LeGarrette Blount: Tom Brady is the best ever, I don’t see an argument

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Tom Brady: Great quarterback, or the greatest quarterback? To LeGarrette Blount, the answer is clear.

After Brady led the Patriots to yet another Super Bowl, his seventh as their starting quarterback, Blount told reporters in the Patriots’ locker room that he can’t think of any reason anyone would call any other quarterback better.

“He’s the greatest quarterback of all time. People can argue, but I don’t see an argument. He piles on stats and wins and everything on his resume. Obviously he’s going to be a first-ballot hall of famer. As long as you have that guy on your team . . . we’re going to always have a chance,” Blount said.

There are, of course, arguments. There are always arguments when sports fans debate who’s the greatest. Some might choose Otto Graham or Johnny Unitas or Joe Montana or Peyton Manning over Brady.

But Brady is making a stronger and stronger case, at an age when most players are washed up. And against the Falcons, Brady can make his case stronger still. He can become the first quarterback with five Super Bowl rings and the first player to win four Super Bowl MVPs, and he can add to his all-time Super Bowl records for passing yards and passing touchdowns. With each game he’s bolstering his already strong argument.

187 responses to “LeGarrette Blount: Tom Brady is the best ever, I don’t see an argument

  1. Let’s see how great Brady plays without BB to close the argument. The Patriots were 3 and 1 without Brady with 3 consistent victories and a loss playing a third string QB. I am not saying that Brady is not the best ever, but Brady has definitely benefited playing behind a solid team with consistent good defenses and special teams.

  2. Yep. And Bill is the greatest coach of all time. Put those two parts together and you always have a chance. They’ve won in many different ways with drastically different personnel.

    Too many coaches have a “system” that they try to fit their personnel in. Only great coaches like Bill can always adjust to maximize his players performance.

  3. Some where there are folks putting together an argument that he’s not a first ballot hall of famer let alone the greatest ever.

  4. Otto Graham has a case, that’s it. Meanwhile, all the celebrations for Blount’s unstoppable TD runs are single handedly reviving America’s musket and black powder manufacturing. #JobCreators

  5. Well he seems too win and win and win and put up crazy numbers with journeyman receivers at best. I used to think Montanna was TGAT but look what he had on his team All Pro wideouts, Tight Ends and Running backs . Brady does it with a great Tight End and a bunch scrubs .

  6. Six consecutive AFC Championship appearances. Seventh Superbowl appearances in 17 years. Incredible. And to think there are franchises that have never made it. And in a salary cap era where rich teams cannot stack the deck. Wow.

  7. Report comment
    collectordude says:
    Jan 23, 2017 4:45 PM
    Brady still not greater than Montana.

    Montana didn’t play in 7 SB
    Only 1 player has. Guess who?

    The Montana Brady conversation ended when Brady won his 4th

  8. Tajuara-your argument can be made to discredit any of the greats.

    But over 16 years of evidence, you are trying to use only 4 games to make your point.

    Of course the greats needed coaching support and good players in all phases of the game.

    But it’s all about the rings, isn’t it?

  9. wademaxwell1990 says:
    Jan 23, 2017 4:48 PM
    Brett favre is the greatest ever. Look at what Brady’s backups have done when given the chance. Imagine if favre played his whole career with belichick

    And what has Farve back done. HELLO Aron Rogers..

  10. I don’t see how anyone can make the case that Montana was better. Montana was 4-0 in the Super Bowl. That means that every year he didn’t win in the Super Bowl his team was either beat before they got there or didn’t make the playoffs.

    Brady has won 4 and made it there 7 times. Case closed.

  11. collectordude says:
    Jan 23, 2017 4:45 PM
    Brady still not greater than Montana.

    Name literally ONE record that Montana that Barady hasnt destroyed. This arguement gets soooo old.

  12. Geez, we’ve already got him winning his fifth ring, 4th MVP,etc, etc.

    How about we let them play, and then start talking all this crap? For Brady, it’s all about winning games. If he wins SB LI, well, this GOAT argument would be on the table…

  13. .
    1. All talk about where Brady stands ” all time” should be withheld until after he retires.

    2. No matter how much of a genius you are, it’s impossible to compare different players from different eras. Rule changes, salary cap, free agency etc. make a true comparison the equivalent of a fool’s errand.
    .

  14. Well, there is this cheating thing…..

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    Not to anyone who is open minded and actually paid attention to more than espn headlines.

  15. bobthebillsfan says:
    Jan 23, 2017 4:48 PM

    Six consecutive AFC Championship appearances. Seventh Superbowl appearances in 17 years. Incredible. And to think there are franchises that have never made it. And in a salary cap era where rich teams cannot stack the deck. Wow.
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    The Bills did as much in the 90’s. It’s what happens when you have a great QB and a great Defense.

    Winning should be expected. What’s all the hoopla about?

  16. Compare the Patriots record with and without Brady….If you dismiss that important fact, then yes you can argue Brady is the best ever. But as we all know Patriots fans claim to love facts…And if the facts show that the Patriots are good without him, then maybe just maybe there’s reasonable doubt Brady is the Greatest ever…But as we all know Patriots fans don’t really like this thing called common sense…

  17. “but Brady has definitely benefited playing behind a solid team with consistent good defenses and special teams.”

    So haven’t the other greats. Would Montana have them same resume without Bill Walsh, Jerry Rice & Co? Who’s to say.

  18. scottjameswebdesign says:
    Jan 23, 2017 4:54 PM
    I don’t see how anyone can make the case that Montana was better. Montana was 4-0 in the Super Bowl. That means that every year he didn’t win in the Super Bowl his team was either beat before they got there or didn’t make the playoffs.

    Brady has won 4 and made it there 7 times. Case closed.

    Yup, there’s that, and stickum!

  19. The stats, the rings, and the accolades. Brady is the best ever and does it with scrubs.

    Lol only Brady can make a lacrosse player seem elite.

  20. my_old_name_was_offensive says:
    Jan 23, 2017 4:58 PM
    Compare the Patriots record with and without Brady….If you dismiss that important fact, then yes you can argue Brady is the best ever. But as we all know Patriots fans claim to love facts…And if the facts show that the Patriots are good without him, then maybe just maybe there’s reasonable doubt Brady is the Greatest ever…But as we all know Patriots fans don’t really like this thing called common sense…

    Since BB has been the coach of the Patriots his record WITHOUT Brady
    As the starting QB is 19-18

  21. What makes Brady the greatest is even at this point in his career he takes Belichick’s rips and he stays open to criticism and coaching.

    He is a leader.

    I have a hard time believing some of the others whose names are raised after winning the SB 4 times, 3 SB MVPs, 2 League MVPs would still believe they need to get better and would be willing to get ripped by their coach and would then listen to the direction provided.

    I also have a hard time believing some of the others whose names are raised would be willing to step back and let the running game shine because the game plan calls for it.

    He is team first. He is the G.O.A.T. and I’m looking forward to watching my 08th SB as a fan and hoping to witness win number 05.

  22. Maybe greatest CURRENT era QB, if you discount taped practices, the fact that the year after Deflategate they’ve gone from the least fumbling team by a wide margin to one of the most fumbling teams and the fact that he is a whiny brat whenever someone breathes near him 1/2 second after he throws…
    IMHO, he would have never made it out of the rookie contract by the 50s-70s rules on contact to QBs and receivers.

  23. Montana was coached by maybe the greatest offensive mind, ever and played with the greatest WR ever. Also surrounded by pro bowlers and all pro’s at almost every position. But Brady gets dinged for being coached by Belichick. That makes no sense.

  24. Tajuara-your argument can be made to discredit any of the greats.

    But over 16 years of evidence, you are trying to use only 4 games to make your point.

    Of course the greats needed coaching support and good players in all phases of the game.

    But it’s all about the rings, isn’t it?

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    Well, Brady had missed only four games the last couple of seasons, and the season he got injured the Pats had a winning record playing behind Matt Cassel (11-5 record), so we are not talking only of 4 games. My argument, though, was not directed to discredit Brady, but just to point out that is not only because of him that the Pats have succeed. The Pats, unlike other teams, have always had consistent defenses and special teams.

  25. wademaxwell1990 says:
    Jan 23, 2017 4:48 PM
    Brett Favre is the greatest ever. Look at what Brady’s backups have done when given the chance. Imagine if favre played his whole career with Belichick
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    Look at what Favre’s back up did when given the chance. The guy’s name is Aaron Rodgers, if you haven’t heard of him try an internet search. While it’s unrealistic to compare players from different eras there is no doubt Brady is greatest player of the salary cap era and belongs on Mt Rushmore of all time greats. Favre was a blast to watch but he wouldn’t have lasted more than a few seasons with Belichick. His game was chaotic and his personality was too outsized, that type of player is the antithesis of a Belichick guy. The Hoodie is so bolted down even the idea of winging it and the potential for interceptions would probably make him physically ill. Favre would have truly ripped it up under a coach like Carroll but Belichick would have moved him for picks.

  26. wademaxwell1990 says:
    Jan 23, 2017 4:48 PM
    Brett favre is the greatest ever. Look at what Brady’s backups have done when given the chance. Imagine if favre played his whole career with belichick

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    Yeah, just imagine. Favre would have driven BB insane, probably to the point where he would have shipped him off for draft picks. Look – I loved Favre as a QB and in many ways he was more exciting to watch than Brady. That being said, his lack of discipline, propensity to veer off-script and diva-like attitude would have made him an incompatible with the Patriot way.

  27. LeGarrette Blount is entitled to his opinion, but I’d bet a lot of money he wouldn’t have a clue in the world what Sammy Baugh, Otto Graham, Johnny Unitas, Bart Starr, and many others did in their careers.
    Tom Brady is the best QB of his era, no question. But let’s leave it at that. It isn’t fair to say he’s better than guys who were excellent in their eras, any more than it’s fair to say they were better than he is.
    It’s the old saying — opinions are like noses — everybody has one.
    I’ll say this much. I’ve been watching the NFL since 1960 and if I had to choose one QB to win one big game for me, I’d still pick Bart Starr. But if I had to choose one guy to win a lot of games for me, it would be Johnny Unitas.
    The point is, no one is right and no one is wrong about this kind of thing because it’s all subjective. That said, you should at least do your homework about the guys in the past if you are going to proclaim someone from this era the best.
    Really, Sammy Baugh should be regarded as the greatest QB. Because not only was he the best QB of his era by far, he was also the best defensive back and the best punter, too! Let’s see Tom Brady do that!

  28. Let’s see how great Brady plays without BB to close the argument. The Patriots were 3 and 1 without Brady with 3 consistent victories and a loss playing a third string QB. I am not saying that Brady is not the best ever, but Brady has definitely benefited playing behind a solid team with consistent good defenses and special teams.

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    Without Brady they were beat 16-0 by the Bills (The Bills!!!). That has to be considered too.

    And in 2008 without Brady they had 11 wins, but they didn’t make the playoffs and the year before Brady had 18 wins (and one painful loss) with that same team.

    Brady also won the unanimous MVP in 2010 with basically no defense.

    I think it’s obvious Brady wouldn’t have won as much without Belichick, but it’s pretty clear Belichick didn’t win much before Brady.

  29. skawh says:
    Jan 23, 2017 4:58 PM

    The Bills did as much in the 90’s. It’s what happens when you have a great QB and a great Defense.

    Winning should be expected. What’s all the hoopla about?
    ====================

    Aww, that little bro is still mad. Tell us again how the Pats are racist organization for having some white receivers, that was hysterical.

  30. If he’s not the greatest ever he’s dang close enough. Remarkable what he’s achieved over the timeframe he has with ever changing parts.

  31. I’m Pretty sure that Bill Belichik’s record with the Patriots sans Tom Brady as the starter is 19-19. With no playoff victories mind you. I’m also pretty sure Belichik went 36-44 as a HC with Cleveland prior to that. Yeah, Brady is the best ever.

  32. He plays in an era where your little finger can’t touch a quarterbacks helmet and an era where receivers are untouched and open always !
    Period Stop !! We all seen what he did when the NY GIANTS ragdolled him well there was an era where a quarterback got that treatment and some everygame ! He is a product of the times !

  33. Brady is the best to play the position.

    He would have succeeded in any system, but he would not have all the hardware to go with the W’s.

    If Belichick can win 12 games with Cassell, it’s the system. If you pair the best QB ever with the best system ever, you get the patriots ’01-present.

    That being said, patriot fans are the worst kind of fan.

    Their arrogance and sense of entitlement know no bounds.

    Braying donkeys, the whole lot of them.

    Carry on.

  34. maust1013 says:
    Jan 23, 2017 5:12 PM

    Aww, that little bro is still mad. Tell us again how the Pats are racist organization for having some white receivers, that was hysterical.
    ——
    Well, now that you mention it, you’re saying it’s a coincidence that NE is the only NFL team with mainly all white receivers. Hmm, and didn’t the Boston Celtics have teams that sought out a majority white players. So, you’re saying it’s merely a Boston thing. Got it!

  35. Look what Brady did with Welker and Hogan, two RFAs in his own division that Miami and Buffalo couldn’t get much out of on the field.

    Look how he revived Randy Moss’ career.

    Look what he has done to the Steelers, a great franchise, in the playoffs, never losing while throwing 22 touchdowns and zero picks.

    He is going to his seventh super bowl having won four and losing two that his defense lost after he handed them a lead from behind late in the fourth quarter.

    His plus-minus of wins over losses in the playoffs dwarfs every other QB.

    The league and jealous owners conspired to defeat Brady of the field because he can’t be beat on it consistently. They didn’t just change a rule, they literally created evidence and a bs charge to kneecap him. Goodell is just a well paid Tanya Harding.

  36. It’s almost impossible to say any player is the greatest of all time. The game is different now than it was in the 50’s, 60’s or 70’s. Heck, its a lot different than it was even 20 years ago. Who’s to say how Brady would have played back then or how the old timers would play against today’s competition. The real argument is if he is the greatest of his generation and it’s hard to argue against him on that. Although I would love to have seen what Peyton Manning or Brett Favre would have done with the coaches & the talent Brady has had.

  37. “Montana was 4-0 in the Super Bowl”

    yes the better QB will lose early in the playoffs or not make playoffs rather than lose the Super Bowl….

  38. tajuara says:
    Jan 23, 2017 4:45 PM
    Let’s see how great Brady plays without BB to close the argument. The Patriots were 3 and 1 without Brady with 3 consistent victories and a loss playing a third string QB. I am not saying that Brady is not the best ever, but Brady has definitely benefited playing behind a solid team with consistent good defenses and special teams.
    ====================
    Said every QB in the GOAT discussion.

  39. Montana couldn’t carry Brady’s jock. Give Brady that 49ers defense and Jerry Rice and Roger Craig and he would have won 8 Super Bowls in that era. How many Hall of Famers did Montana play with versus Brady? Not even close.

  40. Well, Brady had missed only four games the last couple of seasons, and the season he got injured the Pats had a winning record playing behind Matt Cassel (11-5 record), so we are not talking only of 4 games. My argument, though, was not directed to discredit Brady, but just to point out that is not only because of him that the Pats have succeed. The Pats, unlike other teams, have always had consistent defenses and special teams.
    ——-////————-///////////————-/////////

    In 2011, Brady dragged the worst defense in the AFC to the Super Bowl.

    Some people carry on the Brady versus Belichick argument. It could be that they’re both the best. Probably are.

    Of course their records are not all about him. It is about the team. But this article is about him being the GOAT.

    I appreciate your level-headed comments. I wish there were more on the NE links.

  41. Maybe Joe Montana but Brady never had a Jerry Rice for most of his career. Peyton looks like Tony Romo when you compare him to Brady in the big games.

  42. Let’s see how great Brady plays without BB to close the argument. The Patriots were 3 and 1 without Brady with 3 consistent victories and a loss playing a third string QB. I am not saying that Brady is not the best ever, but Brady has definitely benefited playing behind a solid team with consistent good defenses and special teams.

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    um…. you might want to do some fact checking before you spew more non sense.

    Tom Brady’s reg season record: 183-52
    Tom Brady’s post season record: 24-9

    Bill Belichicks reg season record without Tom Brady: 54-63
    Bill Belichicks post-season record without Tom Brady: 0-1

    If anything, its Belichick who is over-rated… but hey, let’s not let get facts in the way of your emotionally scarred opinion based on nothing but being a sore loser/hater.

  43. Brady is an all time great that has been fortunate enough to be on great teams his entire career.

  44. Where are people getting Belichick didn’t win much before Brady? The man is a defensive genius. It was his defensive game plan that won the the Giants a SB when he was the defensive coordinator. The first 3 SB titles for New England were won because of defense. Belichick’s defense. Brady just managed the game and Vinatieri kicked field goals to seal those wins. People can argue about who is the GOAT QB but there is no arguing anymore about who is the GOAT coach, Bill Belichick.

  45. Yes, the modern rules are more protective of QBs. But Brady also doesn’t play in a league with no salary cap, no free agency, and only 13 teams and a 12 game regular season. If he did he’d have 15 championships.

  46. Ever since Belichick rebuilt the Patriots and started Brady, they’ve gone 14-6 without him. And yes, that includes the 0-0 game when Brady exited with an ACL in the 1st quarter.

    It’s not Brady winning those games.

  47. Of course Brady is the GOAT.

    Montana USED to be the GOAT, but Brady:

    1. Has a better arm
    2. Has better accuracy on the deep ball
    3. Is every bit as good a leader as Joe
    4. Has more heart than Joe
    5. Is better at reading defenses that are a great deal more complicated than they were in Joe’s day.

    A lot of people knock Joe saying he was a “system QB,” but I call BS on that because he almost took KC the distance and that was no mean feat.

    But Brady has done more than Joe ever did, with less around him. He won his first 2 SBs with some pretty shoddy offenses. I mean, until they finally picked up Corey Dillon, their RB was Antowain Smith.

    When your best weapon is an ancient Troy Brown, you better be able to lift the team up on your shoulders and will them to a win. Brady has shown he can do that pretty much whenever it’s needed.

    Someone is going to come in and say “he had a great defense.” Yeah. So what? Still have to score points. And it wasn’t his defense that earned him all those MVP awards.

  48. my_old_name_was_offensive says:
    Jan 23, 2017 4:58 PM
    Compare the Patriots record with and without Brady….If you dismiss that important fact, then yes you can argue Brady is the best ever. But as we all know Patriots fans claim to love facts…And if the facts show that the Patriots are good without him, then maybe just maybe there’s reasonable doubt Brady is the Greatest ever…But as we all know Patriots fans don’t really like this thing called common sense…
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    To be fair shouldn’t we also compare the 49ers records with and without Montana? I mean they went 9-2 without Montana from ’84-89. So I guess we should probably add that into the equation. Since we’re talking about facts and all.

  49. OldDurtyBird says:
    Jan 23, 2017 5:10 PM

    Another millenidiot NFL historian chimes in.
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    Welcome to the party!

  50. “Maybe greatest CURRENT era QB, if you discount taped practices, the fact that the year after Deflategate they’ve gone from the least fumbling team by a wide margin to one of the most fumbling teams”

    Double facepalm

    1. No practices were ever recorded. This was disproven and 100 million dollar companies or whatever the Herald is worth don’t make front page retractions and apologies that open up huge corporate liability unless they are absolutely certain their previous claims were wrong.

    2. The year after framegate was actually last year, and the Pats had the fewest fumbles in the league last season. Yes this year there have been some problems, a lot of them from rookie Cyrus Jones who was not in the previous mix. That alone skews the numbers.

  51. jchipwood says:
    Jan 23, 2017 5:11 PM
    Brady plays in an era where wrs can’t be touched, qbs can’t get hit, and where almost every stadium is turf.
    ++++++++++++++++

    But what truly matters most in your assessment of him is he doesn’t play for your team. If he was taking snaps in the Florida swamplands you would think he was The Gridiron Messiah, you’d forget Marino’s name and declare this is football’s golden age. But he doesn’t and instead he plays for your hated division opponent, your still stuck with the knowledge your team hasn’t been relevant for over 30 years and the Brady/Belichick era has been unrelenting torture for you. Outside of that, have a nice day and enjoy the next 2 weeks of build up to the big show that your QB would have a hard time even getting tickets to

  52. jchipwood says:
    Jan 23, 2017 5:11 PM
    Brady plays in an era where wrs can’t be touched, qbs can’t get hit, and where almost every stadium is turf.
    =========================
    Don’t forget the 300+ lineman on both sides of the ball which wasn’t the case 50+ years ago.

  53. I keep hearing about some asterisk, but I’ve not seen one anywhere. Where are they kept? Not on the Lombardi trophy, not in the box scores, not in the records books….. Where are these mysterious things. If one is found in a legitimate location please post for all to see. I don’t think they are real or even exist. Sorta like aliens or big foot, only seen by a certain group of people that you wouldn’t want living next door.

  54. It’s impossible to say he is the best ever
    Let him go play on Clevland and let’s see how many Lonbardi’s

  55. raiders1995 says:
    Jan 23, 2017 5:12 PM
    Brady wouldn’t be famous without the Tuck Rule

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    The Tuck Rule wouldn’t be famous without Brady.

  56. revelation123 says:
    Jan 23, 2017 5:40 PM
    Ever since Belichick rebuilt the Patriots and started Brady, they’ve gone 14-6 without him. And yes, that includes the 0-0 game when Brady exited with an ACL in the 1st quarter.

    It’s not Brady winning those games.
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    49ers … 9-2 without Montana.

    It’s not Montana winning those games either. Just sayin’.

  57. egbrady says:
    Jan 23, 2017 5:08 PM
    Sure, TB is the all-time greatest now, but I never hear Bart Starr mentioned and he was the greatest in his time!
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    Unitas was the greatest in Starr’s time. That’s not up for debate either.

    1960s – Starr
    1970s -Staubach
    1980s – Montana
    1990s – Aikman/Elway
    2000s – Brady
    2010s – Brady

  58. oldtrix says:
    Jan 23, 2017 4:57 PM
    Geez, we’ve already got him winning his fifth ring, 4th MVP,etc, etc.

    How about we let them play, and then start talking all this crap? For Brady, it’s all about winning games. If he wins SB LI, well, this GOAT argument would be on the table…

    *****************
    We can wait if you need time to catch up. It’s not an argument and it’s already been on the table, now it’s just waiting for the HOF to call one day.

  59. Fact – not that homers would know any better – Brady’s career AFC championship numbers are closer to Osweiler than Montana. BB is the reason that team is successful. And I don’t like BB – but I recognize his greatness.

  60. He is obviously a great QB, but great QB’s don’t get to the Super Bowl without a great team around them. The pats were 11-5 the year Brady missed the entire year. They were 3-1 this year with two different QB’s not named Brady. The defense was the stingiest in the NFL, allowing only about 15 points per game. Does Brady really get the credit for all of that?

  61. revelation123 says:
    Jan 23, 2017 5:40 PM
    Ever since Belichick rebuilt the Patriots and started Brady, they’ve gone 14-6 without him. And yes, that includes the 0-0 game when Brady exited with an ACL in the 1st quarter.

    It’s not Brady winning those games.

    You pick and choose when you want to make your argument

    Again since B.B. Has been the coach of the Patriots his record is 19-18
    without Brady

    BB came in and the first year went
    5-11 then the next season started 0-2

    Brady stepped in and they won the SB

  62. The only argument I would possibly make against Brady is the era he plays in. One can’t say it doesn’t matter because it does. Rules are set up for offenses in this day and age….I would love to see Montana now playing with BB…

    THAT BEING SAID….I agree with Blount entirely. He is the best ever in this Bills fans mind. I am not a fan of qbs who run more than pass, and I have always admired qbs who stand tall in the pocket and throw all over the place. Think about this… Montana, young, Elway, Kelly and Marino followed by Manning, Brees, Rodgers and yep!!!! Brady is the best of them all.

    Even though he abuses my favorite team yeAr in and year out, he truly is awesome to watch. I’m actually going to root for them in the bowl

  63. gizzmonic says:
    Jan 23, 2017 5:50 PM
    I keep hearing about some asterisk, but I’ve not seen one anywhere. Where are they kept? Not on the Lombardi trophy, not in the box scores, not in the records books….. Where are these mysterious things. If one is found in a legitimate location please post for all to see. I don’t think they are real or even exist. Sorta like aliens or big foot, only seen by a certain group of people that you wouldn’t want living next door.

    Trust me. Outside of Pats Nation there are plenty of asterisks. It isn’t about whether it’s in the record books, it’s about the respect the Pats do not garner because they cheat. Or as they say in Boston “bend the rules because you didn’t think of it first.”

    Rest of us don’t try.

  64. Aaron Rodgers is the GOAT. I don’t want to hear about Brady’s rings, Rodgers makes throws I’ve never seen anyone else make.

  65. It’s not Montana winning those games either. Just sayin’.
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    I completely agree. Niether Brady or Montana are the best QB to ever play. They were merely great QBs who were fortunate enough to be on great teams.

  66. Susan Imbriale says:
    Jan 23, 2017 5:51 PM
    It’s impossible to say he is the best ever
    Let him go play on Clevland and let’s see how many Lonbardi’s

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    Belichick and Brady could have both ended up on Cleveland. Not so far fetched given Belichick was there and Brady was a 6th round pick.

    I think they might have won some Lombardi trophies.

  67. “There’s maybe 6 or 7 people in the entire world that would choose Peyton Manning over Brady……and they’re all related to the Manning clan”
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    I couldn’t care less about the AFC and know Manning was better than Brady. It was very close, but Manning carried that team. Brady didn’t.

    That’s why the Colts got destroyed when Manning was injured and the Patriots didn’t.

  68. Flash1287
    Jan 23, 2017, 4:01 PM CST
    my_old_name_was_offensive says:
    Jan 23, 2017 4:58 PM
    Compare the Patriots record with and without Brady….If you dismiss that important fact, then yes you can argue Brady is the best ever. But as we all know Patriots fans claim to love facts…And if the facts show that the Patriots are good without him, then maybe just maybe there’s reasonable doubt Brady is the Greatest ever…But as we all know Patriots fans don’t really like this thing called common sense…

    Since BB has been the coach of the Patriots his record WITHOUT Brady
    As the starting QB is 19-18

    In 2000 BB took over a 8-8 team and went 5-11. Spy gate allegedly started in 2001, where they went 11-5…whatever the total record since too. In those seasons Tom missed 19 full games(the knee injury was early in the game if I remember right)11-5 the season of the knee injury and 3-1 this season for yet another cheating scandal. It’s pretty easy to be great with all the cheating scandals that have gone on in the BB&TB era.

  69. Joe Montana is the Goat. Joe played against Lawrence Taylor, Legendary Bears Defense, the Hogs, Reggie White, Who Brady played against that would beat the teams Montana had to play? Certainly not the Texans and Steelers, and Definitely not Mannings Colts, or Giants.

  70. skawh says:
    Jan 23, 2017 5:29 PM
    maust1013 says:
    Jan 23, 2017 5:12 PM

    Aww, that little bro is still mad. Tell us again how the Pats are racist organization for having some white receivers, that was hysterical.
    ——
    Well, now that you mention it, you’re saying it’s a coincidence that NE is the only NFL team with mainly all white receivers. Hmm, and didn’t the Boston Celtics have teams that sought out a majority white players. So, you’re saying it’s merely a Boston thing. Got it!
    ====================

    The Celtics sought out exactly what Belichick seeks out, coachable winners. The same Boston thing you deride with your version of racism produced the first African American player, starting 5 and coach. BTW, who were the white receivers on the Pats first 3 SB winners?
    Belichick, like Auerbach, could care less if a player that met his criteria was lavender. It’s said that you are so bitter at having your one year dynasty kicked to the curb that your vituperation descends to race baiting.
    Grow up son. Football is a game, sometimes the other guy wins

  71. Don’t forget about spygate and Goodell destroying the tapes for the Patriots. Without that, brady wouldn’t be any good. Knowing defensive signals as a quarterback helps so much. Also he’s a system qb. Have him play for another coach and team and see how he does

  72. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    Jan 23, 2017 5:40 PM
    Where are people getting Belichick didn’t win much before Brady? The man is a defensive genius. It was his defensive game plan that won the the Giants a SB when he was the defensive coordinator. The first 3 SB titles for New England were won because of defense. Belichick’s defense. Brady just managed the game and Vinatieri kicked field goals to seal those wins. People can argue about who is the GOAT QB but there is no arguing anymore about who is the GOAT coach, Bill Belichick.

    ———————-

    Belichick didn’t win much as a Head Coach prior to Brady starting. His record in Cleveland was 36-44 and Prior to Starting Brady his record in NE was 5-13.

    That’s just a fact. Brady might not be the entire cause if the improvement, but he was certainly was a big part of it.

  73. “Again since B.B. Has been the coach of the Patriots his record is 19-18 without Brady”.
    ———–

    Perhaps you didn’t notice, but Belichick took over a team in major cap space trouble in need of a rebuild. Once that rebuild was complete and Belichick started Brady, they went 14-6 without him.

  74. revelation123 says:
    Jan 23, 2017 6:04 PM
    It’s not Montana winning those games either. Just sayin’.
    ————
    I completely agree. Niether Brady or Montana are the best QB to ever play. They were merely great QBs who were fortunate enough to be on great teams.

    ——————-

    Brady isn’t merely anything.

  75. egbrady says:
    Jan 23, 2017 5:08 PM

    Sure, TB is the all-time greatest now, but I never hear Bart Starr mentioned and he was the greatest in his time!
    ————————–

    Bart Starr gets mentioned all of the time in these discussions.

  76. “Brady’s career AFC championship numbers are closer to Osweiler than Montana. ”

    Pretty sure Osweiler hasn’t played in any AFC Championship games.

    Brady had a damned fine game yesterday. Probably need to update your stats database. Oh, and he pretty much already holds every QB-related playoff record in the book.

  77. Yes, Matt Cassell took over a 16-0 team, went 11-5 (five more losses there) and couldn’t beat a winning team. And missed the playoffs.

    This is supposed to count against Brady?

    If you want to see what the Pats did without Brady, there are forty years of data to look at. The ’85 team had three playoff wins before getting smacked by the Bears. The ’96 team had a similar run in Parcells’s last season before hitting Favre, Reggie White, and Desmond Howard (that was, thankfully, less embarrassing than Super Bowl XX).

    You can argue Brady would have been great w/o Belichick or vice versa, but it doesn’t really matter. Together they’ve gone to 7 Super Bowls in 16 seasons, winning 4 of them, with one more to be decided. There isn’t any other combination of coach and QB remotely close to that.

    By way of comparison, Don Shula and Dan Marino (both indisputably deserving of Hall of Fame status) went to exactly one Super Bowl. Marv Levy and Jim Kelly went to four, but couldn’t win any of them. Noll and Bradshaw did win 4 of 4, but based on other considerations, nobody really includes Bradshaw in GOAT conversations.

  78. Belichick as Pats head coach is only 18-19 without Brady starting. That’s pretty clear and convincing evidence those two need each other. Both GOATs.

  79. revelation123 says:
    Jan 23, 2017 6:18 PM

    Perhaps you didn’t notice, but Belichick took over a team in major cap space trouble in need of a rebuild. Once that rebuild was complete and Belichick started Brady, they went 14-6 without him.

    =======================

    Belichick had a QB who went to multiple Pro Bowls and a Super Bowl yet started his Pats career at 5-13. Then Brady takes over mid season, with the identical roster, and as a first time starter, and takes them to the franchise’s first Super Bowl win as a big underdog.

    Belichick is 18-19 without Brady starting. They both need each other, obviously.

  80. Speaking of the fictitious story about the Pats taping the Rams SB walkthrough, that tool John Tomase is on Sports radio here in Boston on Saturday afternoon.

    I am going to call up and ask him if there’s any truth to the rumor that the Pats taped the Texans and Steelers walkthroughs for these past 2 games.
    I mean lets be logical, if anyone would know it’d be tomato can Tomase, because he’s the one who published that fairy tale 17 years ago.
    I suspect he’s an aficionado on that subject matter.
    I mean really, there’s STILL a bunch of mouth breathing half wits on these sites who think his fairy tale was actually true, even though the Herald had to publish a full page retraction
    The NFL public is so gullible

  81. Belichick did not have full control in Cleveland. In NE, he had full control, but it takes time to build a team, so counting those years against him is silly. He was 11-5 with the Matt Cassel and the rest of the team. Clearly Cassel must be a great QB to win 11 games. Where is he now?

  82. It’s impossible to say who is the best ever, but I’d take Rodgers over them all. His scrambling ability makes him next to unstoppable. If Green Bay had a coach nearly as good as BB, and a consistent defense, he’d be right up there with Brady in terms of rings and SB appearances.

  83. First of all, you can’t compare players from different eras. there are a few great QB during the history of the NFL; brady is one of them.

    The greatest, yeah, that argument can be made. It is illogical to say he isn’t because some guy played while brady was a kid or just wasn’t born yet.

    in my 40 years of watching football, he is the best ive seen; if not, a very close second. like a florida recount second.

  84. Just because the team won 3 of 4 games during his suspension, should NOT count against Brady. Did you guys even watch the games?! The first game was won by Cardinals’ missed field goal. Only the Miami and Houston games were solid wins. And the Buffalo game (16-0), they got shut out for the first time ever! Even those game they won were done through defense and scheming. Credit to Garoppolo though for playing a great half game (he has great potential). Their backup QBs were not asked to win the games but only not to lose the games. After Brady came back the team’s offense completely transformed back to a Brady winning machine! When Brady played Buffalo again, he annihilated them (41-25)! The two Buffalo games tell you all you need to know if Brady is great or not.

    Scottie Pippen took the Bulls to the semi-final during Michael Jordan’s retirement. Should we discredit Jordan’s greatness? Get real, you jealous loser!

    -Bears fan

  85. “1990s – Aikman/Elway”

    I’d take Favre or Young over either of those guys for the 1990s.

    From the eye test, I’d still take Rodgers over Brady. Most times I see a pass rush on Brady, he has mediocre results and looks just like all of the other unathletic QBs, with so-so results (like vs Houston last week). The thing is, he almost always has great protection and the receivers are open in 2.5 seconds or less. That is a credit to coaching and to Brady’s ability to recognize a defense pre-snap. I think Rodgers can do anything as well as Brady and a few things Brady cannot do. Brady’s coaches help with winning, whereas Rodgers has to overcome coaching deficiencies – especially on defense.

  86. gizzmonic says:
    Jan 23, 2017 5:50 PM
    I keep hearing about some asterisk, but I’ve not seen one anywhere. Where are they kept? Not on the Lombardi trophy, not in the box scores, not in the records books….. Where are these mysterious things. If one is found in a legitimate location please post for all to see. I don’t think they are real or even exist. Sorta like aliens or big foot, only seen by a certain group of people that you wouldn’t want living next door.

    —————————————————————-

    You will never see an asterisk unless you are a brain surgeon who specializes on operating on individuals having brains that are extremely small. The only place any asterisks will ever be found are the ones that are carved into the small minds of individuals that were duped by the NFL. No amount of science or the fact that the NFL is still hiding the PSI information from both the 2015 and 2016 seasons can change that.

  87. revelation123 says:
    Jan 23, 2017 5:40 PM
    Ever since Belichick rebuilt the Patriots and started Brady, they’ve gone 14-6 without him. And yes, that includes the 0-0 game when Brady exited with an ACL in the 1st quarter.

    It’s not Brady winning those games.

    ——-
    Your sample size is 20, and Brady has played in 235 games (with a winning percentage of .779). Comparing the two is statistically meaningless.

  88. I don’t know if Brady is the lone GOAT, but I wouldn’t say any of those past QBs frequently mentioned (like Graham, Unitas, Starr, Montana, Marino, Favre, Manning) was better than Brady either.

  89. jchipwood says:
    Jan 23, 2017 6:11 PM

    If Brady played for Miami I wouldn’t be a Miami fan. I don’t like cheaters.
    ++++++++++++

    At least the second sentence is true.
    (cough) shula (cough)
    Your defense of that old fraud has included ridiculous claims like he had nothing to do with signing his own contract and that he didn’t benefit from flooding his field to slow down a faster Jets team in the playoffs. You don’t just love cheaters, you revere them

  90. Opinion: Brady is the best of all time.

    Fact: Brady deserves to be a first round hall of famer.

    Alternative Fact: Brady is personally responsible for deflating footballs.

  91. collectordude says:
    Jan 23, 2017 4:45 PM
    Brady still not greater than Montana.

    ———-

    Even with Bill Walsh and a host of HOf players,Montana was only able to make it to 4 SBs….Brady has made it to 7. It’s not even close.

  92. tajuara says:
    Jan 23, 2017 5:06 PM
    Tajuara-your argument can be made to discredit any of the greats.

    But over 16 years of evidence, you are trying to use only 4 games to make your point.

    Of course the greats needed coaching support and good players in all phases of the game.

    But it’s all about the rings, isn’t it?

    ———————————————-

    Well, Brady had missed only four games the last couple of seasons, and the season he got injured the Pats had a winning record playing behind Matt Cassel (11-5 record), so we are not talking only of 4 games. My argument, though, was not directed to discredit Brady, but just to point out that is not only because of him that the Pats have succeed. The Pats, unlike other teams, have always had consistent defenses and special teams.

    ____________________________________

    You do realize that Cassell and the Patriots lost 5 more games than the previous team (2007) did. I consider that a significant drop off.

    Most teams that lose 5 more games than the previous year would consider firing their coach.

    Think abou it.

  93. Montana won 4 SBs against an inferior AFC that had lost 15 out of 16 SBs through Joe’s career. Joe also benefited from no free-agency and no salary cap. And other than Joe, there is no argument against Brady that holds water.

  94. revelation123 says: Jan 23, 2017 6:09 PM
    “There’s maybe 6 or 7 people in the entire world that would choose Peyton Manning over Brady……and they’re all related to the Manning clan”
    ————–
    I couldn’t care less about the AFC and know Manning was better than Brady. It was very close, but Manning carried that team. Brady didn’t.
    That’s why the Colts got destroyed when Manning was injured and the Patriots didn’t.
    ————–

    You have illustrated what makes Brady great and BETTER THAN MANNING and that is his willingness to play team ball. His willingness not to maximize his contract, his willingness to accept he has made hundreds of millions of dollars and he has more than enough money so he took below market value, team friendly deals to have a team built around him.

    I wonder whose strategy worked better?

    The guy who has started for 15 seasons, been in 11 AFC Championships, going to his 07th Super Bowl, has won 04 Super Bowls and been named the Super Bowl MVP 3 times?

    Or

    The guy who started for 17 seasons, went to 06 AFC Championships, to 04 Super Bowls winning 02 with being named the Super Bowl MVP once?

    At least Manning was the regular season Champ (MVP) 05 times versus Brady’s 02. There is always that…

  95. If it bothers you so much that you just want to spew nothing but your “cheater” nonsense on all matters involving NE, you ought to demand the truth from Goodell’s NFL Liars Club. They’re the ones who promised you an independent and transparent investigation but provided you with neither.

  96. Brady still not greater than Montana.
    ???????????
    ———————————————–
    Brady has 74 accomplishments on his resume that Montana lacks and he’s not even done yet.

    They’re called WINS, the only metric that counts. And 8 more of them are playoff WINS.

    Denial is not just a river in Egypt. The argument ended two years ago in the 4th quarter of SB 49.

    Hard to see anybody in the game ever surpassing Brady, but who knows, that’s how I used to feel about Bradshaw and Montana.

  97. tajuara says:
    Jan 23, 2017 4:45 PM
    Let’s see how great Brady plays without BB to close the argument. The Patriots were 3 and 1 without Brady with 3 consistent victories and a loss playing a third string QB. I am not saying that Brady is not the best ever, but Brady has definitely benefited playing behind a solid team with consistent good defenses and special teams.

    ———————————————————————

    Belichick is a defensive coach. Brady plays offense. Everyone says Brady can’t win without Belichick but he has won one playoff game as a head coach without Brady, big deal. The Patriots have never won anything meaningful without Brady. Yeah they got to playoffs with Matt Cassell basically on a technicality but they got bounced the first game. There is something that Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Joe Montana couldn’t do better then Tom Brady and thats WIN. Not only does he win, but he also puts up awesome numbers, which he has been doing for years & years.

  98. Whenever there is a post about Belichick being the greatest of all time there are tons of comments that say it’s all because of Brady. When the post is about Brady the comments say it’s all because of Belichick. The haters can’t decide. That’s enough for me to call them both GOATS.

  99. All you system QB guys are out of your mind. If it’s the system then Brock O should be looking just like Brady in O’Brian’s”system”.

  100. Tom Brady has 24 playoff wins.

    Joe Montana has 16.

    Not close.
    Brady would have even more, but he usually gets his team a first round bye, so he doesn’t even have to play those games.

  101. Brady has at worst won 4 SBs been to 7 and been to 11 AFC title games. He’s at the very top of all time TD’s and Yards, has won 2 MVP and was probably 2-4th several other times. Maybe without Belichcik he wouldn’t have been as successful, but the fact is they were together and he is THE most successful QB ever. That being said I’ve ALMOST always rooted against him, but he is the GOAT.

  102. saints737 says:
    Jan 23, 2017 5:28 PM
    The argument is that he’s a cheater. It’s been proven not once, not twice, but three times.

    Strike three, you’re out Tom

    —–

    This is a great example of complete nonsense. You’d have to name one time first to even start, and that’s not a possibility.

  103. @tajuara says:
    Let’s see how great Brady plays without BB to close the argument. The Patriots were 3 and 1 without Brady with 3 consistent victories and a loss playing a third string QB. I am not saying that Brady is not the best ever, but Brady has definitely benefited playing behind a solid team with consistent good defenses and special teams.
    —-

    Didnt Montana’s backup step in, and win MVP trophies and a Superbowl?

  104. Yeah they got to playoffs with Matt Cassell basically on a technicality but they got bounced the first game.
    —————————
    Actually they didn’t have a postseason. They were tied with Miami for the division lead, but missed out on the 3rd tiebreaker. Also lost the tiebreakers for the 2nd wildcard spot to the Ravens.

  105. biggs13 says:
    Jan 23, 2017 8:06 PM

    LeGarrette Blount is the dumbest ever, I don’t see an argument.

    —————————————————————
    Yet, he was smart enough for the smartest coach in the league to want him back.

  106. I think ALL, and I mean ALL of the credit goes to Belichick. He wins with back-ups. Brady is a great QB, but not the GOAT. Belichick has that team playing extremely well and Cassell and Garapolo win.

    The Pats are coached up so well that any loss is an upset. How Seattle went in NE and won I don’t know.

    Anyhow…this Superbowl doesn’t interest me.

    I am ready for the draft.

  107. Obtaining PSI measurements of footballs during the 2015 and 2016 seasons because you want to remind everyone that Tom Brady let air out of footballs. Feeling stupid when the data shows that footballs always deflate on their own when it’s cold outside. Then having to keep the PSI information from 2015 & 2016 secret to conceal your lies. Realizing that if that PSI information was made public then even some of the dupes would be just smart enough to understand that Tom Brady was blamed for what the weather does.

  108. You really can’t compare the quarterbacks because of the different era’s and they all played with a different set of rules. Montana played when you could actually hit a quarterback, if he played under today’s rules Montana could’ve lasted longer. Brady has been great but he benefited from the tuck rule and also rules that allow the offense to get away with more. Defense’s have a harder time these days to stopping offenses. Montana for me is the greatest because football was actually football back then.

  109. revelation123 says:
    Jan 23, 2017 6:09 PM
    “There’s maybe 6 or 7 people in the entire world that would choose Peyton Manning over Brady……and they’re all related to the Manning clan”
    ————–

    I couldn’t care less about the AFC and know Manning was better than Brady. It was very close, but Manning carried that team. Brady didn’t.

    That’s why the Colts got destroyed when Manning was injured and the Patriots didn’t.
    —————————————————-
    Let’s visit this…..

    The Colts go 10-6 (one and done in the playoffs) in 2010, Manning misses 2011 with the neck injury, the Colts go 2-14. They draft Andrew Luck in 2012 and go 11-5.

    One could draw the conclusion that the Colts were probably more like a 6-10 team in 2011 that tanked to draft Luck.

  110. trollaikman8 says:
    Jan 23, 2017 7:42 PM

    How many SB’s did Montana lose to an underdog team led by the slow Manning boy?
    ——————————-

    You don’t know?

  111. Where are people getting Belichick didn’t win much before Brady? The man is a defensive genius. It was his defensive game plan that won the the Giants a SB when he was the defensive coordinator. The first 3 SB titles for New England were won because of defense. Belichick’s defense. Brady just managed the game and Vinatieri kicked field goals to seal those wins. People can argue about who is the GOAT QB but there is no arguing anymore about who is the GOAT coach, Bill Belichick.

    =============

    Not only that, but Belichick joining Parcells in New England in 1996 after being fired from Cleveland….the result? A trip to the Superbowl. This will be Belichick’s 10th superbowl and he’s been in 15 conference championships in 40+ years of coaching.

  112. suncawy says: Jan 23, 2017 9:12 PM

    “You really can’t compare the quarterbacks because of the different era’s and they all played with a different set of rules. Montana played when you could actually hit a quarterback, if he played under today’s rules Montana could’ve lasted longer. Brady has been great but he benefited from the tuck rule and also rules that allow the offense to get away with more. Defense’s have a harder time these days to stopping offenses. Montana for me is the greatest because football was actually football back then.”

    —————————————————

    Nonsense. Of course different eras have different rules. But the same rules apply to 31 other contemporary quarterbacks and teams, not just Brady. But Brady still comes out more successful than others, based on wins AND statistics! Joe Montana beats his contemporaries, so does Brady and more successful! Brady is greatest for me and at least in the discussion for sure.

    The idiots who think Montana’s Super Bowl record of 4-0 is better than Brady’s 4-2 have no case. In regular season, you play 16 games no matter what. Postseason is about playOFF, that is, they are elimination games. Montana got eliminated earlier so there were TWO times Joe could NOT make it to the Super Bowl. Simply put Brady advanced to more games and won more games.

    While I think Peyton Manning is almost as great as Brady but he had NINE one and done in the playoff and often times going in as the 1 seed. You play well in the regular season in order to position yourself with best advantage to win your way to the Super Bowl and that’s the concept of the game and yet you lay and egg NINE times! Sorry, Brady has the edge.

  113. Montana is the best of all time. Then there’s a big gap. Then Brady, Manning, Elway, Aikman, Namath, and a few others can battle it out for second place.

  114. rtookey says:
    Jan 23, 2017 4:54 PM
    collectordude says:
    Jan 23, 2017 4:45 PM
    Brady still not greater than Montana.
    Name literally ONE record that Montana that Barady hasnt destroyed. This arguement gets soooo old.
    —————————————————-

    Undefeated (4-0) in Super Bowls.
    ZERO interceptions career.

    Not to mention it took Brady 6 games to break Montana’s TD record of 11.

  115. Get rid of 2 minutes and/or Eli Manning and Brady is playing for SB # 7. Who else has even played in 7 SBs, let alone almost winning that many? Does it make one better to have only played in 4 SBs and have won them all or to have gotten your team to 6 (now 7) SBs and gone 4-2?

    The fact is that Montana and Brady are of 2 different eras. Montana played when teams were much more easily kept together. Brady is of the salary cap ere where he’s always changing who he has to play with. Personally, if I gotta pick one, I’ll go with Brady. But, that doesn’t mean I’d boot Montana off my team either.

  116. I have to laugh at these dopes who complain about how easy the Pats schedule was (the beginning WAS easy) then use the 3-1 record to tell us that you could plug in any QB and win.

    One question: if it’s so easy why isn’t YOUR team crushing it every year?

  117. This idea that for the past 16 years, the rules on QB and WR are different so brady has an advantage is just myopic and foolish. Rogers, Manning and the rest play under the same exact rules. It’s like saying “no fair, it was raining” “Hello, it’s raining for BOTH teams”

    Look at Brady’s weapons, Doug Gabriel with Earthwind Moreland and WR Troy Brown as his two staring corners.

    If Brady wasn’t so great, why not stick with Probowl and SB QB Bledsoe?

    Sure, BB is a great coach and coaches up Brady and the team, but players make the plays.

    Further, Brady’s unselfish team-friendly contract allows BB to tinker with the roster every year.

  118. curtj5 says:
    Jan 23, 2017 10:51 PM
    First of all the Patriots are cheaters.

    Second, Kurt Warner was a better qb than Brady

    Is that the same Kurt Warner that lost to Brady in the Superbowl?

  119. Love all of these whiners crediting Montana for failing to lead his merry band of HOFers, under the guidance of his HOF coach, to the playoffs or SuperBowl. Getting to the SB is like winning a silver medal – and for Brady, in this era of salary cap and free agency, to take three entirely different teams to the Superbowl seven times is nothing short of remarkable. Credit due.

  120. We can argue this all day. Brady is THE most SUCCESSFUL QB of all time. Perhaps Rogers or Manning had more talent, maybe Montana was more clutch in big games, but longevity counts and playoff success counts IMO so I say Brady is GOAT. I really hope his SB record ends 4-3.

  121. Please.

    I get being a fan and all, but get real. Brady wouldn’t even be a starter in Montana’s era. LT would’ve put Brady in the broadcast booth faster than Theisman. And just imagine what Lott would do to Edelman, sends shivers down my spine.

    Nope, Montana mastered a much, much, much tougher era. Clearly the best ever, no discussion.

  122. Otto Graham, Johnny Unitas, Joe Montana ok, at least you can make a somewhat reasonable argument. But Peyton Manning? Roflmao…that’s hilarious. Not even the biggest Manning apologist could muster an argument for him being Brady’s equal. The funniest part is that the two teams he played on that won the SB won in spite of him. In the 7 games as QB for the two title teams he threw 5TD and 8 Int with a 72.5 QB rating.

  123. bullcharger says:
    Jan 23, 2017 6:15 PM

    Belichick didn’t win much as a Head Coach prior to Brady starting. His record in Cleveland was 36-44 and Prior to Starting Brady his record in NE was 5-13.

    That’s just a fact. Brady might not be the entire cause if the improvement, but he was certainly was a big part of it.

    ———-

    Explain that big part Brady played in improving Belichick’s record. Because that’s like someone claiming Nick Saban needed the likes of Greg Mclroy at QB to win the college football national championship at Alabama.

  124. flipola says:
    Jan 23, 2017 4:50 PM
    *
    Guilty or not, that asterisk will follow him, always.
    ______________________________________

    Where can we find this asterisk all of Roger’s willfully ignorant, science denying dupes keep referencing?

    Not on NFL.com or in the NFL record books…

    Playing make believe is fun! Yay Trolls!

    Kiss The RingS!

  125. Not a level playing field. The other QB’s never had underinflated easier to grip footballs or practice tape of there Super Bowl opponent. We really don’t know how good other QB’s would have been with those things. Apples to oranges!

  126. Patriots have lost two of their last three Super Bowls and would have lost three of three if not for the Seahawks gifting it to them with a stupid pass call at the goal line. Brady is certainly one of the five best QBs ever but it’s mostly about Belichick’s system. If Drew Brees, Peyton Manning or Matt Ryan were the QB in the Patriot’s system, any of these would have four rings. I have all the respect in the world for Brady but he’s just a really good conductor of a great train. Montana is the best ever.

  127. Not a Pat’s fan nor do hate them. I would take Brady over anybody! Has done more with less.
    Greatest arm….no. Running QB….no. Just a winner. Montana was GREAT but look at the cast he had. Wish Marino had half of that cast and defense.
    Myself I’ll always love Marino and Stabler. Top Ten to me they are. Aaron Rogers is just nuts!

    Thinking about it tho and seeing the crazy numbers he puts up, Drew Brees is one of the most amazing ever!
    Now there is a guy who gives his team a chance to win every sunday…..no matter how crappy the team is around him.

    We can debate all day.

  128. 49ers went 9-1 without Montana as well. Pretty sure nobody will be mistaking the Pats defense with those 49ers defense anytime soon I can tell you that.

  129. 2 things that get grossly overlooked-BB was the head coach at Cleveland when they moved in the middle of the night to Baltimore. BB built the Ravens but was left behind before he could coach them to greatness.

    2) if your argument is that TB isn’t and Montana is the greatest because of what the pats did without him, I seem to remember the 49er’s doing ok with some back-up named Steve young. Argument over.

  130. Run run Trolls…The big bad Patriots are coming! Using puffs of air, warm Gatorade and missing helmet stickers to defeat your teams!

    Surprisingly, crybaby Trolls posting on a message board is not having an effect on the Patriots. Hummm. You must not be whining hard enough. Next season don’t change a thing, keep denying 100+ years of proven science and try restating the already proven NFL/ESPN lies again again. It will bring the Patriots and Patriot fans to their knees!

    Ahhh,hahahahahah!

    Trolls Lose Again!

  131. It is true that there are opinions out there in the sports world that Montana is greater than Brady. But those opinions are in the small minority at this point. If this was put to a vote Brady wins in a landslide.

    One other thing. Peyton loses in the primary, and is not even on the ballot for the final vote.

  132. To my fellow Pats fans:

    For the most part people hate us, so let us enjoy our status, let us continue to revel in our team’s success, let us continue to make snide comments to our haters, and let us continue to ask the haters who THEY root for, because I have asked that question many times, and I don’t really recall any response over the years.

    Haters – the next time we meet, we’ll bring the cheese and you bring the WHINE.

    ttfn

  133. Joe Montana =11 playoff appearances. Four times one and done. Three times he had a top 5 defense , the greatest I don’t think so.
    One time they lost to 8-5-1 Vikings led by Wade Wilson.
    Tom Brady =14 playoff appearances, only two times did he play only one game . The Best period. And lets not even talk about Montana HOF’s on both sides of the ball

  134. orange and blue own the nfl says:
    Jan 24, 2017 9:47 AM
    Please.

    I get being a fan and all, but get real.
    ——-

    1st let me say I dont really care about this subject, I’m happy he’s the QB of my favorite team, how others “rank” him…whatever.

    But it is not just Pats fans that have him as the GOAT dude. Just do a google, NFL dot com, SI, CBS, Fox, USA Today, Phillydot com…all have Brady #1 all time
    I’m sure there are many other outlets too. You dont agree, that’s fine. Just dont act like it’s only Pats fans that have him #1 because that’s just not true

    “I get NOT being a fan and all” but…

  135. I can’t speak to QBs that played before my time but of all the QBs to play during the last four-plus decades, Tom Brady is the greatest. It shouldn’t be debatable but in this era of ill-informed and uninformed opinion, it still is. ~an Eagles Fan

  136. If my previous post was misunderstood, let me be clear. The GOAT is #12 Tom Brady. Montana was great but not for 15 years! And I am not a Pats fan. Cowboys fan for 40 years, and I have seen them both play …alto
    Anyone who believes deflategate is a bonehead hater. Ball air, how stupid.

  137. Brady has 74 accomplishments on his resume that Montana lacks and he’s not even done yet.

    They’re called WINS
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    Montana faced real competition.

    Joe Gibbs. Bill Parcells. The Monsters of the Midway.

    Brady and Belichick have beat up on a bunch of stooges.

  138. Joe Montana =11 playoff appearances. Three times he had a top 5 defense

    Tom Brady =14 playoff appearances
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    Tom Brady – 6 times he had a top 5 defense. 4 times the Pats were #1 or #2

    Back to the drawing board……..

  139. And lets not even talk about Montana HOF’s on both sides of the ball
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    Why not?

    Rice on offense.. Lott and Haley on defense. 3

    Brady played with 2. Moss and Seau.

    And according to what I read around here, Law, Harrison and Bruschi should be in. As well as Welker, Vrabel, McGinest…

    Try again…..

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