McAdoo says Giants are working with the NFL on WalkieTalkieGate

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Giants coach Ben McAdoo says the team is cooperating with the league’s investigation into whether they violated NFL rules with their use of walkie-talkies on Sunday against the Cowboys.

“Start off by talking about the walkie-talkie incident in the game,” McAdoo said during his Friday press conference, via ESPN. “We’ve touched base with the league, we’re working through it right now. I don’t have anything to add, but we are working with the league on the incident.”

Asked follow-ups about the issue, McAdoo answered, “That’s a great question, but I’m not talking about it.” He later said, “Listen, we’re working through the league, doing the best we can right now to help the investigation and we’ll move on when we can move on.”

During the game, the Giants’ coach-to-quarterback system malfunctioned, and quarterback Eli Manning couldn’t hear McAdoo calling plays. So McAdoo used a walkie-talkie to communicate to the speakers in Manning’s helmet. That’s against league rules, because the NFL has to ensure that no communication is being made to the quarterback once less than 15 seconds remain on the play clock. The Cowboys asked the NFL to investigate.

The league is reportedly planning to fine the Giants for the violation, although it remains to be seen whether this is dealt with quickly and quietly, or whether the league launches a full-blown investigation. McAdoo is undoubtedly hoping to get this over with as soon as possible.

115 responses to “McAdoo says Giants are working with the NFL on WalkieTalkieGate

  1. What happened to the Browns when their GM was texting plays? Seems similar in nature. Illegal communication.

    Then again, punishment in the NFL is arbitrary, and there are 32 standards… I mean owners.

  2. I’m still waiting for an explanation why sticking gauge needles into game balls during a game, something the NFL admits the Giants did, isn’t resulting in fines and losses of draft picks

  3. John Mara should be very influential with the league (no, he doesnt run it). Why do think you even have an NFL? Its like most people today dont know who Tim Mara was.

  4. If it was Belichick, the Patriots would be paying a huge fine and kissing another 1st round pick goodbye. The Giants will get a slap on the wrist,if anything.

  5. When the Giants say they’re working with the NFL on this, they mean that John Mara lifts the carpet up while Roger Goodell gets the broom out and starts sweeping.

  6. More proof a a Vendetta against Kraft & The Pats. That’s why you see certain teams and the NFL itself suffering from DeflateGate Karma. It’s only going to get worse for certain teams and individuals.

  7. Fortunately there are now enough media types and fans of other teams who have seen through the lies and now understand that Framegate was never about air pressure.

    Unfortunately for NE they arrive too late to make a difference.

    Fortunately for NY & Pittsburg, they will not suffer the full weight of the NFL’s Integrity Protection Squad.

    But hey, the CBA says Roger can do whatever he wants. Finally it starts to sink in.

  8. Browns fined for Textgate, GM suspended 4 games.

    A fine for the team seems appropriate. Not sure if McAdoo should be suspended or simply fined individually and if in the future he breaks another rule, then progressive discipline would get him.

  9. I thought the oddest aspect was they had this walkie talkie ready to roll within moments, and knew the frequency too, suggesting that they’ve done it before and maybe have often done it to break the 15 second cutoff – at least, if it was BB/Pats that’s what Mara and Goodell would be saying as they ban BB for life and 31 fanbases scream for the team to be permanently banned. And don’t forget the Giants were also needling balls when Goodell said that was the crime of the century too (no proof required).

  10. John Mara’s pedigree should give him no special treatment. If his team cheated, the book should be thrown at them like every other team.

  11. rollotomasi14 says:
    Dec 17, 2016 6:42 AM
    Can you imagine if it was Belichick
    ______________________________________

    Yes. Everyone can because he has been caught cheating. A lot more than we know I’m sure.

  12. “During the game, the Giants’ coach-to-quarterback system malfunctioned, ”

    Really? I thought that only happened in New England.

    Oh well, 4 game suspension for McAdoo and Eli.

  13. John Mara should be very influential with the league (no, he doesnt run it). Why do think you even have an NFL? Its like most people today dont know who Tim Mara was.
    ————————————————–

    John Mara has done nothing except be lucky enough to be born into the right family. He is not entitled to any special treatment.

    Tom Brady worked to become the greatest QB of all time and a great ambassador for the league. Despite that, he was suspended for 4 games because other teams pressured the league out of childish jelousy to come down on him over something that we now know was a natural occurrence.

    All throughout the deflategate comedy show I heard the hypocrite Goodell say the rules apply to everyone . John Mara was one of the main owners whispering that in Goodells ear.

    Karma is a bitch.

  14. If it was Belichick, Goodell would ban him from the NFL for life.

    BB wouldn’t spit on Goodell if he was on fire, there is true hatred between the two.

  15. I thought the NFL controlled the frequencies. How would a walkie-talkie even be able to communicate with the quarterback?

  16. Two clear violations of the rules, certainly as it pertains to “The integrity of the game”.

    A team cannot measure the pressure of footballs during the game, period. And the use of the walkie talkie is not permitted, period.

    Seeing how hard New England was hammered, certainly the Giants will be heavily fined and lose next year’s first round pick.

    After all, integrity, right?

  17. .
    The NFL has a judge (Goodell), a jury (Goodell), and executioner (Goodell). What’s needed is a prison colony where convicted felons, like Belichick and Brady, are removed from society to ensure our safety.
    .

  18. gwhite13 says:
    Dec 17, 2016 6:32 AM
    Working together to craft a plausible denial.

    Remember when lower than 12.5PSI was equal to PED usage, how the world turns.
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    You know it’s only a penalty if it’s cold in NE. Why haven’t the Giants been punished for tampering with the Steelers’ footballs? Why weren’t the Colts punished for their balls being deflated and for tampering with the NE football?

    Fire Goodell!

  19. 6ball says:
    Dec 17, 2016 8:08 AM

    .
    The NFL has a judge (Goodell), a jury (Goodell), and executioner (Goodell). What’s needed is a prison colony where convicted felons, like Belichick and Brady, are removed from society to ensure our safety.
    .
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    What they really need is a commissioner who isn’t a duplicitous liar. Someone that actually knows the meaning of the word integrity, and will actually use it to make the NFL better.

  20. Easy Rog. just dismiss deflated footballs issue without a second thought and now nicely work with the Giants on a mutually agreed upon soft penalty for walkie-talkie gate. Something that will save face for NFL and the Giants. Goodell is so arrogant and has so much power he doesn’t give a hoot.

  21. Idiots who repeatedly put the suffix “gate” on whatever the news story is of the day should be summarily executed.

  22. Giants: ” Roger we used Walkie talkie to communicate with QB during game.”
    Goodell: ” That’s a serious violation, Mr. Kraft. That is going to cost you big time!”
    Giants: Um, this isn’t Mr. Kraft, This is Mr. Mara.
    Goodell: No problem, we’ll bury it.

  23. rollotomasi14 says:
    Dec 17, 2016 6:42 AM
    Can you imagine if it was Belichick
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    The haters would completely blow up this board. That’s what I imagine.

  24. bostonisthebestandyouallsukk says:
    Dec 17, 2016 7:56 AM
    This is red meat for those of us up here in New England as there’s still a lot of jealousy and anger about the Giants ruining our undefeated season in 2008 and also the SB loss in 2012
    ________________

    Oh look!

    Another fake NE fan.

    Strange, kinda sad phenomenon these fake Boston fans. But they seem to be popping up all over PFT now.

    It’s quite flattering in a pitiful sort of way

  25. all league and network headquarters guyz are giant fans , the whole world knows that .
    move NFL HQ to Tuscaloosa .

  26. The integrity of the game is at stake here.
    Let’s see…the NFL mentioned integrity of the game when the NFL claimed that someone let air out of the Patriots footballs. The NFL then took a 1st round draft pick, a 4th round draft pick, and forced Tom Brady to miss 25% of the 2016 season.

    The NFL then took PSI measurements in games played outside during the 2015 season. The NFL then kept those measurements secret. Presumably because the measurements demonstrated that cold weather lowers the PSI in footballs without any air being removed. Remember scientists from no less than 21 universities stated that the weather explained the deflation.

    Intelligent people conducted experiments using footballs, pressure gauges and refrigerators. Those experiments proved that cold weather lowers the PSI in footballs without any air being removed.

    Video showing one of those experiments can be seen by searching on the popular online video site. Just search for: “Deflate Gate & Why Science Says the Patriots Did Not Tamper with Footballs”

    So the NFL took draft picks away from the Patriots and suspended Tom Brady for what the weather does naturally. Deflategate II, which also involved the Giants, also gives more evidence to show that the Patriots were cheated by the NFL.

    Now the Giants admit to violating NFL rules to gain a competitive advantage. Remember the authorized NFL helmet communication is are shut off when there are 15 seconds left on the play clock.

    The Giants unauthorized device would allow the coaches to talk to the QB past the 15 seconds and through the entire play. They would be able to point out down & distance, time left on the play clock, the defensive formation, personnel and location of key defenders.

    So it is clear that the punishment for actually violating NFL rules should be more severe than the punishments that another team received when that team was blamed for the weather does naturally. Integrity of the game and all that.

  27. Well apparently “The League” followed proper protocol, and that is the new excuse line from 345 Park Ave.

    Translation: Proper protocol means it doesn’t involve New England, so sweep it under the rug.

  28. First of all, headsets don’t malfunction. That can only happen through some sort of sabotage, and supposedly only when it’s in Foxboro.

    At least what we’ve all been told by any team visiting the Patriots.

  29. Numerous teams violated that 15 second rule last year as well, but since none of them were the Patriots the league deep sixed the report immediately. I have seen mafia syndicates with better transparency and PR skills.

  30. mmack66 says:
    Dec 17, 2016 7:59 AM
    I thought the NFL controlled the frequencies. How would a walkie-talkie even be able to communicate with the quarterback?
    ===================

    Bingo! The man has bingo. How did they happen to know the frequency? And if you can talk to your QB on one what’s to prevent listening to the opposing coach talk to his on another?

  31. Dear Roger,

    Please enlist the help of Mr. Wells again on this issue. You may need to remind Mr. Wells what you expect the outcome to be to ensure his independence does not contradict your expectations.

    As football fans we understand that the Patriots are the nemesis of the rest of the NFL and anything you can do to level the playing field would be greatly appreciated.

    Regards,

    Patriot Haters

  32. bostonisthebestandyouallsukk says:
    Dec 17, 2016 7:56 AM
    This is red meat for those of us up here in New England as there’s still a lot of jealousy and anger about the Giants ruining our undefeated season in 2008 and also the SB loss in 2012

    I’m a big new England fan and most of us are over it, especially after beating the Seahalks the way the Giants beat us. By two good teams playing a tight game and it coming down to a couple once in a lifetime plays. I’m more pissed at the Giants because they piled on after DEFLATE gate 1. Any moron who lives in cold weather and has a garage full of basketballs, footballs and soccer balls knows they DEFLATE between November and March. The Steelers proved it last week. I hope the Giants get draft picks taken away but I doubt it. Mara runs the league, not Goodell the ass.

  33. What’s the frequency Kenneth!

    Did Microsoft supply the walkie talkie?
    How did they know the frequency?
    Who knew the frequencies?
    Could they hear the cowboys calls?
    Did the device automatically cut off at 15sec.?
    Did Dallas sys. equally shut down to be fair?

    Any chance these questions get answered? Nah

  34. It’s amazing how this story has been buried so far. But it’s the Giants, so it will be a slap on the wrist. There won’t be comparable punishment to deflategate, or like the crazy salary cap penalties the Redskins and Cowboys got a few years back. Mara will get to pick his punishment, so don’t expect that it will affect the Giants on the field in any way. Probably just a fine of no more than Mara’s walking around money.

  35. micronin127 says:
    Dec 17, 2016 6:31 AM
    What happened to the Browns when their GM was texting plays? Seems similar in nature. Illegal communication….

    Good point. Ray Farmer was suspended four games over those texts. But that was the Browns, a team the league management does not bend over backwards to cover for. The Giants are likely to not get anything more than a minor fine, if that.

  36. Would you stop attaching “gate” to these issues? It just sounds stupid. Obviously it goes back to the Watergate scandal, and seeing as how “gate” was a part of the word, that was appropriate. Now the media adds “gate” all the time, as if it were synonymous with the word investigation and it’s not.

    Seriously: WalkieTalkieGate??? Idiotic

  37. Any other team in the NFL gets caught breaking the rules: they cooperate with the league, and it’s resolved quickly.

    Patriots get caught breaking the rules: they destroy evidence and stonewall the league investigators causing it to become a media circus, then the pats fans come running to defend their cheaters.

  38. Yea I am sure of it. Ritchie Rich, nerdy, pocket protector wearing, baby is banging his silver spoon on his high chair. I guess thats working on it.

  39. This isn’t a big deal. It’s hardly as big of one as the Patsies and Steelers deflating footballs for years. Steelers just got caught finally but we all know like the Patsies this isn’t the first time. Nail them on the wall for this one! The Giants haven’t really done anything wrong this year the kicker was someone they took his word on and it was a lie much like the Ravens did with Rice. Once things were made more clear to the Giants they did the right thing, much like Baltimore did with Ray. But with the Steelers and Patsies the cheating runs rampid and the ball deflation explains Bells season so far with the lack of fumbles and Shady coming back from his light suspension. Both teams cheated the game.

  40. “Working through it with the league,” and “doing the best we can to help the investigation” are the key points here.

    The Pats, on the other hand, appear to “cover-up” their misdeeds by destroying evidence, being uncooperative, acting cute (blaming science), and thinking they are above the rules that apply to everyone else. That’s a recipe that never works. When will the Pats learn?

  41. anonymousnevermindfishdeath says:
    Dec 17, 2016 7:48 AM

    One would assume Eli would be advanced enough to call his own plays.
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    He does call his own plays, those would be the ones when he throws the ball to the guy in the opponent’s uniform.

  42. Not even trying to defend the Giants but this is really all nothing and will come out as such. They spent some of the game at a tremendous competitive disadvantage. Running plays back and forth from the sideline like a high school team. I’m sure once they started using the walkie talkie everything was on the up and up. Coaches and players have done it the same for years. They aren’t going to get the walkie talkie and think they are getting away with something with less than 15 seconds left on the play clock when they know everyone is watching them. This is about NOTHING.

  43. schmokes says:
    Dec 17, 2016 9:33 AM

    Patriots get caught breaking the rules: they destroy evidence and stonewall the league investigators causing it to become a media circus, then the pats fans come running to defend their cheaters.

    ———————————————————-Except the weather deflated the footballs — so how is that “breaking the rules” ?

    Except the league investigator told the court that the Tom Brady fully cooperated — so how can you call that “stonewall the league investigators” ?

    Except a personal telephone that the league is never going to see is not evidence. Do you believe that it the NFL asked to search Tom Brady’s home they should have been allowed to? Or do you just believe that because a telephone is small that the same rights to privacy don’t apply?

    The NFL caused the media circus by leaking information to the media. Especially the false report claiming that 11 footballs were 2.0 PSI below 12.50 PSI. The NFL refused to correct that false story for over 6 months.

  44. schmokes says:
    Dec 17, 2016 9:33 AM

    then the pats fans come running to defend their cheaters.

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    It’s sad that someone is still clinging to the “cheaters” narrative” after all this:

    • Scientists from no less than 21 universities stated that the weather explained the deflation
    • Numerous videos are available online where you can watch the PSI drop on gauges when footballs are placed into refrigerators
    • You can watch the PSI numbers rise in those same videos after the footballs are removed from the refrigerators
    • The NFL refuses to release the PSI information from the 2015 season because it would show that footballs deflate naturally during cold weather games.
    • We now have an example from an NFL game played last week were footballs deflated due to cold weather.

  45. flaccojumpball says:
    Dec 17, 2016 9:41 AM

    Once things were made more clear to the Giants they did the right thing, much like Baltimore did with Ray.
    ———————————–

    Which one? The murderous, PED user that they built a statue of, or the he man woman beater they tried to cover for, then made the victim apologize for getting knocked out?

  46. By working with the NFL, you mean working with the NFL to concoct a story which spins the incident into a ‘misunderstanding’ and downplays it’s significance within the context of the rules. Of course, Roger will still have to exact justice in order to ‘protect the shield’ and avoid the appearance of league bias. He will slap the Giants with a $25,000 ‘equipment violation’ fine.

  47. If this was Belichick & the Pats, Lying Rodger would handle this issue in a fashion that would literally make it the biggest story in the history of the NFL.

    But it’s the Giants, so Lying Rodger will sweep it under the rug and threaten to pull the odious Monday night games off ESPN if they so much as reference the story on the air. Within a week no one will be talking about the story.

    If nothing else this season has laud bare, to anyone that is paying attention that Lying Rodger is an incompetent, meddling, duplicitous fraud who grants unfair advantages to some teams and unjust obstacles for others.

    And they wonder why no one watches the NFL anymore!

  48. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    Dec 17, 2016 10:28 AM

    The Pats, on the other hand, appear to “cover-up” their misdeeds by destroying evidence, being uncooperative, acting cute (blaming science),

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    Except the weather deflated the footballs — so there were no misdeeds.

    Except the league investigator told the judge that the Tom Brady cooperated.

    Except a personal telephone that the league is never going to see is not evidence. Do you believe that it the NFL asked to search Tom Brady’s home they should have been allowed to? Or do you just believe that because a telephone is small that the same rights to privacy don’t apply?

    Pointing out a scientific explanation for something is not “blaming science”. Anyone with internet access can watch science deflate footballs after searching for a video titled: “Deflate Gate & Why Science Says The Patriots Did Not Tamper With Footballs”

  49. flaccojumpball says:
    Dec 17, 2016 9:41 AM
    This isn’t a big deal. It’s hardly as…
    ================

    Is it a long commute from your planet?

  50. Are you kidding me? If you can communicate with the QB on a walkie talkie, fans will have a field day bringing them into the stadium or using them nearby to reek havoc with play calling.

  51. dtm1088 says:
    Dec 17, 2016 10:38 AM
    Not even trying to defend the Giants but this is really all nothing and will come out as such. They spent some of the game at a tremendous competitive disadvantage…
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    You do realize that a league that is fond of ‘protocols’ has one for this scenario right? If one team’s headsets aren’t working the officials instruct the other team they can’t use theirs. It was Niner’s legend Bill Walsh’s favorite piece of ‘gamesmanship’ to script a string of plays requiring no further communication then tell the officials their headsets were out forcing the D to go without for adjustments. It drove Parcells crazy

  52. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    Dec 17, 2016 10:28 AM
    “Working through it with the league,” and “doing the best we can to help the investigation” are the key points here.

    The Pats, on the other hand, appear to “cover-up” their misdeeds by destroying evidence, being uncooperative, acting cute (blaming science), and thinking they are above the rules that apply to everyone else. That’s a recipe that never works. When will the Pats learn?

    The league created this narrative… And you are a clown.

  53. The Giants stuck a needle in 2 footballs against the Steelers and used a walkie-talkie against the Cowboys.

    The Colts stuck a needle in a football and also had deflated footballs.

    The Steelers allegedly used deflated footballs reported by the Giants.

    See that haters? Explain to yourselves why Goodell do not hold them to the same standards as the Patriots.

    Spygate? Other teams did/ do the same thing ALSO. It is not about stealing signals that the Patriots were punished but for taping in the wrong place.

    The NFL has been cheating and stealing from the Patriots to level the playing field.

  54. 6ball says:
    Dec 17, 2016 8:08 AM
    .
    The NFL has a judge (Goodell), a jury (Goodell), and executioner (Goodell). What’s needed is a prison colony where convicted felons, like Belichick and Brady, are removed from society to ensure our safety.
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    Someone needs deflated balls in their mouth

  55. When I saw McAdoo on the sideline with a walkietalkie I had 2 thoughts:

    1. You can’t use something like that unless the other team also gets to use it

    2. How could McAdoo, Eli and all other Giant staff not know this was a violation

    3. Why would an NFL team have a walkie talkie on the sideline?

    4. What would prevent McAdoo from talking to Eli after the 15 second cutoff?

    If it was Belichick this would lead the national news. If it’s the Giants, and is there second rule violation in 2 weeks, it’s a non-isuse.

  56. Kids, the sideshow is the show.
    Roger Goodell = Vince McMahon
    The games cannot hold our attention all week so Roger/Vince and his stooges must create the soap operas for us “fans” to follow.

  57. John Mara is Commissioner Goodell’s biggest supporter among the owners. By definition, nothing will happen.
    Slap on the wrist to the Giants coach. Please don’t do it again (and more important, don’t get caught doing it again).
    If this was the Patriots, it would be lifetime suspension.

  58. If the league is to maintain even a tattered shred of the integrity it once had, the commissioner has no choice but to throw the book at the Giants. Not because this offense is particularly egregious (although it is technically still cheating), but because he has thrown the book at the Patriots for offenses that were either similarly non-egregious or completely unproven.

    ……and don’t even try to act like this has anything to do with cooperation. The Pats in 2007 (and Saints in 2012 after their initial denials) cooperated fully with the NFL in and were still taken out behind the woodshed.

    In Rogers world, the degree of punishment is based on who the owner is, and which of the other 31 owners want his head on a spike.

  59. Any time you have a story about a team violating a rule you can guarantee the comment section will be flooded with Pats fans trying to make comparisons and saying the team in question will get away with it because they’re not the Patriots. Did y’all forget about Goodell burning all the evidence from spygate? How does anybody know if the punishment fit the crime if not all the details of the crime were released? Give it up already. The Pats may have gotten away with more than any of us realize.

    And by the way neither the Cowboys nor their fans are claiming walkie talkies had anything to do with the loss and the NFL was already going to investigate before Dallas said anything

  60. Questioning if Belichick were involved in this situation the Patriots would thoroughly investigated, of course they would…they’re known cheaters.

  61. cboys4life2014 says:
    Dec 17, 2016 1:40 PM
    ……
    And by the way neither the Cowboys nor their fans are claiming walkie talkies had anything to do with the loss and the NFL was already going to investigate before Dallas said anything

    Let us say the Cowboys did not lose that game because the Giants were cheating. Still, how many games have the Giants won with assistance from walkie talkie cheating? Was this the only game where the Giants have cheated with Walkie Talkies, or have they been doing it every game for years so they can keep communicating with Eli Manning even during that 15 second window when all communications are supposed to be cut off?

    Answering these questions will probably require at least a $20 million independent investigation, a confiscation of every cell phone owned by a Giants employee, even if it is their personal cell phone, and a publishing of all those text messages, as well as a review and publishing of all of the Giants employees email messages.

  62. Can we as a culture just stop calling everything “gate”? There was one gate. It was called Watergate. Everything else should be just called what it is. In this case, “Walkie Talkie Stupidity”. Writers really need to get more creative. I decry the lack of originality in the media these days.

    I mean come on man. NFL will let head to heads go, but mess with celebrations and actually regulate the notion of someone using a walkie instead of a headset? Especially when the headset is defective. So you have a non-illegal communication occurring over a Samsung 7 instead of an iPhone and that takes up someone’s time to investigate?

    Get over yourselves NFL or your reign as the top sport will be short.

  63. gauchosporlife says:
    Dec 17, 2016 2:12 PM

    the Patriots would thoroughly investigated, of course they would…they’re known cheaters.

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    It’s still unknown to those intelligent enough to understand 7th grade science.

  64. reddzen says:
    Dec 17, 2016 3:07 PM

    I mean come on man. NFL will let head to heads go, but mess with celebrations and actually regulate the notion of someone using a walkie instead of a headset? Especially when the headset is defective. So you have a non-illegal communication occurring over a Samsung 7 instead of an iPhone and that takes up someone’s time to investigate?
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    The point is the only authorized communications system during games is the one provided by the NFL. Walkie Talkies defeat the NFL’s control of in-game communications, which they cut off with 15 seconds left on the play clock. NFL cuts off the transmitters at 15 seconds, they don’t jam the frequencies, so walkie talkies will still work and that’s against the rules, it gives the Giants an unfair competitive advantage.

  65. everyone says the Patriots cheat..when I mean everyone I mean new York media. Much of the cheating by teams is to go right up to the line of the rules without going over..interpreting it thier way. this is just plain out cheating. a novice like me knows that you can’t use your own equipment to communicate. The country found that out when Tomlin cried about the headsets a year ago. I wonder if the new York media..I do j ot say journalist…are going to keep this alive. I doubt it. If ESPN does not deem it ratings worthy..then it will die on the vine.

    coming from a Jags fan..yes insert joke here…I can now see why all the Patriots fans cry when others are caught.

  66. I really do wish everyone would stop adding -gate to the end of anything mildly scandalous. Honestly, most people don’t even know why it was ever done to begin with and those of us who do, recognize how truly stupid and inaccurate of a comparison it is.

  67. Let’s be real here as much as the Dallas pass rush was getting to Eli off the edge I doubt McAdoo or any other Giants coach was letting him know about things he wasn’t able to see. I understand the investigation because a walkie talkie isn’t an NFL approved source of communication because of the 15 second rule but to say the Giants had an unfair advantage is a little ridiculous. I’m a Cowboy fan and can honestly say I don’t feel it played a role in the outcome

  68. And judging by the amount of up votes on pro Patriots comments and down votes on common sense comments I can tell Patriots fans have overtaken this thread and are more worried about this than Cowboy fans are

  69. cboys4life2014 says:
    Dec 17, 2016 4:04 PM
    I understand the investigation because a walkie talkie isn’t an NFL approved source of communication because of the 15 second rule but to say the Giants had an unfair advantage is a little ridiculous.
    ==================

    For anyone giving it any serious thought it’s not the 15 second rule or any advantage that’s the issue. It’s the obvious and inherent bias that allowed it in the first place as well as the league ignoring it’s own rules when it suits them. The league loves it’s protocols right up until the moment some teams violate them. When headset communication goes out the rule is the other team stops using theirs until it is restored. That’s the rule. Beyond that there’s the troublesome fact that the Giants had the facility to use a walkie at all. The league controls the communication equipment. How is it the Giants were able to readily access a walkie on the correct frequency?
    No one who watched that game could believe there was was any advantage gained but it’s impossible to ignore the capability to use the walkies shouldn’t even have existed never mind allowed

  70. cboys4life2014 says:
    Dec 17, 2016 4:04 PM

    Let’s be real here as much as the Dallas pass rush was getting to Eli off the edge I doubt McAdoo or any other Giants coach was letting him know about things he wasn’t able to see. I understand the investigation because a walkie talkie isn’t an NFL approved source of communication because of the 15 second rule but to say the Giants had an unfair advantage is a little ridiculous. I’m a Cowboy fan and can honestly say I don’t feel it played a role in the outcome
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    Not saying it changed the outcome, didn’t watch the game as I don’t care who won. To the NFL, anything one team has that their opponent doesn’t is considered an unfair competitive advantage. Too many teams have complained about the comms systems malfunctioning during games the past few years for the NFL to cavalierly say “no harm, no foul.” So, yes, they need to investigate, and no, they can’t get away with saying it wasn’t a rules violation. Somebody better get a heavier punishment than a small fine.

  71. maust1013 says:
    Dec 17, 2016 4:28 PM

    How is it the Giants were able to readily access a walkie on the correct frequency?

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    Where was it said that it was “on the correct frequency”?

    Sounds more like it was a rogue communication device that was completely independent of the authorized NFL helmet device.

    Which if that’s the case, then they could have been using both devices in other games. Having 2 communication devices would allow the coach to talk to the QB as well as the coordinators up in the observation booth. That would allow the coordinator to provide information after the 15 minute lock out of the authorized device.

  72. Nobody on the Giant’s staff ever checked to see if this walkie talkie back up system, which if we believe them, is kept turned off in a box on the sidelines, just in case it needs to be turned on and used if the main system breaks down, was legal within the rules?

    An entire coaching staff and front office had no idea if the main radio system malfunctioned, the moment they took these walkie talkies out of the box and turned them on, they would be in violation of the league rules? Is this just abject incompetence at their jobs?

    Leave aside the fact for the moment that they would have to test these walkie talkies beforehand to make sure they were on the correct frequency to be picked up by the helmet’s radio receiver.

    NOBODY on the Giant’s staff ever thinks for a second, “Gee, maybe we should check to see if it’s legal for us to use this as our back up system?”

    And once they take these walkie talkies out of the box and start using them, they don’t notify the NFL’s comms employee at the stadium that’s manning the ‘dead switch’ that cuts off the radios at 15 seconds?

    This whole thing stinks.

  73. As I said before, I didn’t watch this game. Did anyone notice whether or not the Giants used the walkie talkies when their defense was on the field? Or was it only during the offense? That would be interesting to know, wouldn’t it?

  74. By now most people should know how the NFL will handle this. The NFL doesn’t have much credibility left. The drop in tv ratings speaks for itself.

  75. cboys4life2014 says:
    Dec 17, 2016 1:40 PM
    Did y’all forget about Goodell burning all the evidence from spygate? How does anybody know if the punishment fit the crime if not all the details of the crime were released?
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    Yeah, it’s not like every sports show in the country was playing clips of the tapes for a week straight or anything.

    wow

  76. RogerWWEgoodell so you believe all the evidence was all out there? Then why burn anything if ALL OF IT was released to the media? I can agree 100% that it seems some teams may not be punished how the Patriots have been and have said that on here but it begs to question why aren’t they? And how many teams have had evidence burned? You’re a typical Pats fan that hears and sees what you wanna hear and see and anything that doesn’t fit in the box you choose to live in is unfair or a conspiracy against your team. I’m over the Patriot fanbase especially for forcing me (a Cowboys fan) to stick up for the Giants

  77. micronin127 says:
    Dec 17, 2016 7:28 AM
    Browns fined for Textgate, GM suspended 4 games.

    A fine for the team seems appropriate. Not sure if McAdoo should be suspended or simply fined individually and if in the future he breaks another rule, then progressive discipline would get him.
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    On the surface that makes sense until you consider the walkie talkies weren’t regulated by the NFL. Meaning Manning could have been taking in game communications before\during\after the plays. IMO, that’s more egregious than Spygate.

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