Giants claim evidence was omitted to make Eli Manning look guilty

AP

The Giants consistently have said that the supposed smoking-gun email implicating quarterback Eli Manning in memorabilia fraud was taken out of context and does not show that he actually wanted to dupe purchasers of game-used helmets with helmets not actually used in a game. More than a week later, however, details remain scant.

According to ESPN.com, lawyers representing the Giants and Manning have claimed in a court filing that the lawyers representing the plaintiffs in that case deliberately omitted “relevant evidence” to create the impression that Manning was complicit in a scheme to defraud. Per the report, the legal brief filed Wednesday claims Eli’s emails were mischaracterized, and that (per the report) “hundreds of documents exonerate Manning.”

The claims were made in a formal request to ask the presiding judge to uphold an agreement that information regarded as confidential would not be disclosed publicly. The Giants’ lawyers also contend that the plaintiffs “cherry-picked” the email that seems to show Eli’s involvement, in order to make him look bad publicly.

Missing through any of this is an effort to show why the supposed smoking-gun email isn’t. Nine days after it surfaced, those inclined to assume the worst about the email have seen nothing to dissuade them from doing so. At some point, the false (if it is) impression takes root, making it virtually impossible in this red state/blue state I’m-right-and-your-a-idiot #fakenews society to get those people to change their minds.

The sooner the lawyers representing the Giants and Eli Manning tell the whole story about why the email in which Eli requests two helmets that “can pass as game used” doesn’t mean what it seems to mean on its face, the better the chance that they’ll get people to reach a conclusion other than the one the governor of the state in which the Giants plays its home games immediately embraced.

As mentioned on Friday’s PFT Live, someone needs to tell the lawyers that, at this point, what happens in the court of public opinion is as important as (and maybe more important than) what happens in the court where the fraud case is pending. People who have seen the inflammatory email need to know exactly how and why it was taken out of context, even if that means prematurely playing a hand that would otherwise be played before a judge and a jury.

In the court of public opinion, everyone is on the jury, and plenty made up their minds when they saw the email. Claiming that it was taken out of context isn’t enough to get them to see if differently. If those claiming that the Giants were committing memorabilia fraud are indeed committing fraud on the public, that needs to be proven and not simply alleged.

76 responses to “Giants claim evidence was omitted to make Eli Manning look guilty

  1. People in the Memorabilia market are either pathetic losers doing the buying or lying scumbags doing the selling.

    Anyone who believes anything they buy in that market is “authentic” is an imbecile.

    Get a life and get your own accomplishments that you can immortalize. Stop trying to buy those of others.

  2. You mean it’s all a witch hunt and there’s evidence that proves he didn’t do it?

    In Goodell’s NFL, that’s worth a four-game suspension, loss of two draft picks, and a million dollar fine.

  3. For a former lawyer like you, the assessment that Eli Manning’s lawyers should show their hand to the plaintiff’s lawyers validates my personal opinion of you which is that you have lost your edge and have defected from relaying relevant and factual views to the inflammatory-driven news reporting that has and continues to plague our society. When/If the defense wins the case, automatically the court of public opinion will be on Eli’s side – no need to weaken the defense by showing the cards.

    I have visited your site since before it was mainstream and have observed the transformation : resist the dark side and come back to the Force Skywalker 🙂

  4. If he’d just come out and say “hey I was involved in a fake sports memorabilia consumer fraud scheme, I’m sorry” it would just be a small fine and not a big deal, but now he’s made it a big deal. It’s the cover up, not the crime. Four game suspension and let’s be done with it.

  5. Someone lying and omitting evidence?

    Roger Goodell would be proud of you if this wasn’t a player from his favored five of the Giants, Jets, Ravens, Colts and Steelers

  6. Not a Eli fan but it makes zero sense to me that someone with his bank account would risk it to make a couple of bucks. Sounds more like a BS frivolous lawsuit driven by click dependent websites *cough*. Why aren’t we hearing more on the family of Hernandezs’ trying to get 6 million dollars from the Patriots?

  7. If Mara says there is evidence that clears Manning, that’s good enough for Dirty Roger. No need to to call in Wells, from the NFLs standpoint the case is closed. Dirty Roger will now have his minions threaten to make any network that reports on this story air 5 Jacksonville Jaguars games next season.

    If this were the Pats, the only question Roger would be asking is if Brady should be suspended for a season or banded from the NFL.

    Just more evidence that Dirty Roger is the most corrupt commissioner in the history of sports.

  8. pwellz says:
    Apr 22, 2017 9:29 AM
    If he’d just come out and say “hey I was involved in a fake sports memorabilia consumer fraud scheme, I’m sorry” it would just be a small fine and not a big deal, but now he’s made it a big deal. It’s the cover up, not the crime. Four game suspension and let’s be done with it
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    Uh-huh. Sure it is, sure it is.
    But it poses an interesting question. It’s NYC – what are the odds the NFL asks for Eli’s phone to read all personal information. I mean, they will insure nothing gets leaked.

  9. After the cherry picking of email content in Deflategate, it’s prudent to wait till all the facts are out.

  10. Love all the pats fans comparing this to cheating in games. Did this have any effect on winning or losing? Didn’t think so.

  11. I heard Adam Schefter say that by rule the equipment only has to be on the sideline to be considered game used. So the whole used memorabilia business is a sham. People are buying equipment they believe was actually worn in a game. The NFL needs to be fined for such a rule not only Eli.

  12. “Not a Eli fan but it makes zero sense to me that someone with his bank account would risk it to make a couple of bucks.”

    On the surface that is a logical argument.

    That argument is defeated however by the fact he was selling memorabilia in the first place. The response to your question is “why would a person with his bank account waste his time selling memorabilia for a couple extra bucks in the first place”. And from there its easy to draw the line to if he wants that couple extra bucks he would be willing to sell fraudulent items for a further couple extra bucks.

  13. Belicheat and Brady are proven experts at interpreting emails and texts, “contextually”

    In addition, we can also reasonably assume that the Ideal Gas Law will impact the designation of “Game-Used” status for any piece of football equipment– depending, of course, of the relative field temperature of the game in question

    My professional advice to the Mara family is to lob a phone call in the Patriots direction– sooner rather than later

  14. amazing that all the sore winner bangwagon trolls come on every story. Here is a reminder that the Commissioner you hate suspended Sean Payton 16 games and the GM 8 games for something they had nothing to do with. Your Coach & GM cheated for years, and never missed a game. And then he destroyed the evidence!! And then your QB tried to cheat, did not cooperate, and got 4 games, same as guys do for weed and adderall. What is a worse offense trying to alter the ball and smoking dope?

    so please do us all a favor and just stick to commenting on stories about your tainted franchise.

  15. harrisonhits2 says:
    Apr 22, 2017 12:05 PM
    “Not a Eli fan but it makes zero sense to me that someone with his bank account would risk it to make a couple of bucks.”

    On the surface that is a logical argument.

    That argument is defeated however by the fact he was selling memorabilia in the first place. The response to your question is “why would a person with his bank account waste his time selling memorabilia for a couple extra bucks in the first place”. And from there its easy to draw the line to if he wants that couple extra bucks he would be willing to sell fraudulent items for a further couple extra bucks.

    ————————————————————-

    He never sold memorablia. What are you talking about? Good grief.

  16. How many “game worn” items can there really be? You know they don’t wear a new helmet every game and even jerseys should be in short supply. Eli has only played 201 games in his career and you know he has kept some items for himself, given gifts to family/friends/fans, while others undoubtedly got tossed out.

  17. Anyone who pays through the nose for sports memorabilia is an idiot and anyone selling it is most likely a criminal. Probably 40% of what’s sold is bogus. And the 60% remaining aren’t worth more than the value of the items itself. This concept of intangible value regarding sports memorabilia is ridiculous.

  18. For anyone saying Goodell loves the Ravens is absolutely worn.g Let’s not forget that Goodell and Tagliabue did everything in their power to prevent Baltimore form getting a team. Also, the Ravens are the onlw team in NFL history to go on the road in week 1 coming off a superbowl win.

  19. denverscott says:
    Apr 22, 2017 11:23 AM
    Love all the pats fans comparing this to cheating in games. Did this have any effect on winning or losing? Didn’t think so.

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    The only “cheating” was Goodell and some of the owners fabricating a story to frame Brady and the Pats all in an effort to give teams like yours a chance to win….

  20. denverscott says:
    Apr 22, 2017 11:23 AM
    Love all the pats fans comparing this to cheating in games. Did this have any effect on winning or losing? Didn’t think so.
    ————-
    Er, the Giants (and Colts) were the only two teams proven to have broken ball inflation rules, twice each, by carrying needles to the sidelines AND when they needled opponents’ (Steelers and Pats, respectively) balls. And the Giants broke both the comms rule and the 15-second comms cut-off rule when they walkie talkied this past season. Or are you still referring to Spygate? – Even if you think the Pats were guilty (as opposed to incoming Roger immediately re-interpreting Tagliabue’s new rule) then don’t forget the tape was confiscated at the end of Q1 before it could be used and that before Q1 of 2007 it wasn’t against the rules. So how did the Pats illegally benefit from the tape? Oh, and you can still tape today with the camera a dozen feet further back in the front of the stands.

  21. “It’s the cover up, not the crime.”
    That’s the truth, because that’s when the serious lying starts. The “evidence” seems pretty scant, but, even so, will have to be explained. Someone has to determine who’s telling the truth and who’s lying and to what extent. Regardless, don’t expect to see any serious penalties assessed against one of the league’s Golden Boys.

  22. Remember when the Wells report came out and Pats fans were slamming everyone that previously bought Mort’s 11 of 12 (even though most of them did too)?

    Yeah, apparently most of them have forgotten too. Kudos to the few non hypocrites.

  23. For a society with an innocent -until -proven -guilty justice system, we sure do love us some railroads.

  24. I think the pats fans should stop whining already. The pats have won 5 Super Bowls. I know the sour taste of Brady and Belichik been beaten twice by Eli and Coughlin is still there. But it’s time to move on.

  25. The implication here is that a team doctor who doesn’t run onto the field to manually bend a player’s knee isn’t a real doctor because his knee-bending services weren’t required for one particular game. This non-sense of twisting the definition of “used” to make the phony helmet charge against the most decent person in football, Eli, is total bull.

  26. Ravens fan: what I recall is the Ravens having a scheduling conflict after they won the Super Bowl with the Baltimore Baseball team, so they had to open on the road, not because the NFL scheduled it.
    But then again it’s been a while, my memory may be faulty.

  27. ravensfan56 says:
    Apr 22, 2017 1:23 PM
    For anyone saying Goodell loves the Ravens is absolutely worn.g Let’s not forget that Goodell and Tagliabue did everything in their power to prevent Baltimore form getting a team. Also, the Ravens are the onlw team in NFL history to go on the road in week 1 coming off a superbowl win.

    3 20

    **********************************************
    As plum54 states — The Ravens opened their season on the road (in Denver) because the Orioles had a baseball game the evening of Thursday night kick-off and MLB would or could not reschedule that game and due to the strain of traffic from two events on the area, the Ravens had to travel for week one.

    As to the move from Cleveland to Baltimore — I have no knowledge of the vote for that move.

  28. exinsidetrader says:
    Apr 22, 2017 9:12 AM
    People in the Memorabilia market are either pathetic losers doing the buying or lying scumbags doing the selling.

    ———————

    Why did you use ‘or’ instead of ‘and’?

  29. “Not a Eli fan but it makes zero sense to me that someone with his bank account would risk it to make a couple of bucks.”

    On the surface that is a logical argument.

    That argument is defeated however by the fact he was selling memorabilia in the first place. The response to your question is “why would a person with his bank account waste his time selling memorabilia for a couple extra bucks in the first place”. And from there its easy to draw the line to if he wants that couple extra bucks he would be willing to sell fraudulent items for a further couple extra bucks.
    ======================

    I would add that stories about celebrities or pro athletes shoplifting, refusing to tip in restaurants or pay a cover charge. These are people with plenty of money not making logical decisions.

    Put another way, just because Eli has more money than he needs in this lifetime, doesn’t mean he’s immune from making poor decisions.

  30. dimi1919 says:
    Apr 22, 2017 4:19 PM
    I think the pats fans should stop whining already. The pats have won 5 Super Bowls. I know the sour taste of Brady and Belichik been beaten twice by Eli and Coughlin is still there. But it’s time to move on.

    ______________

    You couldn’t be more wrong. We are polishing our five Lombardis…

    As an aside, personally, I will not move on from the sham that was Framegate until the NFL releases the psi numbers from the 2015 season. Every fan should want transparency from the league in this regard. What are they hiding?!?!

  31. Della Street says:
    Apr 22, 2017 8:13 PM
    dimi1919 says:
    Apr 22, 2017 4:19 PM
    I think the pats fans should stop whining already. The pats have won 5 Super Bowls. I know the sour taste of Brady and Belichik been beaten twice by Eli and Coughlin is still there. But it’s time to move on.

    ______________

    You couldn’t be more wrong. We are polishing our five Lombardis…

    As an aside, personally, I will not move on from the sham that was Framegate until the NFL releases the psi numbers from the 2015 season. Every fan should want transparency from the league in this regard. What are they hiding?!?!

    ————–

    Who’s we? You’re not on the team.

  32. We’ll see if Goodell actually punishes the Giants and suspends Eli, or if Mara’s influence comes through yet again. I think Roger finally disciplines them after they have wormed their way out of numerous other scandals. At some point the other shoe has to drop. The other owners aren’t going to stand for it.

  33. Well, since the fink biatch Colts and Ravens organizations collided with former Jets execs to setup and frame Brady. Karma has been very very good to Patriot Nation. So if I were Eli. I wouldn’t worry too much if he is innocent. How has the Colts and Ravens teams been doing. Lol

  34. *Manning family.
    *Giants.
    Looks good with asterisks. Giants are forever tainted as is the Manning family. A family that cheats together stays together.

  35. Nothing that I’ve seen from Eli’s statement or the Giants’ PR has provided me with any ‘context’ that makes that email plausibly less damning.
    I understand the hope that this goes away – and there is a risk that a reasonable counter-argument may be received poorly – but the fact remains that without any competing narrative, Eli looks dishonest.

  36. Notice how ELie and the Giants won’t put the email in “context”. If it is explainable, explain it. Get the court of public opinion on your side, if possible.

  37. How many other top NFL players are rorting the system like Eli?
    However, nothing is going to happen because it’s the NY Giants and the Mannings are the NFL’s royal family.

  38. Fact #1: Two helmets are fitted to Eli’s head and are designated as game helmets for each and every game.

    Fact #2: Eli’s equipment boy didn’t disappear in a locked restroom by himself and play hanky panky with a bag of helmets and then turn deaf and dumb when questions were raised.

    Fact #3: Eli’s cell phone is still in one piece.

  39. justafanofnfl says:
    Apr 23, 2017 10:13 AM
    Notice how ELie and the Giants won’t put the email in “context”. If it is explainable, explain it. Get the court of public opinion on your side, if possible.
    ——————————————————–

    While I’m absolutely positive that the most pressing thing on Eli and the Giants mind is what YOU (and all the other PFT commenters) think, is it just possible that, since this is a LEGAL case, that the Giants have LAWYERS involved? I know it sounds crazy, but the lawyers just might be advising them as to what to do.

    But I’m sure that all the PFT commenters know how to handle a possible multi-million dollar (alleged) fraud case better than they do.

  40. Fact #2: Eli’s equipment boy didn’t disappear in a locked restroom by himself and play hanky panky with a bag of helmets and then turn deaf and dumb when questions were raised.

    Fact #3: Eli’s cell phone is still in one piece.
    __________________________________________

    What exactly does this have to do with Deflategate? First, it has been proven that Deflategate was a sham from the beginning. After fabricated reports, NFL leaks, and sworn testimony, the only thing that was ever proven was the NFL is beyond inept.

    There is already more guilt with Eli in this case then there ever was in Deflategate. That’s how pathetic Deflategate was.

    Stop trying to deflect from the scum organization that is the Giants. In 8 months they have dealt with Josh Brown, cheating with walkie talkies, trying to blame the Steelers for deflating footballs (go figure) and now this. Really pathetic.

  41. I think what did it for me was learning how he dodged the draft protocol and accept assistance from his father to arrange to go to the franchise he wanted. Almost all QBS go to needy which means bad franchises. Eli never had to face that.

  42. bencoates57 says:
    Apr 23, 2017 3:40 PM
    I think what did it for me was learning how he dodged the draft protocol and accept assistance from his father to arrange to go to the franchise he wanted. Almost all QBS go to needy which means bad franchises. Eli never had to face that.
    ————————————————
    The NY Giants had a record of 4-12 in 2003, which qualified them to draft 4th overall, wherein they chose Phillip Rivers, and traded him and other draft picks to the Chargers for Eli Manning.

    Since there were only 3 teams that were WORSE than the Giants in 2003, I think you could qualify the Giants as “needy which means bad”.

  43. Getting close to the draft, I wonder if Roger is going to wait until next year to start forfeiting some picks. Still plenty of time for the 4 game suspension this upcoming season and the Giants may as well send the $1 million check in today for the upcoming fine.

  44. Eli, you ran your mouth when TB12 was falsely accused of nonsense. Then you remained silent when TB12 was unjustifiably harshly punched. Now it is your turn! How does it feel? Call your dad to help you “fix” this problem. It worked for you brother.

    You are a cry baby… I will never forget the Bull you pulled in the ’04 draft. You are a clown.

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