Walkie-talkie scandal further undermines #DeflateGate outcome

The Giants unwittingly, and ironically, have done plenty in the past two Sundays to exonerate the Patriots for #DeflateGate. Yes, Giants co-owner John Mara is believed to have lobbied (along with others) for unreasonably stiff punishment of the Patriots. And, yes, the conduct of the team Mara owns in consecutive games has helped the punishment seem even more unreasonable than it was.

As to #DeflateGate II, the Giants forced the NFL into a clumsy, awkward spot by complaining about Pittsburgh footballs under circumstances that could have been easily explained by natural deflation on a cold day. The NFL couldn’t say that without indirectly clearing the Patriots, so the NFL initially circled the wagons — and then eventually veered off script with a comment that later had to be described as the product of a misstatement.

As to the walkie-talkie scandal, the looming decision to give the Giants a relative slap on the wrist for a blatant and brazen violation of a known rule shows how bizarre it was to hammer the Patriots for a rule that was, essentially, the exact opposite.

Regarding the Giants, coach Ben McAdoo broke a rule that is clear and known and obvious. Every year, all 32 teams are reminded of it. There is no ambiguity or confusion or lack of clarity. The walkie-talkie is present on the sideline, it can be used only by the backup quarterback, it can be used only for listening not speaking, and the coach can never, ever touch it.

Badly breaking this bright-line rule clearly undermines the integrity of the game; if not, all 32 teams wouldn’t get a reminder of the rule every single year. The violation gives the coach a chance to talk to the quarterback under circumstances that would permit the communications to occur beyond the cutoff when the play clock hits 15 seconds.

As to #DeflateGate, there was nothing clear or known or obvious. The rule book contains a permitted range of inflation (12.5 PSI to 13.5 PSI) because it always has. It’s been in the rule book for so long that no one really knows where it came from or how it got there.

Before January 2015, the NFL never paid any attention to the question of whether teams intentionally or accidentally were using footballs that deviated from the acceptable range. Former NFL official and supervisor of officials Jim Daopoulos explained in the early days of #DeflateGate on PFT Live that football inflation had never before been an issue or a consideration. The use during the AFC championship game of two gauges that varied by 0.4 PSI underscored the fact that football air pressure was regarded as anything but a laboratory science.

Speaking of science, the fact that the NFL didn’t know that air pressure drops in footballs on cold days further highlights the reality that the entire subject resided in one of the league’s various blind spots, with no specific procedures or warnings or memoranda or anything else aimed at sealing off an avenue for chicanery and clearly and plainly explaining to teams what is and isn’t permitted on a regular basis.

Coupled with the fact that the evidence of tampering with the footballs was inconclusive at best, the decision to hammer the Patriots while not hammering the Giants becomes even more glaring and more obviously the result not of a genuine desire to protect and promote the integrity of the league but to find a way to justify punishing a team that has consistently excelled, that is repeatedly suspected of cheating (because how else can other coaches explain to their owners the dominance of the Patriots?), and that has a coach who lacks the people skills to make others inclined to give him a break or the benefit of the doubt.

82 responses to “Walkie-talkie scandal further undermines #DeflateGate outcome

  1. Yes, thanks to the Giants the Patriots have 2 more Superbowl losses and 2 more examples of how unfair the league is.

  2. Before all the ‘it’s no big deal’ apologists get in there’s a glaring issue here that hasn’t been addressed. Why did the ref allow it? It’s not just the coaches, there’s also a rule for the officials to follow when communications go out as well.

  3. Not to mention the Josh Brown BS earlier in the season. Mara was one of the people gunning for Kraft. Message to you Robert K Kraft – These guys are your not your pals or your partners. They treat you like garbage. Nothing will happen to the Giants. It’s Mara.

  4. The Pats cheated, again. If the cold affected the balls, the Colts balls would’ve been equally flat. Brady has small girly hands and a weak arm, he needs all the help he can get. Hell, Matt Cassell went 11-5 with full balls for the Pats, and Jimmy G has the best winning percentage in Patriots history, and he’s a Div. 2 QB!!!!

  5. Get you’re megaphone out and shout it from the roof tops Florio. There’s clearly a different set of rules for the Patriots and everybody else. BB does this and he’s banned for life. I’m pretty sure most fans know the communication rules, never mind the coaches, so there’s no reason the dictator known as Roger Goodell shouldn’t drop the ginger hammer on McAdoo and the Giants. Except for the fact that he’a in bed with the Mara’s. This is one of the reasons viewership and overall interest of the NFL is waning.

    Fire Goodell.

    The north remembers.

  6. During the first interview TB looked dumbfounded because he truly thought something happened to the balls just like the rest of us did.

    But then BB schooled the NFL and the rest of us on the ideal gas law. Don’t forget our defense of coordinator is a rocket scientist. Look it up.

    TB 12’s name was unjustly dragged through the mud. People came out of the woodwork to admonish him.
    Then as objective scientists spoke up more reasonable people came around.

    The “evidence”is somebody relieved himself. TB destroyed his phone after the NFL said they were done with it. So did Favre but that wasn’t a big deal.

    TB remained silent and even that was viewed as guilt.

    He does his talking on the field.

    Now we are all seeing his wrath.

  7. I’m still waiting for an explanation of why the giants tampering with an opponents footballs by sticking guage needles in them during the game isn’t resulting in fines, suspensions and loss of draft picks? Does someone have an answer?

  8. PFT is the only media outlet with a clear understanding of the hypocrisy and corruption in the NATIONAL FEDERATION OF LIARS (NFL)

  9. gioreeko, you need to do some reading.

    They tested four Colts balls, three of which were under inflated… and for some reason, they decided it wasn’t worth testing the remainder of the balls? That doesn’t seem odd to you?

    If the text messages are deemed “golden evidence” with the reference to the “deflator,” then why are ignoring their comments about the refs pumping the balls up to 16 PSI against the Jets? 16 PSI puts the Pats at a significantly greater disadvantage than what they supposedly would’ve gained by being under… that equates to NFL officials fixing games.

  10. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…..I love the game of football, but utterly despise the NFL. I will continue to watch and support my team and my team only. I will never spend another dime on the NFL until they get their house in order.

  11. It gets even better for us Pats fans and worse for the haters.
    1. The Pats did not video tape the Rams walk through
    2. The video tape was never for in game use unlike
    the Giants walki-talki gate
    3. the league destroyed the tapes so that is on the league not the Pats.
    4. A multi billion dollar league should know it is chain of custody not chain of command .To have a chain of custody written procedures must be followed to the letter .The Pats were faulted for not following a procedure where none existed.
    5.Since before and after deflategate it was against rules to call out another team even if cause existed.
    How come the Colt’s and Giants tested intercepted balls without asking permission from Park Ave.

  12. Some teams are treated worse than others. It’s politics and Goodell is on the side of some owners more so than others. I think the owners understand this which is why they usually move on and dont fight it. There is nothing they can do.

  13. dgcaz says:
    Dec 18, 2016 2:05 PM
    gioreeko, you need to do some reading.

    They tested four Colts balls, three of which were under inflated… and for some reason, they decided it wasn’t worth testing the remainder of the balls? That doesn’t seem odd to you?

    If the text messages are deemed “golden evidence” with the reference to the “deflator,” then why are ignoring their comments about the refs pumping the balls up to 16 PSI against the Jets? 16 PSI puts the Pats at a significantly greater disadvantage than what they supposedly would’ve gained by being under… that equates to NFL officials fixing games.

    ——————————-

    Or how about the fact that the only reference to the ‘deflator’ came in a text message from May? How many footballs do you think are being inflated (or deflated) in the month of May?

  14. gioreeko says:
    Dec 18, 2016 1:51 PM
    If the cold affected the balls, the Colts balls would’ve been equally flat.
    ===============

    This far into this mess there is no excuse for being this ill informed and even less for proclaiming it.

  15. Don’t forget that both Goodell and his Dad worked for the Jets and have hated the Patriots for a long time.

  16. “more probable than not” that Eli knew HIS GI Joe walkie talkie was attached to the string .
    I have no choice but to bring his big brother back from his pizza job to whack him with a wooden spoon.

    -Ted-

  17. Spygate was a minor infraction to a brand new rule but the justification for the over the top penalty is that the NFL sent a memo for it before the season.

    So a rule that has been on the books for a while that gets a memo sent about it *every* year gets a slap on the wrist… because… ummm. why now?

  18. gioreeko says:
    Dec 18, 2016 1:51 PM
    The Pats cheated, again. If the cold affected the balls, the Colts balls would’ve been equally flat. Brady has small girly hands and a weak arm, he needs all the help he can get. Hell, Matt Cassell went 11-5 with full balls for the Pats, and Jimmy G has the best winning percentage in Patriots history, and he’s a Div. 2 QB!!!!

    ————————————————

    Girly hands and a weak arm? Did you miss the 2nd half of that game when he beat the Colts senseless with their own balls? Balls that were supposedly inflated to proper levels by the crack team of NFL on-field officials and their crappy, 13 dollar Olympia sport gauges?

  19. It would seem Spygate is a more apt comparison. A memo was sent out to all teams to NOT video tape from the sideline. This was pre-cloud computing. The info was stored on the device and had to be broken down. It was of no value during the game.

    The Giants also violated a rule that a memo was sent out to all teams. It clearly helped them during the game.

    The Patriots brazenly violated a rule. So, did the Giants. By that logic, the standard should be at least a million dollar fine and a first round pick like the Patriots got.

  20. Doesn’t surprise me at all. They could’ve been on the same frequency the Cowboys were on and listening in, but I guess that’s not a big deal.

    Mara got some nekkid pics of Roger lying around somewhere.

  21. The league obviously tasked the refs to help the Giants make the playoffs today… On a pass play, the ball is obviously laying on the ground – but the refs call it a complete pass. Big city, East coast bias in full display. The NFL is rigged.

  22. I will accept nothing less than Goodell’s resignation, a public apology to Tom Brady and full restoration of Patriots Draft picks. Only this can help to bring some measure of integrity back to the game.

  23. Florio can pretend to be a federal judge all he wants. A real federal judge upheld, in no uncertain terms, that the penalties enforced on Brady and the Patriots organization, by the league, were correctly applied by the league. End of story, except for the continual bawling by the usual Pats fanboy chorus. No one cares about them, anyway.

  24. Oh, I also forgot the million dollars that was purloined from Mr. Robert Kraft. This money should be donated to a charity of Gisele Bundchen’s choice. There should also be penalty for NFL executives — they should be made to wear UGGs for a year as a show of atonement for their malevolent actions.

  25. Maybe I got this wrong but in Deflategate 2.0 wasn’t one of the things the NFL said to avoid taking action that the Steelers had not protested the under inflated balls so thus there was no complainant? But now no one is protesting the Giants actions but they (the NFL) are still taking action?

  26. It’s not rocket science to make a walkie talkie be able to receive but not transmit. If it’s only for the backup QB to listen to the play calls why didn’t the NFL modify the walkie talkies years ago so they wouldn’t be able to transmit?

  27. gioreeko says:
    Dec 18, 2016 1:51 PM
    The Pats cheated, again. If the cold affected the balls, the Colts balls would’ve been equally flat. Brady has small girly hands and a weak arm, he needs all the help he can get. Hell, Matt Cassell went 11-5 with full balls for the Pats, and Jimmy G has the best winning percentage in Patriots history, and he’s a Div. 2 QB!!!!
    _________________________
    And here he is! The only person on Earth who doesn’t know that the Colts’ balls were deflated too!

    Fire Goodell! Release the psi readings from last year!

    What was the psi from the Phins/Jets game?

  28. Florio can pretend to be a federal judge all he wants. A real federal judge upheld, in no uncertain terms, that the penalties enforced on Brady and the Patriots organization, by the league, were correctly applied by the league. End of story, except for the continual bawling by the usual Pats fanboy chorus.

    No one cares about them, anyway.

    —————————————–

    It’s awesome when someone takes time out of their day to write a comment about something that they say nobody cares about. If so then why bother commenting?

    In terms of the actual federal judge, they ruled the league had the right to do what they did, they didn’t rule anything about guilty or not.

    I’m guessing you know that and are just being intellectually dishonest because you hate the pats.

  29. Tee hee 🙂 Laughable that Patriot Hater thinks their puny little weaklings they call a team measures up to OUR level. 🙂

    LAUGHABLE.

    🙂

    #BowToUS
    #BowToTomBrady
    #BowToTheWinningestQBInHistory
    #BowToTheGOAT

  30. Pretty much perfectly said. The NFL is a sham. Kraft mever should have accepted that penalty or trusted goodell would do the right thing with Brady. As a pats fan I wanted Kraft to go full Al Davis on their ass and accept nothing. I’d send goodell a million pennies to his driveway if I did pay his insane fine for a $25k equipment violation that never happened.

    Give us our first and 4th picks back!

  31. Patriots got off easy, twice.

    Rooney, Mara and Kraft run this league

    And Aldon Smith still sits and waits.

    Traveshamockery.

    Carry on.

    Go Raiders

  32. jstamper3377 says:

    I’m guessing you know that and are just being intellectually dishonest because you hate the pats.
    ——————————————————–

    That was a reach (with alligator arms). That’s probably how you play football, too.

  33. dansardo says:
    Dec 18, 2016 2:03 PM
    I’m still waiting for an explanation of why the giants tampering with an opponents footballs by sticking guage needles in them during the game isn’t resulting in fines, suspensions and loss of draft picks? Does someone have an answer?
    —————————————–
    Great article, Florio…. Dansardo, I’m waiting for the same thing…several infractions in that game which are not being addressed. Additionally, seems to be one set of rules for the GOAT, and another set for the Mannings…both of them. As usual.

  34. @bostonceltics: The league torched the SpyGaye evidence so the true scope of cheating would not be revealed.

    The patriots were so blatant in their cheating that the league had to bury it to avoid a PR nightmare.

    You patriot fans are ridiculous.

    The whole lot of you.

    GO RAIDERS

  35. Goodell’s unjust punishment of some teams and unabashed favoritism of others is killing the NFL.

    Goodell’s handling of the issues involving the Giants this year has made it obvious to anyone paying attention that the NFL is a sham.

    And they wonder why no one watches the NFL anymore!

  36. mullman76 says:
    Dec 18, 2016 2:48 PM

    Worst fans in all of sports.
    =================

    Only a Faiders fan could belong to fan base that dresses up like a 12 year old’s idea of a road warrior then tell their betters to carry on. Speaking of carrying on, how’s that Oakland stadium project coming along? Used your crayons to write your mayor yet?

    15 years later and that bro is still mad, smh

  37. What about the fact that they had the frequency figured out for the NFL sets? Doesn’t that mean they could click over to the opponent’s frequency, too?? Seems worth of a full scale investigation, if you ask me (or any Patriots fan.)

    Either that, or give us back our draft picks you pile of dookie, Goodell.

  38. mullman76 says:
    Dec 18, 2016 2:47 PM
    Patriots got off easy, twice.

    Rooney, Mara and Kraft run this league

    And Aldon Smith still sits and waits.

    Traveshamockery.

    Carry on.

    Go Raider—————-
    ———————————————————————
    Shouldn’t you be packing for Vegas?

  39. “The Pats cheated, again. If the cold affected the balls, the Colts balls would’ve been equally flat. Brady has small girly hands and a weak arm, he needs all the help he can get. ”

    And there’s the insanity of the Pats haters. The Colts balls were also below 12.5 psi, 3 of the 4 measured. At which point the league panicked that the Colts also looked bad and stopped measuring their balls because they “ran out of time to do so” as if the owners wouldn’t be ecstatic for any reason to run an extra million dollars or 2 of commercials.

    And the claim that Brady has small hands and a weak arm are laughable. Guess you missed the perfect dart that went at least 50 yards in the air to Hogan last week. Or any of the many other 30-50 yards in the air passes he’s completed this year.

    All you people have left to hang your hats on is blatant lies. its pathetic

  40. mullman76 says:
    Dec 18, 2016 2:53 PM

    @bostonceltics: The league torched the SpyGaye evidence so the true scope of cheating would not be revealed.

    The patriots were so blatant in their cheating that the league had to bury it to avoid a PR nightmare.

    You patriot fans are ridiculous.

    The whole lot of you.

    GO RAIDERS
    ————————————————-
    The NFL torched the Spygate evidence so peabrains like you wouldn’t realize how widespread throughout the league that practice was. They didn’t want people to see the cameras on other teams’ sidelines and coaches waving to the cameras. But I don’t expect a Raiders fan to acknowledge the truth of that as their team was also filming from the sideline. There is none so blind as he who will not see.

  41. “The league torched the SpyGaye evidence so the true scope of cheating would not be revealed.”

    The tapes were played behind Goodell during a press conference and Glazer also still has copies. If there were a smoking gun it would have been turned into Belichick being banned for life.

    The tapes were destroyed because they showed other teams filming the Pats back.

  42. Sports journalists: take a swipe at Goodell by voting Brady for MVP. He deserves it anyway.

    Hopefully the Pats will win their fifth to really make this excellent year for New England sting on Park Avenue. What I would give to see Goodell on that podium, praising Brady, getting boos rained down on him by the Pats faithful.

  43. gioreeko says:
    Dec 18, 2016 1:51 PM
    The Pats cheated, again. If the cold affected the balls, the Colts balls would’ve been equally flat. Brady has small girly hands and a weak arm, he needs all the help he can get. Hell, Matt Cassell went 11-5 with full balls for the Pats, and Jimmy G has the best winning percentage in Patriots history, and he’s a Div. 2 QB!!!!

    =========================================

    We are all dumber for having read your post. Thanks. Clearly the school system failed you. 6th grade physics has defeated you so soundly, you no longer matter.

  44. I wonder if Goofdell sold his property in Maine yet, or is he gonna have to whine to the cops again and claim he’s afraid of vandalism?

  45. been saying it for years..one set of rules for 31 teams and special set, designed to cheat the patriots, in order to satisfy ego, power and profit of those 31 other teams while trying to strengthen parity.

    the government needs to get involved because this is consumer fraud and the nfl customer has been sold a false bill of goods.

    the pats have never actually cheated.

    i have said it for a decade..the ones doing the cheating are some owners with goodell enabling it so he can collect his 40 mil per.

    in fact, i will go one further..tagliabue was not pushed out the door to age, he was pushed out the door because he would not sell out to cheat the pats and whoever else
    might form a dynasty

    this goes back to the 2006 title game
    when ellis hobbs was called on reggie wayne for “faceguarding”, setting gomer and his peds up at the 1 yard line.

    there is no such thing as “faceguarding” in the nfl..only in ncaa football

    arrest, try and comvict roger goodell
    and those involved

    brady must sur
    for defamation and to open this thing up in a federal court

  46. hingamajig says:
    Dec 18, 2016 2:38 PM
    It’s not rocket science to make a walkie talkie be able to receive but not transmit.
    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

    They are called hand held scanners if radio shack still exists .

  47. This isn’t as big of a deal as the Steelers and the Cheats undermining the rules of the NFL. That’s why the Giants won’t get much of a penalty. Neither team can hold a candle to the Ravens anyways

  48. it is not 31-1, Godell has listened to Mara and Rooney to treat the following teams unequal:

    Saints
    Dolphins
    Chiefs
    Redskins
    Cowboys
    Patriots

    going easy on the Giants, Steelers and Jets

    Nothing new

  49. And yet it’s perfectly acceptable for the Patri*ts to continually interfere with opponents communications during games at critical moments and use the excuse that the NFL is in charge of it.

    Give me a break !!!

    I still believe if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and craps like a duck then it’s a duck.

    It simply happens in the Patri*ts favor way too often to be a coincidence.

  50. It’s clear to me that the league (read: majority of other NFL owners and their stooge, Goodell) were looking for any excuse to hammer NE.

    I don’t feel any of these violations (disclosure, I am a NYG fan) warrant anything more than a fine – and for NE that should have been for chain-of-custody (the equipment guy taking the balls – not the deflation which can be explained by science).

    Ultimately it comes down to the other teams have no faith that NE plays on an even field (unfounded though it may be), so when something happens under Belichick’s watch that they can’t figure out – they assume shenanigans (because he’s an evil genius and looks the part).

    I see McAdoo breaking a rule, and I can only assume he’s an idiot (and looks the part).

  51. If the “weather” was the only thing affecting the footballs, Brady’s iPhone and multiple Patriots staff members wouldn’t have been iced…

    The FACTS in the case indicate that the Patriots tried to cheat and tried to cover it up. No matter how little impact it had on the game is irrelevant.

    Goodell’s punishment was EXTREMELY harsh for not technically violating any rule. I can agree with that.

    But, insisting that the Patriots didn’t do anything wrong is just ignorant.

  52. Ski-did you read the Wells report or just the headlines??? Your ‘facts’ are not facts at all.

    The NFL went into this with a predetermined outcome. Then they tried to back into their ‘findings’. And they leaked headlines (“Brady destroys cellphone”) in an effort to further their agenda. He was TOLD that they were all set with his phone! Read the report!

    The thing is, the NFL relied on people like you to just read the headlines and jump to conclusions.

    Read the report. The NFL people were like the three stooges trying to pull this thing together.

    Oh-and ‘icing the staff’? That was after the NFL interviewed them 5 times. They have full time jobs and Mr Kraft finally said enough.

  53. mullman76 says:
    Dec 18, 2016 2:53 PM

    @bostonceltics: The league torched the SpyGaye evidence so the true scope of cheating would not be revealed.

    The patriots were so blatant in their cheating that the league had to bury it to avoid a PR nightmare.

    You patriot fans are ridiculous.

    The whole lot of you.

    GO RAIDERS

    ————————————
    It wasn’t a fumble…

  54. denverdude7 says:
    Dec 18, 2016 5:43 PM

    And yet it’s perfectly acceptable for the Patri*ts to continually interfere with opponents communications during games at critical moments and use the excuse that the NFL is in charge of it.
    Give me a break !!!

    I still believe if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and craps like a duck then it’s a duck.
    It simply happens in the Patri*ts favor way too often to be a coincidence.

    —————————————————————-
    Except the fact that there is zero evidence backing up what you assume to be true.

    Plus it was the league that came out and publically stated that the NFL controls the communication equipment when the tin foil hat crowd was throwing out wild ideas.

    Then other teams came out and said that the communication problems happen in games not involving the Patriots.

    So in this case the quacking is likely coming from those wearing the tin foil hats.

  55. mullman76 says:
    Dec 18, 2016 2:53 PM

    The patriots were so blatant in their cheating that the league had to bury it to avoid a PR nightmare.

    ———————-

    You made that up.

Leave a Reply

You must be logged in to leave a comment. Not a member? Register now!

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.