the game into a washroom is fact. Please stop acting as if these important, proven facts didn’t occur and it was all the cold weather. When a human being calls himself the “deflator”, any logical person without a bias knows something was going on.

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    what proof do you have that shows any sort of deflating, if there was any, would be to the Pats’ balls? it easily could be done to opponents’ balls to throw off their QB. remember 3 of the 4 Colts balls tested were low, and that was after they had a chance to warm some.

    neither you, nor anyone else except Brady, Jastremski and McNally know.

  47. bonitalocal says:
    Dec 12, 2016 12:27 PM

    It would be awesome if teams started to gauge every turnover ball!

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    Please let this happen. That would be the best thing for fan entertainment in the history of the league.

  48. Just for the record: There was no formal complaint by the colts (or Ravens) against the patriots either. Just a series of e-mails that we’ve all seen now.

  49. Mike, the NFL only cared about PSI on 1 day in its history, the day of the Patriots/Colts AFC championship game. Otherwise, they have paid lip service to PSI and considered it a gamesmanship issue. Goodell used the Colts and Ravens whining about the Patriots as an excuse to go after them so he could get back in the good graces of the other owners after screwing up the Ray Rice situation so badly. It seems clear Goodell and his minions and the other owners were sick of the Patriots dominating the AFC for so many years so they decided to spring this sting operation against them as a way to level the playing field.

  50. qbarrel says:
    Dec 12, 2016 12:42 PM
    Everyone outside NE will stick their heads in the sand and pretend nothing happened so that they can continue to think that the Pats are guilty.
    ____________________

    You have no idea how insulting that is to all the fans of other teams that called out framegate for what it was from the moment the Well$ report was released. Take a break from the persecution complex and at least give a tip of the cap to those of us who have been insulted and repeatedly had our fandom called into question for having your backs.

  51. craigruby20 says:
    Dec 12, 2016 12:40 PM
    Deflategate was always about intent and cooperation. It was about a guy named “the deflator” taking game balls into a bathroom unauthorized and about Tom Brady not fully cooperating because his lawyers used him as a pawn. Period. No one really cares about ball pressure.

    ——

    the brutally inaccurate 11 of 12 footballs story came out well before any of the things you mention were known or occurred.

    start at the beginning…..you’re using an “end justifies the means” approach, just like the NFL

  52. The reason why the league is upset is the commish brushed spygate under the rug and destroyed the evidence so no one knows how extensive the cheating was and which games (SB) they cheated in…..so if Goodell was a real commissioner this deflate gate would have never happened and or he would have some credibility when dishing out punishment…..

  53. flaccojumpball says:
    Dec 12, 2016 12:48 PM
    ….now on to the Superbowl beatdown that the Ravens will give the Cowboys. Steve Smith will get his ring this year. Its already done. We already won this year. All that needs to be completed is the parade route.

    You lost 4 in a row at one point this year, and the 4th one in that losing streak was to…the Jets.

    The Jets.

    I was going to say more, but that should just about cover it for everyone.

  54. Integrity of the game, right Roger?

    NFL states there was no chain of command issues? if correct, the refs did not do their job and allowed balls to be put in play that were under the regulated 12.5 minimum or league has just let us know that the ideal gas law is real.

  55. trailerparkking says:
    Dec 12, 2016 12:59 PM

    Secondly, Mara is great friends with Rooney, their families have been close for decades. I highly doubt Mara would take Kraft’s side over Rooney, that’s laughable.

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    well when the Mara and Rooney families share a descendant with the name…..Rooney Mara….it’s kind of obvious.

  56. connfyoozed says:
    Dec 12, 2016 12:21 PM
    It’s much ado about nothing. Except that this time, unlike most other times, Goodell is going to leave well enough alone instead of embarrassing himself and the league.
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    No, “much ado about nothing” is sacrificing 4 games and a first rounder. This is CYA on the leagues side. Huge difference.

  57. I would call MARA out on this. He could have easily filed a formal complaint to clear this whole inflation/deflation issue up. The same man who buried Brown’s domestic abuse issue….the same man who was fixated on doing in the Patriots…the same duplicitous toad that has no moral fiber.

  58. So let me get this straight, the giants took two balls from the steelers and measured PSI THEMSELVES, then never reported it until after the fact and all they said was “the two balls were below 12.5”. If there was an issue why not tell the ref and have them officially tested? lol. This seems like a non story. And if your bringing ur own guages to the game then ur prob already planning on measuring the other teams balllls, this wasnt a random coincidence. Seems like giants just wanted to stir something up. If i was goodell, i wouldnt waste my time on this either

  59. factschecker says:
    Dec 12, 2016 12:42 PM

    Turns out u dont check facts at all. The Colts didnt test any balls themselves. A player said the ball felt flat and the OFFICIALS tested the balls at half time. At no point did the colts test any balls themselves like the Giants did.

  60. @ jag1959 says:
    Dec 12, 2016 1:19 PM
    You have no idea how insulting that is to all the fans of other teams that called out framegate for what it was from the moment the Well$ report was released. Take a break from the persecution complex and at least give a tip of the cap to those of us who have been insulted and repeatedly had our fandom called into question for having your backs.
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    I remember wishing I had paid attn to bountygate more. Its all fun and games until *your* team gets the pike. (unless, apparently the league doesnt care a bit about integrity. ) Thanks for the support!

  61. Yeah, but were the Steelers ball handlers seen taking the footballs into the bathroom? How about any documented text messages discussing this illegal activity? Are any of the ball handlers known as “The Deflator” (cause you know he wanted to lose weight, lol) Did Big Ben destroy his phone?

    As George Constanza once said (and Trump has proven) it’s not a lie if you and many of you’re foolish followers believe it. Keep denying pat’s fans!

  62. The Patriots better inflate their balls to 20 psi for tonight’s game. You know that cry baby Harbaugh is going to be measuring every ball he can get his hands on in this freezing night.

  63. “The Colts didnt test any balls themselves. A player said the ball felt flat and the OFFICIALS tested the balls at half time. At no point did the colts test any balls themselves like the Giants did.”

    Not true. The Colts used a gauge on the intercepted ball. That’s admitted fact by them. During which they no doubt let a significant amount of air out of the ball as that was the only one noticeably under 12.5 psi.

  64. footballfanatic says:
    Dec 12, 2016 1:39 PM
    factschecker says:
    Dec 12, 2016 12:42 PM

    Turns out u dont check facts at all. The Colts didnt test any balls themselves. A player said the ball felt flat and the OFFICIALS tested the balls at half time. At no point did the colts test any balls themselves like the Giants did.
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    Page 63 of the Wells report. Colts assistant equipment manager Brian Seabrooks asked one of the Colts interns to locate a pressure gauge and test the inflation of the intercepted football.

    The Wells report. Page 63 top paragraph.
    Hows is that for fact checking?

  65. The reason the league isn’t going to take action is 345 Park Ave learned after measuring football pressure this past season that the ideal gas law is real and pressure does drop as temperature drops. 345 Park Ave does not want to look stupid again.

  66. thebrownswillalwaysloose says:
    Dec 12, 2016 1:45 PM

    Yeah, but were the Steelers ball handlers seen taking the footballs into the bathroom? How about any documented text messages discussing this illegal activity? Are any of the ball handlers known as “The Deflator” (cause you know he wanted to lose weight, lol) Did Big Ben destroy his phone?

    As George Constanza once said (and Trump has proven) it’s not a lie if you and many of you’re foolish followers believe it. Keep denying pat’s fans!
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    No, there were no “documented text messages discussing this illegal activity”. There are actually zero texts saying anything about a football being under 12.5 or messing with footballs after inspection. And the scientific community eviscerated Exponent’s shoddy work.

  67. footballfanatic says:
    Dec 12, 2016 1:39 PM

    Turns out u dont check facts at all. The Colts didnt test any balls themselves. A player said the ball felt flat and the OFFICIALS tested the balls at half time. At no point did the colts test any balls themselves like the Giants did.
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    According to Kensil, footballs were “weighed”, during the game.

  68. veddermn8 says:
    Dec 12, 2016 1:56 PM

    there were documented text’s of the ball boys complaining about how particular tom is about his PSI, and that they should ‘go to espn’ about tom. Were they going to go to espn b/c they just didnt like him? or maybe b/c they have dirt on him. Also joking about ‘blowingg them up like a watermelon’, suggests that tom prefers under inflation. It’s extreme bias to not see any issues here.

  69. flaccojumpball says:
    Dec 12, 2016 12:48 PM
    Unlike the Baltimore organization teams beneath us in the pecking order like the sorry Steelers and Patsies have to cheat to gain an advantage. The only reason the Patsies finally beat the Ravens in 2014 is well documented. The Pats had under inflated footballs the entire game and used illegal formations. The Steelers…well lets face it…we own both of these sorry teams. Great win tonight for the Ravens. Now on to the Superbowl beatdown that the Ravens will give the Cowboys. Steve Smith will get his ring this year. Its already done. We already won this year. All that needs to be completed is the parade route.

    ————-

    For heaven’s sake son…..put down the bong!

  70. So teams now “test” the air pressure in the balls of their opponent?

    Hey why don’t the line ref carry a gauge with him and before every play he can stick the needle in the ball and check to make sure it has not gone below 12.5…if it does, that will require a change of ball and another couple commercials!!

  71. craigruby20 says:
    Dec 12, 2016 12:40 PM
    Deflategate was always about intent and cooperation. It was about a guy named “the deflator” taking game balls into a bathroom unauthorized and about Tom Brady not fully cooperating because his lawyers used him as a pawn. Period. No one really cares about ball pressure..

    The league requirement for cooperation was 3 interviews. They asked for a 4th. Every time, they asked the same questions, got the same answers. During the week of the Super Bowl, the league requested a 5th interview, likely for the same questions and responses. The Patriots cooperated, I’m willing to bet the NFL would have done this 100 times to get them to say once do we really have to do this again, just to say they didn’t cooperate. You are taking everything out of context because you never looked for the truth. Sad. Now you have to come on here with your false information because you really don’t care and act like you ran the investigation and have all this evidence. Well where is the evidence? That’s right, there is none.

  72. Also joking about ‘blowingg them up like a watermelon’, suggests that tom prefers under inflation. It’s extreme bias to not see any issues here.
    ——
    That’s not what they said. Geez. They said TB was pissed because the game in NY vs the Jets the balls were way over inflated and contained 16 PSI. 2.5 lbs over the maximum.

    But you don’t care that the Jets and the Colts both cheated because you only want the Patriots to follow the rules and not the Jets or the Colts.

  73. The league should just provide all footballs during the game and keep them pumped up to the specification. No more team balls. Problem solved.

  74. Here’s the best part. The NFL fed erroneous info to Mortenson and ESPN, and to this day has done nothing to correct it. I think ESPN did some sort of retraction at 3am or something. Then they suspend Brady and sanction the Pats for being ‘generally aware’ of an equipment violation. Then they find out deflation was a natural phenomenon. Only at the appeal, after Wells said Brady cooperated, and they testified they had no direct evidence against Brady, did Goodell move the goal posts. Now the PR king decides it’s about DESTROYING(who even uses that word in that context?) his his cell phone and not cooperating. I’m sure the league testing of FBs the following season confirmed it to them. But they stick to their guns. Robbing the Pats of 4 gms with Brady and draft picks they’ll never get back. And they’ll always be a section of yahoos yelling ‘cheating’ because their team can’t beat the Pats. Although that minority is getting smaller and smaller.

  75. footballfanatic says:
    Dec 12, 2016 1:38 PM
    Seems like Giants just wanted to stir something up. If i was goodell, i wouldnt waste my time on this either
    _________________

    That’s hysterical. If the Giants as an organization wanted to ‘stir something up’ don’t you think there would have been a closed door formal complaint or that it would have taken a week for word to leak out?? Someone at a much lower level than the decisions get made got suspicious and it escalated no further than someone in a position of real authority. There is no way Mara, Rooney or Goodell ever wanted this to get out in public. Now that it has plenty of time will be wasted trying to get the genie back in the bottle.

  76. footballfanatic says:
    Dec 12, 2016 2:03 PM

    Also joking about ‘blowingg them up like a watermelon’, suggests that tom prefers under inflation. It’s extreme bias to not see any issues here.
    ————————

    Lol. Are you Ted Wells?

    Only in some Pash/Wells, “Through the Looking Glass” world can a guy complaining about footballs being over-inflated be interpreted as that guy liking footballs under-inflated.

  77. Who exactly is saying this, other than the media? Where is the person who said they took Steelers balls & measured them?

    I hope we can all be relieved of these Patricheats spun propaganda cr@p soon.

  78. flaccojumpball says:
    Dec 12, 2016 12:48 PM
    Unlike the Baltimore organization teams beneath us in the pecking order like the sorry Steelers and Patsies have to cheat to gain an advantage. The only reason the Patsies finally beat the Ravens in 2014 is well documented. The Pats had under inflated footballs the entire game and used illegal formations. The Steelers…well lets face it…we own both of these sorry teams. Great win tonight for the Ravens. Now on to the Superbowl beatdown that the Ravens will give the Cowboys. Steve Smith will get his ring this year. Its already done. We already won this year. All that needs to be completed is the parade route.

    ======

    I like your moxie, a Raven SB parade already? The pigeons better bring their mittens, its going to be a cold, long night for them in Foxboro.

  79. Mara trying to deflect the attention from his lack of integrity when it came to Josh Brown. The giants and their owner should have their whole draft taken away especially since the Skins, Raiders, and cowterds had to pay a price for treating an uncapped year as such. This league is going to lose so much fan fare because of the arbitrary way in which they enforce their rules. I have stopped watching most games and hope that the popularity of the league diminishes.

  80. So now it looks like the NFL:
    • Rigged the 2016 draft (see Patriots stolen 1st round draft pick)
    • Tried to fix 4 of the Patriots games. (Was successful in fixing one).
    • Obtained 1 million dollars under false pretenses.
    • Plans on rigging the 2017 draft (see Patriots stolen 4th round draft pick)

  81. I love how people believe that 12.5-13.5 PSI is some range that was scientifically derived to afford each team the same level of competitive advantage, when in reality is is just the range recommended by Wilson, and has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on competitive advantage.

    I also love how people believe that the NFL has any clue as to how the amount of air pressure in a football affects the use, yet with one hasty halftime measurement, using two wildly disparate gauges, they were able to ascertain that a team deflated footballs to gain advantage, despite there being absolutely no amount of data to support their hypothesis.

  82. truthdispensary says:
    Dec 12, 2016 2:43 PM

    I hope we can all be relieved of these Patricheats spun propaganda cr@p soon.
    —————————-

    Lol. The Patriots are done with the psigate farce and are on their way to their next Super Bowl appearance.

  83. The reason that this latest transgression by the serial cheating Steelers will go unpunished by the league is the fact that the Steelers simply aren’t a threat to the “parity” of the NFL.

    Heck, they still haven’t gotten over the embarrassment of being bounced out of the playoffs by a team quarterbacked by Tim Tebow.

  84. 6superbowls says:
    Dec 12, 2016 3:08 PM

    Did Big Ben break his phone yet???
    —————————

    Do you mean his “wristband”?

  85. Absolutely outrageous. The Patriots should get compensatory picks to right this miscarriage of justice. I hope Roger Gooddell, Chris Mortensen, Bob Kravitz, Gregg Doyel, Lester Munson, Mark Brunell, Jerry Rice, John Mara, Jerry Jones, Lester Munson, John Harbaugh, Ryan Grigson, Mike Kensil and all the other haters are sleeping well, because #TheNorthRemembers.

    Time to burn the league to the ground Pats.

  86. The NFL has become the WWE. They have no integrity. This is one of many reasons why the TV ratings are down.

  87. factschecker says:
    Dec 12, 2016 12:42 PM

    Turns out u dont check facts at all. The Colts didnt test any balls themselves. A player said the ball felt flat and the OFFICIALS tested the balls at half time. At no point did the colts test any balls themselves like the Giants did.

    Just because your handle is factschecker doesn’t make everything you say is fact. The Colts did have their equipment personnel test the football before going to the officials. Every Patriots fan knows this because that was real tampering of the football. It’s really messed up how the ones that really did commit tampering that day were never investigated. I guess it wasn’t in the multi-million dollar budget.

  88. goodellmustgoblog says:
    Dec 12, 2016 3:37 PM

    Absolutely outrageous. The Patriots should get compensatory picks to right this miscarriage of justice.
    ————————————————–

    The NFL owes the Patriots a 1st round draft pick in the 2017 draft. That draft pick should be an earlier pick than the one the pick that was stolen in the 2016 draft.

    The draft pick should be higher to make up for losing the use of a 1st round player for the 2016 season. Plus 31 teams all were allowed to move up one position in the rest of the 2016 draft. (The pick should be upgraded to the 1st pick in the first round)

    The NFL should also be award the Patriots another 1st round draft pick in the 2017 draft to make up for Tom Brady being forced to miss 25% of the 2016 season. (That pick should be the 2nd pick in the first round)

    Plus the Patriots will also get their normal first round pick that they will earn from how they finish the 2016 season.

    The NFL also needs to reinstate the Patriots 2017 4th round pick.

  89. @Thretosix

    factchecker made the claim that the Colts tested the ball on the sideline, footballfanatic was the one who claimed factchecker doesn’t check the facts and that the Colts did not test the balls.

  90. Steelers cheating needs to be exposed. They’ve been doing this for just as long as the Patsies. No wonder why Bell doesn’t fumble all that much. Deflated balls are much easier to carry.

  91. baddawg02 says:
    Dec 12, 2016 3:27 PM
    And to Flaccojumpball,they also have a coach that knows the rules,something the almighty Ravens don’t have. There fixed yours too.

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    Tomlin knows how to trip players and deflate footballs. This is confirmed. The Ravens don’t need to bend the rules in order to own your team. As for the Patsies? They deflated balls in the playoffs and would not have beaten the Ravens without it. That is confirmed. Ravens were robbed out of their rightful superbowl trophy that year. Flacco would have annihilated the PEDHawks.

  92. flaccojumpball says:
    Dec 12, 2016 4:31 PM

    Steelers cheating needs to be exposed. They’ve been doing this for just as long as the Patsies. No wonder why Bell doesn’t fumble all that much. Deflated balls are much easier to carry.

    ————————————————————–
    Maybe you don’t care, but posts like that will make you appear to be ignorant.

    A short 12 minute video would let you see the PSI numbers drop when a football is put into a refrigerator. The PSI numbers can them be seen increasing once the football is taken out of the refrigerator.

    Just search online for: “DEFLATE GATE & WHY SCIENCE SAYS THE PATRIOTS DID NOT TAMPER WITH FOOTBALLS”

  93. tedmurph says:
    Dec 12, 2016 2:23 PM

    Then they suspend Brady and sanction the Pats for being ‘generally aware’ of an equipment violation. Then they find out deflation was a natural phenomenon. Only at the appeal, after Wells said Brady cooperated, and they testified they had no direct evidence against Brady, did Goodell move the goal posts.
    ___________________________________

    You nailed it!

    The so-called appeal (where new evidence was used that could not be appealed) reminds me of the old Rodney Dangerfield joke …

    Doctor: You’re fat.

    Dangerfield: I want a second opinion.

    Doctor: OK, you’re also ugly.

  94. Had it involved the Pats in any way possible they would have dropped everything and covered it nonstop. Second coming, WWIII – forget about it. Dea’s a wicked pissa of a Patriot deflated ball story going on!

  95. So the NFL PR spin machine is capable of working fast when they want to squash a story that helps to exonerate Tom Brady and the Patriots.

    That’s the exact opposite of what the NFL did when it came to addressing the false (11 of 12 footballs 2.0 PSI below 12.50 PSI) story.

  96. Now we all know that the NFL PR office can issue a press release within a few days.

    So where is the NFL press release showing the PSI information that was collected during the 2015 season?

    It’s been 11 months and that PSI information is still being kept from the fans.

  97. trailerparkking says:
    Dec 12, 2016 12:34 PM
    Tomlin is willing to cooperate because he’s an honorable man, period. He cooperated when he interfered on the sideline against the ravens, took his punishment like a man, and went about his business. Not every team acts like a high school drama queen and turns everything into a circus like the Pats…..Some individuals have dignity, honor, and integrity.
    _____________________________________

    Yeah, funny how dignity, honor and integrity show themselves when there is video evidence of the crime vs assumptions, speculation and 100+ years of proven science…

    Nice try Troll…You lose again!

    20+ Years of NFL Dominance!

  98. I hope that someone with writing skills will add information to the “Deflategate” wikipedia page documenting how the NFL squashed this story.

    Information showing that the NFL collected PSI information during the 2015 season but then kept that information secret when it showed that deflategate never happened should also be added.

    Maybe a new section documenting all the ways the NFL covered up this story should be added.

    The information showing the delayed reversal of the false (11 of 12 footballs 2.0 PSI below 12.50 PSI) report should also be added.

  99. So now it looks like the NFL:
    • Rigged the 2016 draft (see Patriots stolen 1st round draft pick)
    • Tried to fix 4 of the Patriots games. (Was successful in fixing one).
    • Obtained 1 million dollars under false pretenses.
    • Plans on rigging the 2017 draft (see Patriots stolen 4th round draft pick)
    ==================

    I would add:
    > Tried to fix SB49 by spreading false stories to the media to distract the Patriots.

    Brady and Belichick had to hold press conferences based on the made-up story the league fed to Mortensen. Belichick spent three days learning about the football preparation process. Both of them had more important things they should have been doing.

  100. The NFL opened this can of worms and together with the lynching mob deserve whatever comes next. The league’s agenda, the media’s bias and the public’s hypocrisy when it comes to NE has now become nauseating.

    First, the NFL can’t claim within the same tweet that there was no formal complaint but also no foul play. Only fools can buy that story. Either there was no complaint and you don’t know what happened or there was a complaint and you found that nothing happened. Not both.

    Second, the NFL’s insistence of refuting the existence of the Ideal Gas Law is beyond ridiculous. They’re going through hoops to hide their PSI spot-checks results and they’re brushing away this story as non-existent when they could simply say “It was cold, balls deflate and that’s the law”.

    Finally, this is the bitching and moaning culture the NFL has created and nourished now. Let’s complain about footballs (Colts, Giants, Ravens), the headsets (Steelers, Cowboys), the weather (Cardinals), the trick plays (Ravens, Steelers), the scheduling (almost everyone and their fans), the officiating (almost everyone and their fans) and on and on it goes. If you lose it’s never because you were bad and if another team is successful it’s only because they cheated. All that’s left is for every team to get participation trophies. Right Colts?

  101. The fraud of deflategate was exposed a long time ago. Anyone with two working brain cells know it was nothing but a witch hunt and an immoral exercise of raw power by Fraudger Goodell.

  102. McNally: Tom sucks…im going make that next ball a f**kin balloon
    Jastremski: Talked to him last night. He actually brought you up and said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done.
    McNally: jimmy needs some kicks….lets make a deal…..come on help the deflator
    McNally:”Chill buddy im just f—in with you ….im not going to espn……..yet.”

    The court ruled why they sided with the league, discussing several issues related to the case, including Brady’s decision to destroy his personal cell phone the day he was to be interviewed by Ted Wells’ investigative team. A person who deliberately destroys relevant evidence did so in order to conceal damaging information.

    Brady cheated, its so obvious.

  103. Craven 245- love the text messages taken out of context! You put them together like they all were from the same text! Which they aren’t!
    The phone ( was not evidence), besides,wells said he didn’t need it or have any right to it. There is not one text message on anyone’s phone from Tom , significant information you left out.
    Brady didn’t cheat, it’s so obvious,unless you don’t believe science!

  104. I put this in the wrong thread, so here it is again

    @Craven

    You are factually incorrect. Brady said he replaced the phone on the day of the Wells interview, because it was broken. Goodell was the one that claimed Brady destroyed it, Brady never said he did that, and there is no documentation of that. They never even saw the phone, so they really have no idea what it’s condition was, only what Brady told them. Furthermore, there is nothing that states when it broke. You are imagining it happened on the day of the Wells interview based solely on Goodell’s made up claimy that Brady destroyed it.

  105. Alright Steelers fans… How does it feel to know that your team cheats and that the only way your QB can win is by cheating and that your 2 Super Bowls are tainted as well as all the games that you’ve won over the last decade are tainted. That you’re going to lose a 1st round pick and your QB is going to be suspended for 4 games and your team fined 1 million dollars. Oh and everybody hates you for even trying to defend your team when they’re so obviously guilty. In fact, most believe that you should be banned from even playing for a year. We want to see Big Ben’s emails and phone records and when we get them we promise not to leak any bit of it, not even his preferred pool cover color or whose records he might eventually beat. Then, after we leak that information we’ll ask to see his actual phone, not just the records, even though we said before we didn’t need the phone. This should be very easy for Ben to do, not because we didn’t just leak the other information he gave us (just ignore that part) but because he’s innocent and has nothing to hide. Oh ya, we will also feed erroneous reports to major media outlets exaggerating your supposed cheating and never even consider retracting them even after they’ve been proven to be wrong. This just so people can hate you all the more.

    Yes Steelers fans, how does that sound? If only for a brief second, you now know what it’s been like to be a Pats fan for the last 3 years (minus 1 super bowl that is).

    Oh wait, never mind. I take it all back. NFL said there’s “nothing to see here”. And for once they’re actually right!

    Look forward to seeing you Steelers in the playoffs – since we’ll both be playing with deflated balls there’s no built-in excuses for whoever loses. Not that the Pats ever use excuses anyways.

  106. footballfanatic says:
    Dec 12, 2016 1:39 PM

    factschecker says:
    Dec 12, 2016 12:42 PM

    Turns out u dont check facts at all. The Colts didnt test any balls themselves. A player said the ball felt flat

    Nope, that’s the D’Qwell Jackson lie. which btw should have told everyone all they needed to know.

    When you’re probable cause turns out to be a lie so does your entire case. But that wasn’t what the court ruled on. They literally ruled that the NFL CAN punish on fabricated evidence based on CBA language.

  107. 5+ million dollars to determine if the Patriots broke the ball protocol or not. One phone call to the Steelers to determine the exact same thing.

    Just sayin’

  108. trailerparkking says:
    Dec 12, 2016 12:34 PM
    Tomlin is willing to cooperate because he’s an honorable man, period. He cooperated when he interfered on the sideline against the ravens, took his punishment like a man, and went about his business. Not every team acts like a high school drama queen and turns everything into a circus like the Pats…..Some individuals have dignity, honor, and integrity.
    =========================
    5+ million dollars to determine if the Patriots broke the ball protocol or not. One phone call to the Steelers to determine the exact same thing.

    Just sayin’

  109. I wonder if Tomlin would have taken time out of preparing for the SB to conduct his own experiments on how balls deflate naturally. If only BB cooperated more. SMH

  110. routerunning says:
    Dec 12, 2016 12:38 PM
    Respect you Mike and like your reporting. But you cannot simply use an etch-a-sketch to erase the verfied text messages between N.E. employees where one employee referred to himself as the “deflator” and talked about making the football as big as a “watermelon” after Brady complained about the previous games’ footballs.

    The ‘deflation’ text messages are fact. The balls disappearing for whatever reason before the game into a washroom is fact. Please stop acting as if these important, proven facts didn’t occur and it was all the cold weather. When a human being calls himself the “deflator”, any logical person without a bias knows something was going on.
    ==========================
    The problem is the complete void of any investigation from the NFL to see if any texts exists between Ben and the staff re: ball prep etc. You and many others conveniently forget all of those “facts” were uncovered AFTER an investigation.

  111. craigruby20 says:
    Dec 12, 2016 12:40 PM
    Deflategate was always about intent and cooperation. It was about a guy named “the deflator” taking game balls into a bathroom unauthorized and about Tom Brady not fully cooperating because his lawyers used him as a pawn. Period. No one really cares about ball pressure.
    ========================
    First, that’s ridiculous. What you are saying is akin to “Let’s launch an investigation and see if the Patriots and Brady cooperate even though ball deflation doesn’t matter”. Of course it matters. How exactly can you tell what the intent was in Pit without launching the same type of investigation used to determine intent in Deflategate originally?

  112. jag1959 says:
    Dec 12, 2016 1:19 PM
    You have no idea how insulting that is to all the fans of other teams that called out framegate for what it was from the moment the Well$ report was released. Take a break from the persecution complex and at least give a tip of the cap to those of us who have been insulted and repeatedly had our fandom called into question for having your backs.
    =================
    Acknowledged.

  113. daysend564 says:
    Dec 12, 2016 1:30 PM
    How many phones were destroyed? Because you know it is that time of the year to destroy phones.
    =======================
    There is literally only one way to find out. The real question is why isn’t anybody looking into it?

  114. thebrownswillalwaysloose says:
    Dec 12, 2016 1:45 PM
    Yeah, but were the Steelers ball handlers seen taking the footballs into the bathroom? How about any documented text messages discussing this illegal activity? Are any of the ball handlers known as “The Deflator” (cause you know he wanted to lose weight, lol) Did Big Ben destroy his phone?
    =====================
    Let’s find out!!!! Again, the real question is why we aren’t finding out.

  115. If Goodell is going to sweep Deflategate 2.0 under the rug, I wish he would give the Patriots their first-round draft picks and their $1 million dollars back, and reimburse Tom Brady for the 4 games he missed. He has a lot more to do to “make it right,” but it would at least be a step in the right direction. By the way, this is coming from a Steelers fan.

  116. flaccojumpball says:
    Dec 12, 2016 12:48 PM
    Unlike the Baltimore organization teams beneath us in the pecking order like the sorry Steelers and Patsies have to cheat to gain an advantage. The only reason the Patsies finally beat the Ravens in 2014 is well documented. The Pats had under inflated footballs the entire game and used illegal formations. The Steelers…well lets face it…we own both of these sorry teams. Great win tonight for the Ravens. Now on to the Superbowl beatdown that the Ravens will give the Cowboys. Steve Smith will get his ring this year. Its already done. We already won this year. All that needs to be completed is the parade route.

    ===========

    I think you went like 0 for 20 in this post.

  117. joker65 says:
    Dec 14, 2016 5:19 PM
    So, if protocols were followed, how did the balls become deflated on a cold December day in Pennsylvania?

    ——————
    The funny thing is that ‘the protocols were followed’ is the lie in that statement. As soon as the Giants stuck those needles in the protocols were no longer followed.

    And of course that other statement he made about how the chain of custody was never broken..if those balls are off in the hands of Giants assistants who are sticking needles in them without the refs around, the chain of custody was very broken.

    As far as “no violations”…lets face it, he is right on that one. 11.6 and 11.4 may be outside allowable limits but they are not violations IF (and only if) you are considering the ideal gas law and how it would have changed those balls that were legal when Pittsburg brought them onto the field. Goodell is actually getting the answer right this time to not charge Pittsburg with anything. It was the first time he was wrong. (And lets face it, his words in this actions this time are the admission he is not man enough to just stand up and give)

    Yes the Giants are guilty of the one and only violation in all this, but really was it a big thing? Frankly, if I was the giants and about to hand over balls I think are suspicious (and I felt I have witnessed dishonesty from the party I was about to hand them to) I would want to record my own measurement of what I handed over to them before I did. Completely understandable. So not charging them is the right call too.

    As far as what good a second deflategate would do…thats none. Its sickening for all to listen too. New England is not getting anything back, thats done. Tom Brady was forced to watch his team go 3-1 while chilling on a beach in southern Italy with a supermodel. No way anyone can take that back. New England fans have heard more than enough on it and been sickened by it enough. So they need this less than anyone.

  118. flaccojumpball says:
    Dec 12, 2016 12:48 PM

    Unlike the Baltimore organization teams beneath us in the pecking order like the sorry Steelers and Patsies have to cheat to gain an advantage. The only reason the Patsies finally beat the Ravens in 2014 is well documented. The Pats had under inflated footballs the entire game and used illegal formations. The Steelers…well lets face it…we own both of these sorry teams. Great win tonight for the Ravens. Now on to the Superbowl beatdown that the Ravens will give the Cowboys. Steve Smith will get his ring this year. Its already done. We already won this year. All that needs to be completed is the parade route.

    ——————————-

    We can agree to disagree why the Patriots beat the Ravens in 2014. But can you tell me why the Patriots beat the Ravens last night?

  119. jag1959 says:
    Dec 12, 2016 1:19 PM
    You have no idea how insulting that is to all the fans of other teams that called out framegate for what it was from the moment the Well$ report was released. Take a break from the persecution complex and at least give a tip of the cap to those of us who have been insulted and repeatedly had our fandom called into question for having your backs

    Props for your continued objectivity. No fan base, Pats or otherwise, should be judged based on the mindless musings of a jealous, immature few. I often think that some of these guys are just hucksters. I know a few Raven/Steeler/Seahawks/Cowboys/Bills fans and they are not well represented by the trollsih behavior we see here daily.

    But up here in NE, we’re still a little irritated that the NFL with an assist from either dupes or accomplices from IA & MD, pull this nonsense in the first place.

    Then again, anyone with the sense of a gnat figured that out when there was no fine for both teams having “soft” balls and when one broke the rules by putting a gauge in a game ball on th esideline.

    Haters, y’all bought into a big lie so feeling defensively embarrassed is not unexpected.

  120. To understand who is the real liar here we must read from the Book of Goodell

    ” “We’re very careful with [suspending a player] and we’re very thoughtful with it,” Goodell said in May 2015. “I have great admiration and respect for Tom Brady, but the rules have to be enforced on a uniform basis and they apply to everybody in the league. They apply to every club, every individual coach, every individual player and that is something where we put the game ahead of everybody.”

    Later, he added: “One of the primary responsibilities for the commissioner is to protect the integrity of the game and to do what’s right for the game of football. That’s my job. I made this clear at Super Bowl. It’s our job to determine if there are violations of our rules, of our policies, of our procedures, and to enforce those. It’s my job here to make sure we protect the integrity of the game and we are protecting our policies, our procedures.”

    Several months later, after Brady had won an appeal of his suspension in a federal court, Goodell reiterated his message.

    “Our rules apply to everybody. They apply to every single player. And every single player expects those rules to apply to everybody. Every coach does, every fan does, every partner, every team does,” Goodell stated. “Our rules and the integrity of the game aren’t different because somebody is popular or somebody is a Super Bowl champ or not. They are to be applied evenly. Our teams expect that and that’s our job, that’s our responsibility. It’s my job. So no, I don’t regret that and we will continue to uphold the integrity of the game and we will do that as vehemently as we can.”

    The rules apply to everyone. There are zero exceptions. The integrity will be upheld — vehemently.

    This was Roger’s word.”

    Roger’s word – I do not think it means what he thinks it means.

  121. At 11.4 and 11.6 those balls are on the outside edge of the IGL if the starting PSI was 13.5. What were the starting PSI again?
    ===============

    A 4 month, multi-million dollar investigation would help determine that. The NFL doesn’t want to protect the integrity of the game in this situation, apparently.

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