Giants raised PSI concerns during, not after, Steelers game

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The NFL initially addressed DeflateGate II with a perfunctory statement that seemed on the surface to dispute the notion that the Giants raised concerns about the air pressure in Steelers footballs when the two teams met in Pittsburgh on December 4. The NFL perhaps should have rested its case on the Giants filing “no formal complaint.”

On Wednesday, Commissioner Roger Goodell said just enough about the situation to make it clear that: (1) the Giants definitely raised a concern with the league about air pressure in the Pittsburgh footballs; and (2) the NFL definitely did nothing about it.

Before Goodell responded to media questions on the issue at the press conference held in connection with the Dallas ownership meetings, it was believed based on the initial report from FOX that the Giants had expressed their concerns after the game. Obviously, there’s nothing the NFL can do to investigate PSI suspicions after a game, because there’s no way to know what the pressure in all Steelers footballs was after the game.

As it turns out, the Giants made their concerns known before the game ended.

“The Giants had asked us about it during the game,” Goodell told reporters. “We went back. We checked that. They were properly followed. All of the league protocols were being properly followed and there’s no further follow up on that. The teams didn’t follow up and we didn’t follow up any further because we were comfortable that the protocols were followed.”

In January 2015, the Colts had similar concerns about footballs used by the Patriots. At that point, the league office mobilized on the spot to check the air pressure in each of the New England footballs and, supposedly given the constraints of halftime, only some of the Indianapolis footballs. In the Giants-Steelers situation, the league did nothing to check the air pressure in the footballs, despite the Giants’ beliefs that the balls were underinflated.

So why not take possession of the footballs used by both teams and test them immediately after the game ended? The official position as explained by the Commissioner is that there was no need to do anything because the pre-game protocols were followed.

“What you do is you test the balls before the game, and the officials always maintain of those footballs from that point on,” Goodell said. “We went back and we checked with the officials to make sure they checked the proper inflation. They did that. The balls were retained in their control from that point on. So the protocols were followed all the way.

If that’s a sufficient explanation, why then does the NFL conduct halftime PSI spot checks? If the pre-game protocols are followed and if the chain of custody is undisturbed based on changes made by the league after DeflateGate I, there’s no reason to ever check football PSI after the start of a given game.

Of course, in this case, it’s now clear that the Giants tested the PSI levels of two Pittsburgh footballs. It’s clear because Goodell necessarily admitted that the Giants tested the PSI levels when explaining why the measurements taken by the Giants weren’t taken seriously.

“That’s why you don’t rely on somebody else testing them,” Goodell said. “They are using a different device. Somebody else is testing them. They have to be tested by the officials who use the same device to make sure there is accuracy in that.”

And that, friends, is called a smoking gun.

The gun is emitting white puffs because DeflateGate I proceeded even though two different gauges were used by the officials before the game — and those gauges varied by roughly 0.4 PSI. To make matters worse, the experts with a reputation for massaging science to meet the needs of their clients discarded the best recollection of referee Walt Anderson regarding the use of the varying gauges, arguably in order to make the evidence fit neatly inside the “someone deflated the footballs” box.

As I’ve said many times in the past, Ted Wells should have concluded based on the varying gauges and the rest of the proof that the evidence was inconclusive as to whether anyone tampered with the footballs. Goodell’s comments regarding the unreliability of the Giants’ PSI gauge supports that view, conclusively.

The league apparently is willing to assume the risk that Patriots fans and agitators will once again wave the “Free Brady” flag in the aftermath of DeflateGate II. After all, the rants of people like me and Ben Affleck are predictable and relatively easy to ignore.

Besides, circling the wagons and denigrating the doubters presents a much better alternative to gathering up the footballs used by both teams in the Giants-Steelers game after the final gun sounded, measuring the air pressure in every football, and realizing given the Ideal Gas Law that ALL OF THE FOOTBALLS would have been under 12.5 PSI — and possibly in the exact same range as the footballs used by the Patriots in the 2014 AFC championship game.

137 responses to “Giants raised PSI concerns during, not after, Steelers game

  1. That’s ok,,on President Trumps list of 100 is a restoration of the Fine and Draft picks stolen by Roger the Dodger….

  2. “After all, the rants of people like me and Ben Affleck are predictable and relatively easy to ignore.”

    Actually, I don’t think anybody ignores Ben Affleck’s rants. He’s much more colorful with his language.

  3. Why isn’t there an investigation why the league has a double standard. Donald Trump should create a panel to investigate the illegal activities of the NFL.

  4. Did the GIANTS realize Ben was throwing those balls to them? Ben stunk Sunday. Get a grip PFT… this is a non-story. Brady is a two time cheater off and on the field.

  5. So back then, Walt Anderson said on record that he recalled using the Logo gauge. And the Patriot PSI numbers on that gauge averaged 11.49 psi, which is on the high end of the Wells Report expected range of 11.32-11.52.

    But they did not accept Anderson’s best recollection and decided to instead include the non-logo gauge numbers in their assessment.

    And now Goodell comes up with this quote? Simply unbelievable!

    “They have to be tested by the officials who use the same device to make sure there is accuracy in that.”

  6. no real point in going down this road ….all people read these days are headlines !!!….real investigation makes no difference nor will it change what side of the story is believed

    The fact that the patriots are still one of top four teams while be watched a lot closely than before will mean

    they cheating better !!!

    they always were this good !!!

    to me i just wonder why no ex players have come out and exposed this so call lie !!!

  7. Well-written article, Florio. Unfortunately, Deflategate One wasn’t about psi’s, blue skies, and sunshiny days.

    It was about 31 very jealous owners who want (ed) Brady off the field for as many games as possible to give their teams a puncher’s chance of winning some games, and giving them a much better chance to get into the playoffs, and to put Brady “in his place” when he told harbaugh to read the rulebook.

    If a fan started watching the NFL at about 14 or 15 years of age, that same fan is probably married, possibly with children. The GOAT is STILL torching their team, year in and year out, and thus the witchhunt. In decades to come, it’s goodell’s “legacy” which will be tarnished, not the GOAT’s.

  8. He can talk all he wants..he has zero credibility based on his history and I have zero respect for him…Things arent universally enforced as he claims they are….The less he addresses this issue …he digs himself deeper…………

  9. Didn’t read a single word of this article.

    Can you please just give this up already? We get it, the NFL is full of hypocrites that cheated the Pats situation completely different than this one.

    No one cares anymore?

  10. That’s just Supreme Chancellor Mara and his Supreme Chancellor Jr. Rooney running their little league like they choose to.

    Plenty of people keep their eyes on Goodell, but it’s Mara & Rooney who tell that insignificant tool what to do and say.

    New Orleans, New England, Washington, Dallas, Denver…. just get in line to get crushed by the Supreme Chancellor and Supreme Chancellor Jr..

  11. As I previously wrote, I don’t care what anyone’s opinion of Tom Brady is. Goodell is truly contemptible. He’s as despicable a human being as you’d ever meet.

  12. It’s an archaic rule from when both teams used balls supplied by the home team. That’s no longer the case as each team now supplies their OWN balls that are massaged- and inflated- to their own QB’s liking. Just get rid of it already so we don’t have to suffer Deflategate XIX when Archbald Manning II is accused by the Las Vegas Raiders…

  13. The NFL owes TB 12 an apology, along with a return of the $ million to Mr Kraft and they need to restore the remaining draft picks. If they had believed Walt Andersons recollection of what gauge he used ” frame-gate ” never would have occurred.
    Exactly how is protocol followed if the Giants tampered with the footballs?? And since protocol was followed explain why the footballs were below regulation? That pesky Ideal Gas Law, even with ” protocol followed ” it strikes again!!

    The double standard applied to the Steelers is appalling,
    So much for integrity!

  14. Lawl. Can the league please fire this clown already?

    #SayMyBoardName
    #WhatIsMyName
    #SayIt
    #PreachIt

  15. Good grief….deflategate is over and settled. The refs check the balls before the game and then maintain possession of them throughout the game. These are reasonable steps based on what happened the first time around in New England. Time to let this go….

    I’m a Dolphin fan, and I can assure you, Tom Brady is going to be remembered as one of the greatest QB’s of all time regardless of any of these distractions. Stop working so hard to improve his legacy….it is not necessary.

  16. it’s pretty clear that the NFL learned a lot of “what to do wrong” during Deflategate 1 but will be willing to let the NFL go bankrupt before they would admit that they screwed up during deflategate 1.

    They will not repeat the same mistakes, while at the same time they will refuse to admit they were wrong the first time around.

  17. So, bottom line is:

    There’s nothing wrong with the Giants/Steelers because protocols were followed (kind of) but the Pats cheated because Goodell says so.

    Ok, got it.

  18. Enough already. The real difference is, the league can steal draft picks all it wants from the Pats…check the standings…doesn’t amount to a god damn lick of difference. The other 31 only dream they could say the same

  19. As I said in a previous thread:

    The Colts measurements of the intercepted ball before halftime was enough for Kensil to have all the Pats footballs measured and then go to the Pats and tell them they were ‘in f-ing trouble’.

    Interesting to note that the ball intercepted by the colts measured the same psi as the ones intercepted by the Giants. But of course nothing to see there.

  20. .. And what about the fact that the Refs are suppose to be the only personnel to touch the footballs after the pre-game measurements.. Right? So how did the NY Giants access them (Before the game ended) to test them?

    Unless I don’t understand the NFL’s lousy protocols it seems like NYG having access to said footballs is yet another smoking gun.

    The NFL is the ultimate in hypocrisy!

  21. The NFL and Goodell keeps losing credibility. This a major reason for the TV ratings drop. I didn’t get NFL Sunday Ticket for the first time since 1995.

  22. The NFL needs to finally come clean with this and make all of their observations public. But in doing so they open up a whole new can of worms. Even so, the Patriots need to get their $1M back, their draft picks, and an apology from the league office. They also need to apologize t Brady.

  23. N.E and Brady were punished and dragged through the mud because slightly deflated footballs was supposedly a massive advantage, punishable worse than steroids.
    Upon learning 8th grade science,
    the NFL changed the narrative to N.E being punished for breach of protocol.
    Problem there is that this “protocol” wasn’t in place until this season.

  24. roger is all about integrity, his favourite word.
    first off its illegal to check the other teams balls with a gauge, the colts have done it and now the giants,
    second its no longer about PSI levels its about protocols, its really funny because the steelers balls were the same as the patriots but there were no protocols in place when they tested the patriots balls.
    lastly there is one person in the nfl that has consistently lied, manipulated the truth, bent rules, and preached to everyone that would listen and that is teh same man that gets the award for worst commissioner of any sport in all of history

    our roger goodell,

  25. The league already knew all this last year. That’s why, instead of the suspension being for ‘generally aware of a scheme to deflate FBs’, they moved on to red herring #2. Brady was suspended for conduct detrimental because he ‘destroyed’ his cell phone and didn’t cooperate. The phone they weren’t entitled to, said they didn’t want, had read the transcipts of and were offered written transcipts by the Brady camp. After Wells said Brady cooperated fully. And the appeal judges let Goodell get away with it. Because the CBA basically says he can do whatever he wants.

  26. Sticking a needle into a gameball after ref inspection can alter the PSI of the ball and is thus illegal. Now we have two teams, the Colts and now the Giants, both admit to sticking gameballs with needle gauges and the NFL does nothing. Yet Roger couldn’t say it often or loud enough during the Brady saga that “the rules apply to everyone and every team equally..integrity of the game…” and on and on. Good gravy the rock bottom of the NFL’s hypocrisy just keeps sinking lower.

  27. Steelers and Patsies clearly cheated. Delete all records and stats from 2000-2017 with these two teams. Both QBs decided to vacate any potential hall of fame induction when they decided to cheat. At least the Ravens are a class organization unlike these two.

  28. As I recall, the Giants absolutely stunk up the joint in that game. Eli threw 2 picks, Ben threw a pick. Leave it to the Giants to resort to saying the Steelers messed with the game balls, instead of admitting they were outplayed by a mile. Roger Goodell should be going after the Steelers with a vengeance like he did Tom Brady and the Patriots, if there is any credence to this story.

  29. The NFL was unconcerned about PSI readings for a good 50 years until it became an easy way for some folks to harm and hinder the Pats organization. Now that it is done with they no longer care about PSI (unless it effects the Pats).

  30. my team was robbed I want a Win for that game this is unfair
    Ben good Tom bad?
    My Giants got robbed

  31. Correct me if I am wrong here. Teams cannot measure the pressure of game balls during the game. Theirs, or others. That is a violation of the rules. Just like the Colts did.

    I certainly hope that the Patriot organization starts loudly and very publicly complaining about this freaking fiasco. Oh, and the one that got them and Brady completely screwed.

  32. The only reasonable action to take at this point is to strike all of the Steelers championships from the record books, and have Big Ben give back his Super Bowl rings.

  33. it’s so cold outside my low tire indicator light keeps coming on……hey wait Giants-Steelers, didn’t the temperature fall like 20 degrees during that game?

  34. NFL stinks. Deflect from REAL league problems.
    Repeat narrative, deflect…over,& over………
    I have watched many fewer games this year. The product is weak. Is the NFL still on Mon, Thurs nights ;-))

  35. Wow. People who actually followed the case details UNANIMOUSLY conclude over and over that Goodell is a liar. Meanwhile a country dumb enough to vote for Donald Trump (without any factual basis) is still struggling with it.

    Surprise, surprise…

  36. Which two teams have the most and 3rd most Superbowl appearances? Which two teams are the biggest cheaters? Which two teams deflated their footballs? Sorry if the answers seem repetitive.

  37. The nfl opened this can of worms with deflategate and went down the rabbit hole in large part urged on by the rooney”s and the mara’s and its never going to end now. The nfl, rooney’s and mara’s probably will be able to do enough to let this particular story end but,

    then another example is going to come up, and then another and then another and it will ever end.

    If the owners in the NFL don’t like it, look in the mirror. If the fans of those teams don’t like it, look at the owners.

  38. Goodell and the NFL owners who hate the Pats have no shame. Goodell should have been fired based on his manufacturing facts to fit his personal agenda that the Patriots cheated. He let the Patriots twist in the wind, despite the bogus Chris Mortensen report that all Pats footballs were 2PSI below normal. I don’t even know why he asked Ted Wells to write his bogus report. Goodell was going to find the Patriots guilty regardless. Everyone knows by now this was a complete sham and Goodell looks worse by the day. But nothing will be done. Everyone hates the Pats. Ted Wells and his crooked crew are laughing all the way to the bank. The NFL has gone back to not caring about PSI after caring about it on 1 day in its history.

  39. Goodell, and the league, have lost all credibility. It gets harder and harder to tune in when the duplicitous BS is going on all the time.

  40. John Mara, the Giants’ owner:

    Made a backroom deal to protect Josh Brown (who Mara knew had abused his wife on several occasions) from the mandatory 6 game suspension.

    Insisted Brady cheated and made it clear how serious the “violation” was.

    Now he claims a little psi is “much ado about nothing.”

    Now I’m a Pats’ fan. Brady didn’t have anything deflated and neither did Big Ben. The NFL admitted as much with their refusal to even investigate or, MOST IMPORTANTLY, release the psi data from their checks.

  41. There’s a very good reason why the NFL, and not individual teams, need to measure the PSI of balls…give me an air pressure gauge and I can leak as much air as I want out of a ball while getting a read.

    So the Giants “tested” two balls, so what? If the balls felt soft (ugh, sorry for that), then they should have handed them over to the officials and asked that they be formally tested.

  42. The bottom line is Tom Brady got caught red handed cheating. Nothing that happens two years later can distract us from those facts. I feel badly for Tom, that he’s going to have to live with that label. I hope the HOF has sympathy. I’m a big Roger Clemens fan, but it doesn’t matter what happens after the fact. Clemens was caught cheating.

  43. I know Florio tried his hardest to keep these “controversies” a hot story, but it’s not that hard to understand. The NFL previously had specific protocols in place for air pressure (which was broken when patriots took the balls in the bathroom). Since then, NFL has created stricter protocols for the air pressure, which were followed on Sunday, regardless of what the Giants reported. Story over. Sorry Florio, nothing to see here.

  44. How about the Giants footballs, what about them? Science says that all footballs for all teams in games played outside in cold weather are going to be underinflated. The Giants footballs were too, it’s just that the Steelers didn’t break the rules to check them. It’s a non story blown out of proportion.

    This is what should have happened for the Patriots too.

  45. This is now just to garner clicks for PFT and to humor Brady’s Internet Defense Team… let it go the rest of us are bored with the whining of yeh spoiled Cheaties brats.

  46. So PATs fans are saying the NFL wanted to knowingly punish the most popular QB for something they KNEW he didn’t do? Do they just HATE all the money he brings in every time he plays? If it was so clear cut he didn’t do anything, what was the benefit to the NFL brand/juggernaut in the suspension?!

  47. Hopefully there’s a disaffected league employee at 345 Park Avenue who’s walking around with a thumb drive full of sketchy emails and memos and he’s waiting for the right moment to “pull an Edward Snowden”.

    I don’t think it would make up for the loss of draft picks, the $1 million fine or the hit to the reputations of the NE organization and Brady but it would be great to watch Goodell, Vincent, Pash and a clutch of co-conspirator owners sweat questioning, first before House/Senate committees during televised hearings and eventually in one or more courts of law as various members of the Saints and Brady bring civil suits.

  48. Charlie charger u are a fool. U apparently havent read one thing other than espn headlines.

    Now i fully understand why the Patriots and their fans are as pissed as they are. They got screwed big time. The nfl tried to destroy Brady to the point where his marriage was in trouble and all because of a witchhunt.

  49. If the NFL’s stance is that the Patriots were punished by the NFL for the guy taking the balls into the bathroom they would have said so, instead they told a long, detailed story of how the balls were found to be underinflated based on the testing done at halftime.

    Now they’ve decided that that kind of testing is inaccurate, and means nothing.

    And I don’t think Goodell even understands the blatant contradiction in his own statements.

  50. Oh and if pats balls were tampered with, then why was there psi exactly where science suggested they should be, just like pitts

    Mara is a clown

  51. Often forgotten by Florio is that Brady and the Patriots were punished for getting in the way of the investigation that’s come to be known as “Deflategate.” That’s it. Had Brady been honest he wouldn’t have been suspended for four games.

  52. Goodell also stated last year that every ball checked was within in 12.5 – 13.5 range even in cold weather. But he wont release the data. This guy is a certifiable buffoon

  53. I think it is time for Bob Kraft to grow a nut and raise hell.
    If not….Turn the whole damned thing over to Jonathan.
    How can the owner watch all of this happen and not do anything?

  54. It’s sad really. Patsie fans are using this to justify Tom Shady’s blatant cheating. Steelers fans are quiet because they don’t want to admit that Little Ben has been caught doing something illegal yet again. How come if the “ideal gas law” is a real thing with these balls that it’s only been the Steelers and Patsies caught breaking the rules? Hell the Steelers are going to get killed on Christmas even though their coach trips players and is generally aware of ball deflating. Everyone knows they can’t hold a candle to Ravens Nation. Ben and Tom Shady are the new Bonds and Clemens. Great stats but obviously cheaters.

  55. If Goodell truly was concerned with protocol over truth, the entire deflategate mess would have fallen squarely on referee Walt Anderson’s shoulders.

    There was a protocol for handling the footballs before deflategate. Peter King wrote a long column earlier in 2014 detailing exactly what they were.

    Anderson was supposed to keep the balls in his sight but he did not do that. He let Jastremski walk out of the officials locker room with two big bags of balls. Why? Everyone in that room was watching the end of the NFC Championship game on the TV. Adding to that mistake, he chose not to find them and bring them back to be re-tested — remember that according to Goodell, ball inflation is THE most important thing for integrity of the game.

    Walt Anderson was not assigned any playoff games the following year, but he has not admitted any blame or offered any apology for how his carelessness caused this mess. No integrity.

  56. Kraftcheat, Belicheat, Bradycheat, their agents & certain media entities have been biting at the chomps looking for any possible opportunity to bring this up again. Lacking that opportunity, Kraft is ‘krafting’ this one. The changes put in place make it impssible for this to happen again…which is why they know it didn’t happen. So unless the Giants or the referees file an actual complaint (which hasn’t happened), then this is just a bunch of nonsense designed to ‘muddy the waters’, being spun by those who were previously proven guilty. Suck it up Patricheats & Fans…You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting!

  57. Three brief comments: 1) NFL doesn’t know the IGL, but it sure knows how to off-gas; 2) Everything Goodell said about DG2 amounts to a shoulder shrug; 3) the Patriots ARE special.

  58. So droolboy declared himself spokesperson for all non Patriots fans? Y’all must be very proud. Good luck with that.

  59. There’s a lot of similarities to the Giant’s report & the CIA’s statement regarding Russian hackers. The CIA won’t give Congressional testimony stating that what’s in the media is accurate…and the Giants won’t step forward and say the same thing about the game balls report. If they refuse to actually claim it’s true…it’s essentially an admission that it’s false.

  60. it’s all ok, in Goodell’s mind, this is the 1920 White Sox, last year the Pats were the 1919 White Sox, that was last year, this is this year, DUH, see No problem!

  61. Today, Brady has no idea what happened in Giants/Steelers game. But he does know the cavalier, slithering, dismissive stance Goodell is taking. So, if TB’s Revenge Tour lost a few milli-moles of air, events like DG2 can restore it. 2017, after TB gets trophy, ‘Roger, get off the platform.’

  62. Look, the only thing we know for sure is, none of the Patriots trophies really count at this point. Maybe some day they will win one legitimately.

  63. Just think if Goodell was appropriately fired for lying about Ray Rice twice in 2014 with a federal judge (the first of 3) to tell him he lied, Deflategate never would have occurred.

    Goodell and the owners who framed up Spygate got away with that (or maybe not, as this starts to make it more obvious Goodell lied there, too), so it’s pretty funny they went for it again, because the Spygate lie wasn’t enough.

    LOL

    I mean, the idea they actually had the balls to say part of the Delategate punishment was tied to Spygate, yet Spygate, too, was completely made up…Just absolutely uneblievable.

    Goodell has made up one lie to piggyback towards another to appease jealous owners who look to cheat the Pats behind the scenes and a hope to get back a stronger parity in the cap era.

    This is arguably the greatest sports scandal ever and the media is sitting on it, or at least some of the media is.

  64. “They were properly followed. All of the league protocols were being properly followed and there’s no further follow up on that. The teams didn’t follow up and we didn’t follow up any further because we were comfortable that the protocols were followed.”

    — The above is why people hate professional politicians that don’t speak straight. Roger is the son of one and equally contemptible.

  65. The “owners” and their henchman don’t care about what the fans think. As long as they’re getting their huge commercial revenue from Coke, Bud and whomever, they don’t care. They are flaunting their money in front us and just laughing their asses off.

  66. The original deflategate report included a photo in which the two very different guages were arranged so that their very obvious differences (namely that one had a long bent needle and a logo) were disguised.

    This was a necessary fix because the needle which provided the lower readings would have exonerated the Pats, so the league had to make it as believable as possible that ref Walt Anderson could have been mistaken as to which guage was used (even though they accepted everything else he said). We all know about the “2 pounds under” lie and the “Pats also switched k-balls” lie, but this deliberately misleading photo, massaged to help the league dismiss the key point of the ref’s testimony, proves that the league enacted a fraud.

  67. Wasn’t the game between Indy and the Pats stopped just prior to NE running a play so the refs could remove and test their current game ball? No such occurrence in the Giants-Steelers game. I’m typically annoyed by the tinfoil hat conspiracy Pats fans but the difference in the handling of these 2 incidents is a bit of an eyebrow raiser

  68. Its apparent that Brady was suspended for the way he handled the investigation not that anything was proven against him, the smoking gun was him destroying evidence and not admitting to it until after the phone company discarded his texts…Brady clearly tampered with the balls, the league just couldn’t prove it, Goodell just used his position as Judge, Jury and appeal board and suspended him anyways….

  69. The hardest I’ve laughed in a long time is when some idiot on ESPN had a football in each hand, and said that one of them was inflated 2 lbs less than the other. He then proceeded to feel how much each ball “WEIGHED”…and said…I can’t tell a difference…they feel the same to me.

  70. schmokes says:
    Dec 15, 2016 3:40 PM
    I know Florio tried his hardest to keep these “controversies” a hot story, but it’s not that hard to understand. The NFL previously had specific protocols in place for air pressure (which was broken when patriots took the balls in the bathroom). Since then, NFL has created stricter protocols for the air pressure, which were followed on Sunday, regardless of what the Giants reported. Story over. Sorry Florio, nothing to see here.
    =====================
    There was no protocol before and there is none now. It’s silly to even suggest otherwise. The only thing change din the protocol were periodic PSI checks. That’s it. The refs have as much control over the balls as before. Evident by the Giants ability to gauge not one but two balls.

  71. “the smoking gun was him destroying evidence” Umm, his punishment was given 3 months before anyone even knew he “destroyed the evidence”, youre just another ignoramus

  72. craven245 says:
    Dec 15, 2016 3:47 PM
    So PATs fans are saying the NFL wanted to knowingly punish the most popular QB for something they KNEW he didn’t do? Do they just HATE all the money he brings in every time he plays? If it was so clear cut he didn’t do anything, what was the benefit to the NFL brand/juggernaut in the suspension?!
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    Pats fans are saying the league did just that by failing to prove Brady cheated.

  73. The NFL was unconcerned about PSI readings for a good 50 years until it became an easy way for some folks to harm and hinder the Pats organization. Now that it is done with they no longer care about PSI (unless it effects the Pats).
    =====================

    Right. The only time in league history that the NFL was concerned about PSI was January 18, 2015. After that, they went right back to not caring about it.

  74. flaccojumpball says:
    Dec 15, 2016 2:51 PM
    Steelers and Patsies clearly cheated. Delete all records and stats from 2000-2017 with these two teams. Both QBs decided to vacate any potential hall of fame induction when they decided to cheat. At least the Ravens are a class organization unlike these two.

    ——

    Got it. I’m sure the powers that be will get right on that. You being of sound mind and all…

  75. If you have watched BSPN this week, you learned the NFL has instructed on air talking heads to skip this story.

    There is a bear trap in the woods and Goodell may step on it if deflategate II gets traction.

    Troy Vincent put a hold on Stephen A.

  76. Goodells own argument proves that in the absence of any tampering then the ideal gas law is the reason for under inflation. Goodell loses on this. He can argue it wasnt about deflating balls but a lack of cooperation, but if there was no crime there can be no non cooperation.

  77. flaccojumpball says:
    Dec 15, 2016 4:02 PM
    It’s sad really. Patsie fans are using this to justify Tom Shady’s blatant cheating. Steelers fans are quiet because they don’t want to admit that Little Ben has been caught doing something illegal yet again.

    yeah Nobody with a working brain thinks Ben cheated

    it is mind blowing that Goodell, Mara and a bunch of other NFL big wigs are from NY or the NE and dont know about the IGL. Mara owns a team and still doesnt seem to understand basic science.

    absolutely mind blowing to me.

  78. I guess Flaccojumpball must have forgot something about his well run team with all their outstanding players,but I will remind him,you may have forgot about the twin Rays,Lewis and Rice,but us folks that keep up with football sure haven’t.Maybe while the Steelers and Patriots clear their slates maybe the Ravens can do the same with having murderers and wife abusers on you team also.

  79. bitw44 says:
    Giants fan here.

    I dont care at all about this. Feel free to stop reporting on it.
    —————————-

    You’d certainly care if your QB had his name dragged through the mud for over a year, was now labeled a cheater by countless morons across the country, and you team lost a 1st and 4th round draft pick, plus the owner was fined a million dollars

    If it happened to YOUR team, you’d care alright

  80. flaccojumpball says:
    Dec 15, 2016 4:02 PM
    How come if the “ideal gas law” is a real thing with these balls that it’s only been the Steelers and Patsies caught breaking the rules?
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    Well according to the league you so implicitly trust the Steelers weren’t caught at anything and according to the league’s lawyers court testimony neither was Brady. Perhaps that and the value of human life is something you can genuflect over in front of the Ray Lewis statue.

  81. Whatever your view is it is apparent that Goodell and the league made many mistakes and instead of admitting errors or treating the Patriots and Brady fairly, they charged full speed ahead with no regard to the damage being done or without any thought as to get away with it. It seems to me the 2 overriding goals for the NFL leadership are:
    1) Punish the Patriots
    2) Cover their own behinds

    Ignoring the recent Giants vs Steelers episode as well as COVERING up the PSI numbers from last year “spot checks” to me is pathetic.

  82. I often wonder what the ages are of the people who root for that team that plays in the northeast. I have a pretty good idea, though.

  83. Meanwhile it’s announced today the Cowboys have made a formal complaint against the Giants in what will be known as walkiegate. The Giants use of walkies during last Sundays game. Coincidence that the Giants are accused of nefarious doings after blowing the whistle on the Steelers? I think not. I find it exciting that the group of owners who called for a makeup call are now starting to eat their own. Like no one saw that coming.

  84. The bottom line is Tom Brady got caught red handed cheating. Nothing that happens two years later can distract us from those facts. I feel badly for Tom, that he’s going to have to live with that label. I hope the HOF has sympathy. I’m a big Roger Clemens fan, but it doesn’t matter what happens after the fact. Clemens was caught cheating.
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    You seem to misunderstand what is going on here. This story is further proof that no cheating took place. Of course, any body slightly science literate knew that already. We do not need readings of game balls, because any school kid with a football and a gauge can prove what happens to footballs as the temperature changes. This should hopefully convince a few of the rest of you. Some will remain unconvinced no matter what.

  85. williamshatnerstoupee says:
    Dec 15, 2016 6:46 PM
    I often wonder what the ages are of the people who root for that team that plays in the northeast. I have a pretty good idea, though.
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    Apparently old enough to understand basic science. Just sayin.

  86. steelerfanjo says:
    Dec 15, 2016 2:25 PM
    Did the GIANTS realize Ben was throwing those balls to them? Ben stunk Sunday. Get a grip PFT… this is a non-story.
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    Non story? The league treating it like one is THE story. I am a Giants fan that thought the Patriots were guilty as sin when Mortensen’s 11 of 12 story broke. Not only was the report from a guy well known to be dialed into 345 Park Ave but I knew it had to be true because this league office moves at the speed of light in a vacuum to squelch anything adverse to it’s interests. Then the Well$ report came out and not only have I been in their corner ever since but like a lot of other fans I began really to look under the NFL rock on many other issues. What anyone that looks under that rock sees is enough to make them question everything that gang of thieves says or does, right down to the integrity of actual game results. Non story is what they manage to have all their shenanigans appear to be. Just to pick one other thing where is the outrage for an organization that tried to steal $110m from the shared funds pool? They brought the scrutiny on themselves with their all to obvious underhanded and duplicitous handling of the entire farce that was framegate and they wonder why ratings are down?

    Damn the gang that can’t shoot straight to Hades for what they have done to the game we love and damn the media for letting us be so ignorantly blissful while it was happening.

  87. jag1959 says:
    Dec 16, 2016 11:37 AM

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    Damn the gang that can’t shoot straight to Hades for what they have done to the game we love and damn the media for letting us be so ignorantly blissful while it was happening.
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    Props. Couldn’t have said it better.

  88. Really 2. A game played by men. Air in the ball not a qualifier by any means. I love the Vikings but the Vikings find ways to let me down. Tom Brady friggn rules. Aaron Rogers is awesome. Wilson pisses me off. Big Ben is great. Bradford is surviving and having perhaps his best pro year behind a horrible o line. Stafford has cemented his glory without Megatron. Tyrod Taylor ain’t too bad in spots and don’t get me started about Carr and what he has meant to the Raiders. Oh, and before I forget, Dak, Brees, and Wentz seem to be serviceable. Deflategate is a joke. Always was and always will be.

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