Patriots may still get an offer they can’t refuse for Jimmy Garoppolo

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The Patriots don’t plan to trade backup quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo. But how likely is it that their plans will change?

Shortly after Adam Schefter reported (echoing something Peter King had said) that the Patriots aren’t trading Garoppolo, Mike Reiss of ESPN noted that the Patriots may still change their minds.

Reiss, a longtime Boston reporter who is very plugged-in to the way the Patriots do business, suggests that the Patriots may get an offer they can’t refuse. Reiss speculates that if a team offered its 2017 first-round draft pick plus a conditional future first-round draft pick, that would be enough for Bill Belichick to decide to deal Garoppolo.

That would be a lot for some other team to give up. It would also be a lot more than the Patriots got the last time they traded Tom Brady’s backup: In 2009, the Patriots packaged Matt Cassel with Mike Vrabel and only got a second-round pick in return. Garoppolo for two first-round picks would be a whole lot better than that.

What it would take remains to be seen, but Reiss is surely correct that there has to be some offer that would at least get Belichick to listen. Garoppolo is, after all, just a backup, and if things go as planned he’ll never see the field in 2017. And after 2017 Garoppolo is a free agent. At that point the Patriots would either lose him for nothing more than a compensatory pick, or franchise him and devote more than $20 million in cap space to a backup, something no team has ever done.

That assumes Garoppolo will still be a backup in 2018. Does Belichick think Brady may only have one more year left in him? If so, it would make sense to hang on to Garoppolo and hope he can become the Aaron Rodgers to Brady’s Brett Favre, or the Steve Young to Brady’s Joe Montana.

But Brady insists he still has several more good years left in him. If the Patriots believe Brady, it would seem to make more sense to trade Garoppolo and acquire a player or players who can help them keep winning with Brady. As Reiss notes, the right offer would get the Patriots to make that move, even if their plan for now is to keep their backup quarterback in place.

71 responses to “Patriots may still get an offer they can’t refuse for Jimmy Garoppolo

  1. The reason the Vikings traded so much for Bradford was because they thought they had a Super Bowl caliber team until they lost bridgewater and didn’t want to be 4-12 a year they thought could’ve been a winning season. Unless a contenders QB gets injuried they won’t offer as much. Why would Cleveland offer a 1st this year when they can use that draft pick on a top CB to pair with the pass rusher they get 1 overall and go after jimmy in FA next year and their team will be more prepared to compete. Jimmy won’t carry them to the playoffs without a supporting cast.

  2. Even if they trade Garoppolo because of a deal they can’t refuse, I bet BB will probably find another gem in the draft. Win win for Patriots.

  3. ding, ding, ding!

    Of course they will.

    With the QB class being questionable and weak, Jimmy looking outsanding with all eyes on him, he’s clearly at least worth a 1st rd pick, plus more.

    Likely a 1st and a 2nd.

    BB’s leaking of intentions is nothing more than to play it coy and wait it out until draft day, if not sooner.

    He’s gone.

    BB does not carry 3 QBs just because.

  4. I can see a Vito Corleone type making such an offer. He’s probably speaking to Clemenza and Tessio (the smart one) right now. He’ll make such an offer and if it doesn’t work, then he may send Luca Brasi to talk things over.

  5. It is hard to imagine a team giving up that much draft capital for an unproven player, but at the same time it isn’t really fair to compare Jimmy G to Cassel. Cassel was a career backup at USC and a 7th round draft pick, whereas Jimmy G was a 3.5 year starter and a second round draft pick.

    Given the importance of the quarterback position, it wouldn’t be out of this world for a team in a “win now” mindset that has all the other pieces in place to sacrifice a mid-teens to twenties first rounder this year and what they hope to be a high twenties (not even going to suggest thirties) pick next year.

  6. All these stories that the Pats will or won’t move on Garoppolo don’t mean a thing. It all comes down to just that: Anyone can be bought if the price is right.

    I think that any comments coming out off Patriot Place earlier today are just meant to set the market by saying; “we ain’t giving him away…but you can drop on by and blow us away with an incredible offer and we’ll do a deal…”

  7. Great smoke screen by Belichick. Personally, I know Tommy will be going soon and I would LOVE to have him succeed Tom. But, maybe they “yanked him” from the market, only to tease and see who is DESPERATE ENOUGH to hand over a ransom

  8. there going to hold onto him for the first part of the 2017 season. Then just like last season (ie. Sam Bradford)after a couple of QB’s get hurt all of a sudden there will be one hell of a market for him.

  9. People in the Pats organization ‘leaked’ to AShefter that they weren’t trading Garoppolo? Yeah, riigghht. When’s the last time that organization leaked anything important? I’ve seen them cancel FA visits because the agent told the press they were on the way to Foxboro. I like Shefter, I think he’s one of the most reliable of the talking heads out there. But as PTBarnum once said…

  10. A 40-year old starting qb. F-o-r-t-y. If you had to replace him this year, how would you do it? The draft? NE has been a perennial playoff team for the better part of the past 2 decades. Difficult to see them parting with a guy they know they can win with.

  11. Having a top tier QB in this league is worth almost anything these days. They’re hard to find. If someone thinks JG can be that, pay for it.

  12. “That assumes Garoppolo will still be a backup in 2018. Does Belichick think Brady may only have one more year left in him?”

    You also have to consider that Brady might decide to retire after all if, and its a big if because it so hard to do, repeat as SB champs.

    Maybe playing in 8 and winning 6 would be enough to finally make even Brady happy.

  13. There’s a real definitive piece of information. It’s articles like this that originate on Professional Football Thunks that keeps me informed. Where else would I go to stay up to date?

  14. smart. send this guy’s price through the ceiling. if no one offers you anything, no worries. if someone does, enjoy the draft picks for years to come – while the trading team reaps the *benefits* of the next matt cassell.

  15. I agree. Comparisons to other QBs and other trades are pretty irrelevant. Three years of game day and practice experience with the GOAT coach/QB tandem is something that comparisons don’t consider. JG could be the next Aaron Rodgers type of QB (after observing Favre, etc) in waiting as easy as he could be Bradford or Cassel. Nobody really knows, but it could be a less risky bet than a rookie draft pick.

  16. I’m curious as to why the franchise tag sounds so scary to people when you factor in that Garoppolo makes $1 mil. this year.

    If you get him for two years (through the franchise tag) he will cost on average about $11 mil./year which is still less than Fitzpatrick money. If it doesn’t work it’s not like you broke the bank like Houston did for Osweiler. Now granted, by trading for him you will lose draft capital but that may be negligible depending on the teams trading for him.

  17. Everyone keeps forgetting that he only has one year left on his contract. Next year he will 1.) hit the open market 2.) Get franchised and be another Kirk Cousins debacle or 3.) get Brock Osweiller money. If he goes 7-9 with Cleveland is he worth 20 million guaranteed each year for 4 years? That’s what they are going to have to pay him to keep him.

    Deshaun, Deshone, Mitch, Davis, Pat are all gambles but all come with cheap 4 year deals. Jimmy G is a gamble and you only get him for 1 year before they have to invest highest paid QB of all time money.

    This factor alone does not make him worth the number 1 pick.

  18. There is a very good chance they could keep him and do a tag and trade deal like they did with Cassel at the end of the year. They will certainly get less for a tagged player than a guy with a year left on a rookie deal, but if they are looking at a first this year versus a 2nd next year on a tag and trade scenario, it might make sense to hold onto him another year. Every QB is one hit away from IR.

  19. tylawspick6 says:
    Mar 1, 2017 1:23 PM

    ding, ding, ding!

    Of course they will.

    With the QB class being questionable and weak, Jimmy looking outsanding with all eyes on him, he’s clearly at least worth a 1st rd pick, plus more.

    Likely a 1st and a 2nd.
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    ..a 1st AND a 2nd? your smoking CRACK son!

  20. Yeah right…he’s great! Just like Ryan Mallett, Brian Hoyer & Matt Cassel….hall of famers according to Patriot fans!

  21. Denver got TWO 1st round picks for Cutler. It could happen

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    And a 3rd!

    And everyone knew Cutler was a bust due to his attitude and inability to be coached.

    Jimmy is the complete opposite of Cutler.

  22. The Patriots drafted Brissett for a reason. It wasn’t to be the #3 QB for the duration of his rookie deal.

    It’s because they know Garoppolo is moving on. He had a year where he got more experience than they intended. By all accounts, he fares better picking up things than Garoppolo did as a rookie. Trading Jimmy while his value is at an all time high is a no brainer. You still have a talented young kids waiting in the wings if something happened to Brady next year or the year after.

    Garoppolo will be moved.

  23. Reiss, a longtime Boston reporter who is very plugged-in to the way the Patriots do business, suggests that the Patriots may get an offer they can’t refuse. Reiss speculates that if a team offered its 2017 first-round draft pick plus a conditional future first-round draft pick, that would be enough for Bill Belichick to decide to deal Garoppolo.
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    I’ve been to Western Mass twice and Boston once. So I’m as plugged in to the team. But if I can get 2 1st’s for a BU, I’m pretty sure any organization would take that.

  24. I think Belichick’s ideal trade for Jimmy G wouldn’t include a first rounder at all. He often trades out of the first round to get out of the first round contracts that they entail. I bet BB would prefer two 2nd rounders and a 3rd spread over a couple of years than a top 12 pick this year along with a late rounder. Too many busts with big contracts at the top of the draft and the Pats have had better luck on their returns in the middle rounds of the draft.

  25. There is no way in hades that anyone, not even the Browns, will give up two first round draft picks for Jimmy Garappolo. I’d be surprised if any team gave up one first-rounder for him.

    He doesn’t have the track record to justify that cost, and the Patriots know it. If they could muster a second round pick, I figure they’ll pull the trigger.

  26. I’m curious as to why the franchise tag sounds so scary to people when you factor in that Garoppolo makes $1 mil. this year.
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    What you say is technically true, it’s still fuzzy math. First of all, I don’t think anyone has ever put the franchise tag and payed someone to be a backup. Second, they would have to pay the QB position north of 40 mil in 2018, where one of them doesn’t even play. That’s almost 25% of your cap. I suppose you could do it, but for a team so interested in value, I don’t see it.

  27. I’d give up a first to have him on my team if I was the Browns, prolly the 12th. Why not I mean the have wasted so many 1st rnd picks anyways what’s one more?

  28. fwippel says:
    Mar 1, 2017 2:29 PM
    There is no way in hades that anyone, not even the Browns, will give up two first round draft picks for Jimmy Garappolo. I’d be surprised if any team gave up one first-rounder for him.

    He doesn’t have the track record to justify that cost, and the Patriots know it. If they could muster a second round pick, I figure they’ll pull the trigger.

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    They spent a second rounder just to get him. Then they invested all the work to groom him. So a second rounder got him would be taking a loss on their investment. For the Patriots to take a loss is the most unrealistic thought any other team homer can have. So there has to be a way a team will give up a first and more for him. Otherwise ‘no deal’ is an option that works fine for the Pats.

  29. rushbacker says:
    Mar 1, 2017 2:14 PM
    Anyone who gives up a first for Matt Cassel 2.0 is a FOOL. . . let alone two firsts.
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    That doesn’t make any sense at all. Cassel is the reason why you should trade for Garrapolo. Belichik and his staff took a QB that never started a single game in college and turned him into a starter in the NFL for 2 different 11-5 teams and he made a Pro Bowl and won a division title. How many QB’s that never started in College made the Pro Bowl in the NFL? I bet the list begins and ends with Matt Cassel. Garrapolo started with much more talent and experience so If they coached up Garrapolo like they coached up Cassel then he should be at least as good as Dan Marino by now.

  30. Pats too greedy.

    (Teams wanting a QB would be better off throwing The Bengals a 2nd & 4th for AJ McCarron……

    A couple of senior NFL execs have said as much already…….)

  31. Regardless of what you all think….Jimmy G is not Cassel or Mallett…He’s 2nd best QB in AFC East, and capable of talking team to playoffs and winning. You cannot name 3 opposing team QB’s in AFC better than him…Carr, right now, Ben..today, but not for long, Luck…maybe on paper, but don’t bet mortgage on it….After the 1st 2, not really anyone.

    Is he Brady???? No…no one is or will be.

    But…any team wanting him…starts w/a 1st and 2nd….And even if that, many NE fans won’t be happy

  32. They’re not taking a loss on their investment. THe investment was to be a backup. He was.

    What is the return on investment on Hightower? He’s gone for a 3rd comp (if he leaves). Or any other player? How about Easley, whom they cut? 1st round pick didn’t even play out his contract. What was their return on investment there?

  33. I’m sure this will get a buzz, but San Fran has been sniffing all over on Garappolo. Shanahan needs to make a splash and I seriously doubt that the Pats would pass up on an offer for the second pick for the backup QB. If they get it, do not be surprised that the Pats use it to take ILB Rueben Foster-Alabama

  34. 1. Belichick is playing Cleveland like a fiddle. He will get the 12th overall pick and next year’s 2nd rounder.
    2. Brissett is the future QB.
    3. BB will trade the 12th pick for another ransom unless he takes OJ Howard to pair with Gronk.
    4. If…BB keeps Garoppolo, then look out, he has the next Tom Brady in house.

    Ignoring #4 above, there is no chance he keeps JG. None.

  35. What if Garoppolo is Matt Hasselbeck? No track record, went to 3 Pro Bowls, many playoff gms and a SBowl. Was he worth a 1rst(not exactly what they got, but close.). I say yes. We don’t know, but IMO JG can be at least as good. Might be worth a swing.

  36. I would be open to trading Brady and keeping Garoppolo if Belichick really believes in him. There is more upside to that deal.

  37. .
    Patriots fans are not smarter than fans in other cities However, they are very knowledgeable. Much of that intellectual capacity is filled with great insight from Mike Reiss. He’s the ” Grey Goose” of sports journalism. That is, he’s top shelf.
    .

  38. razzlejag says:
    Mar 1, 2017 3:55 PM
    1. Belichick is playing Cleveland like a fiddle. He will get the 12th overall pick and next year’s 2nd rounder.
    2. Brissett is the future QB.
    3. BB will trade the 12th pick for another ransom unless he takes OJ Howard to pair with Gronk.
    4. If…BB keeps Garoppolo, then look out, he has the next Tom Brady in house.

    Ignoring #4 above, there is no chance he keeps JG. None.
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    LOL at #2. Brissett sucks. When are these Pats homers going to realize all of the Patriots success is because of Brady. Belichick aint going to stay after Father time hits Brady.

  39. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    Mar 1, 2017 4:02 PM
    I would be open to trading Brady and keeping Garoppolo if Belichick really believes in him. There is more upside to that deal.

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    Lol, you really hate him a lot. Your posts always reflect that.

  40. superpatriotsfan says:
    Mar 1, 2017 1:53 PM

    Lol Jimmy aint sniffing the playoffs without Brady and Belichick. Another Mat Cassel, Ryan Mallet, etc.
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    Cassel made the playoffs and the Pro Bowl while Mallet is still in the league. Sure they aren’t Brady but nobody is. LOL at you predicting the future though.

  41. Jimmy to Cleveland.

    T Pryor, a 1st and 2nd round pick to the PATS

    If he stays then next year may be Brady’s last.

  42. superpatriotsfan says:
    Mar 1, 2017 4:26 PM

    LOL at #2. Brissett sucks. When are these Pats homers going to realize all of the Patriots success is because of Brady. Belichick aint going to stay after Father time hits Brady.

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    Actually Brissett has looked pretty good so far. But for all the good indications there is not enough info to know for sure that he is the future. But by that same light there is not enough info to declare him a bust either. LOL at you predicting the future though.

  43. There really isn’t a great deal of motivation to trade JimmyG now. They can trade him during training camp after making sure Brady and Brissett look capable. Injuries to QBs happen (just ask the Vikings). The Patriots can afford to wait until one team is desperate.

  44. pittsburghdamned says:
    Mar 1, 2017 3:39 PM
    Even BB knows Brady is pretty much done. I agree they should be in rebuilding mode

    Rebuilding mode? They just won the Super Bowl and have more cap space than the rest of the AFC East combined. What planet are you on?

  45. daddeeo says:
    Mar 1, 2017 5:25 PM
    Jimmy to Cleveland.

    T Pryor, a 1st and 2nd round pick to the PATS

    If he stays then next year may be Brady’s last.

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    The challenge here is nobody knows when will be Brady’s last. He certainly finished this season strong so it aint yet is all anyone knows. At some point it will hit and come hard and fast. Thats why its a good idea to have the succession plan waiting in the wings. It could show up in training camp this summer for all we know. Or it could be years. All we really know is we dont know. Guys that say they know are actually just citing their wishes. They dont know.

  46. theuglitruth says:
    Mar 1, 2017 2:01 PM
    Yeah right…he’s great! Just like Ryan Mallett, Brian Hoyer & Matt Cassel….hall of famers according to Patriot fans!

    Did you miss the part where Cassel stepped in for an injured Brady and led the team to an 11-5 record?
    QB’s are obviously valuable, and BB knows this. The real factor involves:
    1. How long do people in the organization think TB will be effective and
    2. How do they grade Jacoby Brissett?

    These are the questions which will determine if the Pats trade JimmyG more than anything related to JimmyG.

  47. Not buying it. Garoppolo has proven he can play and the Patriots saw their previous backups (Rohan Davey, Brian Hoyer, Ryan Mallett, Kevin O’Connell) could not play, plus present second-stringer Jacoby Brissett showed only limited quarterbacking moxie and in his limited action did NOT show appreciable improvement – on the contrary the more he played the worse he seemed to get, plus the fact the Patriots had to dumb down the playbook and then dumb it down again indicates there’s something wrong with this guy. There is ZERO reason not to keep Garoppolo.

  48. Get one more year out of Brady then trade him away for some good picks and continue the dynasty with Jimmy G.

  49. kenberthiaume says:
    Mar 1, 2017 3:31 PM

    They’re not taking a loss on their investment. THe investment was to be a backup. He was.

    What is the return on investment on Hightower?…

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    Umm…maybe two game-saving plays that led directly to two different Super Bowl victories? I’d say that’s a pretty good return on investment already. Dont’a should get what he’s worth. It’s just likely it won’t be in New England.

  50. “Reiss speculates that if a team offered its 2017 first-round draft pick plus a conditional future first-round draft pick”

    Thanks for the laugh!

  51. If the Pats truly think Garoppolo is to Brady what Steve Young was to Joe Montana and/or Aaron Rogers was to Brett Favre then they would be fools to even consider trading him for anything less than a godfather + offer. Finding a quality longterm quarterback in the NFL, let alone an elite performer, is fiendishly difficult. The absence of one leaves an NFL franchise in indefinite purgatory.

    I’ll now utter heresy. The Pats should inform touchdown Tom he has two years remaining, and if he wants to continue playing after that he’ll have to seek employment with another team. If Brady makes it to 42 the Pats will almost certainly have wrung out 95% or more of all the goodness from Brady. Considering where Brady was drafted, and his longevity, they should consider that they have done vastly better than they could have ever dreamed and move on.

  52. What most people don’t realize (but the Pats likely do) is that even if by some miracle Brady is still productive at 42, if Jimmy G is who they think he is (a big if) it still makes no sense to trade him for anything less than some kind of Herschel Walker insanity. The value of a top-5 QB relative to the median starter is absolutely enormous, probably a bigger disparity than any other position in sports.

    Drafting their next starting QB is a huge gamble, especially as they haven’t drafted high in 15 years, even though the Pats are better than anyone at identifying and harnessing value. Good chance they make Jimmy G the highest-paid backup QB in NFL history, with off-table assurances that they’ll renegotiate if Tom hangs it up.

  53. Garoppolo’s stats were much better in his limited action than Matt Cassell, Cassell had one great year in 2010 and 2 decent years in 2009 and 2008. And no one in 2011 or 2012 did any better than him on his roster, so the team needs to be there, so if you want a good QB, you better develop him:

    “in the 6th round with the 183rd pick, the Cleveland Browns pick Tom Brady….. Brady would go on to back up Tim Couch for most of his 3 year NFL career, however he showed flashes of brilliance in several games while Couch was injured in 2002. After the NFL, Brady became a Top Insurance Salesman back home in San Mateo California”

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