Time of testing a factor in assessing credibility of diluted sample excuse

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Every player who attends the Scouting Combine must submit to drug testing. With two of the players who were tested at the Scouting Combine in 2017 generating positive tests via diluted samples, there’s an important point to keep in mind when deciding whether the explanation for the failed drug test passes the smell test.

The samples are collected very early in the morning, with the players often getting the “wakey wakey” business before doing their business into a cup. So the diluted samples either resulted from a player drinking huge amounts of water before going to be and then: (1) failing asleep with a rapidly-filling bladder; and (2) sleeping through the night with a very full bladder, or from a guy waking up early and drinking copious amounts of water in order to ensure that certain substances won’t be detected in the sample.

The statement issued on behalf of former Michigan defensive back Jabrill Peppers accounts for this dynamic by pointing out that the player “was being pumped with fluids, drinking 8-10 bottles of water before he went to bed, because he was the first guy to work out two days for the LBs and DBs.”

Is it possible he actually drank that much water before going to sleep, fell asleep with that much water in his system, and slept through the night without having to get up to unload most of the 8-10 bottles of water before proving a sample that wasn’t dilute? Sure. But it’s also possible that Foster, Peppers, and anyone else who generated a test sufficiently dilute to be regarded as an effort to beat the test deliberately ingested extra water to ensure that any banned substances would be undetectable in a sample of urine that had been overloaded with water.

Either way, teams that pick either guy will have to assume the risk that the players failed their first major football-or-banned-substance test, and that they’ll fail enough of the various future football-or-banned-substance tests to come to result in their inability to play football.

Should it be this way, with teams testing player urine to determine what they’re doing on their own personal time? Nope. But until the rule changes, the players need to be able to pass the test.

22 responses to “Time of testing a factor in assessing credibility of diluted sample excuse

  1. It’s a good thing I never got tested while in college.

    oh and if I drink 16 0z of water before bed I’m not making it until sunrise without a trip to the bathroom.

  2. Interesting… I tend to have to pee a lot right when I wake up with a full bladder. But it is almost never clear (watered down).

    True, these guys super hydrate… but they aren’t fooling anyone…

    That being said… it’s frickin pot. Let it gooooo.

  3. “Should it be this way, with teams testing player urine to determine what they’re doing on their own personal time?”

    The vast majority of employers require a drug screen as part of the pre employment process…just like the NFL.

  4. Yeah, their claims aren’t credible. You can’t drink that much water without needing to ‘unhydrate’ in probably about fifteen minutes, if that. So not only are these two guys total idiots, they are also willing to tell any lie to try to explain their actions (a la Johnny Goofball). Chances are if they are that dumb to think they can get away with it while prepping for maybe the biggest day(s) of their lives, they are also dumb enough to not make it through their rookie season without failing a test. Do they have talent? Yes but they could easily turn out to be Randy Gregory. I think I’d have to pass on them in the first round and only take them in day two.

  5. “Time of testing is a factor.” Do ya think?!?

    These bozos know what’s ahead of them and yet we see this every draft season.

    And if it’s just a positive test for weed what does that say about them that they can’t go a couple weeks without hitting the bong?

  6. jimnaizeeum says:
    Apr 24, 2017 4:28 PM

    “The vast majority of employers require a drug screen as part of the pre employment process…just like the NFL.”

    But unlike the NFL, those companies don’t continue to randomly test every year.

  7. if you can dilute your sample by drinking water enough to break the test it’s a bad test. You shouldn’t be able to regulate how and when an athlete can drink water. They may verywell have done nothing wrong and now they are convicted in the court of public opinion.

    Invent a better test.

  8. jimnaizeeum says:
    Apr 24, 2017 4:28 PM

    The vast majority of employers require a drug screen as part of the pre employment process…just like the NFL.

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    Any data to support your claim that a vast majority require this? I don’t know what percentage it is and would be curious to know but my gut tells me it isn’t a majority, let alone a vast majority that require peeing in a cup.

  9. I don’t think that’s how hydration works. You aren’t only hydrated until your next micturation. You also don’t discharge the same amount of fluid that you consume. I’m not an expert, maybe ask Tom Herman.

  10. Unless he poured water into the cup, drinking water (no matter the amount) should never fail a test. Bad test.

  11. rogdodger says:
    Apr 24, 2017 5:15 PM
    jimnaizeeum says:
    Apr 24, 2017 4:28 PM

    The vast majority of employers require a drug screen as part of the pre employment process…just like the NFL.

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    Any data to support your claim that a vast majority require this? I don’t know what percentage it is and would be curious to know but my gut tells me it isn’t a majority, let alone a vast majority that require peeing in a cup.

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    Not to mention the drug screens seem to usually be a formality, as in there’s no such thing as testing positive because the sample was diluted. Honestly, I don’t know why the NFL cares so much that they’d create rules to make grey area cases into automatic positives.

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    Not to mention the fact that employers

  12. So let me ask the obvious question , if he drank a gallon of water , went to bed is he not allowed to urinate until the test in the morning or could he urinate as many times as need before the test ?

  13. Fail a drug test in the military and give the lame “I drank too much water” excuse. Then see what happens.

  14. Won’t mean anything in his draft position. 80% or more of the NFL takes PED’s because they have to to stay in the league and another 80% smokes weed regularly – because its the culture.

    The only thing he needs to learn is how not to get caught.

  15. Legalize it and this article never happened. Its just that EZ. And we all know it.

  16. The real issue is that the players knew months ago that they would declare for the draft and be tested, yet they were stupid enough to still use drugs. Legality doesn’t matter.

    Do you want a guy on your team who lacks the common sense to stay out of trouble knowing full well he will be tested?

  17. I don’t care if these guys are into smoking pot, its their life. But this just shows poor decision making abilities. And it also shows they are selfish. The biggest moment in their young life and they cant go a month without smoking??? Does this mean the night before a playoff game or super bowl they are gonna be getting high when they should be resting or looking at game tape or whatever?

    Aside from that, my issue really is, the amount of water before bed. “8-10 bottles of water”? Not buying that. Bottles of water are usually 16 ounces. So 8 bottles of water, quick math in my head, is 128 ounces. That is a f****ing GALLON of water. No one is drinking a gallon of water before bed, NO ONE.

  18. This isn’t new news. Many players have this issue. It doesn’t mean they took anything, it just means that they have to much water in their system to get an accurate test result. Most players in the NFL already, have diluted test results, but then get retested to and usually come out clean. Before the man gets accused of anything, let’s make sure he is innocent until proven otherwise.

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