Marshall Faulk still thinks the Patriots filmed the Rams’ practice

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No evidence has ever emerged to suggest that the Patriots actually filmed the Rams’ final practice before the Super Bowl in 2002. But the rumor has been out there since the Spygate story broke in 2007, and former Rams running back Marshall Faulk still believes it.

Faulk still thinks former Patriots employee Matt Walsh taped the Rams’ practice the day before the Patriots beat the Rams in the Super Bowl, even though Walsh told the NFL no such tape ever existed.

“[The practice] before the Super Bowl,” Faulk said. “The guy who worked for the Patriots. If you remember, that was someone mysteriously living in Hawaii, who made his way back to the states and delivered the tapes. [Roger] Goodell then watched those tapes and said there wasn’t enough there to deem anything being done. Now, I didn’t see what was on the tapes, because we didn’t get to see that. The only thing I could say is that they taped our practice. That was wrong.”

Faulk was asked if he “believed” the Rams’ practice was taped.

“I don’t believe anything. I’m just telling you the facts,” Faulk said.

The facts are that the newspaper that reported the Patriots had taped the Rams’ practice later apologized and acknowledged the story was false. Faulk is entitled to his own opinion, but not entitled to his own facts, and on this one he got the facts wrong.

307 responses to “Marshall Faulk still thinks the Patriots filmed the Rams’ practice

  1. This stuff will never go away. No one seems to be talking about the colts possibly piping in crowd noise. No one saying the falcons were caught piping in crowd noise.

  2. It’s probable. Patriot fans will try to deflect and subvert as always but the other year ESPN (surprising) actually produced a pretty detailed report that goes into how bad Spygate actually was, Goodell being the mannequin of the owners however covered it up massively to save the NFL’s PR. So now with Spygate (tired of gate) and everything else you don’t even know what to believe, that falls on the Owners and Goodell, more on the owners. My guess people like Mara, Jones, Kraft, probably Bud Adams, maaaaybe Davis, etc., either ways Goodell was a year or so into being commissioner. The lack of blowback was probably the reason why Deflategate (still tired of gate) was so blown up.

    Here’s paraphrased line on the report from another outlet, “The Patriots’ taping apparently went undetected until 2006, when Packers security caught cameraman Matt Estrella filming illegally. (He claimed he was merely taking scenic shots for “Kraft Productions.”) That offseason, the NFL warned the Patriots in writing. Before the next year’s opener the Jets set up a sting operation, with the assistance of team and NFL security, to catch the Patriots in the act.

    They caught Estrella filming, and actively trying to hide his employer.”

  3. Sore loser. Can’t live with the truth of a one year dynasty. The Rams were completely shut down two years later when the greatest show on turf proved to be a one year wonder. At least Warner went on to take the Cardinals to a super bowl and almost won it. Faulk became a talking head and an apologist for the Colts and Rams failures during his tenure.

    Belichick has proven he is the GOAT. He has shut down the other team’s best players in the biggest games He did it again two weeks ago against the Steelers and the Falcons are respectively working hard trying to keep him from doing it to them two days from now.

  4. The Patriots DID cheat we know this.
    Taping a Rams practice? Easy to believe.

    Think about it: When you’re facing a more talented offense, would it help to have an idea what the plays are that that offense is running? Obviously.

    Belichick is like the Computer Hacker/KGB of coaches.

  5. …Faulk is entitled to his own opinion, but not entitled to his own facts, and on this one he got the facts wrong.

    You have not been paying attention Mr. Smith. Although Alternative Facts are all the rage these days in a variety of fields, Marshall Faulk, Goodell and his minions, and a lengthy list of Patriots envying trolls on this site and throughout the football world have been practicing that art for years now.

  6. That was the Super Bowl where Martz refused to run the ball even though the Patriots were going nickel and dime defense the entire game. I would think Faulk would be talking more about that.

  7. Someone needs to send some cheese to Faulk to go with his consistent whine.

    It’s been 16 years, get over it already. Other than the Patriots didn’t tape the walkthrough, as the Herald noted in a retraction, the Rams thoroughly outplayed the Patriots, the Patriots only scored 6 points in the second half. Only time they moved the ball was during the last drive to get a FG. The Rams lost because they turned the ball over. 2 Interceptions (1 returned for a TD) and 1 fumble. Patriots had no turnovers, that’s the reason for the loss, not some phantom tape of the walkthrough.

  8. What a cry baby. He should work for the nfl since he is good at making up his own facts to fit his personal complaints. The Pats won on a last second field goal – it doesn’t get any closer than that. Get a new hanky a keep crying !!

  9. Ah, yes the yearly “Patriots filmed the Rams’ practice”

    From Faulk. it just wouldn’t be the Superbowl without this little nugget from Marshal. Never let facts get in the way Faulk.

  10. Conspiracy theorists aren’t beholden to logic.

    I don’t care one way or the other, but Roger’s decision to destroy the tapes only fueled this kind of thing. It could’ve been handled better.

  11. Goodell shouldn’t have immediately destroyed those tapes. Only the patriots know to what extent they were cheating. I get it, he didn’t want to start his tenure with having to strip teams of titles or asterisks but now he has no proof of what they’ve done while looking like a bitter, spiteful guy. He probably did unjustly go after the patriots with deflategate only because of how big the grenade was he jumped on for them ten years ago. I wish someone who was there would tell us exactly what all they found.

  12. As with anyone that goes by three names, let it go MDS. Button your cuff links, smooth your dickie, and let it go. And rent a skin instead of hovering over the monitor like a 8 year old looking for “likes”.

  13. Sore loser. Snowflake. Whats the matter, didnt get your way? Get some crayons, a safe room, you know the drill, you see the sore loser snowflakes whining and throwing temper tantrums everyday.

  14. Patriots jealousy is nationwide. LOVE IT. Marshall Faulk is just another Patriot hater. LOVE IT.

    If they filmed the walkthrough, they should have won by at least 20. Get over Faulk….the Patriots are THAT GOOD….catch up to us NFL and stop whining……….

  15. Hehe, alternative facts. Like the IGL that the millenials quote? The same law that stipulates how a Ideal Gas behaves. A IDEAL GAS. Look up Ideal gas. Atmosphere isn’t there.

  16. Is Marshall Faulk dumb or what? No wonder the Rams lost that game to the 14 point underdog Patriots with a dummy like that in the backfield.

  17. And we will never know as Goodell destroyed all of the tapes. Who does that? I’m guessing it was going to damage the integrity of the game so best to destroy evidence than to hurt your product.

  18. LOL…..still crying about being outplayed….I love it
    “I believe what I choose to believe”… ” no matter what the reality is”…..Should be the motto of so many of the fans out there that are jealous & envious of the Pats continued success…..
    16 years of dominance can do that I guess….
    I absolutely LOVE being a Patriots fan & seeing how it drives so many off the deep end that post here….as well as Marsha still snibbiling of course!!!!!
    Go Pats!!!!

  19. You do know Marshall that you are pissed off because BB targeted you specifically and held you in check most of the game. The Rams dominated the STATs, Kurt Warner threw 355 yards (Brady 145)..the difference? Kurt threw a pic 6 and another INT along with a fumble in Patriots territory. That’s just physical football. The FACT is the newspaper guy’s are always trying to make the news during Superbowl week, cause a distraction so the teams have to answer stupid questions all week on made up stuff. Like Tom Brady said Monday “This isn’t the Superbowl” when being interviewed. Dang, the best question of the night came from a 7 year old, goes to show how important these media guys are

  20. It’s probable. Patriot fans will try to deflect and subvert as always but the other year ESPN (surprising) actually produced a pretty detailed report that goes into how bad Spygate actually was.

    ———————————-

    No, espn wrote a report that chronicled the vast rumors and conspiracy theories that exist throughout a group of people who can’t understand why the Patriots continue to win at unparalleled levels. Anonymous accusations with no proof are easy to make but are not facts.

    The NFL showed the spygate tapes at the press conference announcing the punishment. Camera shows the clock, then the hand signals on the sideline during games. The same hand signals 80,000 people can see.

    It was not and is not illegal to film the coaches signals. It’s illegal to do it from certain locations, including the sidelines. The pats broke the location rule. Get over it, they are just better than your team.

  21. it is what it is. Sore losers confirming the Patriots dominance. There, I bottled it up for you. Tastes like tears of the entitled. A lot of that going around nowadays. Enjoy the super bowl.

  22. It’s probable. Patriot fans will try to deflect and subvert as always but the other year ESPN (surprising) actually produced a pretty detailed report that goes into how bad Spygate actually was, Goodell being the mannequin of the owners however covered it up massively to save the NFL’s PR. So now with Spygate (tired of gate) and everything else you don’t even know what to believe, that falls on the Owners and Goodell, more on the owners. My guess people like Mara, Jones, Kraft, probably Bud Adams, maaaaybe Davis, etc., either ways Goodell was a year or so into being commissioner. The lack of blowback was probably the reason why Deflategate (still tired of gate) was so blown up.

    Here’s paraphrased line on the report from another outlet, “The Patriots’ taping apparently went undetected until 2006, when Packers security caught cameraman Matt Estrella filming illegally. (He claimed he was merely taking scenic shots for “Kraft Productions.”) That offseason, the NFL warned the Patriots in writing. Before the next year’s opener the Jets set up a sting operation, with the assistance of team and NFL security, to catch the Patriots in the act.

    They caught Estrella filming, and actively trying to hide his employer.”

    The only part that they for got to mention is that it was NOT against the rules, With the exception of half of one game that they were caught taping in the wrong place section, That also is the thing, it is still legal to tape the other teams.
    Belichick system leaves no stone unturned and players buy into into…..16 years of proven greatness. Sorry your team sucks!

  23. let’s say they did……MOVE ON…….one of the many reasons I never ever watch NFL network. On Gameday it is all these clowns with cute ear rings, stories, “when i played” blah blah blah….

    if i recall they played the Rams tough that year in Foxboro, i may have years mixed up, so i guess they filmed Rams walk in before that game too…

    get over it

    is it Foxboro or Foxborough ?

  24. I thought all the deranged and butt-hurt losers were blaming Russians now, little did I know that they are still pointing fingers at the Patriots for their own failings.

  25. According to the annual survey by Public Policy Polling, the Patriots are the most hated team in the NFL for a second year in a row. Just 77% want to see them win the Super Bowl while 73% are rooting for Atlanta.

    America hates cheaters!

  26. According to the annual survey by Public Policy Polling, the Patriots are the most hated team in the NFL for a second year in a row. Just 7% want to see them win the Super Bowl while 73% are rooting for Atlanta.

    America hates cheaters!

  27. To the haters:
    Don’t belittle yourselves with constant whining, crying and excuses.

    Really. Kiss the Rings, sigh and move on.
    It will do you good. You can have a real life.

  28. “No evidence has ever emerged..” Well of course not, all the evidence was destroyed. The true statement would be, the extent of the Patriots illegal filming will never be known because all evidence was intentionally destroyed. We know during the time period they were illegally filming teams. Other than that, Roger worked with Kraft and the rest is history. I don’t like but, but it was clearly a PR move to try and contain the fires.
    Let’s just move on and stop rehashing this crap. I’ll be so happy when Belicheck and Brady are gone so we can stop reviving every other Pats -gate.

  29. So the Pats fans believe Goodell “the liar” when he says there was nothing suspicious about the tape but don’t believe Goodell and he has a vendetta against them when he said Brady was less than honest about deflating the footballs.

  30. Ridiculous that Goodell destroyed the evidence….he obviously participated in covering something up, what a hack

  31. Former Pats Film Department Matt Walsh said….

    “If I had a reason to want to go public, or tell a story, I could have done it before it even broke,” Walsh told ESPN.com. “I could have said everything rather than having [Jets coach Eric] Mangini be the one to bring it out.

    “If they’re doing a thorough investigation — they didn’t contact me. So draw your own conclusions. Maybe they felt they didn’t need to. Maybe the league feels they got satisfactory answers from everything the Patriots sent them.”

  32. …and Patriots fans are the ones being scolded to “move on,” reminded that “it’s over,” and told to “let it go”???

    Deflategate is not over, as this April, the Pats will lose a 4th-round draft pick from the stupid thing. But it’s been 15 years since Marshall Faulk was beaten with a stick (or rather a Willie McGinest) in that Super Bowl – fair and square.

  33. Faulk is a fine example of everything wrong with this country.

    People used to lose a game and act like men about it. Now all there is is excuse making and waa waa they cheated. Its easy to throw this out there and let the morons feast on it as if it actually happened.

    Every time he brings this up he humiliates himself and his former teammates.

    I’ve got a newsflash for Faulk. Hundred million dollar companies or whatever the Herald was worth at the time do not issue front page retractions and apologies and fire the reporter involved unless they are absolutely sure there is and never was any evidence. They open themselves up to huge corporate liability by doing so.

  34. It’s a tradition to hear him piss and moan every year. Thank good we had the better Faulk on our side. Even after 16 years, Marshall is still mad, bro. Come visit your cousin Kevin anytime you want to see what a champion looks like, Marshy

  35. Marshall Faulk sounds like a guy that would believe anything he reads on the internet. Imagine having a strong case in court and having a guy like him as a juror?

  36. So the thought is that the Patriots watched a tape of a walk through on the day before the Super Bowl, and that was sufficient to quickly update his game plan (that he had worked on since the AFCCG) to ultimately shut down the Rams prolific offense completely for 3 quarters, and hold them to only 17 total points? Then Bill really is the greatest coach of all time!

  37. First, they did. Second, to all of you complaining about people not letting the “gates” go, you’re aiming it at the wrong people. Do you think Goodell just wants to talk about this stuff? Do you think Faulk just wants to talk about it? No. The weasels in the media keep bringing it up because it gets Patriots haters clicking and commenting on websites and Patriots fans responding. I’m not a Patriots fan but I’m surrounded by them and not a single one ever talks about Goodell or even says anything bad about him in regards to deflategate. They’ve moved on. The media, who will never refuse an opportunity to increase ad revenue with click bait, are the ones who refuse to let it go.

  38. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA. Loser

  39. I’m sorry, MDS but I “believe” there is more to the story than your synopsis. I’m not saying what you said was incorrect, but I think deflategate cast light on the Rams Super Bowl in that process as well.

  40. Faulk is a tool. I remember him clowning on Romo all those years saying he needs to consult with winners. He went on to mention that for his own Super Bowl run he confided in Eric Dickerson. How many SBs did Dickerson win, Marshall?

    Also dear Patriot fans… unless you’re a from Massachusetts, you’re either a:
    – Woman
    – Child
    Or
    – A man who started watching football after 2001

    Which one is it?

  41. There will be a generation worth of losers, crybabies, and whiners by the time that Belichick and Brady retire.

    Man up losers, and accept defeat at the hands of a superior opponent.

  42. Faulk was embarrassed that day both physically (BB had the Pats absolutely blow him up on every play to disrupt the Rams high-flying offense) and preparation-wise. The team famously expected to show up merely to “collect their damn trophy “.
    The Pats clearly out prepared the Rams for that game and pulled off one of the great upsets in SB history.

    There is no doubt in my mind that this accounts for his saltiness. Many pro athletes have spent there whole lives getting exactly what they want and when something doesn’t go their way, then they must have been wronged somehow.

    You weren’t nearly as prepared as you could have been Marshall and you were literally stunned both physically and mentally by the New England game plan. Quit being such a baby about it.

  43. And what exactly did the Rams try to do in the Superbowl on offense they didn’t do all year? They didn’t overhaul their offense for the Superbowl. If anything they became more one dimensional during the game than they were all year.

    On the other hand, if I’m a former Pats player this guy is such a sore loser that I would keep whispering to him that it really happened just to keep him whining.

  44. Lets say it’s true the Patriots taped the Rams….they STILL had to execute, and if I recall, Adam Vinateri had to nail a 47 yard FG (something Scott Norwood could’nt do under pressure). The fact is the Patriots play great under pressure.

  45. I just watched the NFL films highlights of that game. The best Faulk moment was him getting plowed over by Mike Vrabel in slow motion.

  46. He’s no crazier than current Rams defensive end William Hayes, who believes dinosaurs are a hoax but mermaids are real. I agree with others who say that the Rams lost because they refused to run the ball. How does Faulk only get 17 carries when the Patriots were giving the run?

  47. The patriots are winners. The NFL demands parity. The Patriots dont allow that due to their continued success. A story about them is way more hyped than any other. Carolina heating balls on the sidelines was a non story. Imagine the Patriots did that. Imagine Belichick went onto the field to trip a player. Imagine the Patriots piping in crowd noise. Imagine they had a bunch of Roid users. Its a much bigger deal when its the Patriots because they are so good. Deflategate was a joke. Theres no evidence on this story..the newspaper even admits its not true..yet..the Rams lost..so now they act like children and blame something else. Pathetic

  48. Faulk needs to at least get in record and support that while Matt Walsh was found not to tape the walk through, he was there illegally with 2 other Patriot staff and observed it, took notes and shared with Offensive co-ordinator. I’d say an act of cheating occurred. Most rational folks would agree.

  49. Waa ! Waa ! We were supposed to win ! We were the Greatest Show on Turf. Waa ! They cheated ! Waa !
    Good Lord, you lost. You got beat. It happens.

  50. This stuff will never go away. No one seems to be talking about the colts possibly piping in crowd noise. No one saying the falcons were caught piping in crowd noise.
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    Something else no one talks about: There’s a Judy Batista story from January 2002 that mentions someone filming a Patriots practice from a hotel window and fleeing when they were noticed. So, Faulk is right, someone was cheating in SB36; His Rams were and they still lost.

  51. randytheraiderloveboy says:
    Feb 3, 2017 6:32 AM
    Man, I would be so embarrassed to admit I was a Pats fan.
    ======================================
    At this point, we embrace your hate and jealousy. As a matter of fact, the Raiders and their fans were the biggest whiners for years on the tuck rule.

    The bigger problem today is that everyone wants an excuse why they lose. It’s never about taking responsibility for your own losses. The Rams, Steelers, Ravens, and Panthers are all excuse makers. Come to think of it, this is societal as demonstrated by those who don’t accept election results.

  52. tigerwoodsballs says:
    Feb 3, 2017 6:33 AM
    The Patriots DID cheat we know this……..Think about it: When you’re facing a more talented offense, would it help to have an idea what the plays are that that offense is running? Obviously………Belichick is like the Computer Hacker/KGB of coaches.
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    Predictably irrational conclusion based upon a logical but inapplicable statement supported by a presumed nefarious ability of a better prepared opponent.

    Can Belichick unlock your thought process and hence your probable game plan after watching your first five plays? Yes.

    Could it help if he was provided the game plan ahead of the game? Possibly, if his players executed perfectly which as described by tigerwoodsballs was beyond their ability.

    Is there an alternate conclusion as to why the Patriots won? Yes, three opposition turnovers by a better coached team.

    Give it up Faulk, the Patriots beat you on the field and in your heads.

  53. Isnt it interesting that the purer than snow Patriots have had all of these “allegations” of cheating levied against them ever since their previously unsuccessful coach was hired……Dont recall people talking about the team in that regard previous to the “Hoodie”….

  54. Marshall – it was 15 years ago and I doubt whether Bill Belichick would ever admit it, even if it happened. Time to put it behind and concede that the Patriots actual won the game.

  55. The problem with sore losers like Faulk is the same problem that a lot of excuse-makers have in life. It’s a “human condition” issue more than anything. He was so convinced that the Rams should have won because on paper, it said so. Not unlike the Pats/Giants game in 2007, where they were the better team, but got beat that day.

    Anyone who watched that 2001 Super Bowl saw that the Pats defense was underrated and up-and-coming, and they were hitting like trucks. The Rams were not used to being in a contest like that. Martz got outcoached by Belichick as well (not surprising), and the Patriots killed them in the turnover battle. I think the Rams would win 3 out of 4 times if they played that many, but not on that day.

    You lost fair and square. That Patriots squad and coach was better than you thought. You made the mistake of thinking you won before the game was played–we all witnessed the whole team’s demeanor and cavalier attitude before the game. (“Dynasty, baby. dynasty.” – Rams player quote. Still makes me smile!)

    Move on.

  56. tigerwoodsballs says:
    Feb 3, 2017 6:33 AM
    “The Patriots DID cheat we know this.”

    No. We don’t KNOW this. Exactly when did the Patriots cheat?

    Filming the opponent’s defensive signals is not against the rules. It wasn’t back then, and it still isn’t now. It’s called “scouting” and has been done since the beginning of sports.

    Why do you suppose it is that coaches always hide their mouth behind a clipboard when they talk to the players over a headset and call in plays? It’s because they know they are *always* being watched, and yes… they are always being taped.

    Even the supposed wrong location the Patriots were filming from (which was what they were excessively punished for, not the content of the tape) was not even a rule yet. It had been sent out by Goodell as a MEMO from the league, and had not been passed as a rule yet.

    The clear intent of the memo was to not gain a competitive advantage from any video acquired during a particular game. Belichick and the Patriots staff all testified that they did not use the video during the game it was acquired, so they were acting within the spirit and intent of the memo. That was not acceptable because… league parity. The Patriots were winning too much. They needed some league adjustment.

    Meanwhile during current football games, what exactly do you suppose the teams are reviewing on those league provided Microsoft Surface tablets during a game? Do you suppose it might be something besides video of the current game? The rule about not using electronic video during a game still exists, yet the league provides these tablets to review video during a game.

    Let’s not even start down the path of framegate. The main source of cheating going on in this league has been by the league front office. Integrity of the shield? What a joke.

    SMH

  57. The Patriots DID cheat we know this.
    Taping a Rams practice? Easy to believe.

    Think about it: When you’re facing a more talented offense, would it help to have an idea what the plays are that that offense is running? Obviously.

    Belichick is like the Computer Hacker/KGB of coaches.
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    I guess that the Seahawks must have had a mole in the Broncos organization when they thoroughly embarassed them in Super Bowl 48. That was the best offense the NFL had ever seen.

  58. Pats taped during a GAME. So but hurt losers extrapolate and say “yeah, they probably snuck in somehow and taped a walk through, more probable than not”. Losers.

  59. I am a Patriots fan, and I am embarrassed.
    Not for spygate…. But for getting to the superbowl year in and year out.

    Almost makes you feel bad for other teams.
    NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  60. More puzzling to me is the lack of coverage on Belichiks 6 chamber fistula. He’s hiding something!!!

  61. tjh6316 says:
    Feb 3, 2017 6:10 AM
    This stuff will never go away. No one seems to be talking about the colts possibly piping in crowd noise. No one saying the falcons were caught piping in crowd noise.

    ==============================

    The Falcons fully cooperated and accepted the penalties. Also it was a lower level employee who was fired.

    The Colts also fully cooperated and it was determined that a CBS feed was the issue. CBS acknowledged it was their fault so the NFL determined the Colts did nothing wrong.

    Why do Cheatriot fans convict all these other teams when there is no evidence but in their case there is evidence and the deflect the truth.

  62. If you remember, that was someone mysteriously living in Hawaii, who made his way back to the states and delivered the tapes.
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    LOLOLOLOL
    Anyone else find that funny? “Mysteriously”
    Is Hawaii Area 52 or something?

  63. Filming from the sideline wasn’t against the rules before 2007, regardless if you were trying to hide your employer or not.

    Filming opposing coaches has always and will always be legal. You realize they are in full view of 50000 people right?

    If Goodell, a second generation Patriots hater had evidence of the Patriots video taping practices the Pats would have lost 2 or 3 first round draft picks. As it is they were fined a first round draft pick for 30 feet.

  64. “Someone mysteriously living in Hawaii” ???

    Now it’s mysterious how millions of people live in Hawaii? Or that many hundreds of people are running around the stadium the day before the SuperBowl?

    How about this — if you unveiled anything new that you don’t want your opponent to know about during a walkthru in plain sight in a neutral stadium that was crawling with strangers before a big game, then you are an imbecile.

    Except you didn’t unveil anything unusual did you? Because Martz had the game plan set in stone long before you got there.

  65. heard the whole interview on weei last night. it was the incoherent ramblings of a tinfoil hat-wearing narcissist. how do these guys get tv jobs?

  66. Anyone who watched that game knows the reason the Rams lost was because the NE defense had Faulk and the receivers soiling their pants the whole game. Yes Faulk, it’s tough to win anything when you’re too busy getting your a@@ kicked on every down.

  67. Marshall’s best friend is the DT from the Rams who believes in mermaids and that dinosaurs never existed, so there’s that…

  68. Pathetic attempt to stay relevant. How about you get in the news for doing something meaningful? Throwing stones ain’t the way…

  69. ESPN produced a report? Certainly no reason to question its credibility then.

    We believe what we want to believe.

  70. Even if it were proven to be true, nothing would change. The Denver Broncos were found to be over the salary cap and paying players under the table during the seasons they won Super Bowls 32 & 33. They were fined by the NFL and lost draft picks – that’s it. They didn’t vacate those wins, and they weren’t forced to hand their rings over to the Packers & Falcons.

  71. Want an easy explanation as to why this was not made public? Millions of dollars are wagered each year on the Superbowl and the NFL will do whatever it takes to avoid being involved in a lawsuit from disgruntled losers that would argue they didn’t get a fair shake.

    So Goodell took one for the team (all 32 owners). He would have never allowed anyone to see the sheer depth and scope of the Patriots cheating. Plain and simple.

  72. I’m glad people won’t forget the Patriots cheating past but I also want to point out that if Mike Martz had run the damn ball the Rams would have won any way.

  73. tigerwoodsballs says:
    Feb 3, 2017 6:33 AM
    The Patriots DID cheat we know this.
    Taping a Rams practice? Easy to believe.

    Think about it: When you’re facing a more talented offense, would it help to have an idea what the plays are that that offense is running? Obviously.

    Belichick is like the Computer Hacker/KGB of coaches.
    ————————–
    Great logic, I feel so much better about the Pats 2 loses to the Giants knowing they must have cheated because New England was the far superior team. It all makes sense now, thanks.

  74. So, there’s no evidence of them taping, the guy who supposedly did it said it never happened- yet Faulk says the facts support his beliefs.

    Logic isn’t his strong suit is it?

  75. Do you think Marshall knows how wrong he is and can’t bring himself to admit it, or really believes what he says and is opting to live in willful ignorance? Either way, has to make for a strange existence.

  76. “…someone mysteriously living in Hawaii, who made his way back to the states…”

    Hey Faulk, Hawaii is part of the states.

  77. It’s quite plausible the Pats not only taped a Rams practice, but at least the first half of the Super Bowl as well. We’re talking about an organization which illegally taped even preseason games, so it’s not a reach at all.

    And they sure wouldn’t be using Matt Walsh to do the filming, and I can see the NFL either disposing of the evidence, or being reluctant to pursue the matter. I’ve seen regular season postgame video of other opposing coaches talking to Charlie Weis, and saying how the Pats seemed to know what was coming.

    There was also a decade-long gap between NE Super Bowl wins, which coincided with the end of the taping.

  78. He’s still letting the hate consume him after all this time. Time to let it go and stop this whining every time the Patriots make it to the Super Bowl. It’s pretty old.

  79. tigerwoodsballs says:
    Feb 3, 2017 6:33 AM
    The Patriots DID cheat we know this.
    Taping a Rams practice? Easy to believe.

    Think about it: When you’re facing a more talented offense, would it help to have an idea what the plays are that that offense is running? Obviously.

    Belichick is like the Computer Hacker/KGB of coaches.
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    Easy to believe – harder to prove. Which is exactly why Faulk and a ton of other whiners can’t get past it.

  80. This guy belongs in an institution with padded walls and should be sued for good measure.

    You can’t be paid by NFLN and slander people and an entire organization when it’s been proven time and again that stupid rumor was 100% false.

    Good lord, it was 15 years ago!!

    What a loser.

    It sucks to think that loser even has 1 ring.

    Even if it was true, the Walkthroughs ae about the first drive for a team.

    What the hell happened after the first drive, Marshall? You got slapped in the mouth, choked it down and turtled, and lost to a better TEAM.

    The arrogance of some of these players, disrespecting the team that beat them.

  81. The Patriots only legit SB is against the Seahags and the hags gave them that one. They cheated in the others,the evidence and their history doesn’t lie. Coward Goodell didn’t know how to handle it and Belicheck and Kraft bent him over.

    #Taintedrings.
    #Goodelltheclown

  82. Another Super Bowl. Another retreading of Marshall Faulk ranting about how the Patriots cheated. Despite nothing other than a gut feeling. Queue the mental images of him and Shannon Sharpe holding hands skipping down the street while singing about how much the Patriots cheated despite never being able to prove any of it.

  83. absolutevisuals says:
    Feb 3, 2017 6:27 AM

    Here’s paraphrased line on the report from another outlet, “The Patriots’ taping apparently went undetected until 2006

    _________________________

    A point omitted there is that the report also pointed out that all taping up through 2006 was legal.

  84. In spite of a front and back page retraction by the Herald (it’s a tabloid style paper) and an interview with the NFL by the supposed culprit where he went on record that it never happened this foolishness persists. It is the worst kind of sore loser sour grapes bs. Just one question for the tin foil hat wearing ‘Kraft runs the NFL’ crowd: If Kraft controls everything how is it that Faulk still has a job at the NFLN?

  85. “I’ve seen regular season postgame video of other opposing coaches talking to Charlie Weis, and saying how the Pats seemed to know what was coming”.

    What are you, a professional lip reader? Or where exactly did you see this post game video with audio clear enough to hear these alleged conversations?

    Pure fantasy.

  86. joker65 says:
    Feb 3, 2017 8:51 AM
    So, there’s no evidence of them taping, the guy who supposedly did it said it never happened- yet Faulk says the facts support his beliefs.

    Logic isn’t his strong suit is it?
    ———
    Walsh was there and watched and took notes, told Daboll.
    Wasn’t supposed to be in the building past a certain hour …..they stayed, spied and that’s cheating !!

  87. The cheating started when the nfl invented a rule to help Brady and co. beat the raiders.hasn’t stopped since and they were only hammered after deflategate. No one will know the full scope and how much it helped but it is quite clear that they invested heavily in resources outside the spirit and letter of the sportsmanship laws.

  88. whatjusthapped says:
    Feb 3, 2017 8:41 AM
    Want an easy explanation as to why this was not made public?
    ______________________

    Not made public?? What rock were you under? The foolishness extended all the way to the floor of the US Senate.

  89. “On Monday, Grant and Williams both fell to the ground after St. Louis used its no-huddle offense to drive inside the Giants’ 20-yard line. Williams got right back up, while Grant received attention from trainers. He jogged off and was back on the field on the next play. On Wednesday, the N.F.L. issued a memo to all 32 teams warning that the punishments for players faking injuries would include fines, suspensions and a loss of draft picks.” — NY Times, “Fake Injury Issue Puts Giants on the Defensive,” 2011

    Here we have actual video proof, as well as player testimony that Giants coach Perry Fewell gave instructions on injury faking over multiple seasons, yet both the league and most fans pretend nothing happened and that the Giants SB wins were legit. Integrity.

  90. The Pats played the Rams during the 2001 regular season and lost 24-17.

    in that game Rams had 3 turnovers (2 INT and 1 fumble) that resulted in NE scoring 10 points. One of those turnovers was a fumble, in which Brady was intercepted on the very next play. One of the INTs was run back for a TD

    NE also had 3 turnovers in that game (2 INT and 1 fumble) that resulted in Rams scoring 17 points

    In the SB later that year:
    The Rams also had 3 turnovers (2 INT and 1 fumble) which NE scored 17 from (one of the INT was run back for a TD)

    NE had no turnovers.

    The Rams stats were similar in both games:

    Warner passed for 401 yds, 3 TDs and had 2 picks in the regular season game
    Warner passed for 365 yards in the SB, 2 TDs (one pass, one run) and had 2 picks

    Faulk had 83 yards running in the first game, 76 yards in the SB.

    For the Pats, the biggest difference in stats was turnovers….3 in the regular season game vs 0 in the SB.

    And that was the difference in these games:

    Points off turnovers:
    Rams 17, NE 10 in the 1st game
    NE 17, Rams 0 in the SB

    those are the REAL facts

  91. The cheating started when the nfl invented a rule to help Brady and co. beat the raiders.hasn’t stopped since and they were only hammered after deflategate. No one will know the full scope and how much it helped but it is quite clear that they invested heavily in resources outside the spirit and letter of the sportsmanship laws.

    —————————-

    Ignorance is bliss apparently. If you had actually bothered to do some research, you’d know that the ‘tuck rule’ was in the rule book long before it was called in the AFC title game – in fact, it was used earlier that very same season in which the call went against the Pats and in favor of the Jets.

  92. randy8123 says:
    Feb 3, 2017 8:56 AM
    Do you think Marshall knows how wrong he is and can’t bring himself to admit it, or really believes what he says and is opting to live in willful ignorance? Either way, has to make for a strange existence.

    ——–

    He should watch that game again. If he complained he was held to much and their receivers were getting absolutely pounded too far past the line of scrimmage I would maybe listen. However, this taping stuff is nonsense. The Patriots just clobbered them with huge hits and they folded.

  93. its funny
    no matter how much or how many years the patriots deny their cheating
    no matter how rabid the fan base and posts attacking people for saying they cheat/cheated

    this simply will not go away for you pats fans

    why?

    because your GUILTY!

  94. The Rams outgained the Patriots 427-267 yards. If they had been taped the Pats did an awful job stopping the Rams. what stopped the Rams was turn overs. It was Faulk himself immediately after the game who blamed turnovers for the loss. It’s nice to know that at one time Faulk put the blame for the loss where it belonged. I have zero respect that he today refuses to accept the truth while continuing to spew one of the stupidest lies around. Man up HOFer, you’re embarrassing the hall.

  95. I hate that this crap still comes out of his mouth. If anyone bothered to remember, the Pats gave the Rams all they could handle back in November of 2001, losing 24-17 and that was with Antoine Smith fumbling at the 1 yd line going in. Yes, the pats got scorched for like 482 yds of offense that day but A) it was the Rams and B) They were still coming together as a team and a defenses.

    I wish I could speak directly to him, but realizing I never will all I can see is that his attitude is the problem with everything….I’m willing to bet, he was nearly as prepared as he should’ve been for that SB, We all know his coaches weren’t and had they bothered to adjust AT ALL, Pats lose the game because they were clearly the more talented group of players…but they weren’t the best team. Not on that day and like he believes what he believes, I BELIEVE that there was no taping, no shenanigans…just the better team, that day won. I understand him not getting over it, I don’t understand the rest. It’s like he’s saying ” I will not get give them their due, because I”m not man enough to admit we didn’t prepare and take seriously enough the opposition that day.”

  96. Just to recap-

    Tuck Rule
    Spygate
    Destroyed tapes
    Deflategate
    Destroyed cell phone
    Fire alarms at opponents hotel
    Fire alarms during opponents practice

    Yeah, I mean why would you think there is something shady going on with the ****Patriots???

  97. ramfanmatt says:
    Feb 3, 2017 6:42 AM

    Well no evidence will exist if it was destroyed.
    ===========

    Except that all of the tapes were run on a loop before the national sporting press before they were destroyed.

  98. abninf says:
    Feb 3, 2017 9:22 AM
    So Pats fans say “everyone did it”. If “everyone” did it then the Pats did it.

    ———

    Well that settles it.

  99. Marshall Faulk’s annual whiny b*tching session is right on time this year.

    He’s still butt hurt about getting slapped around all day in SB36.

    Stop whiny you child, grow a pair and just own the fact that the Patriots DOMINATED you that day bro. If it wasn’t for a penalty away from the action cancelling a fumble recovery TD, this game wouldn’t have been close. That one call was a 14 point swing.

  100. donbat67 says:
    Feb 3, 2017 8:42 AM
    But do you have proof ……..OH That’s right it was destroyed .

    ————

    You haters have to decide if Goodell is for the Patriots or against the Patriots.

  101. rainsarge says:
    Feb 3, 2017 7:26 AM

    So the Pats fans believe Goodell “the liar” when he says there was nothing suspicious about the tape but don’t believe Goodell and he has a vendetta against them when he said Brady was less than honest about deflating the footballs.

    ==========

    Well the appeal transcript shows Goodell lied when comparing it to his appeal decision. And that he also lied when repeatedly saying Wells was “independent” when the report was edited by the NFL and Wells’ colleague represented the NFL at the appeal, both colossal and unethical conflicts of interest. Those are just two quick examples. Its all there on paper. Your quotations on the word liar shouldn’t be there.

  102. It was not and is not illegal to film the coaches signals. It’s illegal to do it from certain locations, including the sidelines. The pats broke the location rule. Get over it, they are just better than your team.

    ================

    Sorry but it is illegal to video tape signals. Otherwise why would the NFL restrict the location of video taping.

  103. Also dear Patriot fans… unless you’re a from Massachusetts, you’re either a:
    – Woman
    – Child
    ————-
    or you’re from NH, VT, Maine, RI or (non NYC) CT?

    AS for the “Goddell destroyed the tapes!”, why would the pats have kept those tapes, they’d be 6 years old at that point.

    The tapes don’t exist means they must have existed at one point. That’s the logic of losers.

    “Think about it! The pats would get an edge if they taped a walk through!”. True, but so what. There’s no proof the walk through was taped. Existence of a motive doesn’t prove someone did something, especially when there’s no proof at all that the something was done in the first place.

  104. *****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************CHEATERS******************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************

  105. yourunclerico says:
    Feb 3, 2017 9:31 AM

    this simply will not go away for you pats fans
    ______________________________

    Pats fans are too busy watching the greatest QB/Coach make NFL history again. It is actually trolls like you (and Faulk) that cannot let this go as you are obviously obsessed with every Patriots story.

    But I feel for you as I can only imagine how painful it is to watch Brady and the Pats in their 7th Super Bowl.

  106. this team, along with the broncos and goodell, will be the reason this game eats itself.
    when you lose the integrity of the game, goodell has
    when you are allowed to get away with cheating and your championships are not vacated as they should be
    patriots ****
    broncos ***
    there is little meaning left to “winning” in the league.

    this game is eating itself. its started the downward trend which, unless addressed properly, will turn into a downward spiral.

    cheating is not good for the league.

  107. Sorry but it is illegal to video tape signals. Otherwise why would the NFL restrict the location of video taping.
    ——–
    It’s was illegal at some point to videotape them from the opposing sideline. There are cameras all over the field, you can get the same information from other cameras, albeit not as clearly.

    The NFL would restrict the LOCATION of video taping because it was illegal from THAT LOCATION. If it were illegal everywhere, they’d say it and wouldn’t need to specify a location. THINK man.

    If you’re videotaping the whole field you would pick up those signals anyway.

    But defensive signals have been done via headsets since 2007.

  108. absolutevisuals says:
    Feb 3, 2017 6:27 AM
    It’s probable….Here’s paraphrased line on the report from another outlet, “The Patriots’ taping apparently went undetected until 2006…
    ———————-
    Possibly because it was legal until 2007. And still is now, if you put the camera 2yds further back such as in the front row of the stands.

  109. I think we just need to break this down to the simplest of terms.

    Ted Wells and his followers hang their collective hat on a single text message, 8 months before the game in question, by someone referring to himself as ‘the deflator’. It is the foundation of the Wells Report. Without that text message there is no argument to be made.

    So…..where’s the text message with someone calling himself ‘the spy’ or ‘the videotaper’?

    without that, there is no case.

  110. Even better than the consistent regular season success, even better than all the division titles year in and year out, even better than being a championship contender every year, even better than the four rings…is all the hurt feelings left in the Pats’ wake. Grown men crying foul, a decade-and-a-half-plus later, about events that have been publicly confirmed to have never happened. Being SO dominant that that opposing players, coaches, owners, and fans are left scrambling for some kind of answer as to why our team is so good and theirs can’t achieve the same level of success. And the funniest part is going to be when Brady and Belichick ride off into the sunset, other fans will point and taunt at the first time they miss the playoffs or whatever. But that’s like the dork from your high school who got stuffed in lockers showing up to the ten year reunion all jacked and acting like he can finally beat you up, and it’s like “bro, you’re way too late, it’s over.” No matter what happens Sunday, the league will probably never see another run like this, not while I’m still drawing breath, anyway. Men have gone to their graves without seeing their team even make the playoffs. And here are the Pats, ticket punched pretty much every single year, who does that? I was listening to Forgot About Dre the other day, and it reminded me of the Pats when Dr. Dre said “give me one more platinum plaque, and —- rap, you can have it back.” But we’ve got a 40-something year old man with a gold jacket and a ring on his finger STILL crying over a game where I was still a month shy of being able to buy beer for it. Lmao. Just lmao

  111. bullcharger says:
    Feb 3, 2017 9:40 AM

    You haters have to decide if Goodell is for the Patriots or against the Patriots.
    ————
    Actually it is/was both. Goodell & Kraft were best of buddies, Kraft helped Goodell get his job. I’m of the believe that Goodell rewarded the Pats with a Super Bowl win vs the Rams for this, but lets ignore my tin foil hat thoughts for the moment.

    Since then Kraft has put Goodell is multiple awkward situations which test his ability as a Commissioner: Spygate, Deflategate, not blank-check supporting the Rams move the LA.

    So Goodell used to be Pro-Pats, but now I’m convinced he really really wants to break Kraft.

  112. this should be put on ESPN as a “COME ON MAN”

    you really think they videotaped the day before the Super Bowl, then created a whole new game plan and got the whole team up to speed in under 24 hours???

    get real, always liked Faulk but this is just asinine

  113. “is it Foxboro or Foxborough ?”

    It is either. Technically it is Foxborough, (like Westborough, Marlborough, Northborough, Southborough, …) but all can be shortened, or abbreviated without the “ugh” and everyone from MA still knows what you are talking about.

    More importantly can you pronounce, Leicester, Worcester, Peabody, Nolfolk, Leominster, etc. Being a transplant I still find it amusing, and a little bit of fun.

  114. As a Pats fan I am no longer upset with all the cheating analogies and accusations when I know they are exaggerated and in some cases actually myth more than reality. I am proud that our team has achieved more in the salary cap age than any team and it’s not even close. we get cp,ared tot eh Fins, cowboys, sellers and 49ers…..but none of their achievements occurred during this salary cap age of enforced parity. Seldom do the Patriots receive the credit they deserve for building a team for the bottom up….cutting or trading guys like: Milloy, Jones, Collins, Seymour, Law, Bledsoe, Mankins, etc…all in their prime in order to maintain their depth and find cheaper alternatives and coaching them up. Jealous terms like the “system” are used but it’s more than that it’s the courage to make tough decisions that others simply don’t make. We may win or lose the game but the franchise will remind on top because of super management…plain and simple.

  115. How is this still a story after 15 years? Walsh admitted there was no tape, and the story that there was one was retracted by the Boston Globe, when, you know, there was literally zero evidence of this ever happening.

    Faulk needs to get over the fact that they lost to the better team that day.

  116. The tuck rule was not in place prior to that date. That particular play was so “unique” that the language was changed the next season to include it as a part of a general rule that had been in place prior to that. Shame on you pats synchopants, trying to dispel that or any of the other accusations. they are a part of the pats legacy, can’t have one without the other, inseparable.

  117. absolutevisuals says:
    Feb 3, 2017 6:27 AM
    It’s probable. Patriot fans will try to deflect and subvert as always but the other year ESPN (surprising) actually produced a pretty detailed report that goes into how bad Spygate actually was, Goodell being the mannequin of the owners however covered it up massively to save the NFL’s PR. So now with Spygate (tired of gate) and everything else you don’t even know what to believe, that falls on the Owners and Goodell, more on the owners. My guess people like Mara, Jones, Kraft, probably Bud Adams, maaaaybe Davis, etc., either ways Goodell was a year or so into being commissioner. The lack of blowback was probably the reason why Deflategate (still tired of gate) was so blown up.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    And just where did you get these supposed facts?

    Here’s paraphrased line on the report from another outlet, “The Patriots’ taping apparently went undetected until 2006, when Packers security caught cameraman Matt Estrella filming illegally. (He claimed he was merely taking scenic shots for “Kraft Productions.”) That offseason, the NFL warned the Patriots in writing. Before the next year’s opener the Jets set up a sting operation, with the assistance of team and NFL security, to catch the Patriots in the act.

    They caught Estrella filming, and actively trying to hide his employer.”

  118. They did.
    Remember how we “lacked facts” about the MSM bias and pay-for-play with the Clinton Foundation…. until Wikileaks came along?

    I would LOVE if Wikileaks would hack the Patriots. Could you imagine how badly Kraft would soil himself?

  119. Watch what happens after this weekend–there will be a litany of sore losers, conspiracy theorists, yahoos, nitwits, and inconsolable Monday morning quarterbacks who will say anything and everything denouncing the Patriots victory.

    It’s ok to be sick of them. I get it. It’s been a looooong time.

    The “ifs”, “ands” and “buts” will be ricocheting off the walls, flying full speed into the “woulda”, “coulda”, and “shoulda’s”

    Thankfully, there will be logical, bipartisan fans of football that also watched, and they will no doubt say:

    “The Patriots won. No surprise–they were better.”

  120. sportoficionado says:
    Feb 3, 2017 10:14 AM

    The tuck rule was not in place prior to that date.
    —————————

    Of course it was. The Jets benefited from it in a game against the Patriots earlier that season.

  121. Judge Smails says:
    Feb 3, 2017 9:18 AM
    Walsh was there and watched and took notes, told Daboll.
    Wasn’t supposed to be in the building past a certain hour …..they stayed, spied and that’s cheating !!
    ====================
    Fiction.

    Walsh was in the stadium in his Patriots gear setting up equipment during the walkthrough, Goodell said. What did happen, said NFL attorney Gregg Levy, was that then-New England assistant Brian Daboll later asked Walsh what he saw. Walsh said he told Daboll that running back Marshall Faulk was returning kicks and responded to the coach’s question about the Rams’ use of tight ends in their formations.

  122. New Patriot hater rule.

    Every time you post a comment, instead of hiding behind an anonymous screen name at least identify which team you’re a fan of and then tell us how clean they are and that’s why you’re a fan of that team.

    You won’t be able to. You’re all such pathetic hypocrites, you can not with any self respect get on this site stomping up and down about how the Patriots are cheaters if you have skeletons in your teams closet and every team has been accused of things, particularly these teams whose fans do the most whinning; Steelers, Broncos, Seahawks. Your teams have been busted for infractions far more agregious than anything the Patriots have been accused of.

  123. sportoficionado says:
    Feb 3, 2017 9:19 AM
    The cheating started when the nfl invented a rule to help Brady and co. beat the raiders.hasn’t stopped since and they were only hammered after deflategate. No one will know the full scope and how much it helped but it is quite clear that they invested heavily in resources outside the spirit and letter of the sportsmanship laws
    =================
    Again with the tuck rule fiction despite it being applied numerous times that year and in previous years? Really?

  124. yourunclerico says:
    Feb 3, 2017 9:31 AM
    its funny
    no matter how much or how many years the patriots deny their cheating
    no matter how rabid the fan base and posts attacking people for saying they cheat/cheated

    this simply will not go away for you pats fans
    ========================
    The best part is the trophies don’t go away either 🙂

  125. I met Marshall a few years back when he was flown into Northern California to speak at a fundraiser. He’s an aloof, self-important and entitled jerk and is the main reason why I won’t tune into the NFL network’s pregame shows when that pompous jerk is on it. It doesn’t surprise me at all that he clings to his own “alternative facts”.

  126. luckyforus says:
    Feb 3, 2017 9:44 AM
    Sorry but it is illegal to video tape signals. Otherwise why would the NFL restrict the location of video taping.
    ================
    Simply put, if it was illegal then ban if from the coaches boxes as well.

  127. bullcharger says:
    Feb 3, 2017 9:40 AM
    You haters have to decide if Goodell is for the Patriots or against the Patriots.
    ————
    Actually it is/was both. Goodell & Kraft were best of buddies, Kraft helped Goodell get his job. I’m of the believe that Goodell rewarded the Pats with a Super Bowl win vs the Rams for this, but lets ignore my tin foil hat thoughts for the moment.
    Since then Kraft has put Goodell is multiple awkward situations which test his ability as a Commissioner: Spygate, Deflategate, not blank-check supporting the Rams move the LA.
    So Goodell used to be Pro-Pats, but now I’m convinced he really really wants to break Kraft.

    —————-

    So on one hand you think that Roger Goodell has the ability to fix a Super Bowl, but on the other hand you believe that even though Goodell “really really wants to break Kraft” he allowed him to have two home playoff games and make a Super Bowl, which represents insane amounts of additional current and future revenue.

    That doesn’t quite add up.

    Also… if you think the sport is the WWE, why do you watch?

  128. I believe Marshall! I will never trust the patriots. As long as they can still trot – ooh, boo and foo, out on the field and still win superbowls over much more talented teams, I say, something is rather “fishy” about that.

  129. yourunclerico says:
    Feb 3, 2017 9:52 AM
    this team, along with the broncos and goodell, will be the reason this game eats itself.
    =================
    LOL. Cheating isn’t the problem and it’s not even close. You have the Goodell part right though.

  130. Quit crying, Faulk. You got beat and that is that.

    I swear, these Patriots haters are so caught up in their hatred for them that they allow themselves to believe anything to reconcile with the fact that the Patriots beat them or their favorite team.

    They all come off just like whiny, spoiled brat, kids. I mean, really. The Patriots are the best team of the last decade and a half because they earned it, and Belichick is right up near the top head coach of all time, Vince Lombardi — again, because he earned it. They guy is a great head coach, period.

    I’m a Packers fan, so we’re used to it, too. Because the Packers have won more championships than any other team in NFL history, there are people — especially Vikings fans — who are filled with rage if they even hear their name. They have the Packers guilty of everything — up to and including masterminding the JFK assassination.

    Paranoia is a serious affliction, folks. These Pats haters need to get themselves some serious couch time.

  131. luckyforus says:
    Feb 3, 2017 9:44 AM

    Sorry but it is illegal to video tape signals. Otherwise why would the NFL restrict the location of video taping.
    ———————

    Why would they have to restrict where you could tape from if taping was illegal?

    Besides, the rules are clear on matters of taping, if people would bother to read them.

  132. And he would be right. The whole “dynasty*” is built on cheating. Can’t believe tapes were burned. Zero excuse for that. Also Bill saying they did it but the excuse was “i didnt know that wasnt allowed”, ok George Costanza, plead ignorance. Your one of the most knowledgeable coaches on earth, who sent ppl in undercover in disguise but had NO idea it was wrong LOL. The bill/tom brady era has the two biggest fines and penalties for cheating in the history of the NFL. Those are facts, whether patriot fans want to accept it or not.

  133. sportoficionado says:
    Feb 3, 2017 10:14 AM
    The tuck rule was not in place prior to that date. That particular play was so “unique” that the language was changed the next season to include it as a part of a general rule that had been in place prior to that. Shame on you pats synchopants, trying to dispel that or any of the other accusations. they are a part of the pats legacy, can’t have one without the other, inseparable.

    Wrong

    It was called in favor of the Jets in a game earlier that same season vs the Patriots

    Christ!!!!!! If you are going to comment at least know what you are talking about!

  134. In either case, one element of the story remains strangely absent from the discussion. On Feb. 2, 2002, on the eve of Super Bowl XXXVI, on the very same day Walsh was allegedly filming Rams practice, the New York Times reported that somebody was seen spying on the Patriots as they prepared for the big game.

    The most interesting aspect of the story? League officials themselves saw the spy, at least according to the Times story filed by Judy Battista.

    The key passage from her 2002 report:

    “Club and league officials (our emphasis) said a telescope was clearly visible in the window, according to a pool report, and that 15 minutes later, a person appeared at the window, and then vanished.”

  135. If the Pats need to live with a little bit of (and I mean A SMIDGEON) fairy-tale, folk-lore with their Dynasty, it’s a small price to pay to see former pro athletes and uber jealous Crybaby Haters from around the country continue to pour their time, effort and energy into trying to defame the LAST GREAT NFL DYNASTY…
    The NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS

    2 people you’ve never seen in the same room together;
    Crybaby Nation and Hatriot Nation

    Marshal Faulk is the President of Crybaby Nation

  136. If any NFL Coach is dumb enough to conduct a practice in front of the media the afternoon before the super bowl, he isn’t too bright. He had 2 weeks to prepare. I guess 2 weeks wasn’t long enough. The lamest excuse I ever heard. Marshall Faulk should just go away! Does Goodell have any more openings at 345 Park Ave?

  137. randytheraiderloveboy says:
    Feb 3, 2017 7:23 AM
    According to the annual survey by Public Policy Polling, the Patriots are the most hated team in the NFL for a second year in a row…….
    ————————————————–

    What is the bad news for the Pats and their fans?

    FWIW, 27% in that poll wanted the Pats to win.

  138. and on the chance they didn’t tape the practice you’re basically saying the defense stifled you so bad that you’re anointing Belichick as the great master mind that he is lol…he beats people so thoroughly that they blame cheating…that must eat him up inside.

  139. yourunclerico says:
    Feb 3, 2017 9:31 AM

    its funny
    no matter how much or how many years the patriots deny their cheating
    no matter how rabid the fan base and posts attacking people for saying they cheat/cheated

    this simply will not go away for you pats fans

    why?

    because your GUILTY!
    —————————-

    Actually, it’s because there is nearly a generation of losers, crybabies, and whiners that have seen their team get bested by the Patriots, and rather than be honest with themselves, and admit that their team is the lesser opponent, they cry and moan about the Patriots being cheaters.

    That, and they also believe that Roger Goodell is their football savior. They light candles in his honor every game day, and twice on Super Bowl Sunday.

  140. Footballfanz says:
    Feb 3, 2017 10:53 AM

    The bill/tom brady era has the two biggest fines and penalties for cheating in the history of the NFL. Those are facts, whether patriot fans want to accept it or not.
    ——————————-

    The Broncos fines for cheating the salary cap were larger, when adjusted for inflation.

  141. Footballfanz says:
    Feb 3, 2017 10:53 AM

    Those are facts, whether patriot fans want to accept it or not.
    ————————————————————-
    What is your view on the Broncos cheating the salary cap to win two SBs? I assume you are absolutely outraged about that?

    <>

  142. fireroger says:
    Feb 3, 2017 10:45 AM
    luckyforus says:
    Feb 3, 2017 9:44 AM
    Sorry but it is illegal to video tape signals. Otherwise why would the NFL restrict the location of video taping.
    ================
    Simply put, if it was illegal then ban if from the coaches boxes as well.

    ========================

    Simply put, Video taping is banned from the coaches boxes too. They restricted the areas so you couldn’t get a clear view of the coaches because video taping signals isn’t allowed. Stealing signals has been part of sports forever, but you’re crossing the line when you use technology.

  143. absolutevisuals says:
    Feb 3, 2017 6:27 AM
    It’s probable. Patriot fans will try to deflect and subvert as always but the other year ESPN (surprising) actually produced a pretty detailed report that goes into how bad Spygate actually was, Goodell being the mannequin of the owners however covered it up massively to save the NFL’s PR. So now with Spygate (tired of gate) and everything else you don’t even know what to believe, that falls on the Owners and Goodell, more on the owners. My guess people like Mara, Jones, Kraft, probably Bud Adams, maaaaybe Davis, etc., either ways Goodell was a year or so into being commissioner. The lack of blowback was probably the reason why Deflategate (still tired of gate) was so blown up.

    Here’s paraphrased line on the report from another outlet, “The Patriots’ taping apparently went undetected until 2006, when Packers security caught cameraman Matt Estrella filming illegally. (He claimed he was merely taking scenic shots for “Kraft Productions.”) That offseason, the NFL warned the Patriots in writing. Before the next year’s opener the Jets set up a sting operation, with the assistance of team and NFL security, to catch the Patriots in the act.

    They caught Estrella filming, and actively trying to hide his employer.”
    _____________________________________

    You are wrong. Period.

  144. sportoficionado says:
    Feb 3, 2017 10:14 AM
    The tuck rule was not in place prior to that date. That particular play was so “unique” that the language was changed the next season to include it as a part of a general rule that had been in place prior to that. Shame on you pats synchopants, trying to dispel that or any of the other accusations. they are a part of the pats legacy, can’t have one without the other, inseparable.
    ====================
    Fiction.

    Tuck rule was in place since 1999. First time it was called was in 2001 against Testaverde.

    It’s really not about dispelling anything other than incorrect facts. Just because you post the same wrong information more than once doesn’t make it correct.

  145. Someone should tell Marshall that it wasn’t cheating because it was cold outside. And then a dozen high school dropouts will post comments on sports blogs while posing as scientists.

  146. lordliftedme says:
    Feb 3, 2017 10:49 AM
    I believe Marshall! I will never trust the patriots. As long as they can still trot – ooh, boo and foo, out on the field and still win superbowls over much more talented teams, I say, something is rather “fishy” about that.
    =============
    I can’t even respond with anything witty this is so ridiculous. Actually let me try …

    Any given Sunday … unless your team is more talented.

    LMAO

  147. the newspaper prints a story it claims to be true. Then it prints another story the contradicts the first story and claims that to be true. Since neither of the stories can be trusted in a case like this, Faulk can pick the one he wants to believe. So can you or I. I don’t blame him, I blame the newspaper. They created this situation either by printing a false story or by lying about it.

  148. Footballfanz says:
    Feb 3, 2017 10:53 AM
    And he would be right. The whole “dynasty*” is built on cheating. Can’t believe tapes were burned. Zero excuse for that. Also Bill saying they did it but the excuse was “i didnt know that wasnt allowed”, ok George Costanza, plead ignorance. Your one of the most knowledgeable coaches on earth, who sent ppl in undercover in disguise but had NO idea it was wrong LOL. The bill/tom brady era has the two biggest fines and penalties for cheating in the history of the NFL. Those are facts, whether patriot fans want to accept it or not.
    ==============
    He never plead ignorance. Seriously at least try harder when making up fiction.

    He said he felt what he was doing was perfectly legal so long as the tapes weren’t used in game. Just like what the Dolphins did the year before by synching up the coaches tape to the game tape.

  149. You know what I find interesting. Faulk and Warner will claim that the Pats cheated because their defense shut down the “Greatest Show on Turf”, yet I don’t hear anyone from the 2007 Patriots whining and complaining about cheating by the Giants because their defense was able to shut down the record breaking Patriots offense.

  150. “Club and league officials (our emphasis) said a telescope was clearly visible in the window, according to a pool report, and that 15 minutes later, a person appeared at the window, and then vanished.”
    ================
    Curious. Let’s assume that was in fact true. Are we arguing that was illegal?

  151. luckyforus says:
    Feb 3, 2017 11:10 AM
    Simply put, Video taping is banned from the coaches boxes too. They restricted the areas so you couldn’t get a clear view of the coaches because video taping signals isn’t allowed. Stealing signals has been part of sports forever, but you’re crossing the line when you use technology.
    ========================
    Wanna guess where the coaches tape are generated from?

    Give ya a hint … the very location you claim is illegal.

  152. Sorry but it is illegal to video tape signals. Otherwise why would the NFL restrict the location of video taping.
    ================
    Simply put, if it was illegal then ban if from the coaches boxes as well.

    ========================

    Simply put, Video taping is banned from the coaches boxes too. They restricted the areas so you couldn’t get a clear view of the coaches because video taping signals isn’t allowed. Stealing signals has been part of sports forever, but you’re crossing the line when you use technology.
    ============================
    OK, then explain to me how this quote from Goodell fits in with your narrative if filming of signals was illegal:

    “They may have collected it within the rules, but we couldn’t determine that. So we felt that it should be destroyed,”

  153. absolutevisuals says:
    Feb 3, 2017 6:27 AM

    It’s probable. Patriot fans will try to deflect and subvert as always but the other year ESPN (surprising) actually produced a pretty detailed report that goes into how bad Spygate actually was, Goodell being the mannequin of the owners however covered it up massively to save the NFL’s PR. So now with Spygate (tired of gate) and everything else you don’t even know what to believe, that falls on the Owners and Goodell, more on the owners. My guess people like Mara, Jones, Kraft, probably Bud Adams, maaaaybe Davis, etc., either ways Goodell was a year or so into being commissioner. The lack of blowback was probably the reason why Deflategate (still tired of gate) was so blown up.

    Here’s paraphrased line on the report from another outlet, “The Patriots’ taping apparently went undetected until 2006, when Packers security caught cameraman Matt Estrella filming illegally. (He claimed he was merely taking scenic shots for “Kraft Productions.”) That offseason, the NFL warned the Patriots in writing. Before the next year’s opener the Jets set up a sting operation, with the assistance of team and NFL security, to catch the Patriots in the act.

    They caught Estrella filming, and actively trying to hide his employer.”

    ————————————–

    2 things…

    A) You DO realize that the NFL did not deem filming games/signals from field level illegal until AFTER the 2006 season, right? Therefore Spygate is about 1 half of 1 game… nothing more.

    B) This “detailed” ESPN report you’re referring to was later shot down by ESPN themselves THAT night when they went on air and apologized for airing out a story based on false allegations that had absolutely zero proof and substance.

    Maybe do a little research before making yourself look like a fool again.

  154. time for some education for those whoe refuse to learn while fiercely arguing with no knowledge to back it up

    pages A105-A106 of the league’s Policy Manual for Member Clubs Volume II: Game Operations

    Miscellaneous Rules and Regulations, Section A. reads, “No video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches’ booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game.”

    section D

    “All video shooting locations must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead.” The rules never prohibit filming coaches. The sections used against the Patriots only concern camera locations.

    The rule mentions only three spots where teams can’t use video equipment during games—the coaches’ booth, the locker room, and the field. No rule bars teams from recording signals as long as they locate their cameras properly.

    Of the three locations the rules actually mention, Anderson substituted “sidelines” for “field.”

    NFL rules seem to define “the field” as the area between the sidelines and the endlines. By that definition, a camera man standing out of bounds isn’t on the “field,” although the rule would stop teams from using helmet cameras like those which the networks sometimes use.

    Section D guideline

    The manual says the locations “ensure the protection of equipment and employees.” It doesn’t require teams to shoot from those locations. It only asks that teams provide them.

    the league has two pages of rules requiring teams to tape and exchange the recordings.

    Isn’t that contradictory?

    The NFL reconciles it by interpreting Article IX to mean that teams can film during games, but they can only use the recordings between games, not during them. Belichick applied this interpretation to ground level taping too.

  155. drocity says:
    Feb 3, 2017 10:04 AM
    “is it Foxboro or Foxborough ?”

    It is either. Technically it is Foxborough, (like Westborough, Marlborough, Northborough, Southborough, …) but all can be shortened, or abbreviated without the “ugh” and everyone from MA still knows what you are talking about.

    More importantly can you pronounce, Leicester, Worcester, Peabody, Nolfolk, Leominster, etc. Being a transplant I still find it amusing, and a little bit of fun.

    Lesta, woostah, pbdy, nofok, leminstah, woobin, raveeya, mefid, new befid etc.

  156. trolls love to talk about the day Brady & Belichick retire and the Pats become irrelevant……but boy they sure are going to have a lot of time on their hands

  157. I guess I shouldn’t characterize what the Pats defense did to the Rams offense as ‘shut down’, but that is what is implied by Faulk and Warner’s whining about the Pats knowing their plays.

  158. Hey Marshall…During the walk through, did Warner throw those Int’s then too along with Proele fumbling …And I suppose NE also knew you were going to step out of bounds at the 6 on that kickoff… lol … Turnovers , coaching, and clutch plays beat your team that day…

  159. This stuff will never go away. No one seems to be talking about the colts possibly piping in crowd noise. No one saying the falcons were caught piping in crowd noise.

    ————————————

    Piping in crowd noise, the equivalent to knowing the other teams play calls. Classic.

  160. luckyforus says:
    Feb 3, 2017 11:10 AM

    fireroger says:
    Feb 3, 2017 10:45 AM
    luckyforus says:
    Feb 3, 2017 9:44 AM
    Sorry but it is illegal to video tape signals. Otherwise why would the NFL restrict the location of video taping.
    ================
    Simply put, if it was illegal then ban if from the coaches boxes as well.

    ========================

    Simply put, Video taping is banned from the coaches boxes too. They restricted the areas so you couldn’t get a clear view of the coaches because video taping signals isn’t allowed. Stealing signals has been part of sports forever, but you’re crossing the line when you use technology.

    =======

    “Clear view of the coaches”? Everyone has a clear view of the coaches, including people at home watching. That’s why coaches cover their mouths when speaking. And yes stealing signals has been a part of sports forever, its why teams use signals in the first place. And bull pen coaches have been using binoculars since bull pens were invented so your technology stance doesn’t fly either.

  161. I did a google search for ‘secrets of coaches tape’. What came up in the first link? An NFL video showing video cameras creating the coaches tape from the coaches box with a complete unobstructed view. Confirming the obvious. Just stop with the taping is illegal nonsense. You’re just making a fool of yourself.

  162. 345snarkavenue says:
    Feb 3, 2017 11:39 AM
    trolls love to talk about the day Brady & Belichick retire and the Pats become irrelevant……but boy they sure are going to have a lot of time on their hands

    ————

    Well at least they have finally accepted that until then their teams are not getting past the Pats.

  163. The way Pats* fans monitor this site so they can rush to type “Crybaby!” and “Waaaahmbulance!” and “Cheese for that whine!” every time there is an acknowledgement of the Pats* history of cheating shows that Pats* fans have no original or creative insults and also that they know deep down their team’s success is tainted.

  164. majormeatcurtains says:
    Feb 3, 2017 6:54 AM
    Hehe, alternative facts. Like the IGL that the millenials quote? The same law that stipulates how a Ideal Gas behaves. A IDEAL GAS. Look up Ideal gas. Atmosphere isn’t there.

    OK, I did look it up

    Some examples of ideal gases are the oxygen, nitrogen, carbon dioxide and other gases in Earth’s atmosphere. An ideal gas is a gas at low pressure and fairly high temperature in which the individual gas atoms or molecules can be assumed to be far apart and to not interact with each other.

    Last I checked there’s oxygen in footballs.

  165. luckyforus says:

    Sorry but it is illegal to video tape signals. Otherwise why would the NFL restrict the location of video taping.

    ===========

    That doesn’t make any sense. That’s like saying smoking is illegal because you can’t smoke inside restaurants.

    If taping were illegal, why not just make taping illegal.

  166. I loved watching the Rams get the $hit kicked out of em in that game.

    Facts are, the Patriots showed the World that Marshall Faulk is SOFT!

    tape shows that son!

  167. bullcharger says:
    Feb 3, 2017 10:49 AM

    So on one hand you think that Roger Goodell has the ability to fix a Super Bowl, but on the other hand you believe that even though Goodell “really really wants to break Kraft” he allowed him to have two home playoff games and make a Super Bowl, which represents insane amounts of additional current and future revenue.

    That doesn’t quite add up.

    Also… if you think the sport is the WWE, why do you watch?
    ——————————-
    I don’t want to write an essay, so I’ll do best with bullet points.
    – The Fix: Yes, think it’s possible when people who are worth mega-millions stand to make more millions. Georgia was an incredibly weak owner who had no league pull, Kraft does/did.
    – The Patriots win following 9/11, convenient.
    – The “Grocery boy makes good” story had run its course. Replaced by model-pretty Tom Brady who becomes a marketing machine. New England=Huge Market, St Louis=small market. (Even the N.E. OL got a credit card ad deal)
    – I think the fix was possible via the refs: Overly loose definition of pass interference. Vrable hitting Warner in the head on the pick-6 and no roughing call. Calling Redmond out of bounds on the final drive when he probably wasn’t. Running off the last seconds of the game & not allowing the Rams a last kickoff return.
    -Goodell has been trying to break Kraft with suspensions & pulling #1 picks. 1. Kraft is too powerful with powerful friends to outright screw him. 2. The Patriots/Belichik/Brady are just too darn good on the field.
    – Controversy creates cash. That’s WWE rule #1. Let the media sell your game for you: That’s NFL marketing #1.
    – I actually don’t watch the games anymore, just highlights (too long, no parity. I’ll watch the SB because of friends) and I don’t buy the merchandise. I do love the politics though.

  168. jman967 says:
    Feb 3, 2017 7:25 AM
    “No evidence has ever emerged..” Well of course not, all the evidence was destroyed. The true statement would be, the extent of the Patriots illegal filming will never be known because all evidence was intentionally destroyed. We know during the time period they were illegally filming teams. Other than that, Roger worked with Kraft and the rest is history. I don’t like but, but it was clearly a PR move to try and contain the fires.
    Let’s just move on and stop rehashing this crap. I’ll be so happy when Belicheck and Brady are gone so we can stop reviving every other Pats -gate.

    ——————————————————————–

    Yeah! This…..WAIT…except the tapes were put on constant rotate in the lobby of 345 Park Ave for over two weeks. Anyone who wanted to see what was recorded only had to show up and look. Where is the mystery here?

    –Mike

  169. Pats filmed their practice, deflated balls, and did everything else to cheat. That’s the only reason they have been winning since 2001.

    Nothing to do with Brady/Belichick. Jealousy makes people look like idiots. Faulk – you look like an idiot.

  170. What I don’t get is why extensive use of scouting tapes, and matching up signals to plays is such a BFD, and such a foreign concept to the rest of the teams in the NFL.

    It isn’t as if that was information that was only available to the New England Patriots.

    NFL games aren’t played for ribbons. Every team should be using every bit of information at their disposal to try and beat the other team.

    I guess when you change coaching staffs and/or quarterbacks every couple of seasons, it’s hard to organize data gathering.

  171. mmack66 says:
    Feb 3, 2017 12:02 PM
    …..
    NFL games aren’t played for ribbons…
    —————————————————-

    That is true. In some cities games are played for participation banners.

  172. alltee says:
    Feb 3, 2017 11:38 AM
    time for some education for those whoe refuse to learn while fiercely arguing with no knowledge to back it up

    pages A105-A106 of the league’s Policy Manual for Member Clubs Volume II: Game Operations

    Miscellaneous Rules and Regulations, Section A. reads, “No video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches’ booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game.”

    section D

    “All video shooting locations must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead.” The rules never prohibit filming coaches. The sections used against the Patriots only concern camera locations.

    The rule mentions only three spots where teams can’t use video equipment during games—the coaches’ booth, the locker room, and the field. No rule bars teams from recording signals as long as they locate their cameras properly.

    Of the three locations the rules actually mention, Anderson substituted “sidelines” for “field.”

    NFL rules seem to define “the field” as the area between the sidelines and the endlines. By that definition, a camera man standing out of bounds isn’t on the “field,” although the rule would stop teams from using helmet cameras like those which the networks sometimes use.

    Section D guideline

    The manual says the locations “ensure the protection of equipment and employees.” It doesn’t require teams to shoot from those locations. It only asks that teams provide them.

    the league has two pages of rules requiring teams to tape and exchange the recordings.

    Isn’t that contradictory?

    The NFL reconciles it by interpreting Article IX to mean that teams can film during games, but they can only use the recordings between games, not during them. Belichick applied this interpretation to ground level taping too.

    —————————–

    An excellent synopsis that won’t change anyone’s mind. Jealous fans that want to believe that 16 years of Patriots dominance is the result of videotaping something happening in full view of 65,000 other people will continue to do so by interpreting the facts in a way that supports their point of view.

    However, in the spirit of changing no one’s mind, I would add that the Goodell himself acknowledged that the act of videotaping an opponent’s sideline was not against the rules – only that it was a “violation of the spirit of the game”. This is league-office speak for “we know what you are doing isn’t against the rules, but we don’t like it”.

  173. Hey, there is only one reason Goodell burned the tapes. There was true evidence he didn’t want seen by anyone other than himself. He made sure this evidence never made it to the public because his friend would have been shown cheating. I have said and will maintain, Belicheat as a head coach hasn’t won crap without Brady! Just go back and look. Wait until Brady retires, Belicheat will know his “genius” days are over.

  174. When this question is answered, I’ll stop caring completely

    If there as nothing of note on the tapes, why were the tapes physically destroyed, with none of the damaged parties, getting a chance to see what information of theirs was gathered illegally by the Patriots?

    I can think of only one logical reason, so nobody knew what was actually on the tapes. Which leads to the logical question, if the tapes were exactly as described (illegally taping practices), or anything less, why not let people see them? Clearly the only reason not to let people see them is because they were worse than they thought

    That being said, it was 10 years ago, it’s over. The NFL destroyed all evidence, so more information is never going to come out. From now until forever, there are going to be those that thought they didn’t cheat (Pats fans), and those that think they did (everyone else). No new information is going to come out to change that, because that information was destroyed

  175. wetookavote says:
    Feb 3, 2017 11:55 AM
    The way Pats* fans monitor this site so they can rush to type “Crybaby!” and “Waaaahmbulance!” and “Cheese for that whine!” every time there is an acknowledgement of the Pats* history of cheating shows that Pats* fans have no original or creative insults and also that they know deep down their team’s success is tainted.
    =======================
    Puhleeze. Like there’s been any creative cheating claims as well. To be fair, the lack of originality on that side of the argument could be interpreted as brainless parroting.

    The lack of creative responses from Pats fans might also stem from the blatant refusal of others accepting well known facts to combat the presented conjecture. Just a thought.

  176. majormeatcurtains says:
    Feb 3, 2017 6:54 AM
    Hehe, alternative facts. Like the IGL that the millenials quote? The same law that stipulates how a Ideal Gas behaves. A IDEAL GAS. Look up Ideal gas. Atmosphere isn’t there.
    ===================
    OMG, the dusty IGL doesn’t apply argument? Really? How many times do posters with this argument need to get dumped on before it’s retired? Seriously. How about this … any time a tire loses air pressure it can’t possibly always be Tom Brady. Discuss at your leisure.

  177. wetookavote says:
    Feb 3, 2017 11:55 AM
    The way Pats* fans monitor this site so they can rush to type “Crybaby!” and “Waaaahmbulance!” and “Cheese for that whine!” every time there is an acknowledgement of the Pats* history of cheating shows that Pats* fans have no original or creative insults

    —–

    why use insults when providing the facts does the job?

  178. randytheraiderloveboy says:
    Feb 3, 2017 7:22 AM

    According to the annual survey by Public Policy Polling, the Patriots are the most hated team in the NFL for a second year in a row. Just 77% want to see them win the Super Bowl while 73% are rooting for Atlanta.

    America hates cheaters!
    ————————–

    I guess I don’t trust a poll that adds up to 150%.

    Is that the same outfit that had Hillary leading just days before the election?

  179. mmack66 says:
    Feb 3, 2017 11:03 AM
    yourunclerico says:
    Feb 3, 2017 9:31 AM

    its funny
    no matter how much or how many years the patriots deny their cheating
    no matter how rabid the fan base and posts attacking people for saying they cheat/cheated

    this simply will not go away for you pats fans

    why?

    because your GUILTY!
    —————————-

    Actually, it’s because there is nearly a generation of losers, crybabies, and whiners that have seen their team get bested by the Patriots, and rather than be honest with themselves, and admit that their team is the lesser opponent, they cry and moan about the Patriots being cheaters.

    That, and they also believe that Roger Goodell is their football savior. They light candles in his honor every game day, and twice on Super Bowl Sunday.
    ===========
    your response is exactly what i am talking about.
    your team cheats and the rest of us are whiny crybabies for calling you out on it?
    your team cheats and instead of being a standup person, you defend it?
    disgusting
    makes me wonder how many of you are paid trolls.

    doesnt matter. either way, whether you like it or not, the pats and broncos will always be looked at as cheaters.

    that is your TRUE legacy.

    50 years from now – people will continue to see those * over the illgotten gains.

  180. sumkat says:
    Feb 3, 2017 12:11 PM
    When this question is answered, I’ll stop caring completely

    If there as nothing of note on the tapes, why were the tapes physically destroyed, with none of the damaged parties, getting a chance to see what information of theirs was gathered illegally by the Patriots?

    I can think of only one logical reason, so nobody knew what was actually on the tapes. Which leads to the logical question, if the tapes were exactly as described (illegally taping practices), or anything less, why not let people see them? Clearly the only reason not to let people see them is because they were worse than they thought

    That being said, it was 10 years ago, it’s over. The NFL destroyed all evidence, so more information is never going to come out. From now until forever, there are going to be those that thought they didn’t cheat (Pats fans), and those that think they did (everyone else). No new information is going to come out to change that, because that information was destroyed
    ========================
    A couple of things:

    1. The tapes were presented\viewed to the media as well as viewed publicly at the NFL offices for 2 weeks. Based on this it’s difficult to harmonize “none of the damaged parties, getting a chance to see what information of theirs was gathered” and ” why not let people see them”. Clearly that isn’t the case.

    2. For the moment, assume all the parties did view the tapes. Are you suggesting an acceptable remediation would be to allow the Patriots to keep the tapes? What’s the value of the NFL keeping the tapes (again assuming all the parties viewed the tapes)? We all now have the benefit of seeing how this NFL administration conducts business. Are you really surprised the tapes weren’t released to the general public. Additionally, if the press that viewed the tapes saw something interesting\compelling don’t you think they would have wrote it up?

    3. The only basis for your entire position making logical sense would be to base it on the premise that what people saw on the tapes was sanitized in an effort to hide something. Which if that is the case the natural question that follows is based on what?

  181. sixtimesbchamps says:
    Feb 3, 2017 12:11 PM
    Hey, there is only one reason Goodell burned the tapes. There was true evidence he didn’t want seen by anyone other than himself.
    ================
    You know this how?

  182. He could be right. They did film the panthers practice, so again, the history of cheating accusations can’t be taken lightly.

  183. veddermn8 says:
    Feb 3, 2017 11:53 AM
    “Clear view of the coaches”? Everyone has a clear view of the coaches, including people at home watching. That’s why coaches cover their mouths when speaking. And yes stealing signals has been a part of sports forever, its why teams use signals in the first place. And bull pen coaches have been using binoculars since bull pens were invented so your technology stance doesn’t fly either.
    =======
    No kidding. The amount of time it would take to produce a coaches tape showing a player running down the sideline? Answer: < 30 seconds.

    Next argument: The coaches aren't on the sidelines. 🙂

  184. sumkat says:
    Feb 3, 2017 12:11 PM
    When this question is answered, I’ll stop caring completely

    If there as nothing of note on the tapes, why were the tapes physically destroyed, with none of the damaged parties, getting a chance to see what information of theirs was gathered illegally by the Patriots?

    ========================================

    the general consensus by inner circles in the NFl including poeple like jay glazer who actually still has some of videotapes is that they showed a much different picture then the NFL was trying to portray.

    this included sections that showed other teams filming as well, it also showed many opposing coaoches and assistants waiving to the camera. all this showed that this was a lot more common practice then the NFL was trying to portray and they felt this bad for their ridiculous punishment and even worse for what they perceived as the image of the NFL

    you can scroll up to my above post and see the actual rules, as well you can don something none of the haters do and do some research and you will find out that other teams were caught doing this but instead of being reported to the league, their camera men were just asked to leave. and this includes the new york jets being caught at a green bay game

    very excited for you to stop caring now, but we know thats not going to happen as you will never accept an asnwer because you love to care as it is more exciting than watching your pitiful team lose

  185. The Patriots admitted cheating, were fined and punished accordingly… It’s part of NFL history, I’m not sure what the confusion is on the part of Pats fans?

    It would be like the Germans refusing to admit WWII ever happened.

  186. sixtimesbchamps says:
    Feb 3, 2017 12:11 PM
    Hey, there is only one reason Goodell burned the tapes. There was true evidence he didn’t want seen by anyone other than himself. He made sure this evidence never made it to the public because his friend would have been shown cheating. I have said and will maintain, Belicheat as a head coach hasn’t won crap without Brady! Just go back and look. Wait until Brady retires, Belicheat will know his “genius” days are over.

    ======================

    …and Chuck Noll never won crap without Bradshaw
    …and Tom Landry never won crap with out Staubach
    …and Vince Lombardi never won crap without Starr

    If memory serves, the only two coaches that have won multiple titles with different QBs are Shula and Parcells (who had Belichick on his staff – go figure).

  187. Let’s take an objective look.

    The ONLY evidence for nefarious stuff, other than the official NFL report on spygate, is the OTL ESPN report last year, which was built completely on anonymous sources. So can that report be trusted? Was that report itself objective?

    In that report, the writers claimed the Patriots spied on the walkthrough of the Rams practice. They offered no evidence. But they noted this: when the Patriots walked Falk out as a surprise kickoff returner, the Patriots kicked away from him…almost like they were expecting it!

    The writers actually said that. How can they have any credibility after saying something so stupid? It took spying for the Patriots to see that it was Falk walking onto the field? The Patriots couldn’t have just seen it and decided to kick away from him? Did Falk change uniform numbers?

    That same article talked about things like serving warm gatorade!

    If you are going to write an article, built on anonymous sources, an article which concludes by saying those titles should have “an asterisk”, then you better make sure your story is serious. And yet they include stuff like that?!

    And a word about the anonymous sources: they were obviously people in the NFL offices, the SAME PEOPLE who leaked false information about the PSI of the deflated footballs! The same people who had been leaking false info and making false statements all along! People with a proven ax to grind against the Patriots. These are the people to be trusted on this stuff?

    I know someone who works in the NFL offices. And he celebrated on facebook any possible negative story on Brady. And he’s from Massachusetts! But he had worked for the Jets and the Giants. Those offices are filled with employees who came up through the Jets and the Giants. They hate the Patriots. And almost certainly they are the ones leaking stuff.

    Maybe some of what they leak is true. Maybe not. No way of knowing. But you don’t put much stock in anonymous leakers who have purposely leaked false stuff in the past and who have an agenda.

    As for illegal filming…every team did it. Probably most still do it, except maybe the Patriots, who can’t afford to get caught. Do people watch the games? ANY time a coordinator is calling in a play he holds the playsheet to hide his mouth. ANY time, ANY team. Because they ALL are trying to steal signals.

    Let’s assume the Patriots filmed the Rams practice. What did they really see? We’re talking about filming from a distance without sound. Did the Rams runs some trick play they never ran before? I mean there’s really very little useful information you can get from that. By the time of the Super Bowl, there is a mountain of film on each team.

    Let’s say the Rams were practicing the freaking statue of liberty play. How much would it help the other team to know, since they wouldn’t know when it was coming?

    One last thing, sorry about the long post. Recently the Giants were caught using walkie talkies to talk to the QB. It’s a big deal, because in theory you could even talk while the play is live. You could shout MOVE if you saw pressure coming from the edge, and the QB could move up in the pocket. I will say that I long wondered if the Patriots did that, just because Brady has such an uncanny sense of when to move up to avoid pressure. So could the Patriots be cheating like that?

    Well here’s the thing: if they were doing this, how could it ever be kept secret? Look at their first playoff game this year. They played Houston. Whose HC was former Pats Offense Coordinator. Wouldn’t he know about the cheating and try to stop it? This week the Pats play Atlanta, where former Patriots run the front office. There are Patriots coaches all over the NFL. Even Rob Ryan was with the Patriots. If the Patriots were doing something that bad, something everyone isn’t doing, these guys would know. Someone would talk. Someone would make sure the Pats don’t do it against their current team.

    But none of that ever happens.

    Because blatant cheating is not really possible. The reason is that coaches, scouts, players and front office people move around. How many backup QBs have played with Brady? And none of them knows about the cheating?

    People need to stop making excuses. The Patriots are a marvel of consistency. It’s not cheating.

  188. All spygate was was Roger Goodell doing the equivalent of a guy going to prison, and immediately beating up the toughest guy in the cell block. He had to make everyone think he was going to be a tough commissioner.

    Of course, it didn’t work, so he had to try it again with psigate. That didn’t work either, so look for some phony baloney “scandal” against the Patriots in the near future.

  189. I, for one, do not believe that the taping occurred.
    However, if it did, I would be embarrassed to admit that my Super Bowl Team (Rams) couldn’t make the necessary adjustments on the fly.

  190. I hope the Falcons somehow bend the rules, resulting in them winning the game. I would love to hear the Patriot fans crying about “cheaters”. It gets a little old hearing the Patriot fans vehemently deny any reports of wrong-doing. They are a great team and franchise, but it has been proven that they bend the rules to their advantage.

    I venture to say, Patriot fans are almost as annoying as Packer fans.

  191. “Faulk is entitled to his own opinion, but not entitled to his own facts, and on this one he got the facts wrong.”

    Come on, it’s 2017… We’re now all entitled to our own facts.

  192. I hope the Falcons somehow bend the rules, resulting in them winning the game. I would love to hear the Patriot fans crying about “cheaters”. It gets a little old hearing the Patriot fans vehemently deny any reports of wrong-doing. They are a great team and franchise, but it has been proven that they bend the rules to their advantage.

    I venture to say, Patriot fans are almost as annoying as Packer fans.

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    wondering why us pats fans get upset?? you just made a point acting like the falcons dont cheat but you wish they did, they were busted two seasons ago pumping in fake noise to their stadiums. you dont to swish they cheat they have already proven that they in fact do cheat

  193. vikes8480 says:
    Feb 3, 2017 1:22 PM
    I hope the Falcons somehow bend the rules, resulting in them winning the game. I would love to hear the Patriot fans crying about “cheaters”. It gets a little old hearing the Patriot fans vehemently deny any reports of wrong-doing. They are a great team and franchise, but it has been proven that they bend the rules to their advantage.

    I venture to say, Patriot fans are almost as annoying as Packer fans.
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    There is no scenario where Pats fans do not call out other teams for cheating. Ever. Again.

  194. Anybody ever noticed the players and coaches going over still pictures during the game? Just curious.

  195. LSUStrong says:
    Feb 3, 2017 11:30 AM
    Sorry but it is illegal to video tape signals. Otherwise why would the NFL restrict the location of video taping.
    ___________________
    Most fans know that taping signals has NEVER been against the rules. LSUStrong has been told this 1000 times, but he insists on telling that lie over and over.

  196. Brady getting booed the loudest of all past SB MVPs last year in Santa Clara is the pulse of NFL fans all over. And it’s because of this. He can thank Belicheat and Ernie Adams for their roles.
    But what franchise wouldn’t trade $1.75 million in fines , a few drafts picks, and internet message board bantering for their blinder-sporting fanbase for four Lombardies.

  197. qbarrel says:
    Feb 3, 2017 12:53 PM

    If memory serves, the only two coaches that have won multiple titles with different QBs are Shula and Parcells (who had Belichick on his staff – go figure).
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    Joe Gibbs says hi.

  198. qbarrel says:
    Feb 3, 2017 12:53 PM

    If memory serves, the only two coaches that have won multiple titles with different QBs are Shula and Parcells (who had Belichick on his staff – go figure).
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    And Shula only won with Griese.

  199. racksie says:
    Feb 3, 2017 2:19 PM

    Anybody ever noticed the players and coaches going over still pictures during the game? Just curious.
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    Now they get to go over video footage, from the same game, which completely negates spygate.

  200. Faulk could have brought this up off-camera to Brady directly during the post-game interview after the AFCCG last week, but he didn’t have the balls (so to speak). He has absolutely no problem whining about it to anyone who sticks a mic in his face, but when it comes to confronting anyone from the Patriots organization, he zips up tight like a little scared lapdog. That’s because he knows deep down the Rams were owned that day. End of story.

  201. Like all of his ilk, Faulk has no need for facts, but he desperately needs excuses.

    It permeates all his comments on air. Loved watching him squirm when other players were stating why Brady is overwhelmingly the GOAT.

    Then he whined “but Montana never lost a super bowl”. Yes, because he played like crap in the playoffs and wasn’t good enough to get there THREE MORE TIMES!

    You lost Faulk because you weren’t good enough to win. Just like my Pats lost two bowls and could lose against a great team this Sunday. When you lose it’s because you weren’t good enough – no frigging whining and excuses. Congrats to the other guy.

  202. yourunclerico says:
    Feb 3, 2017 12:28 PM

    50 years from now – people will continue to see those * over the illgotten gains.

    Assuming current age based on the prose style, what I’m hearing is you’ll still be trolling NE when you’re 60.

  203. I’m kind of sad,

    I used to think of Marshall as the better of the Faulks but now I know he’s no Kevin.

    It’s called cognitive dissonance. A condition where once a brain is locked onto a concept no power on earth can cause it to accept the accurate version.

    Remember those commercials that told us a mind is a terrible thing to waste? Evidently neither does Marshall.

  204. luckyforus says:
    Feb 3, 2017 9:44 AM
    “Sorry but it is illegal to video tape signals. Otherwise why would the NFL restrict the location of video taping.”

    It is absolutely NOT illegal to tape signals. The restriction on location is to prevent the video from being used by players and coaches during the game being played. That is why the taping is restricted to an enclosed booth, with 3 walls and a roof, but that booth has a clear view of the entire field and the opponent’s sideline including signalling coaches.

    Goodell and the media attempted to convince the public that the punishment was because they were stealing signals. It wasn’t.

    And, the reason that those videotapes were destroyed was for the same reason that the results from the leagues “random” ball pressure checks during the 2015 season were never made public or released. The results would have contradicted the leagues prior actions in having severely punished the Patriots team, the coach in the case of the former, and their QB in the case of the latter.

  205. absolutevisuals says:
    Feb 3, 2017 6:27 AM

    Here’s paraphrased line on the report from another outlet, “The Patriots’ taping apparently went undetected until 2006, when Packers security caught cameraman Matt Estrella filming illegally. (He claimed he was merely taking scenic shots for “Kraft Productions.”) That offseason, the NFL warned the Patriots in writing. Before the next year’s opener the Jets set up a sting operation, with the assistance of team and NFL security, to catch the Patriots in the act.

    They caught Estrella filming, and actively trying to hide his employer.”
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    That last line is why you have to laugh at all those chowd’head Spygate apologists. Yes, this was all so “innocent” the guy was wearing the shirt of a non-existent film production company. Of course, ALL people who know they’re not doing anything wrong routinely try to disguise themselves and hide their true employer’s identity. So for all the ripping of Faulk by chowds, almost anything’s possible when it comes to the Patriots.

    Right now though I’m chuckling about Goodell giving Chowd Nation the “we’re on to ___” treatment in his comments about Deflategate. Oh snap! The Belichick treatment handed out to the Patsie fan.

  206. Sorry but it is illegal to video tape signals. Otherwise why would the NFL restrict the location of video taping.
    ___________________
    Most fans know that taping signals has NEVER been against the rules. LSUStrong has been told this 1000 times, but he insists on telling that lie over and over.
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    rick01112: you have me mixed up with luckyforus. My comment appears at the bottom of that thread, not the top.

  207. You Patriot bashers are doing yourselves a great disservice by deluding yourselves with this kind of nonsense. Mankind will never witness this level of excellence again. Petty jealousy is preventing you from appreciating it. Don’t deny yourself the privilege of soaking up the glory of the greatest athlete who ever lived in his prime. Don’t fight it. Just sit there quietly and take your medicine.

  208. It’s almost sad to read how stupid people can be.

    They don’t know the facts and never will.

    They don’t understand science and never will.

    They do know how to show their ignorance and always will.

    Marshall F doesn’t have two SB rings and NEVER WILL.

    Now get to the NFL network commissary and order the large bowl of crybaby soup

  209. Faulk knows the truth and so do most people who quit guzzling Patriots’ Kool-Aid. This sub par team was tired of getting humiliated in the SB and Belichick promised to end that humiliation at all costs. The only problem is that once cheating makes you win, you can’t stop cheating. On to Philadelphia* Carolina* and Seattle*.
    .

  210. takeyourpunishmentandquitwhininglikeababy cries and whines:
    Feb 3, 2017 7:34 PM

    Faulk knows the truth and so do most people who quit guzzling Patriots’ Kool-Aid. This sub par team was tired of getting humiliated in the SB and Belichick promised to end that humiliation at all costs. The only problem is that once cheating makes you win, you can’t stop cheating. On to Philadelphia* Carolina* and Seattle*.
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    Quit whining like a baby.

  211. ampatsisahypocrite says:
    Feb 3, 2017 3:32 PM

    That last line is why you have to laugh at all those chowd’head Spygate apologists. Yes, this was all so “innocent” the guy was wearing the shirt of a non-existent film production company. Of course, ALL people who know they’re not doing anything wrong routinely try to disguise themselves and hide their true employer’s identity. So for all the ripping of Faulk by chowds, almost anything’s possible when it comes to the Patriots.
    ———————————————-
    Just curious, what about Belichick stating what he thought he was doing was legal is unclear? Nobody is claiming it was innocent or legal. The distinction comes from “taping signals is not legal”. It’s not illegal and never has been. Doing it from the sidelines is illegal. This notion the Patriots were trying to hide it is nothing more than conjecture. There’s no evidence to suggest the Patriots were trying to hide it. None.

  212. Of course, Belichick and Kraft paid those fines because they were falsely accused. Listen, people don’t shell out that kind of cash when they are innocent. As for Brady, he’s been drinking Trump’s koolaid which makes you fight everything. And still he got court stomped. All cheaters. Faulk is right and history will one day expose this organization as the most dishonest since the 1919 White Sox.

  213. “Faulk is entitled to his own opinion, but not entitled to his own facts, and on this one he got the facts wrong.”

    You are wrong about saying Faulk got the facts wrong. Faulk may be biased in his reliance on certain eyewitness accounts to the exclusion of other conflicting evidence but he is not relying on facts that are exclusively his own, whatever that might mean.

    Faulk does not support his belief by reference to the Boston Globe story or its retraction. The Boston Glove retraction is actually irrelevant to the eyewitness accounts on which Faulk bases his belief.

    By the way, the Boston Globe made a mistake in claiming that because they could not obtain the tape or a copy of it that a tape did not exist. The Globe was wrong because the Globe reported that a tape existed when it could not obtain or see the tape, or otherwise objectively verify the existence of the tape. The Globe mistook eyewitness accounts that a taping occurred for evidence that a tape could be produced for verification.

    A murder occurs even when a dead body cannot be recovered. The fact that a murder occurred is the verdict of a jury, which can be overturned given new evidence. As of today, the jury is out and probably will never render a verdict in this case.

    1. What took place is a fact, if and only if what took place can be verified. If there is no conclusive verification, there is no conclusive fact, even though it is an undeniable fact that a tape either did or did not exist.

    2. There is conflicting and indirect evidence for the tape in the form of eye witness accounts.

    3. Eyewitness accounts are not very reliable, but are the basis of most jury trial convictions involving violent crime.

    4. There is no “fact” that a tape did not exist, only that the existence of such a tape could not be directly verified by independent third parties.

    5. Even though the evidence for the tape is weak, Faulk can still base his belief on such weak evidence. He is not wrong on his facts; he is just selective or biased, depending on how you evaluate the credibility of the conflicting eyewitness accounts and personal statements.

  214. “Listen, people don’t shell out that kind of cash when they are innocent.”

    ***

    Uh, yeah, what world do you live in? People settle to make issues go away all the time, whether or not the story’s true.

  215. Not a shred of evidence… Marshall, the empty can makes the most noise.

    You are innocent until proven guilty unless you play in the NFL or are affiliated with the NE Patriots.

  216. majormeatcurtains says:
    Feb 3, 2017 6:54 AM
    Hehe, alternative facts. Like the IGL that the millenials quote? The same law that stipulates how a Ideal Gas behaves. A IDEAL GAS. Look up Ideal gas. Atmosphere isn’t there.
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    I suggest achieving basic mastery of the use of indefinite articles, after which we can address the scientific illiteracy.

  217. This thread is filled with laughably inept comments that include:

    a) “facts” that are completely inaccurate recollections, or
    b) “facts” that are simply made-up untruths about rules that did or did not exist

    ACTUAL FACT: There was never a single shred of evidence presented that a taping of the Rams practice occurred.
    There was no tape of the Rams practice ever recovered during the investigation, so it was NOT EVEN POSSIBLE for a tape or tapes of it to be destroyed by Goodell. People, like Marshall Faulk, who claim that the Rams practice tapes were destroyed by Goodell are simply confusing their recollections of the ALLEGED taping of the Rams practice with the in-game tape of Jets coaches signals that occurred many years later, a/k/a Spygate.

    ACTUAL FACT: Even though the NFL later destroyed the Spygate tape from the Jets game, a copy of the tape had previously been obtained by Jay Glazer, who played a short sample of it during a Fox broadcast. The “incriminating” information it shows is very simple:
    1) Jets coach on sideline signaling in a play
    2) jerky camera zooms over to scoreboard to show clock, down and distance to go.

    This tape was made so that the signals could be decoded later by matching up each signal with other game tape of how the defense was deployed and executed. I saw the Glazer broadcast of the excerpt along with millions of others who watched that broadcast. Glazer still has the complete copy. The NFL destroying the tape doesn’t really matter – it still exists, and it’s pretty simple to understand what’s on it even without seeing it.

    ACTUAL FACT: It is NOT illegal to tape coaches signals today, and never was illegal, ever. There are many official cameras that record different angles and zoom levels of every game – these tapes are actually shared by the teams. Teams may also legally create videos, including opposing coaches signals, from non-sideline locations. In 2006, videotaping ANYTHING (NOT JUST COACHES SIGNALS) FROM THE SIDELINES was made “illegal” via a memo, not a rule change. The memo was issued leading in to the 2007 season, so even sideline videotaping was legal before 2007. The Jets-Patriots game was on opening weekend of the 2007 season, so the Jets coaches signals from that one game COMPRISES THE ONLY SPYGATE VIDEO THAT WAS “ILLEGAL” (if a memo makes it illegal…). As noted above, the COMPLETE Spygate video is still in Jay Glazer’s possession, and he broadcast a sample of it on Fox Sports. Nothing is actually hidden that MILLIONS OF PEOPLE haven’t already seen. Enough already with the wild conspiracy theories of Spygate videotapes. We saw it and know what is on it, and it’s not very complicated (see above).

    ACTUAL FACT: Tuck Rule existed prior to the Patriots-Oakland playoff game, and had been invoked previously during NFL games, including one call that went AGAINST the Patriots that same season.

    ACTUAL FACT: The Ideal Gas Law does apply to the Colts-Patriots AFCCG footballs (nd all other inflated footballs). The Ideal Gas Law was cited in the Wells Report as appropriate for helping to explain the “apparent” reduction in pressure of the Colts as well as Patriots footballs.

    ACTUAL FACT: If the Ideal Gas Law is applied to the data from one of the two gauges used to record pressure at halftime (THE ONE THE REFEREE TESTIFIED THAT HE RECALLED USING BEFORE THE GAME), IT COMPLETELY EXPLAINS THE REDUCED PRESSURE MEASUREMENTS OF THE PATRIOTS’ FOOTBALLS.

    ACTUAL FACT: Roger Goodell is a proven liar based on his statement made after Tom Brady’s hearing (that Tom Brady claimed he never discussed the AFCCG ball pressure issue with the Patriots equipment man, even though phone recotds indicated several phone calls were made between them). When the case went to court, the court compelled the NFL to release the transcripts of Tom Brady’s hearing, revealing that Tom Brady testified that he did in fact discuss the ball pressure issue with the equipment man. Roger Goodell flat out lied about Tom Brady’s testimony in the hearing.

    There seem to be about 10 individuals (let’s call them “accounts”) on these forums who post the same tired and wildly inaccurate accusations over and over again. There alao are some individuals that appear unbiased by pro or anti-Patriots sentiment, who have a healthy skepticism of both sides. If not for those few and far between comments, these PFT forums would be COMPLETELY unbearable to read, so thank you to them for their sanity-check insights.

  218. takeyourpunishmentandquitwhininglikeababy says:
    Feb 4, 2017 8:11 PM
    Of course, Belichick and Kraft paid those fines because they were falsely accused. Listen, people don’t shell out that kind of cash when they are innocent. As for Brady, he’s been drinking Trump’s koolaid which makes you fight everything. And still he got court stomped. All cheaters. Faulk is right and history will one day expose this organization as the most dishonest since the 1919 White Sox.
    =============
    And as usual … everything boils down to the future exposing the truth. Meanwhile delusional fans and players like Faulk continue to mire the present with unsubstantiated accusations passed off as facts. Despite being anything but.

  219. dschminck says:
    Feb 4, 2017 8:58 PM
    “Faulk is entitled to his own opinion, but not entitled to his own facts, and on this one he got the facts wrong.”
    ===============
    If you read the comments from Faulk he clearly claims the taping of the practice. Since we aren’t using the Boston Globe article as the foundation for that claim what is he basing it on? If he did in fact see somebody (from the Patriots) taping the practice he is literally the only reported person who did.

    So no, you can’t just go around making up your own “facts” just because it supports your ridiculous claims.

  220. takeyourpunishmentandquitwhininglikeababy says:
    Feb 4, 2017 8:11 PM
    Of course, Belichick and Kraft paid those fines because they were falsely accused. Listen, people don’t shell out that kind of cash when they are innocent. As for Brady, he’s been drinking Trump’s koolaid which makes you fight everything. And still he got court stomped. All cheaters. Faulk is right and history will one day expose this organization as the most dishonest since the 1919 White Sox.
    =============
    And as usual … everything boils down to the future exposing the truth. Meanwhile delusional fans and players like Faulk continue to mire the present with unsubstantiated accusations passed off as facts. Despite being anything but.
    ==================
    On a related note, the irony of the complaints about whiny Patriots fans refuting the unsubstantiated accusations hasn’t gone unnoticed. 🙂

  221. Who cares…

    I am sick at what is currently happening in the Houston. Why is New England playing so poorly?

    When another team plays well (Atlanta) it must be because NEP isn’t cheating enough… Hyperbole anyone?

  222. “I don’t believe anything. I’m just telling you the facts,” Faulk said.

    Listen if you’re going to make false accusations at least stand by them, Marshall.

  223. As alltee above shows, the real issue from the beginnings of Spygate is THE LEAGUE is the one that is misquoting its own rulebook and then rather than admit to making the mistake the league chooses to double down on misquoting its own rulebook. These controversies that have happened under Roger Goodell all stem from Goodell’s refusal to understand any aspect of the rulebook or the inner workings of teams and the game.

    Marshall Faulk’s opinion is not based on anything but malice, and for a guy in his media position that should be an offense for which he should always be held accountable.

  224. I watched Rich Eisen question Faulk about his steadfast beliefs and to tell you the truth I wasn’t angry at Faulk’s hostility. He is living in a shrinking world of his own making and becoming smaller for it. With this latest triumph of Brady these continuous charges and accusations of his for some phantom long past wrong done him have lately acquired a smell and taint of neurosis and makes him sound more like someone to pity rather than get angry with.

  225. Lol this clown played for howard Mudd when he was on Indianapolis, hes probably the grandfather of filming signals. As Deion even stated the other night, it was well known thru the league that Indy had someone taping signals and calling them out on the sidelines.

    Marshall faulk is so salty, i almost feel bad for him.

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