Others told Seth Wickersham he “nailed it” on Seahawks

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Seahawks defensive end Michael Bennett and Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman took issue with Seth Wickersham’s ESPN The Magazine article regarding the dysfunction in Seattle. Others didn’t.

“I don’t blame him for having that reaction,” Wickersham said during a Friday visit to PFT Live regarding Bennett. “I’ve been doing this for a long time. I mean, he knows what’s going on. I got so many texts from players and people in the Seahawks building yesterday telling me how I nailed it.”

If anything, Wickersham is surprised by the idea that anyone would dispute the idea that there have been problems with the Seahawks.

“I was not being some sort of expert detective here,” Wickersham said. “I mean, this stuff is an open secret in the NFL,  and I just spent a couple weeks trying to show it as best I could and talk to as many people as I could in the building; I took two trips out to Seattle.”

The deeper problem is that the offense hasn’t been taking enough trips to the end zone.

“You see [Russell] Wilson after games, he’s relentlessly positive and on message, and he’ll say, ‘You know we made a lot of great plays in this game, we just came up short.’ He said that after they played the Rams, and they scored three points. And here’s a defense, in an era of offense, keeping them in these games, thinking that they’re going to make everybody forget the Steel Curtain, and the offense is putting three points up on the board and he’s being treated in the building like he’s their Aaron Rodgers. That to me I think is the biggest deal. Those defensive players are smart, they’ve played against the best quarterbacks in the NFL, and they know the difference between very, very good and future Hall of Fame.”

The ability of some of those defensive players to make the Hall of Fame may hinge on winning more championships. If the offense isn’t pulling its weight, if the defense knows it, and if the coaching staff won’t do anything about it, it will be hard to keep everyone on the same page.

63 responses to “Others told Seth Wickersham he “nailed it” on Seahawks

  1. The Seattle Shermans & Legion of Bennett do not represent that entire organization. Although, as of late, the two have done an outstandingly horrific job of it.

  2. This dysfunction is why the championship window slammed shut after the loss to NE.

    The other noise is the sound of the bandwagon hitching up the horses to take the 12th man down to L.A. to buy Chargers’ gear.

  3. Injuries, minimizing importance of O-Line/overestimating Cable’s ability to make diamonds out of dirt, and Bevell’s continuing questionable play calling at crucial times will cause resentment and division between O and D

  4. saw a comment above that said Pete Carroll’s ship is seems to be taking on water. As much as I don’t like Seattle as a football team, Pete and the Crew do when people start to think they are headed down.

  5. GenXJ says:
    May 26, 2017 2:10 PM
    The Seattle Shermans & Legion of Bennett do not represent that entire organization. Although, as of late, the two have done an outstandingly horrific job of it.
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    Well, you forgot about their 2 HUGE upgrades this year: Eddie Lacy and Luke Joeckel!! Ask any Seahawk “fan” and they’ll tell you how they are going to the superbowl this year. One of the worst backfields and the worst o-line, but don’t tell that to those precious little 12’s.

  6. Any upset Seahawk players need to appreciate the level of success they are achieving. Look at Cortez Kennedy, the guy played at a hall of fame level for the same lousy Seahawks team for 11 years. In his 11 seasons Kennedy made the playoffs just 1 time. Richard Sherman has made the playoffs 5 times in his 6 seasons. Some players go their entire careers without ever making the playoffs.

  7. First off he didn’t “nail it”. It’s conjecture, and no name sources or ones
    that have a axe to grind like Sherman Smith who was fired this last off season cause the running game tanked without Lynch. Take screen caps of texts or didn’t happen.

  8. Yes, five straight years of 10+ wins, 5 straight playoff appearances, 2 Super Bowls and 1 Lombardi that should have been two had it not been for the worst play call in NFL history. The wheels are really coming off.

    This guy should switch to politics. He’d be right at home on CNN with their “two scoops” story lines.

    As to Russell Wilson, he’s #2 all-time in passer rating ahead of Brady, Manning and Marino in the regular season, and #9 all-time in the playoffs, ahead of Brady, Aikman, Manning, Favre…

    So yeah that’s not Hall of Fame or anything.

  9. niners816 says
    Well, you forgot about their 2 HUGE upgrades this year: Eddie Lacy and Luke Joeckel!! Ask any Seahawk “fan” and they’ll tell you how they are going to the superbowl this year. One of the worst backfields and the worst o-line, but don’t tell that to those precious little 12’s.
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    Hahaha Lacy and Rawls will run right over your speed bump of a defense. Talk to us when you win more than 2 games a year.

  10. The underlying issue here is that any players that attempt to be model citizens are hated i.e., Wilson and Tebow; while players that are reprobates are hailed as hero’s and PFT goes about working as their agent trying to find them work i.e., Kap and Sherman.

    Further, why would anyone be critical of Wilson for his optimism? The same people are critical of Cutler for his pessimism.

    Truth is, Wilson is a winner, who has won more close games than anyone the past 5 years, and all the time having a terrible line.

    Even if you hate the seahawks, as I do, you cannot deny Wilson is a winner by any measure.

  11. Yeah, I’m sure these guys wish Matt Flynn had won the job. Then, they would have never lost a Super Bowl – because they wouldn’t have made any. Now that guy is only 31 but has been sitting on his couch for 2 years. I’m not calling Wilson a HOFer or anything, but the Seahawks were really fortunate to draft him where they did and that he was allowed to compete for the job.

  12. seahawkboymike says:
    May 26, 2017 2:26 PM

    Yes, five straight years of 10+ wins, 5 straight playoff appearances, 2 Super Bowls and 1 Lombardi that should have been two had it not been for the worst play call in NFL history. The wheels are really coming off.

    This guy should switch to politics. He’d be right at home on CNN with their “two scoops” story lines.

    As to Russell Wilson, he’s #2 all-time in passer rating ahead of Brady, Manning and Marino in the regular season, and #9 all-time in the playoffs, ahead of Brady, Aikman, Manning, Favre…

    So yeah that’s not Hall of Fame or anything.

    If you’re going to use the argument of Wilson being in the same league as these other QB’s you listed (which is ludicrous at best), at least use something better than just passer rating.

  13. wilson isn’t the problem. the offense needs more weapons. the passing gm is ok but not great. they need 1-2 bona fide elite targets. and the run gm and offense overall really miss lynch. seahawks are nowhere near adequately replacing lynch.

    wilson basically runs for this life during games.

    and frankly the defense is a shell of its former self too.

  14. >>You see [Russell] Wilson after games, he’s relentlessly positive and on message, and he’ll say, ‘You know we made a lot of great plays in this game, we just came up short.’

    What should he say?
    We sucked!

    Nah, team leaders don’t say that.

  15. I don’t understand what you and SW are saying…that Pete Carroll should be meaner to Russell Wilson because he’s not as good as Aaron Rodgers? That’s what it sounds like.

    Look, the guy won a superbowl and was one play from winning two. I think in those games he outplayed Big Ben and Eli, who each have two rings. Is he Tom Brady? No, but no one is. Who would you trade him for that you could get? No one.

    So the defense is upset? Maybe they should stop giving up killer drives in playoff games and stop bragging about tying the Cardinals.

  16. A handful of defensive players plus Wilson are soaking up all their cap space. There is a reason why their O line sucks. Why they have no stud receivers. Why their running game died after Lynch got old and retired. It takes a team to win, and the guys doing the most complaining are very talented but their own salaries make them a group of individuals, not a complete team.

  17. Well I am sure there is some truth there, but come on when has a reporter ever lied? Let’s see the cell phone records, he can redact the names of his “sources”. Otherwise this is all hearsay with no real proof. At least Bennett put his name to what he said about Wilson.

  18. Any window they had is closed. It closed when they had to start signing those mega deals to keep players, and let others go.

    It also closed the second beast mode walked out the door.

    Seattle fans will go back to their caves and come out of hibernation the next time Seattle is good.

  19. No dog in this fight, but from a Pats fan’s perspective, Seattle is one of the only teams that can beat the Patriots on a regular basis. They play tough and it is always a game. Much respect from me for the Seahawks. Oh, and Wilson is a damn good QB.

  20. Am I mistaken or didn’t the Seahawks lead the Patriots by 10 at one point? A whole lot of finger pointing going on. Why people don’t appreciate Wilson is beyond me. Guy is a winner and I’d put up my paycheck that you won’t hear him getting into trouble. But it’s all about their defense, and how great they are.

  21. Sherman seems to forget that they were up 14 pretty late in the game. As a former D player, When I was up by 14, a lot is on me if we fail.

  22. I lost a lot of respect for Sherman. He likes to tell it like it and be brutally honest when it comes to everyone but himself. He WAS on the trading block and THIS is the reason for it. As for the Seahawks themselves, they were only even in position to win the SB because of a very lucky catch by Kearse. Their wonderful defense allowed Tom Brady to come back from 10 behind in the 4th quarter with two touchdown drives. That wasn’t a bad call. That defense fell apart and Earl Thomas was out there. They have been passed in the NFC and they are finding it hard to deal with. They’ll win their crappy little division with SF and LA (ugh) and an over the hill Arizona team.

  23. Cowardly unnamed sources vs named players that have to defend themselves. I don’t believe unnamed sources because one is expected to believe what they say without themselves being vetted. The media just forwards whatever false narrative they want. What scumbags.

  24. A few thoughts. First of all, please stop with the “…if not for the worst play call in history” crap. Running against the Patriot’s short yardage package is never a gimmee regardless of who is carrying the ball. If Wilson threw the ball where he should have, at worst it’s an incompletion. Plus, it was a great play by Butler.

    In his time in New England, Pete Carroll developed a reputation for this sort of behavior, and the players figured him out and tuned him out. I’ve always believed he’s a bit of a fraud, and nothing I’ve seen in Seattle would serve to dispel that notion. His schtick has about a 4 to 6 year shelf life. His time is about up.

  25. “What should he say?
    We sucked!

    Nah, team leaders don’t say that.”

    Maybe not but whenever the Pats lose they don’t say “we made a lot of great plays”.

    They say we need to play better and improve ourselves so we’re not outplayed. They say they didn’t play as well as they could have and need to work harder. They say they failed to execute on plays and need to do better.

    To me that’s leadership when you lose. You acknowledge you were outplayed, give credit to the other team, and say you need to work harder to improve. You don’t pat yourself on the back.

  26. The last time Seth Wickersham nailed anything was on his wedding night. And I was “told by others” that he missed that too.

  27. It’s so funny how many of these guys tell you to believe one thing, when all they do is practice self-deception.

    Especially people that preach about ‘unnamed sources’, but when they flap their mouth about non-football things, much of the time they get their info from unnamed sources (and theirs are probably far more dubious then Seth Wickersham).

    Hypocrisy at it’s finest. Believe unnamed sources when it suits you (and don’t check anything), call it out when it doesn’t (and they’re in denial). Did any of them refute anything Wickersham said? Did any of them say they weren’t making fun of Wilson?

    See there were some pretty specific claims and their refutation just ignored those claims.

    Sherman and the rest can’t look in the mirror because if they actually did, they’d hate what they see. So they lie, obfuscate, and kill the messenger.

  28. Im not sure whether they are buds or not really matters. Isnt it about whether they are winning or losing that counts?

  29. Don’t worry 2013s, I’m sure Luke Joeckel will protect your quarterback and reverse your franchise’s downward spiral.

    9-7, just missed the wild card!

  30. Certain players were allowed to say or do what they wanted and were never checked.

  31. To exacerbate the defensive side hating Wilson, it’s Wilson’s contract that pretty much insures they won’t be signing any decent FA’s any time soon.

  32. Lots of comments here I’d have to agree with …

    If Sherman is upset with his quarterback , let him go play for a team without one as good as RW and see how he likes never sniffing the playoffs . An awful lot of current Seahawks players have seen nothing but winning since coming into the league after being drafted by Schneider/Carroll . You have perennial All-Pro future Hall of Famers like Joe Thomas with the Browns that have never been to the post season , little own a Superbowl . Someone else brought up ‘Tez earlier ; played on a 2-12 team and never bitched. I love Sherman on the field , but I’ve talked to several 12’s recently that are all but done with his mouth .

    The problem with the offense isn’t Russell Wilson , it’s Tom ‘Frankenstein’ Cable and that pathetic excuse of an O-line we have year after year . Even when we beat the Broncos in the Superbowl , that was IN SPITE of the O-line , not because of it . It astounds me how year after year the man is called a genius when he regularly fields some of the worst offensive lines in football . The man’s been given tons of high round draft capital to work with , and they consistently under perform .

    My dad and I used to watch MNF back in the 70’s , and he always said “Son , football games are won and lost in the trenches” . Someone please phone Tom Cable and let him know .

    If our defense is that upset about the offense not holding up their end of the bargain , perhaps they’d like to volunteer some of their salaries so we can hire a new line coach and some better offensive linemen ?

    Go Hawks !!

  33. ^^ says the drunk guy. I love the hate. That means we are a great team. No one cares about crappy teams that don’t win.

    This wickersham story is just a story. Who do you believe, a reporter quoting unnamed sources and a RB coach who just got fired? (all the while taking each “statement” out of context and spinning it for his own purpose.) Or do you believe the players who are actually there?

    No one will ever prove the story true or false. Bottom line is there probably is SOME people in seattle’s defense that are frustrated with the lack of progress by the offense over the last three years. But the Wickersham story blows it way out of proportion. The defense has been pulling its weight. Time for the offense to take that next step.

    Also, name a team in the NFC that is better than Seattle. You could legitimately argue for two – Green Bay and Atlanta, any other arguments are ridiculous. BTW with a healthy Wilson this year, things will be a lot different, three headed RB monster with the threat of Wilson in the read option will be looking good, defense will get their swag back and the Hawks will be right back on top of the NFC west and back in the playoff where anyone can win on any given sunday.

    Have a nice memorial day weekend! Go Hawks!

  34. The Seahawks will go as far as the o-line will take them…There record over the past three years hides how much Wilson runs for his life on every play

  35. shaymusvandelay says:
    May 26, 2017 4:33 PM
    @ niners816

    Not a Seahawks fan but why don’t you wait until your team becomes relevant again before you comment about another team.
    ——
    You’re clearly a Seattle fan. And because I stick with my team through the good and bad. But you Seattle fans have no idea what I’m talking about.

  36. I think the problem the Seattle D has with Wilson is that they feel he has no accountability. If you played like @ss on the field (whether it’s the horrible o-line or not), you gotta call it like it is and say your offense played bad or let the defense down. As the QB, you are expected to be one of the leaders of the TEAM. He has to be accountable for bad games. His defense will automatically come to his defense if he shows the least bit of accountability.

    Great QBs do that. They take the blame even if it’s not entirely their fault. People respect that.

    The problem is once 1 or 2 players feel their QB is not accountable, then that permeates through the locker room. That defense works their tail off all season long and everyone wants to talk about how great Russell Wilson is. That wears thin when your QB doesn’t assess his play honestly when they lose and the D did everything they could to compensate for the inept O.

  37. seabrawk12 says:
    May 26, 2017 3:21 PM
    Why doesn’t Florio just admit he hates the Seahawks? He makes it obvious enough.

    ——————-

    If they pick up Kaepernick you might get a change of mind there.

  38. “He said that after they played the Rams, and they scored three points. And here’s a defense, in an era of offense, keeping them in these games, thinking that they’re going to make everybody forget the Steel Curtain, and the offense is putting three points up on the board and he’s being treated in the building like he’s their Aaron Rodgers. That to me I think is the biggest deal.”

    First of all, the Rams always play the Seahawks as a trench war.

    Second, I remember that Rams game…Week 2. In Week 1, Wilson had suffered a high ankle sprain before his fourth-quarter comeback win again the Dolphins. Sprains like that usually sidelines a player for several weeks, but Wilson played the Rams game anyway. He could barely walk, much less scramble.

    Then in Week 3 Wilson suffered a sprained MCL on his other leg and got pulled. In Week 4 he hobbles out on two bad legs, and puts up three TDs and a 133.5 passer rating against the Jets.

    And from Week 3 until the playoffs, there were just three games they scored fewer than 20 points.

    Oh, but they only scored three points against the Rams. Boo-freaking-hoo.

  39. It’s simple Seth… if you can name your sources then your story is more believable. All of your “evidence” is anecdotal and cannot be linked to anyone in particular. Therefore, it would appear that you are just making all of this up.

  40. Anyone who really watches the Hawks cannot honestly say that the offense is the only reason they have lost lately. For the last 2 years the defense has given up leads and failed to get off the field on critical 3rd downs. It was the defense that gave up a 10 point 4th quarter lead to the patriots, it was the defense that gave Carolina 31 points and it was the defense that allowed Atlanta to score 36 points this year. There is plenty of blame to go around for everyone – Sincerely an Honest Seahawks Fan.

  41. Of course hos article nailed it. Seattle, Sherman, Carroll and just about everyone associated with this franchise is awful to deal with. Their fans are insanely arrogant and annoying. By far the worst in the NFL. They have ZERO CLASS. Glad to see someone expose this franchise.

  42. I’m shocked that defensive players might be upset with the offensive side of the ball. I’m further shocked that not everyone on the team isn’t best friends with each and every other player. The most shocking of all is that somehow this is being made out like it’s a big deal, news and rare.

  43. Give Wilson something better than the WORST offensive line in football and watch him shine.

    Wisconsin had a good offensive line in Wilson’s only year there. Wilson had 33 passing touchdowns, 6 rushing touchdowns, and only 4 interceptions.

    AND Wilson set the record for NCAA passer rating

  44. The Seattle defense would have a much better argument to make if they had not been shredded in the 4th quarter of the SB.

  45. The people saying their window is closed, have you seen the rest of the NFC? For that matter, have you seen the rest of the NFL outside of the Patriots? For my money, they and the Saints are the 2 teams I’ve got money on coming out of that conference going into next year. Wilson was hurt all of last year (because an MCL and pectoral injury isn’t a big deal), and Earl Thomas should be back to form by midseason. That really was what ended their Super Bowl hopes last year was when he got hurt.

  46. schmitty2 says:

    If you’re going to use the argument of Wilson being in the same league as these other QB’s you listed (which is ludicrous at best), at least use something better than just passer rating.
    ——————————————————————-
    Ok.

    #1 in wins in his first 5 seasons (56.5)

    #1 in Adjusted Yards Per Attempt (8.06) better than Brady, Rodgers, Brees, BigBen, etc. …

    Most multi TD/Zero interception games in NFL history for his first 5 years (28, 7 more than 2nd place)

    25 Game winning Drives

    127 touchdown passes in first 5 years

    Most 100+ passer rating games in first 5 years in NFL history.

    Hall of Fame numbers, period. Get used to it.

  47. Is Wilson consistently all-Pro? No. Is he better than anyone else the Seahawks could get? Yes. So he’s not the problem. The draft overall wasn’t bad, but no one except maybe Pocic is going to help the offense this year, and that comes after losing one OL guy in FA and getting one flop (who I’d agree was worth looking at to see if he could come back, but the price they paid, wow), and one journeyman. I said Wilson was not the problem, but he’s going to have to be incredible this year to make up for overall neglect of the offense.

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