NFL may fine Giants for illegal use of walkie-talkies

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As the Giants help the NFL sweep Deflategate 2 under the rug, the Giants themselves are now the subjects of the next league investigation: Walkie-talkiegate.

The league is expected to fine the Giants for using walkie-talkies in violation of NFL rules during Sunday night’s win over the Cowboys, the New York Post reports.

During the game, the Giants’ coach-to-quarterback system malfunctioned, and quarterback Eli Manning couldn’t hear coach Ben McAdoo calling plays. So McAdoo used a walkie-talkie to communicate to the speakers in Manning’s helmet. That’s against league rules, because the NFL has to ensure that no communication is being made to the quarterback once less than 15 seconds remain on the play clock.

When the Cowboys saw McAdoo with a walkie-talkie, they asked the NFL to investigate. Cowboys Executive V.P. Stephen Jones said, “it’s obvious to everybody what happened, and my understanding is it’s being looked into and handled.”

The NFL has been so inconsistent in the way it handles rules violations that there’s really no telling what the league might do about this latest issue. A full-blown Ted Wells investigation seems unlikely, but if the Giants did break the rules, the NFL should act. If it doesn’t, it will be hard to escape the perception that the Giants are getting away with something.

82 responses to “NFL may fine Giants for illegal use of walkie-talkies

  1. Huh, No wonder why Eli didn’t throw more than two interceptions. For one the Refs called one incomplete and Jason Garret didn’t throw the challenge flag, and two that the He had someone telling him what to do

  2. Should be a first round pick docked. We don’t know who they could be communicating with. If filming from an unauthorized spot is a first rounder, then this definitely is.

  3. Remember how the Vikings and Panthers got fines and loss draft picks for tampering with footballs, by heating them up.

    Oh that’s right, they just got a stern warning. The Giants didn’t even get that stern warning for tampering with footballs. Instead, they got Rodger do the back peddle dance on stage.

    Something tells me the Giants wont get anything more than a minor fine for breaking the rules to beat the Cowboys(who got punished for breaking cap rules in an uncapped year).

  4. Any fine will be minimal. For a franchise that condones domestic violence and admits to tampering with other teams’ footballs, they sure get a lot of love from Goodell.

    Goodell must be fired! Return integrity to the NFL!

  5. Maybe if we say the Giants used walkie talkies during a game everyone will forget about the PSI mess we created.

    What it really seems like is that the NFL has zero control of what happens game day.

  6. I dont know whats worse…..these idiotic rules or the hate for the Giants. Didnt have these ridiculous problems in the 80’s, I’ll tell you that.

  7. kenmasters34 says:

    Remember how the Vikings and Panthers got fines and loss draft picks for tampering with footballs, by heating them up.

    Oh that’s right, they just got a stern warning.
    —————-

    The Vikings never got a warning of any kind, because they didn’t warm their balls.

    Carolina is a different story…

  8. How DARE the Giants show the world that footballs lose pressure in cold weather! The walkie-talkie violation and subsequent “punishments” have absolutely everything to do with embarrassing Goodell and the league by exposing what anybody with common sense knew all along. That said it’s a darn good question though, how did they have walkies available on the correct frequency and is it such a stretch to believe they didn’t have the Cowboys frequency queued up too?

  9. So the reports are actually coming out now that the Giants were on the same radio frequency as the Cowboys and knew every play call in the 4th quarter. That is the only quarter they got pressure on Dak….so….read into that what you will

  10. NFL is so transparent. How stupid do you think the consumer really is? This on nothing more than a smokescreen to redirect attention away from the fact the giants tampered with footballs and slap a “minor penalty” (which is most certainly the lesser of two evils and Mara approved) on the team to give the impression the giants GOT GOT. Wrong. Nfl really trying to fool someone with the old Yankee stripes trick.

    So pathetic.

  11. Just think if Ernie Adams would have used walkie talkies instead of morse code! Ernie would be a hall of gamer too!

  12. does every NFL investigation have to have gate at the end? Can’t professional sports journalists come up with any other words.

  13. The full quote from Cowboys Exec VP:

    “It’s obvious to everybody what happened and my understanding is it’s ‘ looked into and handled,’’ Stephen Jones, the Cowboys’ executive vice president, told reporters in Frisco, Texas. “If you’re asking me if it affected the outcome of the game? No.’’

  14. arwiv says:
    Dec 15, 2016 10:24 PM
    I dont know whats worse…..these idiotic rules or the hate for the Giants. Didnt have these ridiculous problems in the 80’s, I’ll tell you that.
    ________________________

    The fanboys didn’t have a forum to bleat it out on in the ’80’s. But let’s be honest, we used to proudly have Wellington Mara as our owner and John is no Wellington. Where his father made sacrifices to his own wallet for the long term good of the game John has never hesitated to act in his own interests and seemingly goes out of his way to do it in the most sanctimonious way possible. As long term Giants fans in spite of John we have a warm affection for the Maras but we can hardly blame fans that don’t know anything about the history of the team or league for judging our current team by the actions of the birth lottery winner in charge of it.

  15. charger383 says: If Giants have these radios ready on the sidelines. do they have ones to listen in on the other team?

    maust1013 says: Uhh, the league controls the communication equipment. How is it the Giants had a walkie on the correct frequency?

    Sorry for the recap boys but that’s exactly what I was thinking. Why was it so easy for the Giants to tune to the correct frequency? Did the NFL tell them or can any mustached bozo crack it with a walkie bought at Talkies R’ Us? And more importantly, can you tune it as easily on your opponent’s frequency?

  16. I don’t care what team you’re a fan of: Talking to a QB via walkie-talkie after the 15-second cutoff is a heckuva lot worse than letting air pressure out of footballs.

  17. The walkie talkies obviously caused Dez to fumble and Prescott to throw 2 INT’s, and it obviously aided Beckham in his big TD catch. Give me a break, Cowgirl fans! You lost, stop crying and get over it.

  18. vikingsdefineaverage says:
    Dec 15, 2016 11:06 PM
    So the reports are actually coming out now that the Giants were on the same radio frequency as the Cowboys and knew every play call in the 4th quarter. That is the only quarter they got pressure on Dak….so….read into that what you will
    ===============
    Seeing as Mara only likes to come after his division rivals (salary cap Hell, in an uncapped year, plus he wanted to take draft picks, but was denied), your post would not surprise me one bit!!!!!!!!

  19. The NFL is a joke. I’ll still drop by for the hilarious headlines but I stopped caring three seasons ago. Every year I miss it less and less. This is my last year of fantasy football too. See ya! Welcome back Sunday, let’s go do something enjoyable.

  20. Losing a draft pick should be the punishment for this. The league has set a precedent in previous years for various infringements:

    Saints – bounty scandal
    Lions – tampering
    Patriots – deflategate
    Chiefs – tampering
    Falcons – piping in crowd noise
    Seahawks – breaking OTA rules

    Given that John Mara was a driving force behind the Cowboys being punished for exceeding the salary cap in a cap-free year *scratches head* this would be a little bit of Karma coming back his way.

  21. “What if our helmet radio quits working?”

    “No problem. We’ve got these walkie talkies right here that we can use as our back up system, even though as 2-way communication devices, if we ever do use them it’d be a clear violation of the league rules!”

    “BRILLIANT!”

  22. How do we know these walkie talkies geared to be used with the earphones in the helmets aren’t a regular part of the Giants communications system and only Eli’s helmet malfunctioning with THE NORMAL equipment monitored by the NFL employee made the Giants reveal their walkie talkie system?

    The NFL employee is just monitoring the NFL wavelength and shutting the comms off at the 15 second mark. How would he know if a team with a separate walkie talkie system was communicating with players on the field?

  23. NFL: “Ok penalty will be a 1st and a 4th round pick, and a million dollar fine, in addition we are suspending Coach Belichick…oh it was the Giants, not the Patriots, forget it just bury it”.

  24. Judge Smails says:
    Dec 15, 2016 10:11 PM

    But NFL hides Tom Brady secondary headset channel for 15 yrs now

    Blow the lid off all of

    The tell all about the Patriots will come out any day now.
    Evidently Tony Stark has provided Brady with Arc reactor and replusor technology to help his passes reach their mark and prevent him from being hit. He also has provided them autonomous drone balls that only travel to NE receivers.
    Now, if he could only straighten out Gostowski’s FG kicks……

  25. This is the problem when you have 1.5 million rules and regulations in the NFL and even the league can’t keep them straight. I could see what was happening on TV. Why didn’t someone from the league go down to the field to put an end to it?

  26. So the reports are actually coming out now that the Giants were on the same radio frequency as the Cowboys and knew every play call in the 4th quarter. That is the only quarter they got pressure on Dak….so….read into that what you will

    —————

    and they’d be stupid enough to do it on camera in front of a national audience. smh.

  27. Doesn’t matter that the NFL supplies garbage products inside the helmets as well as on the field? If the NFL’s equipment actually worked coaches wouldn’t need to use “plan B” to communicate with the QB on field. Embarrassing…

  28. Little silver spoon, nerdy, pocket protector wearing Ritchie Rich wont be given any consequences. Him and Goodell are above the rules that apply to the rest of the NFL.

  29. During the broadcast, the announcers seemed to suggest that this was a normal thing. That the walkies go with the teams on the road.

    Unlike the Pats, with the filming of other teams’ defensive signals, or with deflategate, no one was hiding anything. There are no whiny denials. There are is no destroying of evidence. The Giants may get a fine, but it won’t be much.

  30. The NY Giants will have to forfeit their 2021 9th round draft pick.

    Walkie Talkiegate doesn’t have much of a ring to it?

    Per NFL rule
    Revision 35B section Q
    Mannings shalt not be punished under any circumstance.

  31. bullcharger says:
    Dec 16, 2016 8:26 AM
    If this is even possible then it’s a joke because that means a walkie talkie from somewhere else in the stadium could be passing info to QBs all game.

    ——-

    It also means the signal would be way to simple to intercept and listen to for the opposing team.

  32. dip08 says:
    Dec 15, 2016 11:47 PM
    NFL is so transparent. How stupid do you think the consumer really is? This on nothing more than a smokescreen to redirect attention away from the fact the giants tampered with footballs and slap a “minor penalty” (which is most certainly the lesser of two evils and Mara approved) on the team to give the impression the giants GOT GOT. Wrong. Nfl really trying to fool someone with the old Yankee stripes trick.

    So pathetic.
    ——-
    That was the Steelers that allegedly tampered with the PSI vs the Giants. You also imply that the Pats PSI was natural but your hellbent that with the Giants (Even though it was Pittsburgh) it’s deliberate?

    How stupid are the consumer’s indeed?

  33. Judge Smails says:
    Dec 15, 2016 10:11 PM
    But NFL hides Tom Brady secondary headset channel for 15 yrs now

    Blow the lid off all of it
    ===================
    Ernie Adams … WiFi frequency technology ninja. His resume and mystique grows every day. His next feat will be to build a fully functioning transformer robot. LOL

  34. Not for nothing but if I am a Browns fan I would be pi$$ed at this slap on the wrist. The difference between Farmer on a cell phone texting to the sideline vs unapproved in game communication devices? A well connected owner perhaps? $250,000 team fine and a 4 game suspension is the bar. We’ll see if Goodell has the stones to even remotely touch that precedent. With the Giants in the hunt my guess it’s going to be well short of that.

    Bleepin pathetic. This commissioner is a bleepin joke!

  35. The Giants will get a stern warning and then at the next Patriots home game(or next season) they’ll be accused of doing it and be fined $1M and lose 2 draft picks. That’s the way Goodell’s NFL deals with rules violations by either New Jersey(York) team.

    Only real New York team is Buffalo.

  36. dip08 says:
    Dec 15, 2016 11:47 PM

    NFL is so transparent. How stupid do you think the consumer really is? This on nothing more than a smokescreen to redirect attention away from the fact the giants tampered with footballs and slap a “minor penalty” (which is most certainly the lesser of two evils and Mara approved) on the team to give the impression the giants GOT GOT. Wrong. Nfl really trying to fool someone with the old Yankee stripes trick.

    So pathetic.
    ————————————————-
    Actually, they know how stupid NFL fans can be. They prove it on a regular basis. They have bought into the ideas that the Patriots only win because they cheat and that only the Patriots “Cheat” as all the other teams are saintly and would never do anything wrong, see fan response to Framegate and Spygate as prime examples.

  37. Judge Smails says:
    Dec 15, 2016 10:11 PM
    But NFL hides Tom Brady secondary headset channel for 15 yrs now

    Blow the lid off all of it

    _______________________________________

    Now tell us how he switches channels?????? you realize he would have to be on a secondary network to do so right because the league runs the primary? and this all gets done in a matter of seconds???

  38. greggallmansliver says:
    Dec 16, 2016 10:49 AM
    Now tell us how he switches channels?????? you realize he would have to be on a secondary network to do so right because the league runs the primary? and this all gets done in a matter of seconds???
    =====================
    This is more conspiracy theory left over from Spygate. It’s actually in a book filled with many more than just that. I forgot the name of the author (largely because the book itself is forgettable). IIRC it’s speculation based on Flutie hearing communication in the headset after the 15 sec cutoff. Instead of blaming the NFL for cutting it off (like they should have), it was rumored another frequency was installed in Brady’s helmet (inevitably by Ernie Adams). Anybody add another frequency to a wireless receiver. Right? Forget the fact the NFL sweeps for illegal channel use before and during the game.

  39. As a rule, when one team loses communication, the NFL takes away communication for both teams – to keep it even. That night, as it turned out, both teams lost communication with their quarterbacks (coach to QB helmet audio). So there was no advantage to either team. But the Giants immediately implemented their own walkie talkie radio contact to ELI Manning. Beyond that violation, the NFL systematically cuts off all communication to the quarterback with 15 seconds remaining on the play clock. That way the coach upstairs cannot relay defensive formation information to the QB. There was no cut-off to the cheating. The cheating and forbidden audio to Manning never ended.

  40. arwiv says:
    Dec 15, 2016 10:24 PM

    I dont know whats worse…..these idiotic rules or the hate for the Giants.
    …………………………………………………………

    Your “Hate Theory” has no legs. Their forbidden standby walkie talkie system was in place, waiting, waiting for it’s opportunity to be taken advantage of. In the NFL, the definition of cheating is (and I’m no lawyer, just a fan with a brain) circumventing the rules in order to gain a competitive advantage over your opponent. Can you honestly deny that didn’t happen Sunday night?

  41. zeke2517 says:
    Dec 16, 2016 3:51 AM

    How does holding a walkie talkie indicate, specifically, who is communicating with whom?
    …………………………………………………………
    Early in the fourth quarter, the system shut down entirely. Equipment personnel tried to get Manning’s backup helmet to operate, but when that did not work McAdoo was handed a walkie-talkie.

    On the Giants sideline, McAdoo put the walkie-talkie close to his mouth and was able to communicate with Manning.

    “I don’t know when he was on the walkie-talkie or not,’’ Manning said. “I just knew it was back in my ear and we were going.’’

    Informed that using a walkie-talkie might not be legal, Manning said, “I don’t know if we did or didn’t or what happened there.’’

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