Vance Joseph could quickly end up with a head-coaching job

AP

Dolphins defensive coordinator Vance Joseph may have won by losing.

The candidate for multiple head-coaching jobs has an advantage over assistant coaches whose teams are still playing, since Joseph (unlike the likes of Dave Toub, Kyle Shanahan, and Josh McDaniels, to name a few) can be hired now.

Joseph’s first opportunity comes, as expected, with the Broncos. He’s one of three primary candidates to succeed Gary Kubiak, and the reality is that his ability to be hired now gives him an edge. Especially if other teams interested in Joseph ramp up their pursuit of him.

The Broncos ultimately want someone who will keep the defense intact and fix the offense. The reported intent to bring former Broncos offensive coordinator and Chargers coach Mike McCoy back to Denver may address the latter point. As to the former, one source with knowledge of the source recently took issue with the notion that Joseph automatically would move on from defensive coordinator Wade Phillips, promoting current Broncos defensive backs coach Joe Woods into the job. Phillips remains on the radar screen in Denver, and the desire for continuity applies across the board.

Hiring Joseph would be similar to Pittsburgh’s decision to hire Mike Tomlin a decade ago. Tomlin, a 4-3 defensive expert, stuck with Dick LeBeau and the 3-4 defense. Joseph, armed with a plan for improving the offense, could help ensure that some of the rifts that emerged from time to time between the two sides of the ball won’t happen moving forward.

73 responses to “Vance Joseph could quickly end up with a head-coaching job

  1. no one seems to mention that Miami’s Defense drastically under-performed this season with him as the DC, ranking in the bottom half of the league in almost every defensive category. that doesn’t seem like a resume highlight to me.

  2. good. As a dolphin fan the sooner he finds another job the better. His defense was terrible last year.

  3. As a close friend of the organization I believe the Vance interview is just a fulfillment of the Rooney Rule and they will have Wade Phillips as HC and a Norv Turner-type (vested veteran OC) as a “master of the offense”.

    A strong QB coach is necessary to help along Paxton Lynch.

  4. The Dolphins had one chance yesterday and that was to come up large on defense. The results were as expected from a middle of the pack to worse defensive team. Quite the resume builder.

  5. Did anybody see that defense? And it’s not like they lack talent. Why on earth would anyone want him as a head coach?

  6. Miami had the worst Defense in the division on paper and this guy had them playing great ball…the dolphin D got better week after week even through injuries with a weak roster….this guy is the real deal, if Elway brings him in Denver will be back in the playoffs next yr…..

  7. If he’s such a great head coach candidate, why couldn’t he at least make the Dolphins defensive mediocre instead of really bad, even with the injuries. What’s so great about him? Be glad to see him go. Besides his mind wasn’t on the Dolphins this weekend it was on mememememeeeeeeee.

  8. There is a very clear leader within the Bronco fan base opinion, that it may be foolish to ignore. I certainly understand that fans don’t run the organization, but we’re responsible for keeping it afloat. Elway doesn’t need my advice, but I’d take a look at the polls in local media. When it’s that overwhelming, it’d be folly to disregard it out of hand.

    -GoDenBroncos

  9. It’s impossible to say that yesterday’s loss helped Joseph. Like it or not, it was part of his job interview and he failed to show up in probably the most important games of his career.

    Remember how Elway wanted his team going down “kicking and screaming”? Yesterday didn’t look anything like that. It looked more like the egg Denver laid against the Colts before John Fox and most of the coaching staff was fired.

  10. As a dolphins fan, I liked a few things that he brought to the table, like the fact that we were actually getting interceptions. But overall even when the defense was healthy it was extremely bad. I know part of the problem was personnel, but you don’t give up the most yards in Dolphins franchise history without coaching playing a significant role. This team improve because of Adam gase make no mistake about it. I’m not going to lose any sleep if we lose this guy.

  11. So he is a defensive coach that people think is
    special and his defense gets blown apart by the steelers and he already has announced who he wants as his staff….. what has he proved ?

    Not a chance…no way…no how

  12. Is it actually possible that Denver will go from SB champion to bringing up the rear in the AFC West by the 2017 season?

  13. I could not agree more with the majority of comments the D stunk here most of year, not sure why he is such a hot candidate the same for the RB coach in Buffalo.

    there is no reason to hire a coach this week they are not doing much .

    if i was Denver would hire a Offensive minded coach and Keep Wade has the mentor and DC

  14. As a Dolphin fan I get that they had alot of injuries but we are talking about a 1 year cordinator whose defense was historically bad. At times it reminded me of Miami’s defense in the early 90’s with Tom Olivadati calling the shots. They could not stop anybody and they win either because of the offense or a player coming up with a huge and often lucky play. I just don’t get the live this guy od receiving.

  15. Does he have a relative who was a head coach before?
    Did he “train under” a famous (not necessarily successful) head coach?
    Does the sports media talk about him as an up-and-coming coach in the league?

    Those are the sorts of questions it seems NFL owners ask when seeking a head coach. It doesn’t matter that as defensive coordinator his defense was bad.

  16. Hiring the NFL’s 29th ranked defensive coordinator does not seem like the best idea to me. I hope anyone other than the broncos hire this guy. Shanahan is worth the wait

  17. godenbroncos says: Jan 9, 2017 10:38 AM
    There is a very clear leader within the Bronco fan base opinion, that it may be foolish to ignore. I certainly understand that fans don’t run the organization, but we’re responsible for keeping it afloat. Elway doesn’t need my advice, but I’d take a look at the polls in local media. When it’s that overwhelming, it’d be folly to disregard it out of hand.
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    Yes, Elway and the Broncos should absolutely hire their coach based on fan polls! This is an excellent idea. I’m sure Cleveland can send over the homeless guy to give his expert analysis as well.

    Sincerely,
    Every other NFL team

  18. I think he did a good job in Miami considering the players he had to work with. Staying in Miami and building something from nothing would show me more about him then jumping to where ever after just 1 year.

  19. yet another coach that could be coaching the Bengals if not for the idiocy that it Mike Brown.

  20. If he was being interviewed just because of the Rooney Rule and not because of his awesome defensive resume I wouldn’t mind, as long as they are honest with the guy and not wasting his time and distracting him from his main job of helping the Dolphins get blown out.

  21. The fact he won’t retain Wade is enough to rescind any offer.

    Ignore how Miami played on D – it wasn’t better than Wade had his guys playing.

  22. People…Vance Joseph was not handed the ’72 Fins, ’85 Bears or ’00 Ravens and then turned them into the 30th ranked defense. It’s the complete opposite, actually.

    He was handed a mediocre defense and managed to squeeze everything out of them that he could. He was saddled with a ton of injuries to starters, and had to replace them with journeymen/no-names/never-weres. That lack of depth is on the front office, not the coach.

    The fact that he got this D to play well enough with those guys to hit 10-6 and reach the playoffs speaks volumes as to how good he really is. He’s going to be a solid head coach, especially when he has great players to work with.

  23. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    Jan 9, 2017 10:54 AM
    Elway wants mini Shanahan. Make no mistake about it.
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    I disagree. Increasingly likely that Vance Joseph is appointed Denver Head Coach.
    VJ is calm, low key and smart. Miami didn’t have the personnel but the Broncos are loaded.

  24. As a Raider fan, please hire him Elway 🙂 And let Wade Phillips go, I dare you!!

  25. Tomlin coached the secondary at Tampa that won the SB and as coordinator in 2006 in Minnesota the Vikes improved from 21st overall to 8th although in the stats of the weird department, the run D was 1 and the Pass D was tied for last?

    Tomlin is also the third straight 3o-something D coordinator in Pittsburgh (since 1969) and all have won SBs and coached to multiple ones.

  26. Dolphins defense never had a shot this year. Every fan should of known they were going to struggle on defense. Suspect LBs and CBs that are also injury prone with zero depth.

  27. Leading a not so good defense doesn’t necessarily mean you won’t make a good head coach. Look at Gus Bradley, he lead a top defense with Seattle, but wasn’t a great head coach.

  28. leshon42 says:
    Jan 9, 2017 11:41 AM
    Denver hires him and dolphins hire phillips as D C…Boom instant upgrade
    —————————————————————–
    Instant upgrade for both teams. But let’s be honest, Denver isn’t going anywhere until they address their QB issue.

  29. NFL should put a moratorium on coaching interviews/hires during the playoffs. Give everyone and every team on equal opportunity.

  30. I had hope when he arrived. The defense had potential and some players did play fairly well. The defense as a whole was not good all year. When it counted, they seemed to fold on a regular basis. I would not be angry if Joseph left for another job. I think the Dolphins defense can be decent with good coaching and sound fundamentals. I want the Dolphins to give someone else a shot and now that Gase has established himself I believe there would be some decent candidates to replace him.

  31. If John Elway just want’s mediocrity – then hire him.
    I know this Defense underachieved EVEN when all his players were somewhat healthy .
    They always struggled against weak teams and only looked dominate against Seattle to start the season & the Seachickens as we’ve all seen AIN’T been that good!

  32. Dolphins lost because the Qb had 3 turnovers , not Vance Joseph’s fault . I still don’t think he should be a HC tho

  33. How this guy catches so much heat from coaching an over-hyped, under performing group is beyond me. This is a guy who had Suh and little else. Pro Bowl Safety Jones was hurt early and missed most of the season. Maxwell and Kiko were misfits from day 1. Mario Williams was a wasted signing. Cam Wake is a situational pass rusher, at best (despite what most Dolphins fans believe). This guy had a decent scheme but missed tackles and blown coverage’s are beyond anything he can control. The scheme was there but the overall performance was status quo for Miami. I’m sure Dolphins fans will disagree as I live down here and have to hear that every one of their players is one of the best in the league. I will say that whether or not Joseph deserves a head coaching gig is another topic all together.

  34. Maybe he can work his magic and create a 30th ranked defense somewhere else. The unit he managed in Miami lacked discipline, allowed 4.8 ypc, and left entire sections of the field open consistently. The Dolphins won in spite of him.

  35. Am I the only one who actually actually watched that game yesterday? Matt Moore was the issue, not the defense. Moore held on to the ball too damn long on both sack-fumbles. The defense was the only reason the game was close, until the end.

  36. if Elway brings him in Denver will be back in the playoffs next yr…..
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    With that roster its pathetic they didn’t make it this year.

  37. greenwhodat26 says:
    Jan 9, 2017 1:16 PM
    Am I the only one who actually actually watched that game yesterday? Matt Moore was the issue, not the defense. Moore held on to the ball too damn long on both sack-fumbles. The defense was the only reason the game was close, until the end.

    They gave up 2 long touchdowns on the first 2 series putting them down 14 points and making the run game nonexistent.Every teams knows the underneath passing lanes are wide open .Thats why tight ends are always open and crossing patterns go for long runs after the catch .

  38. the phony and pc rooney rule is obvious again

    this guy sucks

    his defenses have been shredded down the stretch

    between anthony lynn and this guy? my goodness

  39. Let the Raiders fire Ken Norton, he can go to Miami… Wade Phillips goes to the Raiders and Vance Johnson becomes head coach of Denver!!!

  40. how many coaches have bb and brady sent packing
    from the division and out of the nfl?

    how many are afraid to take on jobs in buffalo, ny or miami?

    just an epic swath of devastation in the pats’ wake
    for 15 years

  41. I guess I’m in the minority here… I like him and think he’ll be a solid head coach, whenever that time comes. Statistically, the defense had it’s problems. Although, there was something magical about their late game heroics that helped them get to the playoffs this year. Sometimes we get caught up in stats and lose sight of the intangibles. The things that can’t be measured.

  42. if he’s not hired away i hope we fire him. his defense was awful considering the above level payroll.

  43. Is there any other business with the NFL model?:

    1) Fire everyone in operations (i.e., the coaches).

    2) Give yourself about 2 weeks to replace the boss.

    3) Interview 2-3 candidates that have had this position with another organization and failed.

    4) Interview 2-3 candidates with no prior experience as a head boss.

    5) Pick one and let him hire all his old pals.

    6) Expect a better result.

  44. I listened to all the nice things people have said about this guy during the season and watched as the our D got gashed by good QB’s all pretty much in the same way starting with the Ravens. I am willing to give Joesph the benefit of another summer to get this right and boy has he got lot of work to do. I will listen, but I will use my own eyes to form an opinion on our Defence especially our much hearled D line. There’s a couple of things that bother me about our D line. I like Suh but I am slowly wondering if he is as good as the pundits say he is only because are we getting value for money. If he is indeed taking 2 or 3 guys out what on earth are the others playing at because all I saw was a lot of teams running amok. I don’t claim to know anything about the finer points of the game like gap responsibilities etc but I do beleive it’s also a numbers game, man on man. So if Suh is indeed taking care of 2 and maybe Wake also, either this D line and the LBs have passengers or Joesph is not up to the hype. I am not one to expect a pretty ropey defence that we have endured for a long time to improve over one offseason but I don’t get the hype for Vance Joesph based on what I have seen. So I hope he stays and gets this bunch playing better and hopefully he gets a little better luck with the injuries.

  45. silvernblacksabbath says:
    Jan 9, 2017 1:32 PM

    Let the Raiders fire Ken Norton, he can go to Miami… Wade Phillips goes to the Raiders and Vance Johnson becomes head coach of Denver!!!
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    Dennis Allan, Jack Del Rio, and now Wade Phillips. Oakland cant find their own coaches, always have to rely on Denver. LOL!

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