Relocation profitable for owners, but it cheapens their fans

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On the evening it was reported the Chargers were relocating to Los Angeles, a San Diego police officer and his partner were dispatched to the team facility. There had been an act of vandalism; a man streamed live video on social media as he pelted the city-owned building’s doors with eggs while cursing the team.

It was quiet now.

The officer stood outside a patrol car, there to deter further disruption. He is a San Diego native, he said. Some of his family members have Chargers tattoos. He grew up attending games with his dad. Now, while working his beat, the father of two toddlers absorbed the evening’s personal consequence.

He can never attend a San Diego Chargers game with his kids.

Franchise relocation, in many respects, is good for business in the NFL. Certainly, its 32 owners profit. But the real gamble Monday wasn’t the Raiders moving to Las Vegas. It was that, with a third relocation in 15 months, the league continued to cheapen the very foundation of its business: fans.

When the Rams and Chargers moved, the other 31 owners pocketed nearly $21 million in relocation fees off each franchise. On Monday, Raiders owner Mark Davis became indebted about $11 million to each owner to swap Oakland for Las Vegas. Local revenue projections from new stadiums make such payments worthwhile.

These numbers are tangible.

In exchange, the cost of weakening the facade of fandom is far more difficult to quantify.

Teams cut players. Teams trade players. That’s part of business in the NFL. But the relationship between a club and city is packaged as something beyond that. It’s portrayed, at times, as a fabric resembling family. Home markets aren’t supposed to be cut or traded. It should be a rare last resort.

Having three relocations in 15 months doesn’t merely send the wrong message.

It screams it.

It screams that NFL owners run their franchise as a business. It screams they operate in their own interests. It screams the long-term viability of a club comes first and foremost, far more valuable than how the franchise is ingrained in its followers’ lives and traditions of their families.

This is the way it always has been in many NFL cities.

In a 15-month span, the league’s gamble was being so brazen about it.

86 responses to “Relocation profitable for owners, but it cheapens their fans

  1. I’m so sorry Raiders Fans. I can only imagine how I would feel if the Lions left Detroit. All these scumbags care about is money so all that’s left for you to do at this point is boycott their games for the next two years before they move. I know it probably won’t happen but it would warm my heart to turn on a Raiders game next season and see the stands completely empty. Mark Davis deserves that and much worse.

  2. Sometimes in capitalism, there are ways to make an extra buck or two at the expense of customer loyalty. The rules will allow you to do it but what is the true price of those couple of bucks?

    My concern is that this group of owners plans on driving this league into the ground short term and will squeeze every nickel out in the meantime.

    When you consistently thumb your nose at your paying customers in increasingly bolder ways, there’s no way you can be thinking long term.

  3. The late Bills owner, Ralph Wilson, used to say that owning a team is not a business, like a car dealership, but that it is a public trust. It is easy for the owners to make money just having the team, but for the fans and communities it is so much more. His voice is missed as these owner like Jones, Kraft, and Snyder continue to ruin the league.

    (Not much different than when a politician says he can be president because he knows how to run a business. How’s that turning out?)

  4. Another dynamic may be at work – the national team fan base enjoyed by some franchises may allow certain teams to abandon their geographic roots and flourish in another locale while expanding their fan base footprint to be national or even international. Some teams travel extraordinarily well – the Steelers, Packers and Giants come to mind. The number one NFL team in Florida is probably the Giants or Patriots. It’s possible the new reality may be that fan loyalty and interest is based less on geographic identification and far more on team profile. Stadiums in the new reality may have become less about the teams and fans and more about providing the owners with antiquated foundations of wealth. We have gone from bricks and mortar shopping to the internet. I think the Raiders’ move may be less about disloyalty to fans and far more about embracing the new foundation of wealth – the national or international team. The business move may be a brilliant strategy to make the Raiders the first truly international team appealing to the tourists of Sin City while embracing the fan base that has supported them for decades. If that is the focus, Mark Davis may have just scooped the entire NFL.

  5. I don’t understand the outrage over business owners making business decisions.

    Why should teams should stay in crappy stadiums?

    Why should owners pony up money for a new stadium if someone else (namely, another city) is willing to do it for them?

    Sure, these owners can probably afford to put up cash for new stadiums (after all, they have to pay for the relocation fees), but why would they not move if that move makes their team more profitable in the long run and they get a stadium they don’t have to pay for?

    Just because they can feasibly afford to sink more of their own money into their teams (and not see a huge return on their investment) doesn’t mean they should be obligated to on behalf of fan loyalty.

  6. The NFL is a almost like a fake god. The players are worshipped. Is this worship and greed pleasing to the One true God who created the heavens and the earth? The Lords return is imminent according to the scriptures. Get ready while you still can. For the Lord is merciful and compassionate slow to anger but He will separate the sheep from the goats on Judgment Day. Money talks in the NFL but at the White Throne Judgment Seat of God it won’t mean a thing.

  7. Just another reason that tax dollars should never go towards stadiums. If my team relocated, I’d be done with everything nfl

  8. wideright91 says:
    Mar 27, 2017 8:30 PM
    The late Bills owner, Ralph Wilson, used to say that owning a team is not a business, like a car dealership, but that it is a public trust. It is easy for the owners to make money just having the team, but for the fans and communities it is so much more. His voice is missed as these owner like Jones, Kraft, and Snyder continue to ruin the league.

    I agree wideright91 with most of your comments, but lumping Kraft in with Jones, and especially Snyder, is unfair. Kraft got $0 from the state when building Gillette Stadium. The only money Massachusetts kicked in was for infrastructure around the stadium to the public roads. Kraft willingly paid for that whole stadium campus himself. Unless I’m missing something, tell me how he is contributing to ruining the league. He stepped up and kept his team in NE on his own dime.

  9. Yah, Mark Davis should stay in Oakland because the fans wanted him to even though they don’t go to games and he has to tarp off the stadium.

    What a bunch of lightweights. Do you know anything about business?

  10. Love all the negative comments, but not a sole would turn down an offfer to earn much more from a new company or their usual 3% from their current employer. None of you have ever compared car prices, clothes prices, homes or any other major purchases just went with a location. Sure. None of you would jump for $30k to $40 to $50k?

  11. Very well said and my sentiments exactly. I’m a Browns fan,we can make plenty of jokes about how the team really never came back but the fans pretty much did. They embrace the new franchise like the old one, warts and all. And Baltimore has embraced the ravens, I’ve got to give them that. But it’s very hard to see towns as transient and distracted as Vegas and L.A. really fostering the kind of long term, deep fan bases that San Diego, St Louis and Oakland had. Not in 2017 and forward when there are so many things to compete for attention and entertainment dollars. I lived in L.A. For 7 years and barely ever watch any football games. And I really didn’t know many people who did.

  12. I feel bad, but when your team plays on a baseball field for God knows how many years somethings gotta give.
    With that said, the Raiders better be good for quite a while or Las Vegas will never have home field advantage.

  13. In 15 months, the NFL has lost three cities worth of support.

    And these are not Waukesha or Hobbs NM, these are Oakland, St Louis, and San Diego. Millions of locals, disgusted with the greed that has become the NFL Way.

    Burn enough bridges, eventually you’re an island.

  14. I find it so hilarious that all you minimum wage working sweat hogs care that much about your sports teams…. It only shows people like me how miserable your daily lives filled with a crappy job, terrible wife, and ratty kids must be if it matters that much if your team wins or loses on Sunday. Make sure you set your alarm in the morning folks, because if you’re late to work tomorrow , you’re fired!!! Sweet dreams.

  15. I’m just waiting for a team that has a huge national fanbase…like the Cowboys or patriots or steelers…to up and move. 31 owners voted yes for Raiders to move and they will make money from it….from a team that has stunk for years. What if vegas or another city just built a 100k seat stadium….how long would YOUR team stay loyal?

  16. I remember a year or two after Bud Adams moved the Houston Oilers to Tennessee, he told the local paper, ”I can’t believe they (the city) didn’t make a better offer,” or something to that effect. He used Nashville as leverage for a new stadium, and Houston called his bluff. Adams felt he had to move the team to maintain some shred of dignity and pride. He got the stadium he wanted on someone else’s dime, but figuratively he also knew he’d shot himself in both of his feet, and in his hometown, no less. He lived in Houston, but Houston no longer welcomed him. Alex Spanos and Spawn of Al Davis will come to know that feeling.

  17. The Chargers were painted into a corner because if they didn’t make the move to LA, it’s clear now that the Raiders would have (and likely would have overshadowed the Rams too, which I’m sure wasn’t lost on Stan Krienke when he broke ground on the new LA mega-stadium).

    Oakland is an armpit and where they play (the O), belongs in a rotting section of Detroit for all the ambiance and charm it brings. The Raiders needed a new stadium, not Mt. Davis.

    Still the writer is 100% spot on; the long time NFL fans in good NFL cities like San Diego and Oakland are left holding nothing but a full dog poop bag. By contrast MLB has had only one franchise relocation in the past 40 years (the Expo’s), and that was unfortunately unavoidable or the franchise would have had to fold.

  18. LMAO at the 50 people that showed up in Las Vegas to celebrate getting the Raiders.

    Where is all this excitement that Jerry Jones predicted?

  19. Not that different now from the mid 1990s. But no one thinks about that anymore.

    NFL owners always bank on the same thing; fans (or customers) having short term memories and the ability to tolerate almost anything.

  20. One more item to ponder….in the last 18 months, 29 franchises have profited $75 million each, simply by voting for relocation. Yet “the business” can’t afford to pay for it’s own facilities. Keep thinking about it.

  21. It’s a sad day. Yes it is a business but I grew up in the 70’s as a fan of some very bad Giants teams and seeing the Steelers, Raiders, Dolphin’s etc. on TV and watching Franco, the Snake, Csonka, etc. every Sunday afternoon before Mutual of Ohama’s Wild Kingdom. The owners have a right to make money but in another way i’m happy another city isn’t being held hostage by these owners to build them a new stadium. Since i was a kid going to games at Giants Stadium and Shea watching Namath (on a dirt baseball infield), i’ve been to over 25 NFL cities/stadiums and as far as fans and atmosphere Oakland is in the Top 5. Stadiums such as the Oakland Coliseum and the Murph may be old but they’re fine. i could give a rat’s ass about fancy food and drink, video screens, my smartphone while i’m there TO WATCH THE GAME. …..ok that’s my soap box, I guess I’m a relic and not a money-maker to the NFL.

  22. The relocating franchise gets the free money to relocate, and then gives it to the other 31 owners as a relocation fee. The relocating franchise still basically pays out the cost of the new stadium because the other 31 owners get paid the relocation fee. If there is going to be free money, then it should come with the stipulation that there will be no relocation fee. Keep thinking about it.

  23. Pro Sports suck all about greed. Teams bleed cities and then when they don’t get their way they leave.

  24. Spoken (written?) like a reporter who just lost his job because of a relocation. Yeah it sucks, but I see no data that supports your argument that it send the wrong message. That might be your opinion, but from an objective standpoint you’ve swung and missed. Strike 1.

  25. Another point that is being missed in this discussion…as far as the Raiders move, the Oakland stadium is…by FAR…the worst in the league and it has been for years.

    Not only do they have to start each season playing on a baseball infield (which is bad enough) but the stadium itself is prone to sewer flooding on a regular basis in the visitors locker room.

    We’re not talking about a little toilet water backing up, we’re talking about a full blown FLOOD of several inches across the locker room. And raw sewage at that. Simply unacceptable for any professional team…hell not even acceptable for a Pop Warner team. But the county was too damn cheap to fix it.

    So frankly I don’t blame Mark Davis for moving. I blame the elected officials and the public voters for not putting the dollars up to fix these very basic things, when they had many years and many opportunities to do so.

  26. abninf says:
    Mar 27, 2017 8:51 PM
    It’s a business. Welcome to the real world.

    and that is the problem. When the NFL first started up it was a hobby for some rich people. Now the current trend is for the owners to wring every last dollar out of it.

  27. More teams should be like the Packers ~ community owned.

    If my Saints are ever sold I hope they are sold to the people who love and support them – the fans.

    Im sure most teams fans feel the same way?

  28. we have gambling everywhere in Australia and every few years in our major professional sports there is a scandal either players gambling on teams they play against or players being influenced by criminals to help them get advantage.. have fun with the can of worms that will be 53+ players and coaches living/working in the gambling capital in the world.

  29. Florio, this guy’s a keeper. Well done so far Mr. Gehlken. His articles have been good reads, informative and lacking in your face politics. I will seek out his stuff from now on.

  30. Screw Mark Davis and the cereal bowl he uses to cut his fricking hair. Been a fan since 1967 and endured the 82 leave for LA, but cant stomach this one. I hope nobody shows up for the remaining home games. I get it. Its a business. Show him we know.

  31. As with so many of the worst, most embarrassing episodes in NFL history, the degrading version of franchise relocation can be traced back to the Colts.

  32. I don’t know if any of you have been to a game at the Oakland Coliseum in recent years, but it is a 3rd class facility. It was out of date in the 1990’s, and now it is simply a big piece of crumbling concrete with stuffed toilets. As a fan, I would never pay to go there again.

    The Raiders need a new stadium. We can argue over whether taxpayer funded stadiums make sense, but I no of know offer with either public or private financing that could make a new stadium go in Oakland. If you’re fundamentally opposed to taxpayer funded stadiums, that’s fine – but you need to realize that you will lose your team to communities that are willing to pay. If you believe Ralph Wilson’s theory that owning a team is a public trust, then the flip side of that is that the community should contribute to the team, as well.

    Las Vegas is getting a team because they were willing to invest in it. If they attend games, they will be able to keep it. We will see what happens.

  33. What % of their fan base is actually in the Oakland area? Haven’t the raiders and rams moved around before? I don’t get the fake outrage this time around.

  34. Remember, the NFL tells us that football is family.
    Does anyone really believe the garbage that comes out of the league’s pr/marketing office?

  35. A lot of my family and friends were big time Charger fans and spent a lot of money over decades supporting the team. Now most of them have just lost interest in the NFL and might watch a playoff game on TV if they’re not busy, but have no interest in spending money on NFL merch or tickets ever again. They’ve switched to supporting the Padres or their local college teams. So yes, the NFL has reduced the lifetime value of many San Diego fans. With the money they save getting tax payers to build them new stadiums every other year, i doubt the NFL owners care about losing a few million lifelong fans here and there.

  36. Real Raiders fans support the Raiders no matter where they go. Look at how many Raiders fans are in Mexico, for example. Not to mention LA, NY and other places.

  37. You can’t just say that three NFL teams have moved (or have announced their intentions to move) and leave it at that. There are different circumstances in each case that make them unique. In the case of the Raiders the city of Oakland has had over 20 years to come up with a viable solution to the problem of an outdated stadium and hasn’t done anything. How long were they expected to wait? How many promises have to be made and then broken before you look at alternatives? I’m sure the Raiders would have loved to have stayed in Oakland but Las Vegas showed the money and, in the end, that’s what it’s all about.

  38. If Buffalo moved I’d be heated, heated and lost. A relocation by Buffalo would be like losing 28+ years of my life… all of the ups & downs I have shared with my family and friends lost, over a few extra dollars. Would that City that accepted my team continue to get my support? I’m not sure… but probably not. I would be so hurt by the league’s bs move that I would not only boycott that particular team, but I’d most likely banish the entire NFL from my life. A few years would pass and over that time wounds would heal and the magic of the sport would continue to push it’s way back into my life… Could I pick up where I left off? Could I once again love the team that once betrayed me? Nope. I may work myself back into watching the NFL, but it would move from being that once revered love to just another sport… like basketball or hockey. The NFL would go from having a superfan to a event watcher. I understand a business is a business and you have to make money, but the NFL has taken those fans for granted and gotten greedy… way too greedy. #GoBills #BillsMafia

  39. Its not like the Raiders didnt try. The city of Oakland has been jerking them around for 20 years now. It does suck for the fans. But in this day and age of the dollar controlling the game, theyve gotta do whats best for the team.

  40. Consider: a new league, owned by the fans in a non-profit status like the Packers. No owners, just fans. The commissioner would only paid a dollar a year and his/her only power would be to break ties among the executive board.

    The games would be played from February to May, with the draft held in January after the college national championship.

    The team could only relocate when a majority of the fan base approved it.

    I would like to give the NFL a figurative concussion with that one. Shame on them, that group of egomaniacal trolls.

  41. The profits are probably short-sighted. In the long-run, alienating your core fans will lead to a systemic generational decline in demand for the product. The NFL was built on a large core group of fans whose interest got the attention of the fickle fan. The marketing of the league has gone from targeting the core fan to that of the fickle fan who is there because his husband (or wife) is a die-hard. Problem for the NFL will be that by hosing the die-hard fan too much and pushing them away, the fickle fan will quickly disappear.

  42. Ralph Wilson bought the Bills as an original AFL Franchise in 1960 for $ 25,000. In the early years when the league was anything but a sure thing, he loaned money to the Raiders and Patriots to keep their franchises ( and the AFL ) afloat.
    I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Wilson twice, once in the concession line at Rich Stadium. ( He would come out and talk to people at half time while getting his own beverages etc. )

    In 2007 He said that he used to enjoy the league meetings more in the old days. Owners used to go to the meetings and talk about their teams, and maybe make a trade at the meeting. He said now ( in 2007 ) that all they talk about is revenue streams.

    Ralph Wilson could have moved the team and made more money , but never did. Instead of demanding a New Stadium, he worked with the County to refurbish the Stadium built in 1973 twice. ( It was renamed Ralph Wilson Stadium in his honor ) It is still a great place to watch a game. Mr. Wilson made sure that the tickets are were affordable to take the family to the game.

    Neither Mary Wilson ( Ralph’s Wife ) or either of his daughters had an interest in the team. When Mr. Wilson died, he had a provision in his will that the team stay in Buffalo. The team sold for
    $ 1.25 Billion ( a nice profit ) .

    Football was more then a business to Ralph Wilson. Although he made a lot of money with the team, he was not a greedy man, nor was his family.

    Ralph and the Wilson Family left $ 1 Billion to charity to be split in Buffalo and his native Detroit when he died.

  43. Well, if you haven’t noticed, the owners don’t really give a crap about the fans. They only care about their wallets.

  44. After Goodell & the NFL LET StanK steal the Rams from STL, they could not say NO to the Chargers or Raiders moving. 3 teams RIPPED from their fan bases because of stadiums & greed!

  45. My sympathies to the fans from St. Louis, San Diego, and Oakland. Been there and done that: since March 29, 1984, when as Bourbon Bob stole our beloved Colts, no self-respecting Marylander could ever pass by a Mayflower moving van without spitting at it.

    We got a team after the State instituted a financing plan which avoided tax money by relying on a special sports lottery and PSLs. Hopefully, one or more of these jilted cities can come up with something similar to merit a future NFL expansion team.

  46. of course it a business, where the ironically the success is based on socialism (salary cap) but with profits distributed back to owners. weird.

    As a browns fan, when they moved I was devastated. I appreciated Mr. Wilson gestures (and no vote) and even Mr. Rooneys.

    Unfortunately, there is a new breed of owners and they couldn’t be more different.

    The death knell will be when they expand to Europe.

  47. It’s easy to say that he NFL only cares about money and that the fans are hurt. But San Diego twice voted against funding a new stadium. What other options did the Chargers have?

    The Raiders play in the worst stadium in the NFL. They are the only NFL team to share a stadium with a baseball team. A new stadium was desperately needed. Oakland couldn’t or wouldn’t fund a new stadium.

    While some owners can fund their own stadium, most cannot. Part of the deal of having a pro sports franchise is funding a new stadium. Cities/states can either do it or lose the franchise.

    I can’t really fault either the Chargers or the Raiders on this move.

  48. If I was King of sports …….. An owner has the right to move his employees and equipment ….but If you have benefited from public money and have been in a location over 5 years, the name and history belongs to that city. Rename your team and start over.

  49. It’s extortion. They try to extort the tax payer. This will backfire in Vegas. The city is a dump outside the strip. Good Luck greedy dirt bags.

  50. rhamrhoddy says:
    Mar 27, 2017 8:22 PM

    My concern is that this group of owners plans on driving this league into the ground short term and will squeeze every nickel out in the meantime.

    This is my concern as well.

  51. It screams that NFL owners run their franchise as a business. It screams they operate in their own interests. It screams the long-term viability of a club comes first and foremost, far more valuable than how the franchise is ingrained in its followers’ lives and traditions of their families.

    I was with you until this paragraph, contrary to the current widespread belief amongst millenials and everybody from California. “Business” is not a dirty word.

  52. @deneb1973

    Most fans root for the team of the city they grew up in or near. The city they love. To me, I’m rooting more for the city then the team. And I will continue to root for that team even though I have now moved away due to job relocation.

    There will always be fans of a city living somewhere else because they have moved, or because they follow the team their parents follow even though they may have grown up in a new town because their parents moved, or because there is simply no NFL city where they live. Maybe that is changing with all the newcomers following the NFL due to fantasy football.

    For those of us die hards that love our city, the relationship to the team truly is like family. And I would never continue to root for my team if they abandoned the family. Of course, I do realize that means we also need to do our part in supporting them. The NFL is certainly no charity. But where is the line between greed and support?

  53. It is nice to be a packer fan . It’s also an unfair advantage over the rest of the NFL .

  54. Eh….I’m going to tell fans like they tell players who get emotionally attached to a team and is cut for financial reasons. ……suck it up fans…this is a business and no one or group is bigger than the team. Sorry.

  55. Congrats to Mr Ross for being the only owner with that balls enough to vote no. He clearly stated the fans deserve better!

  56. NFL football has jumped the shark and I don’t see it being as sucessful moving forward.

  57. deneb1973 says:
    Mar 27, 2017 8:33 PM
    Another dynamic may be at work – the national team fan base enjoyed by some franchises may allow certain teams to abandon their geographic roots and flourish in another locale while expanding their fan base footprint to be national or even international.
    If that is the case, then that makes it more feasible for a city not to build a stadium. Why pony up money, when others outside of the city can enjoy the game and not have their city pay a dime?

  58. “It screams that NFL owners run their franchise as a business. ”

    What a concept, you run a business like a business.

    What, the snowflakes want it to be run like the government? Give everything away and do nothing?

  59. im a diehard raider fan form the Carolinas. this brand is nation wide. i feel for the ppl in Oakland; but business is business, you have to do whats best for your company.

    the city of Oakland had their chance for 10+decades mark had to move to get a stadium and will profit while doing it. it sucks, but i don’t blame him for wanting to make money in a capitalistic country.

  60. The brick and mortar team base is dissolving in the face of global branding. From the owners perspectives, who cares about a couple hundred thousands local fans when you have millions to support you globally.

    TV contracts and internet sales are a much bigger base of revenue for them, not like the old days when teams were largely funded by ticket sales.

    It still makes my head hurt that public money is used to finance stadiums with so much wealth being accumulated by team ownership.

  61. Mark Cuban was right about the NFL — greed and concerns about concussions will eventually kill it and I am 53 and a lifelong fan but I can see the end coming in about 25 years. I hope I am wrong about this.

  62. Who said the NFL does not care about its fans?

    They do care about the fans.

    The fans wallets!

  63. Going to games is an investment and commitment, beyond the reach of most fans.
    So why does the location matter so much? I root for red zone.

  64. New Bulletin……the NFL does not care about the fans! It is strictly about MONEY. In St Louis the owner did not even talk to the fans when he gained control and decided to move (see land purchase). This despite St Louis public money being available to help build a new stadium.

    Mike, saw your comment on TV today about to little, to late and everybody knows that no matter what St Louis did Kroenke was not staying. As mentioned above he never talked to the fans or officials in St Louis. I don’t fault your comments as you have to stay on the sweet side of the NFL.

  65. Cheapens the fans? Awkward phrasing aside, it’s much more harsh than that. Words like spurns, jilts, insults, wounds, crushes, and devastates are more accurate.

  66. Again, kuddos to Stephen Ross, Dolphins owner–but I thinkk he voted “no” on this and other moves, not out od a sense of “public trust” but because the reason he bought the Dolphins (besides his ability to do so) was because he was a Dolphins fan. So, he knows what it is like to be a fan.

  67. You know, when money is short and the electricity is about to be cut off and the water is about to be disconnected and they’ve already cut off your gas line, maybe it’s time to consider cutting your cable package and dealing with the necessities.

    You’re painting only one side of the story. These cities either have other problems that led them to default on any commitment to an NFL team, or they thought they could ignore the team and let them get left holding the bag. That’s fine, it happens. But don’t sit there and act like it’s all about the EVIL EMPIRE.

    St Louis had plenty of money to build a stadium for soccer while ignoring responsibilities written into the contract they had with the Rams, which allowed Kroenke to exercise a clause to void the deal altogether and leave.

    San Diego had been stringing the Chargers along for close to 2 decades to the point Spanos was willing to be a 2nd-fiddle renter in someone else’s house.

    Oakland sounds like they have too many other issues to deal with other than having the luxury of a major sports team. They may hang on to the A’s, but as we’re seeing, it’s at the expense of the Raiders.

    A stadium is a 365-day money-maker. An NFL team uses that, *at best*, one full month of that time (2 preseason games, 8 regular season games, 2 playoff games, 2 weeks for Super Bowl). The real problem is that the city doesn’t maximize making money off of the rest of that year, so they expect the NFL team to be their cash-cow instead of the owner’s and play off public sentiment when that isn’t the case.

  68. deneb1973 says:
    “…The number one NFL team in Florida is probably the Giants or Patriots.”
    Facebook in 2010 or so did a survey of fandom of NFL teams and found the most popular team in Florida was the Dolphins. For you to say it’s the Patriots or even the Giants is ridiculous. Heck, in northwest Florida around Pensacola, it was actually the Saints (who had just won the Super Bowl). On the west coast around Tampa-St. Pete-Bradenton-Sarasota it was the Bucs, and in northeast Florida it was the Jags. For the rest of Florida it was the Fins. The Patriots? Don’t make me laugh–and whenever the two teams play in S. Fla. Fins fans out shout Pats fans by a mile.

  69. I don’t know why I bother to respond to these articles or why anyone should care. You get what you pay for. If you don’t want to pay the price, you have no right to b!tch and complain. Apparently there were enough people in San Diego, an overwhelming amount really, that felt a 10% or so tax on people staying in hotels wasn’t worth it to keep the Chargers. The people have spoken, they don’t give a sh!t.

  70. Hit the nail on the head, Gehlken. And they ask why ratings are dwindling… If there’s no LOCAL fans to watch and support the teams they love, ratings and revenue are destined to take a nose dive. Three relocations in 15 months is aggressive. And the ratings will magnify it. More DirecTV Sunday Ticket subscribers with Red Zone channel that don’t matter to the archaic Nielsen box samples – regardless of the tremendous out-of-home viewing. Flawed ratings, flawed league, duped fans. And to think, I actually loved my ex-home team. What an idiot I am. Priorities getting lost in the shuffle of market size and potential revenue are outweighing the principles by which we were all hooked into this game – our identity.

  71. The “masons” that are the NFL owners should be able to overrule – if not KICK OUT other owners before or after original acceptance. Paper tigers like Spanos is a prime example of someone that, quite obviously, doesn’t have the means, nor the resources or intelligence to effectively execute a new stadium deal.

  72. The NFL is selling it soul. Forget NFL history, tradition, fan loyalty and so-called NFL integrity. These moves..Rams from LA to St. Louis, Rams from St. Louis to LA, Raiders from Oakland to LA back to Oakland the Chargers from LA to SD back to LA. Can’t these people make up their minds? This is ruining the league. What’s next..the Alabama Jets and the San Antonio Bills? It will happen. It takes years to build a solid fan base. The billionaire owners want the over-taxed American public to build their stadiums for them…or they’ll take their footballs and leave. Pathetic. The mighty NFL need to revise their charter…but it’s probably too late. Hmmm…how about the Utah Bears?

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