Tom Brady adding to a long list of Super Bowl records

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Patriots quarterback Tom Brady is already the owner of several Super Bowl records, and he’ll add to those records in Super Bowl LI. Here’s a look at the records Brady owns:

Games played: Brady and former Broncos and Bills defensive lineman Mike Lodish are tied for the most Super Bowls played, with six. Brady will play in No. 7 and have the record to himself after Super Bowl LI.

Super Bowl MVPs: Brady and former 49ers quarterback Joe Montana are the only players to win the Super Bowl Most Valuable Player award three times. Brady could make it four against the Falcons.

Pass attempts: Brady already has the record at 247, and he’ll almost certainly have the record by more than 100 after Super Bowl LI: Peyton Manning is second in Super Bowl history, with 155 passes thrown.

Pass completions: Brady has the all-time record, with 164. Peyton Manning is again second, with 103. Brady also owns the Super Bowl records for completions in a game, with 37 in Super Bowl XLIX, and for consecutive completions, hitting 16 in a row in Super Bowl XLVI.

Passing yards: Brady owns the all-time record with 1,605. With a huge game he could reach 2,000 career yards in the Super Bowl; second is Kurt Warner, with 1,156 career Super Bowl yards.

Touchdown passes: Brady has thrown 13 touchdown passes, two more than second-place Joe Montana, who threw 11 touchdown passes in his four Super Bowls.

Put it all together, and Brady is 164-for-247 for 1,605 yards, with 13 touchdowns, in six Super Bowl games.

109 responses to “Tom Brady adding to a long list of Super Bowl records

  1. I hope they someday change the name of the “SuperBowl”so we can scratch all the wins off of anyone that ever won it,,like they did when they stopped calling it a league championship,,He’s the only one to play in 7 Super Bowls,,whata bunch of garbage

  2. For any ignorant hater, this is the first trial’s key admission:-
    Judge Berman: “What evidence…on January 18?”
    NFL lawyer Nash: “No, not for that specific game.”
    Judge Berman: “The Wells report relates to only one game. There is no finding in this case that there was anything done by Mr. Brady.”

    And the 2nd court merely determined the Commissioner’s power to suspend, not Brady’s guilt – because (see above admission in 1st court).

    Meanwhile, the Jets were fined the correct $25k for their kicker’s ball-inflation scheme and Aron Rodgers was let off completely for his. Because in era of parity rules we must have parity dammit!

  3. Don’t forget the record 2 loses to Eli Manning and The New York Football Giants.
    No other Grestest Quarterback ever has done that with or without Bill Belichick!

  4. And to those who still think he is a “system quarterback”

    System QB’s do not put up those type of numbers.

  5. In the Red White and Blue corner, hails from San Mateo California. Uof M alumni. Man of many records. Friend of Don Trump. 4 time Champion of the WOOOOOOOORLD, Terrific Tom BRAAAAAADY!!!

  6. GOAT

    Who is “Peyton”? Oh yea, guy in the commercial, the guy who retired, the guy who will never be Bradys equal…there is only one GOAT.

  7. I hope they someday change the name of the “SuperBowl”so we can scratch all the wins off of anyone that ever won it,,like they did when they stopped calling it a league championship,,He’s the only one to play in 7 Super Bowls,,whata bunch of garbage

    Garbage, is believing that 200lb men that didn’t workout would be able to compete in today’s NFL Probably 10% of those players would be able to make a team today and most would not be major contributors.

    The game as evovled, players are bigger, faster and much better trained. Let’s not forget free agency and salary cap.
    Entirely more difficult to do what the Patriots are doing now than what teams did in the 30’s-60’s!

  8. “Brady and former 49ers quarterback Joe Montana are the only players to win the Super Bowl Most Valuable Player award three times.”
    ________________________

    Those 16 completions for 145 yards and a td sure are super bowl worthy mvp stats from 2002. Should of went to Ernie Adams for amazing filming of Rams practice and walk throughs.

  9. Yes giants, you did beat us twice. We lost to the better team THAT DAY. And yes we have also had losses to Peyton that were difficult pills to swallow…..

    But tom has many rings as Peyton and Eli…….

    More rings that chuck it Up Flacco and Ben combined..

    More rings in the last 30 years than the combined ring total of the AFC North and AFC North, NFC East, NFC Weat, NFC South. Just saying….one Team t E A M as in TEAM.

  10. Remember when:
    …31 teams had 5+ rounds to draft Brady.
    …the NYJs allowed Parcells to hamfist Belichick forcing him to resign
    …Boston media demanded Bledsoe be reinstalled as starting QB
    …National media belittled “Grumpy Belichick”

  11. All the people leaving the same old tired, pathetic, disparaging remarks are the same people telling kids, friends, family they watched him play some day.

    Jealousy.

  12. While I believe Brady is GOAT, any of the 6 super bowls could have gone the other way. With a couple plays (kicks, catches) he could be 1 and 5 or even 6 and 0.

    In SB 49, I still think the Butler interception balanced out the crazy Kearse catch (which was more luck than skill) and made up for the Tyree and Manningham catches.

  13. tnyfg says:
    Jan 24, 2017 7:53 AM
    Don’t forget the record 2 loses to Eli Manning and The New York Football Giants.
    No other Grestest Quarterback ever has done that with or without Bill Belichick!
    ——————–
    Hopefully basking in that glory does it for you every time Brady and the Pats are prepping for the SuperBowl while Eli and your Gints are on vacation.

    G.O.A.T….Go Pats!

  14. If he’s around much longer it’s going to take the next 2 guys to equal his accomplishments. And to think the league has Mo Lewis to thank for all this.

  15. …and he is not done yet. Scary.
    If BB opted for field goals against the Broncos last season, which they lost by 2 points, Brady could have been in the SB 3 straight years.
    Brady is a breathing monument.

  16. I’m a big Pats fan from New Hampshire, and a fan of TB12.

    But… don’t you think it the least bit presumptuous to make a prediction that Brady could win another SB MVP? From a purely statistical point of view, the odds are stacked against that happening. To begin with, the Falcons have nearly a 50% chance of winning. Beyond that, one of the other Patriots could step up and be the MVP.

    I’d surely like to see it go down that way, with NE winning and Brady having the game of his career, I just wouldn’t want to jinx it by saying so out loud. This is the 9th inning and Brady is pitching football’s version of a no hitter.

  17. wozzmann1955 says:
    Jan 24, 2017 7:45 AM
    I hope they someday change the name of the “SuperBowl”so we can scratch all the wins off of anyone that ever won it,,like they did when they stopped calling it a league championship,,He’s the only one to play in 7 Super Bowls,,whata bunch of garbage

    If they change it, it would be to the Belichick Trophy

  18. Here’s a couple of other stats:

    Most Superbowl losses in the last 10 years: Brady

    Most Superbowl wins in the last 10 years: Tie. Peyton Manning and Eli Manning.

    Quarterbacks suspended for 4 games in the last 10 years: Tie. Brady and Roethlisberger.

  19. I could envision the Patriots winning and Brady playing great but they award the MVP to someone else, a la Dion Branch in 2005.
    Nothing wrong w/ giving it to Branch (130+ yards) but I thought that was Brady’s best Super Bowl to that point; better than the previous two where he had won the MVP.

  20. No question he’s one of the greatest of all time. He may well even be THE greatest – but that’s another argument, and a couple of other QB’s are legitimately in that discussion, like it or not.

    But the last time I checked, it’s a team game. How many Super Bowls does Brady win if he had spent his career with the Browns? Yeah, I thought so – so let’s give the real GOAT here its due:

    I don’t like the Patriots, but I respect them – and I’ll freely admit this:

    The true GOAT here is the Patriots organization from top to bottom. The consistent success of that team since their first Super Bowl win has been incredible.

  21. Players drafted #1 since 200 when Brady was picked at 199
    Jameis Winston
    Jadeveon Clowney
    Eric Fisher
    Andrew Luck
    Cam Newton
    Sam Bradford
    Matthew Stafford
    Jake Long
    JaMarcus Russell
    Mario Williams
    Alex Smith
    Eli Manning
    Carson Palmer
    David Carr
    Michael Vick
    Courtney Brown

    Only Eli has had any success against TB and Newton played in 1 SB. There are literally hundreds of players drafted higher than Brady who are no longer in the NFL. Remember when it was trendy to say Vick was the new blueprint for QB’s and pocket passers were passé?

  22. Otto Everett Graham Jr.
    Graham is regarded by critics as one of the most dominant players of his era, having taken the Browns to league championship games every year between 1946 and 1955, winning seven of them. With Graham at quarterback, the Browns posted a record of 114 wins, 20 losses, and four ties, including a 9–3 win–loss record in the playoffs. While most of Graham’s statistical records have been surpassed in the modern era, he still holds the NFL record for career average yards gained per pass attempt, with 8.98. He also holds the record for the highest career winning percentage for an NFL starting quarterback, at 0.814.

    Awww sorry Browns fans,,because it wasnt called The “Super Bowl” back then your championships dont count

  23. sportsfan178 says:
    Jan 24, 2017 8:32 AM
    I hope they someday change the name of the “SuperBowl”so we can scratch all the wins off of anyone that ever won it,,like they did when they stopped calling it a league championship,,He’s the only one to play in 7 Super Bowls,,whata bunch of garbage

    Garbage, is believing that 200lb men that didn’t workout would be able to compete in today’s NFL Probably 10% of those players would be able to make a team today and most would not be major contributors.

    The game as evovled, players are bigger, faster and much better trained. Let’s not forget free agency and salary cap.
    Entirely more difficult to do what the Patriots are doing now than what teams did in the

    You seem to have missed the point of my post,,I am well aware these guys nowadays are faster stronger etc,,what I dont care for is the growing belief that if it was not called a SB , then it’s not worth anything according to some here

  24. Please.

    I get being a fan. I’m a fan of my team too. But get real. Montana played against a much more stacked deck. Does anyone think Welker or Edelman would even play back then, let alone survive Ronnie Lott? Brady couldn’t be Brady if he had to deal with that. Manning either, for that matter.

    Sorry, Montana is the greatest, indisputable, even if the Patriots win. The man never lost a bowl for crying out loud. Certainly would not have been owned by Eli.

  25. It wouldn’t be a Brady article without somebody resurrecting the long-debunked myth about “taping the Rams practice and walkthrough”.

    Marshall Faulk still believes that, even though it never happened. I guess when you figure you can choose to believe what makes you feel happy, that’s where you end up.

  26. Im not saying the Patriots win. I think they will..but we’ll see. Since I am so used to them winning superbowls..I think Gooddell handing Tom the trophy will be more satisfying than the actual win itself.

  27. Not to take ANYTHING away from the great Tom Brady, but just the memory that they gave the MVP award to Rice because they wanted to change it up.

  28. orange and blue own the nfl says:
    Jan 24, 2017 10:12 AM
    Please.

    I get being a fan. I’m a fan of my team too. But get real. Montana played against a much more stacked deck. Does anyone think Welker or Edelman would even play back then, let alone survive Ronnie Lott? Brady couldn’t be Brady if he had to deal with that. Manning either, for that matter.

    Sorry, Montana is the greatest, indisputable, even if the Patriots win. The man never lost a bowl for crying out loud. Certainly would not have been owned by Eli.
    ———-

    It’s funny because the Giants were Joe’s kryptonite too, knocked Joe out of the play offs 3 times

  29. jchipwood says:
    Jan 24, 2017 8:34 AM
    “Brady and former 49ers quarterback Joe Montana are the only players to win the Super Bowl Most Valuable Player award three times.”
    ________________________

    Those 16 completions for 145 yards and a td sure are super bowl worthy mvp stats from 2002. Should of went to Ernie Adams for amazing filming of Rams practice and walk throughs.
    _______________________________________

    The reality is that Brady’s stats didn’t earn that first SB MVP. The drive to get in position to win the game did. And the taping the Rams practices and walkthroughs was proven not to have happened. The Cameras were in place for filming the game but none of the camera power supplies were present during the Rams sessions. Apologies and retractions were issued because of this. And thanks again for your consistency in showing everyone you don’t know what you’re talking about.

  30. I continue to believe that Joe Montana is the greatest of all time. Not only did he never lose a Super Bowl, he won because of his actions and cool demeanor. He won two Super Bowls before Jerry Rice ever arrived. Brady has been the beneficiary of a genius coach and so many great players around him.

    HOWEVER, if the Patriots win this game and Brady looks even DECENT, Tom Brady takes the top spot. You can’t ignore five Super Bowl wins and the longevity of his career (without losing a step). The list will then be:

    1. Brady
    2. Montana
    3. Manning
    4. Favre
    5. Unitas
    6. Elway
    7. Staubach
    8. Marino
    9. Rodgers
    10. Brees

    After the top 3 I don’t think it really matters….

  31. I’ve been so very lucky to see some of the GREATEST ever players play in my lifetime in their respective sports:

    NFL – Brady, Montana
    NHL – Gretzky, Lemieux, Brodeur
    NBA – Magic, Bird, Jordan

  32. orange and blue own the nfl says:
    Jan 24, 2017 10:12 AM
    Please.

    I get being a fan. I’m a fan of my team too. But get real. Montana played against a much more stacked deck. Does anyone think Welker or Edelman would even play back then, let alone survive Ronnie Lott? Brady couldn’t be Brady if he had to deal with that. Manning either, for that matter.

    Sorry, Montana is the greatest, indisputable, even if the Patriots win. The man never lost a bowl for crying out loud. Certainly would not have been owned by Eli.
    ______________________________________

    The 49’ers didn’t play against Ronnie Lott. He played for them. And those Niners team were far more loaded than the Pats teams Brady has led as that was the pre-parity era. Plus I’d say getting to the Super Bowl and losing is still a greater accomplishment than your team not making it. This is Brady’s 7th. So along with an equal number of SB victories Brady has 3 more conference titles than Montana.

  33. To the “he has the easiest road” crowd:
    Every team in the league has the same opportunities at their disposal; draft, free agents, waiver, undrafted, trade. The Patriots, while not perfect, have made more out of these opportunities than the their division opponents and often are at disadvantage as their success limits their opportunities. Therefore they have earned it.

    To the ” system QB” crowd: Every team runs a system on both sides of the ball. Whether it’s the west coast offense, the 46 defense,wildcat or whatever, a system is only as good as its design and the execution by the players. You make it sound so simple that anyone could do it, yet in a league that historically has had copy cats, no one else seems to have successfully copied the Patriots system of quick, multiple reads and descision making

    To the ” he/they cheat’: Get over it. Educate yourself with an open mind and consider all of the facts. I would hate for any of you to be on anyone’s jury. Do they bend the rules? yup. Do they seek to take advantage of every rule? yup. As we’ve seen so does the rest of the league. All do it within the game. A number of coaches, head coaches, front office personnel and players have come and gone from this team and ended up elsewhere yet you never heard one speak of a culture of cheating here. Never.

    To the “Pat’s fans are arrogant aholes”: Yes we are but no different than any other fan base of any other league or college that has had similar success. Raiders, Duke, Yankees, Alabama, Canadiens ……….. The team is on a historic run, we enjoy it and we are passionate about it.

    To the Pat’s fans that whine and cry over how Brady and team are hated or treated: Get over it. It’s as a part of the game as everything else is and it’s part of their passion. Embrace the hate, it’s not personal and we’re fortunate beyond what we deserve. Continue to enjoy this incredible run. Stay classy New England.

  34. People sometimes don’t understand Brady has no problem running the ball on 3 straight plays inside the 5. He only cares about winning. I’ve watched Manning, Rodgers & Brees heaving it into the endzone from the 6″ line to continue to rack up TDs.

    Don’t believe me? Check out LeGarrett Blount’s stats this year:
    LGB led the entire league with 18 TDs!
    However he was outside the Top 10 in yards/game and in the bottom half of the league in yards/rush.

    To summarise, Brady gets the Patriots down the field, and LGB gets the last 3 and the stat. If TB was selfish like some others, Blount would have had 8, instead of 18 and Brady would have had 38 to 2 Ints(In only 12 games). The numbers just do not lie. TB is a freaking selfless monster of our generation.

  35. As Brady approaches 40 (and has never played better), after all he endured this year (including the questionable suspension), after Goodell sheepishly hands him his 5th Lombardi (and likely SB 51 MVP), wouldn’t that be the ultimate time to ride off into the ultimate sunset? It just doesn’t get any better than this!

  36. orange and blue own the nfl says:
    Jan 24, 2017 10:12 AM
    Please.

    I get being a fan. I’m a fan of my team too. But get real. Montana played against a much more stacked deck. Does anyone think Welker or Edelman would even play back then, let alone survive Ronnie Lott?

    Yes, many people do. Edelman is much tougher than you are willing to admit. Montana was only good enough to make it to 4 SBs. He got sent home early in 83, 85, 86, 87, 90, 93 & 94. Didn’t make the playoffs in 82,91 or 92.

    Playoff records, Brady 33-9 overall (73%), Montana 16-8 (50%).

    Brady failed to make the playoffs only in 2002 and 2008 when injured. He was good enough to play in 6, scratch that, 7 Super Bowls , Montana only 4 while surrounded by all pros and HOF types. Randy Moss aside, tell me how many HOF candidates brady had to work with on offense?

  37. Sorry, Montana is the greatest, indisputable, even if the Patriots win. The man never lost a bowl for crying out loud.
    __________

    This is the minority opinion. And that minority is getting smaller and smaller everyday.

    Tom’s 7 SB appearances dwarfs Joe’s 4 “for crying out loud.” Tom’s 24 playoff wins dwarfs Joe’s 16 “for crying out loud.”

    Tom is the GOAT.
    And its not close.

  38. joetoronto says:
    Jan 24, 2017 10:23 AM
    Not to take ANYTHING away from the great Tom Brady, but just the memory that they gave the MVP award to Rice because they wanted to change it up.
    ================

    Not to take ANYTHING away from the great Joe Montana, but just the memory that they gave the MVP award to Deion Bleeping Branch because they wanted to change it up.

    Deion Branch 11 catches 133 yds 0 TD’s
    (56% of yds 0% of pts)

    Jerry Rice 11 catches 215 yds 1 TD
    (63% of yds 30% of pts)

  39. wozzmann1955 says:
    Jan 24, 2017 10:01 AM
    Otto Everett Graham Jr.

    Well if we’re going on an archeological dig then let’s include Twinkletoes Flintstone.

    But here’s some perspective,

    In 1985 the Fridge was one of if not the heaviest guy in football at around 300lbs, today 300lbs is average small for oline.

    There are tight ends today that could knock that tub on his keister. Or in other words, Brady is playing against players that could eat those 80’s guys as an appetizer. It’s Montana that would have had his career ended early if he played in Brady’s era.

  40. And Bart Starr still has five World Championships and is the leader in postseason QB rating.
    That last is especially amazing given that receivers were routinely beaten on and QBs were much less protected.

  41. OK PACKER FANS…..brady will be in his 7th super bowl , and may win his 5th ring….holds damn near every record, and you insist rogers is better than him? omg you are delusional

  42. orange and blue own the nfl says:
    Jan 24, 2017 10:12 AM
    Please.

    Sorry, Montana is the greatest, indisputable, even if the Patriots win. The man never lost a bowl for crying out loud. Certainly would not have been owned by Eli.

    ——————

    That is because the Giant thwarted Montana’s ability to even make it to the SB more than 4 times…. Unless you think not making it is better than making it an losing…..Brady is the clear winner here.

  43. toolfan74 says:
    Jan 24, 2017 8:41 AM

    Is he holding his car keys in this picture?
    —————————-

    Looks like it. Don’t they usually get a car or truck when they win the MVP?

  44. As a Raiders fan, I hated Brady after the “tuck rule”, or as I call it the “Brady fumbled”, game.

    At this point, no rational human being can make the case that Tom Brady is not the G.OA.T player and QB in the history of the NFL.

    Trolls will troll, but even his most vehement detractors know in their heart that he is the best, even if pride or jealousy won’t allow them to admit it or allow patriots fans to bask in it.

    It would probably be therapeutic for some fans, ex players, and pundits to get over it and give him the credit he deserves.

  45. As a Raiders fan, I hated Brady after the “tuck rule”, or as I call it the “Brady fumbled”, game.

    At this point, no rational human being can make the case that Tom Brady is not the G.OA.T player and QB in the history of the NFL.

    Trolls will troll, but even his most vehement detractors know in their heart that he is the best, even if pride or jealousy won’t allow them to admit it or allow patriots fans to bask in it.

    It would probably be therapeutic for some fans, ex players, and pundits to get over it and give him the credit that he deserves.

  46. Brady is the best in a decade.

    Montana is the best of all time. I can’t even image the numbers he would put up with the no touch QB and no touch/don’t hit too hard WR rules.

  47. orange and blue own the nfl says:
    Jan 24, 2017 10:12 AM
    Sorry, Montana is the greatest, indisputable, even if the Patriots win. The man never lost a bowl for crying out loud. Certainly would not have been owned by Eli.
    ++++++++++++++

    Brady didn’t lose to Eli, he was beaten by a couple of Giants D’s that played lights out. But if that’s the route you want to go let’s take a look at the Giants QB’s Montana ‘lost’ to. Are you of the opinion that Simms (2x) and Hostetler are headed to the HoF anytime soon? Brady certainly wouldn’t have been ‘owned’ by Phil Simms.

  48. hate goodell, but I wish he would come out and say “aaron has been good, but only when rules and flags aren’t enforced fairly. that stops with the 2017 season”

  49. deltaoracle says:
    Jan 24, 2017 11:23 AM
    And Bart Starr still has five World Championships and is the leader in postseason QB rating.
    That last is especially amazing given that receivers were routinely beaten on and QBs were much less protected.

    Haha get out of here with that junk. Let’s talk about the offense those Green Bay Packers ran back then…they had about 10 freakin’ plays. It’s night and day to compare that era to this era. The game has evolved so much since then that its hardly even comparable anymore. Btw, how many teams were even in the league then?

  50. Peyton Manning was the biggest fraud the NFL has ever seen. Glad to see Brady finally put the ridiculous argument to rest. Peyton isn’t even mentioned in the same breath as Brady anymore unless it’s by some disillusioned fan/sheep. Peyton’s horrible records like the 9 one and dones, most playoff pick sixes, two Super Bowl runs with more turnovers(11) than TDs(5), the most embarrassing blowout in a Super Bowl, and the WORST Super Performance we have ever seen by a winning QB(last year) will never be broken.

  51. Nevermind, I checked. In 1960, there were 13 teams in the league. 15 in 1966. I don’t want hear anymore comparison to teams from that era. There are now 32 NFL teams, all much more competitive than the teams of those days.

  52. jchipwood says:
    Jan 24, 2017 8:34 AM

    Those 16 completions for 145 yards and a td sure are super bowl worthy mvp stats from 2002. Should of went to Ernie Adams for amazing filming of Rams practice and walk throughs.

    ===========

    Debunked looooong ago. Boston Herald printed a front and back page retraction, an unprecedented move by a major metropolitan and nationally known newspaper. Try again, Marshall Faulk.

  53. Take any statement by a Patriots hater and add the words:

    “…because I said so!”

    For example:

    tnyfg says:
    Jan 24, 2017 7:53 AM

    Don’t forget the record 2 loses to Eli Manning and The New York Football Giants.
    No other Grestest Quarterback ever has done that with or without Bill Belichick…BECAUSE I SAID SO!

  54. He’s holding the keys for the crappy truck you get with the MVP award. Why bother? Doesn’t he just give it to the security guy on the way out?

    “Honey should we take the Bentley or that Chevy they gave you?”

  55. orange and blue own the nfl says:
    Jan 24, 2017 10:12 AM
    Sorry, Montana is the greatest, indisputable, even if the Patriots win. The man never lost a bowl for crying out loud. Certainly would not have been owned by Eli.

    =============

    Yea but Montana lost quite a few more times than Brady in earlier rounds of the playoffs. That’s not something to hang your hat on. And Brady wasn’t “owned by Eli”. He played 2 SB’s that were decided on weird plays that go the other way 99 times out of 100. Those are the breaks of the game. Hardly “owned”.

  56. orange and blue own the nfl says:
    Jan 24, 2017 10:12 AM
    Please.

    I get being a fan. I’m a fan of my team too. But get real. Montana played against a much more stacked deck. Does anyone think Welker or Edelman would even play back then, let alone survive Ronnie Lott?

    =======

    Uh, Montana didn’t have to face much Ronnie Lott, they were teammates for a most of their careers.

    Brady’s job is MUCH harder in that he has had to reinvent and break in new guys to throw to and on his O-Line because of the current cap and free agency, never mind Belichick’s tendency to get rid of good players before they get paid.

  57. newmancave2016 says:
    Jan 24, 2017 10:34 AM

    I continue to believe that Joe Montana is the greatest of all time. Not only did he never lose a Super Bowl, he won because of his actions and cool demeanor. He won two Super Bowls before Jerry Rice ever arrived. Brady has been the beneficiary of a genius coach and so many great players around him.

    ================

    Belichick is only 18-19 as Pats coach without Brady starting.

    Brady is the NFL all time leader in playoff 4th quarter comebacks.

    And Montana had much more talent and continuity around him than Brady because of the lack of modern free agency and the cap (and being in a league with fewer teams).

  58. deltaoracle says:
    Jan 24, 2017 11:23 AM
    And Bart Starr still has five World Championships and is the leader in postseason QB rating.

    Bart Starr was my first favorite player.

    But he played in an era with 16 teams and played 14 games. History is fun but please, it’s ancient history and not at all comparable to today’s game. He also got to play in 2 SB’s against a league that was still in it’s infancy.

  59. Record for most cheating scandals with the two highest of all time! Congrats tom! Keep plugging away with those screens and slants while true qb’s actually move around in the pocket, drop back and make real throws that ppl on this thread cant make. If tom was an MLB player he’d be the guy who bunts every single time, the guaranteed easy at bat.

  60. Thanks for proving my point unwittingly.

    The Giants D was devastating, and not even the best of that era. And the rules… Brady wouldn’t complete 1/2 his passes under those rules. & I love you guys pointing out Lott was a 9er lol…

    It’s a different game, Brady dominates the patty cake NFL, but would wither under the pressure Joe faced.

  61. orange and blue own the nfl says:
    Jan 24, 2017 1:09 PM
    Thanks for proving my point unwittingly.

    The Giants D was devastating, and not even the best of that era. And the rules… Brady wouldn’t complete 1/2 his passes under those rules. & I love you guys pointing out Lott was a 9er lol…

    It’s a different game, Brady dominates the patty cake NFL, but would wither under the pressure Joe faced.

    well that’s a fun game to play since there’s no way to prove it. I can just as easily say Montana wouldn’t survive today’s defenses. Joe’s west coast offense was tinker toys compared to today’s skyscraper offenses.

  62. orange and blue own the nfl says:
    Jan 24, 2017 1:09 PM

    did you not watch the beating your Donks put on Brady last year?

    big fan you must be

    Pats are on TV a lot, he gets pummeled alot, not sure why I keep reading stuff like this. Yeah the rules have changed but I see QBs getting beat up legally quite a bit and even illegally sometimes. I also read about the defenders who beat him up saying how tough he is, they cant believe he just keeps getting up

    Watch the games sometimes maybe

  63. Footballfanz says:
    Jan 24, 2017 1:05 PM

    Record for most cheating scandals with the two highest of all time! Congrats tom! Keep plugging away with those screens and slants while true qb’s actually move around in the pocket, drop back and make real throws that ppl on this thread cant make. If tom was an MLB player he’d be the guy who bunts every single time, the guaranteed easy at bat.

    ===========

    Guess who was #2 in the NFL in yards per attempt this year ?

    thanks for playing.

  64. bemylovetractor says:
    Jan 24, 2017 2:03 PM
    Joe Montana didn’t cheat, wasnt suspended by the NFL, and never lost a SB. End of story.

    So, Rice was lying about stickum?

  65. orange and blue own the nfl says:
    Jan 24, 2017 10:12 AM
    Please.

    I get being a fan. I’m a fan of my team too. But get real. Montana played against a much more stacked deck. Does anyone think Welker or Edelman would even play back then, let alone survive Ronnie Lott? Brady couldn’t be Brady if he had to deal with that. Manning either, for that matter.

    Sorry, Montana is the greatest, indisputable, even if the Patriots win. The man never lost a bowl for crying out loud. Certainly would not have been owned by Eli.

    Lol so many things wrong with this comment above. Montana had a team full of hall of famers, and jerry Rice. this was before free agency and the teams could keep their players. What Brady and the Patriots are doing is otherworldly. The team roster is pretty much overturned every few years with a few exceptions and they have consistently won 12+ games year in and year out.

    Yes we lost 2 to the Giants and their awesome interior pass rush, but you forget Brady put the pats up with little time left, and we lost on freak plays, a helmet catch, and a drop by edleman.

    Those are 2 superbowls that Montana never reached, instead he lost earlier in the playoffs. So you are gonna give more credit to losing in the divisional round or championship game than losing in the superbowl? Lol nice logic.

    Besides that the offenses and defenses are much more complex now, the patriots game plan week to week. This did not happen back in the 70’s 80’s and 90’s.

  66. bemylovetractor says:
    Jan 24, 2017 2:03 PM
    Joe Montana didn’t cheat, wasnt suspended by the NFL, and never lost a SB. End of story.

    Lol no instead he lost in earlier rounds in the playoffs so he didnt make it to those 2 extra superbowls. So you are saying that you give more credit to losing in divisional round games than you do getting to the superbowl?

    Also maybe you should do some research about the 49ers, Walsh was notorious at cheating.

    Bill Parcells an opportunity to return to one of his hobbyhorses today: That when he was coach of the Giants, 49ers coach Bill Walsh cheated by disabling the coaches’ booth-to-sideline communication system.

    Asked on ESPN to offer his thoughts on the fake injury controversy, Parcells pivoted to a different form of cheating.
    Parcells on Walsh and the 9ers
    “This kind of stuff has been going on in the NFL for quite some time, but it takes different forms,” Parcells said. “This is not just restricted to the defense. I know from past history in two playoff games, one of these teams that was famous for using a script, which they rehearsed with their team prior to the game — they knew exactly what they wanted to do — mysteriously, two years in a row, when the game started, their phones went down, which mandates that the other side put their phones down. Now, let me get this straight. You’ve got your script rehearsed, you know what you’re going to do, the defense doesn’t know what’s coming, but they have to take their phones off?”

    oh and the stickum thing.

    So yeah you wanna throw stones from a glass house?

  67. bemylovetractor says:
    Jan 24, 2017 2:03 PM

    Joe Montana didn’t cheat, wasnt suspended by the NFL, and never lost a SB. End of story.

    =============

    Montana admitted his lineman used silicon spray, Rice admitted he used stickum and Romanowski admitted he was a roid head.

    And Brady never cheated. Science and the decision by the NFL not to release their PSI logs exonerated Brady. It was only about the legal strength of the commissioner’s power under Article 46, that’s it.

  68. Even haters know deep down that Brady is the GOAT, their tears and whining just shows they are salty and agree with Brady being the GOAT, otherwise they wouldnt be here

  69. sportschatterdotco says:
    Jan 24, 2017 1:38 PM
    orange and blue own the nfl says:
    Jan 24, 2017 1:09 PM

    did you not watch the beating your Donks put on Brady last year?

    ****

    Again, my point exactly. If Brady had to face that every year, he wouldn’t be going to his 7th super bowl. And that was without his WRs getting clobbered every play the way they did in the 80’s.

    Like I said though, I get it. You guys are fans. I’d probably be saying the same thing. Objectively, what Marino did was more impressive than the Star Wars stuff of Brady, Manning & Brees, if only because of the patty cake rules now.

  70. 14 of last 15 super bowls = Brady, Manning or Ben.

    But tell me again about how the salary cap makes it harder for the teams at the top lol.

  71. orange and blue own the nfl says:
    Jan 24, 2017 1:09 PM
    Thanks for proving my point unwittingly.
    +++++++++++++

    LMAO, give you credit for working so hard at being a fraud. Your point of Brady being owned by Eli was ridiculous on it’s face, the illustration of Montana losing to Simms and Hostetler was just sauce for the goose. QB’s lose to defenses as you subsequently stated by what you brought up. If declaring victory made it so Rex Ryan would be undefeated, the Vikings trophy case would be full, Kim Jong-un would be king of the world and your screen name would be valid.

  72. orange and blue own the nfl says:
    Jan 24, 2017 2:58 PM

    14 of last 15 super bowls = Brady, Manning or Ben.

    But tell me again about how the salary cap makes it harder for the teams at the top lol

    ==========

    Retaining good players is invariably harder with cap and modern free agency. You’ve picked 3 players from 4 AFC teams arbitrarily. The NFC has had 12 different representatives in that time (13 including this year). And many teams have struggled to even make the playoffs the year after they have appeared . Super Bowl teams including the ’01 Pats, ’01 Rams, ’02 Bucs, ’02 Raiders, ’03 Panthers, ’04 Eagles, ’05 Steelers, ’06 Bears, ’07 Pats, ’08 Steelers, ’11 Giants, ’12 Ravens, ’15 Panthers, ’15 Broncos all missed playoffs the next year after appearing.

  73. Nothing arbitrary about it, that’s 15 years of the AFC super bowl reps!.

    The salary cap actually hurts lesser teams, and all the churn comes from the middle class. When the Rams have to pay Bradford MVP money, for example, they can’t invest in the rest of the team.

    Strictly from a cap viewpoint, Brady’s willingness to take less than market value is an anomalous boon to the Patriots and skews the comparison. Perfectly fair, btw, but it kills your cap argument.

  74. orange and blue own the nfl says:
    Jan 24, 2017 3:44 PM

    Nothing arbitrary about it, that’s 15 years of the AFC super bowl reps!.

    The salary cap actually hurts lesser teams, and all the churn comes from the middle class. When the Rams have to pay Bradford MVP money, for example, they can’t invest in the rest of the team.

    Strictly from a cap viewpoint, Brady’s willingness to take less than market value is an anomalous boon to the Patriots and skews the comparison. Perfectly fair, btw, but it kills your cap argument.
    ===================

    Not really. Would Brady’s job be harder or easier if he had the following teammates for a longer period of time: Milloy, McGinest, Law, Seymour, Vrabel, Samuel, Moss, Revis, Mankins, Vinatieri, Welker, Talib, Chandler Jones, Collins, Branch, Wilfork ?

    When you’re managing a winning team, your players become more attractive to other teams and the other teams throw more money at them and pry them away. And your always picking at the end of the draft rounds.

    And why no mention of the NFC turnover? And you didn’t address the numerous examples of Super Bowl teams that missed the playoffs the next year. Teams like Pittsburgh and New England are the exception, not the rule. Brady and Belichick are good at integrating new players. That is a credit to their abilities that not many other teams have been able to do.

  75. orange and blue own the nfl says:
    Jan 24, 2017 2:32 PM

    Again, my point exactly. If Brady had to face that every year, he wouldn’t be going to his 7th super bowl. And that was without his WRs getting clobbered every play the way they did in the 80’s.

    Like I said though, I get it. You guys are fans. I’d probably be saying the same thing. Objectively, what Marino did was more impressive than the Star Wars stuff of Brady, Manning & Brees, if only because of the patty cake rules now.

    =========

    Pats went 6-1 against top 10 defenses this year and 10-1 against the top 12. And they beat #1 twice scoring 27 and 34 against them.

  76. Not really. Would Brady’s job be harder or easier if he had the following teammates for a longer period of time

    ****

    How much harder would it be if he made market value? Do they win that last bowl w/o Browner? The cap argument works against you here.

    But you did hit on probably the most praiseworthy aspect of Belichick, he makes excellent personnel decisions. Most of those guys you listed dropped off the face of the earth after NE. Most old schoolers are too loyal.

  77. Pats went 6-1 against top 10 defenses this year and 10-1 against the top 12. And they beat #1 twice scoring 27 and 34 against them.

    ****

    That is impressive, didn’t realize that. But my whole argument is that defenses aren’t what they used to be. I mean, Stafford has more 5K yd seasons than Marino lol. Brees has what, half a dozen?

  78. Crazy that posters think it’s better to have only made it to 4 Super Bowls because you lost , and could not make it to the Super Bowl than to have played in a record SEVEN? That logic Is ridiculous!

  79. orange and blue own the nfl says:
    Jan 24, 2017 4:34 PM

    How much harder would it be if he made market value? Do they win that last bowl w/o Browner? The cap argument works against you here.

    But you did hit on probably the most praiseworthy aspect of Belichick, he makes excellent personnel decisions. Most of those guys you listed dropped off the face of the earth after NE. Most old schoolers are too loyal.

    =====

    “Most” of the players who left went to crappier teams and got paid which is precisely the point. Brady’s teams would have been MUCH better if the likes of those teammates were around for longer periods of time. Indisputable.

    At one point Brady’s #1 wideout was Reche Caldwell…think about that. And if Caldwell didn’t drop a key pass in ’06 AFC title game, Pats go to the Super Bowl. If Branch was still on that team, it would have been easier but he was traded. Thus proving my point. And the ’11 defense was built on the cheap and was kinda crappy but Brady still got them to the SB.

    And Brady taking a under market value again is another sign of his greatness. He wants to win that bad and sacrifices money to do it. And yes, they still win that last SB without Browner. He was a walking, talking PI penalty.

  80. orange and blue own the nfl says:
    Jan 24, 2017 4:41 PM

    Pats went 6-1 against top 10 defenses this year and 10-1 against the top 12. And they beat #1 twice scoring 27 and 34 against them.

    ****

    That is impressive, didn’t realize that. But my whole argument is that defenses aren’t what they used to be. I mean, Stafford has more 5K yd seasons than Marino lol. Brees has what, half a dozen?

    ======

    Agreed, passing records are not really comparable across eras. The league knows offense sells so they skewed the rules that way.

  81. Run run Trolls…The big bad Patriots are coming! Using puffs of air, warm Gatorade and missing helmet stickers to defeat your teams!

    Surprisingly, crybaby Trolls posting on a message board is not having an effect on the Patriots. Hummm. You must not be whining hard enough. Next season don’t change a thing, keep denying 100+ years of proven science and try restating the already proven NFL/ESPN lies again again. It will bring the Patriots and Patriot fans to their knees!

    Ahhh,hahahahahah!

    Trolls Lose Again!

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