Who’s most responsible for Packers underachieving with Aaron Rodgers?

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PFT Live returns at 6:00 a.m. ET on NBC Sports Radio (7:00 a.m. ET on NBCSN), and with camps opening throughout the week we have a question regarding a team that last won a Super Bowl seven seasons ago.

Who’s the most responsible for the Packers underachieving with quarterback Aaron Rodgers?

It’s a poll question this time around, with several choices below (including the opportunity to say they haven’t underachieved at all). It’s a topic Chicago-centric Barstool Big Cat will surely enjoy when he joins the show for the final two hours, although he probably wishes the Bears had underachieved as much as the Packers have over the past seven years.

Make your pick in the poll, make your case in the comments, and join us for our first show back in one month and one day.

54 responses to “Who’s most responsible for Packers underachieving with Aaron Rodgers?

  1. The fan base also is to blame. They are happy with their 13 world championships and have become complacent. Sorry I missed many of your championships but I don’t know, the TV was not invented yet. The Vikings have one NFL championship falling way short of the pack but they do identify their weaknesses and try to fix i.e. Offensive line. I guess having one of the best QBs in Rodgers and not winning SBs is good enough. If this pack team was in another city the fan base would be up in arms. Looking forward in watching the pack getting bounced out the playoffs again this year.

  2. For the WHO part there is one party missing. And that is the rest of the team besides Rodgers. Football is a team game – as such 21 other players contribute – not counting ST.

    Also the WHAT is missing. And that is injuries. Last year the defensive secondary, the year before that the WR position – decimated by injuries.

    But from the list presented I would go with Dom Capers. His defenses have averaged 10 (approx) points per game more than the Patriots with Brady or 49ers with Montana in the playoffs.

    PFT – way to side step the real issue.

  3. I’m a Bears fan here, #12 is a beast. I hate seeing him twice, and maybe a 3rd time each year.

    I think the biggest reason for their “decline” (using the term loosely here) is Father Time. Their D used to be lights out at most positions. Basically because Aaron Rodgers
    shredded them on the scout team for years. But they got poached and now its 7 Years later. In fact only Clay, Aaron and Mason are left from that team as far as I can tell.

    Maybe Ted IS responsible for not supplementing new talent?

  4. Guys, help a brother out here. I’m not a Packers fan, so I’m fairly ambivalent on the topic but now curious and somewhat confused. How could the defensive coordinator be thwarting the play of the quarterback? Regardless, I admire you NFC North fans with the trash talk at one another; you guys are absolute pros at it.😂

  5. Usually I would say Ted Thompson because he is underachieving, but when you watch the Packers offense, it’s as if nobody is coaching or coordinating the passing game. There isn’t any deception involved, just Aaron Rodgers making great play, after great play (or hoping he does). So, since nobody seems to be coaching, I would say nobody is to blame.

  6. As a Bears fan who gets to see my time lose twice a year to the Packers, IMO they are a mediocre team without Aaron Rodgers.
    He’s the only threat.
    The bears have been terrible consistently against the Packers, but without Rodgers they are below a .500 team.
    The GM should be fired.
    Every broadcast they praise him cause so many of his picks are still on the team, but, honestly, name an impact player on the Packers besides Rodgers.

  7. In today’s game we give so much credit to the QB’s (Brady, Manning’s, Big Ben, Flacco, Wilson, Rodgers) when they are winning and when we lose we point the finger elsewhere. We also do the same thing with coaches (Belichick, Harbaughs, McCarthy, Tomlin and Carroll).

    As a Packer fan I would love to say it is all on one guy but reality is – there are 53 man rosters for a reason. You are only as good as the last player on your practice squad. Sure McCarthy can be blamed. Sure Rodgers deserves some blame.

    But these two can’t control having no RB and losing their top 2 receivers for a season.

    McCarthy can be blamed though for a horrible defense as that falls on the coach. But for Rodgers to carry this team to the playoffs every year and how many NFC title games over the past 7 years speaks for itself. The guy can sling it. He’s smart with the football and can score from anywhere on the field.

    The Vikings had one season from a former great Packer QB and that turned into a disappointing loss in an NFC championship game that they thoroughly dominated on the state sheet. I wonder how far the Vikings would go with a Rodgers leading the way. Losing in the NFC title game might get tired after a while but man that 2009 Viking season was a ton of fun.

    In the end we all know the blame has to be put somewhere and I would place that blame on Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy equally.

  8. How about Mark Murphy, the CEO who constantly professes his love of Terrible Ted. I disagree with the Big Cat. The stock owners have no say in running the team as Mike has correctly pointed out.

  9. They’ve overachieved. The refs gave them their last two playoff wins over the Cowboys.

  10. I’m going to say Devante “Stone Hands” Adams. There were a few playoff games where Rodgers would throw to him and the ball would bounce off his hands. Rodgers would keep throwing to him and the same would continue. I know they spent a high draft pick on him, but come on man.

  11. The fact that (currently) 18.56% of those polled don’t think that the Packers have underachieved since SB XLV is amazing.

    With the number of embarrassing playoff losses since that time, it would take a moron not to realize that the team has underachieved.

    But we are talking about Packer fans here (because it has to be Packer fans that represent the 18.56%) and they have their heads so far up their a$$ets….

  12. Its a two way street.

    MM for being too stubborn at times. It was documented that the Packers weren’t running any rub routes and were pretty much just running ISO routes and the WR couldn’t beat them. So he shoulders that blame.

    TT for not providing the pieces needed to get over the hump on both sides of the ball. Why aren’t you making stabs at players that would propel this team further. Instead you want to be the frugal old man at the grocery store. “I can’t buy the name brand… lets settle for this no so good brand…”

  13. Thompson is no saint but McCarthy is such a boob. Eddie Lacey should’ve been gone two seasons ago and his meltdowns in that Seattle playoff game was a prime example of ineptness. The fact Rogers has only played in one super bowl in unthinkable. He should at least be there just about every season. The defense is good enough, the line was solid and still should be decent enough after the fa losses. Hopefully they have drafted a rb but McCarthy is no question the weak link in that organization.

  14. Aaron Rogers is sort of the new Peyton Manning.

    Now the real question is did I just complement or insult the Green Bay Packers QB?

  15. Multiple split:

    Aaron: for passing up a 3 yard easy dump-off pass (on 1st down) and trying for a difficult 20 yard sideline pass. “Positive yards are good yards”

    McCarthy: His answer always is “get the ball out quicker” so he almost never leaves in pass protectors even after #12 has gotten sacked early and often.

    Capers: He 1) can’t coach the players he has, and/or 2) can’t describe the players he needs to make his scheme work

    Thompson: For 1) not drafting the right players on defense despite many picks. Other than Bulaga, and Rodgers, all other 1st round draftees have been on defense (Mathews, Perry, Clinton-Dix, Randall and Clark) but the defense continues to sputter. 2) Almost always ignoring free agency to the point of ridiculousness. Everybody knew DeMarcus Ware would be released, what would the defense look like with him added? Ted? no interest.

    Enough disconnects to go around. But, until there’s a year they miss the play-offs, the coaching staff is secure, and “we’ll get ’em next year.” will prevail.

  16. aaron. Everything that “team” has goes through him. No defense. Overrated wide outs. Risky high hail mary ratio. So, because of him, failure in the post season is inevitable.

  17. This question is downright stupid.
    Answering a question like this is impossible.

    Reasons why a football team fails requires nuance, as there can and usually are, a myriad of factors why a good team comes up short in their quest for a Championship.
    Sometimes it does come down to coaching and sometimes it comes down to key personnel.
    But, other times it can be significant injuries, dumb luck and sometimes you are just outplayed by a better team.
    There’s just too many moving parts on a football team and coaching staff to just reduce it down to a simple blame poll.

    My question, who is most responsible for the 56 straight years of futility that is the Minnesota Vikings?
    We know that their roster was chock full of Hall of Famers throughout the ’70s.
    And Bud Grant is a revered legend in the land of lutefisk for getting them to 4 Super Bowls, though he was never quite able to finish the deed.

    Obviously, they’ve had the most talented roster in the NFL over the last number of seasons, or at least that’s what we’ve been told by their fans. (ad nauseam)

    So, what’s their pinpoint problem?
    You think after 56 years you’d be able to notch one Championship.
    You’d think you’d have won one by accident by now.

  18. I voted Ted Thompson.

    Similarly to Mickey Loomis in NOs, these guys have been living off a legacy that started almost a decade ago now.

    With Thompson, trading Favre, drafting Rodgers, and winning a SB, were all obviously great moves, but what has he done since?

    He’s overpaid FAs and his own overrated draft picks (Nick Perry, etc), and for whatever reason can’t seem to field a good defense, after years of knowing he has Aaron Rodgers.

    It’s very easy to build around a HOF QB on offense in general, as Belichick has done, simply tweaking what the focus is of the offense, morphing in and out of a 2 TE set base, and not getting into cap hell, but Thompson, Loomis and even someone like Ozzie Newsome now, have been doing a poor job. Kevin Colbert is another one in Pitt.

    Mediocre or bad defenses can’t offset even the most lethal of offenses.

  19. with that defense and draft philosophy they have way Overachieved thanks to Rodgers.

  20. The personnel isn’t anywhere near as strong as it was in 2010. But for me, its McCarthy, without question.

    Look at his Playoff losses. They’re trainwrecks. Catastrophic breakdown marks each and every loss.

    The coaches don’t seem to be any good at developing players either. They either show well and start right away, or they get nothing from the players the personnel dept fill the roster with.

  21. I would blame Ted Thompson for relying on 4th round picks to save our defense every single year, although Dom Capers is so bad it’s hard to tell. About 90% of the fan base has wanted him fired since 2011 yet somehow he hangs on as we continue to give up 30+ points in each playoff game.

  22. Guys, help a brother out here. I’m not a Packers fan, so I’m fairly ambivalent on the topic but now curious and somewhat confused. How could the defensive coordinator be thwarting the play of the quarterback?
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    579 yards total offense, 323 rushing yards… to Colin Kaepernick
    531 total yards allowed in a loss @ Arizona
    Blew a 12-point lead with 4 minutes left in a Championship game
    Up 21-3 against Dallas this year, they barely held on
    Up 21-3 in the SUPER BOWL.. Rodgers had to close Pitt out

    The Packers defense melts down. EVERY post-season. You can set your watch to it.

  23. I would blame Ted Thompson for relying on 4th round picks to save our defense every single year, although Dom Capers is so bad it’s hard to tell.
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    Thompson has spent 6 consecutive #1 picks on defense. 4 #2s over the same span.

    I want to know what role Capers plays in the Draft process?!

    There seems to be an awful lot of square peg/round hole going on. And the Packers don’t seem to be building with the same types of players that the convention 3-4s are being built with. If Capers has something to do with that, its all the more reason why he belongs on the unemployment line.

  24. It starts with Rodgers who has for many years failed to move the offense WITHOUT FREE PLAYS GIVEN TO HIM ON DEFENSIVE PENALTIES.

    This offense is built around getting free plays and that is the only way they are successful – and this pads Rodgers’ stats tremendously since he knows the fraud of the NFL’s rules and profits off them – he doesn’t throw for first downs – he throws deep.

    Remove the gimmick offense and Rodgers is very average.

  25. gtodriver says:
    Jul 24, 2017 8:20 AM
    The fact that (currently) 18.56% of those polled don’t think that the Packers have underachieved since SB XLV is amazing.
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    Compared to teams like the Vikings, the Packers have excelled. That’s where the poll results are coming from.

  26. Vikings trolls continue to comment on all things Packers. Yes, this is on display for all to see. When a die hard Bear fan like my brother in law even see’s it and ask, you know it has to be blatant. Sad purple franchise. No championships and they talk about the Pack under-achieving?

  27. With 32 teams, each team should win a Super Bowl every 32 years. The Packers’ last one was 7 years ago.

    51 Super Bowls divided by 32 teams means each team should have 1.59 Super Bowl wins. The Packers have 4 of them PLUS 3 Championships in the 5 years immediately preceding the Super Bowl.

    Over the past decade ONLY New England has won more games than the Packers and only those two teams have gone to the playoffs for eight consecutive years.

    Most of you WISH your teams “underachieved” to this level.

    Yeah, yeah, I know… there goes that mean old Cabbage, posting facts instead of fantasies again.

  28. I think you missed an OBVIOUS choice – Mark Murphy Team President and CEO.

    He recently said that Ted Thompson can be, essentially, GM for life. THERE’S the problem – thinking Thompson is some sort of God as GM. Actually, he got (thankfully) incredibly lucky on his very first pick with Rodgers, but has been, at best, hit or miss ever since.

    As long as Murphy is there, Thompson will be as well, and therein lies the problem.

  29. 579 yards total offense, 323 rushing yards… to Colin Kaepernick
    531 total yards allowed in a loss @ Arizona
    Blew a 12-point lead with 4 minutes left in a Championship game
    Up 21-3 against Dallas this year, they barely held on
    Up 21-3 in the SUPER BOWL.. Rodgers had to close Pitt out

    The Packers defense melts down. EVERY post-season. You can set your watch to it.

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    Two words: Ted Thompson

    I am sorry, but they were overrated back in 2010 when they won the Super Bowl. Pitt torched their D in that very SB.

    They’ve gotten worse since then seemingly every year.

    They also lack good depth on D as well.

    For whatever reason, there are a host of GMs in this league that get all this praise, when in reality, they’ve not been as good as the media or some fans claim.

    Meanwhile, Belichick has put on an exhibition since the Lockout, realizing that if you load up on picks and take advantage of the rookie cap, you can never be in cap hell AND control the FA market for the players that fit.

    It’s comical to me people acknowledge what a great coach he is, but he’s equally an incredible GM. He should win Exec of the Year, almost every year, but we know why he doesn’t, don’t we?

  30. The Almighty Cabbage says:
    Jul 24, 2017 12:02 PM
    With 32 teams, each team should win a Super Bowl every 32 years. The Packers’ last one was 7 years ago.

    51 Super Bowls divided by 32 teams means each team should have 1.59 Super Bowl wins. The Packers have 4 of them PLUS 3 Championships in the 5 years immediately preceding the Super Bowl.

    Over the past decade ONLY New England has won more games than the Packers and only those two teams have gone to the playoffs for eight consecutive years.

    Most of you WISH your teams “underachieved” to this level.

    Yeah, yeah, I know… there goes that mean old Cabbage, posting facts instead of fantasies again.

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    All true, but that’s been a relatively week division with Chicago having no QB and Detroit having a crap or mediocre D, with a flawed teambuild under Mayhew.

    So, if your goal is to just win the division, have a weaker D, and no depth with your awesome offense, then you are correct. But, something tells me that is not your goal as a Packers fan.

  31. allight59 says:
    Jul 24, 2017 10:44 AM
    If you think they are underachieving now, just wait for the next several decades…..Packers about to relive the 70s and 80s.
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    ……..the wishful thinking of every Viking fan, expressed every year about this time since 1991.

  32. I like how the Packers make the NFC Championship game and it’s called “underachieving”.
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    Who are they being compared to?

    Leave the Patriots out, and your point is very valid.

    If they’re being measured against the Patriots, as the media and fans would have me believe, then yes, they’re underachievers in every sense of the word.

  33. Thompson has spent 6 consecutive #1 picks on defense. 4 #2s over the same span.

    I want to know what role Capers plays in the Draft process?!

    There seems to be an awful lot of square peg/round hole going on. And the Packers don’t seem to be building with the same types of players that the convention 3-4s are being built with. If Capers has something to do with that, its all the more reason why he belongs on the unemployment line.

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    I would agree. He should be the first to go if he did have input on player selection with Thompson on that D.

    Datone Jones and Nick Perry weren’t exactly strong picks on the front 7. And now, Thompson just was forced to overpay Nick Perry to compensate for a lot of whiffs on D.

    When I see BB sign someone like Lawrence Guy, a 3-4 DE or a 4-3 DT with some versatility, and I think of how weak GBs D has been lately, I wonder why on earth Ted Thompson didn’t see anything with a prospect like that on the cheap.

    He was a 7th rd pick, too. I will laugh my balls off if Guy looks good at weakside 3-4 DE in a rotation, while at 4-3 DT as well.

  34. packfaninpackland says:
    Jul 24, 2017 12:11 PM
    I think you missed an OBVIOUS choice – Mark Murphy Team President and CEO.

    He recently said that Ted Thompson can be, essentially, GM for life. THERE’S the problem – thinking Thompson is some sort of God as GM. Actually, he got (thankfully) incredibly lucky on his very first pick with Rodgers, but has been, at best, hit or miss ever since.

    As long as Murphy is there, Thompson will be as well, and therein lies the problem.

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    As a Pats fan who has nothing but respect for the Packers organization, I am just curious, but does Thompson have photos on Murphy?

    Why would you say what you just said? Are they related or something, where Murphy would never fire Thompson?

    I am not saying Thompson has been bad or should be fired, but it’s clear he’s been wildly overrated when talking about elite GMs.

  35. Who are they being compared to?

    Leave the Patriots out, and your point is very valid.

    If they’re being measured against the Patriots, as the media and fans would have me believe, then yes, they’re underachievers in every sense of the word.

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    McCarthy obviously is not BB and Thompson is also not BB as a GM, but clearly Rodgers can be considered on Brady’s level.

    So, that comparison is real as is the mediocrity or weakness of that division like the AFC East. The AFC East is a tad weaker than the NFC North, but it can’t be all McCarthy not doing a good coaching job. We’ve also seen absolutely horrendous coaches in this league, so GB could be doing a lot worse.

    The lack of a good D (you don’t need a great D to win a SB in this era, just a good one – Red Zone D, solid Run D, create turnovers, etc), is not McCarthy’s fault, unless he has a heavy hand in selecting alongside Ted Thompson.

    The simple fact is, Thompson has been very mediocre and for some reason the media has been brainwashing people into thinking he’s been great all this time.

  36. Two words: Ted Thompson

    I am sorry, but they were overrated back in 2010 when they won the Super Bowl. Pitt torched their D in that very SB.

    They’ve gotten worse since then seemingly every year.
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    2009 defense – 7th points allowed, 2nd yards allowed
    2010 defense – 2nd points, 5th yards

    Obviously, the most complete teams Rodgers has played on. The defense has been the weak link ever since, no question there

    2011 – 19th points, 32nd (dead last) yards
    2012 – 11th, 11th
    2013 – 24th, 25th
    2014 – 13th, 15th
    2015 – 12th, 15th
    2016 – 21st, 22nd

    .. also, not sure how the Steelers “torched” the Packers in SB XLV? They were down 21-3 shortly before halftime, Big Ben threw 2 ints, 1 returned for a score.

  37. When I see BB sign someone like Lawrence Guy, a 3-4 DE or a 4-3 DT with some versatility, and I think of how weak GBs D has been lately, I wonder why on earth Ted Thompson didn’t see anything with a prospect like that on the cheap.
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    They were relatively deep on the D-line at the time.

    Pickett.. Raji.. Howard Green was a standout in 2010.. they had 2 young guys they really liked (Wynn, CJ Wilson).. Guy lost a numbers game.

    And lets not pretend Guy is Richard Seymore. He’s on his 5th team in what will be his 7th season. He could probably help the Packers, but he’s not the anchor they’re missing up front.

  38. The lack of a good D… is not McCarthy’s fault, unless he has a heavy hand in selecting alongside Ted Thompson.
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    It most certainly is his fault; he’s the head coach. Do you think he doesn’t have input regarding Capers gameplan? I have no doubt Capers is handling the lions share of the work on that end, but the buck stops with McCarthy.

    I’ve seen many great coaches at the height of their glory. Walsh, Parcells, Gibbs, Seifert, Jimmy Johnson, Holmgren, Shanahan… COMBINED, those guys don’t have as many horrendous losses as McCarthy has from 2007-today.

  39. Basically, Rodgers is carrying TT and MM, and allows complacency by both of them. MM has been basically allowed to never field a defense. Now this is going to be very specific, but I think TT relies too much on one or two scouts that cannot judge DL and LB.

    Ultimately, MM allows capers to implement a defense that the perpetually young packers can never grasp. Then include some players clearly in decline like Matthews.

    Last, the injury bug hit them too hard at one position. So lady luck did them in a bit too.

  40. “My s*** doesn’t work in the playoffs. My job is to get us to the playoffs. What happens after that is ******* luck.” — Billy Beane
    Stuff happens. That’s why we watch sports. As much as everyone worships Tom Brady, Rodgers statistically has been the better playoff quarterback. That’s why we watch the games. as unlucky as Green Bay has been, the patriots have been just as lucky. It took a tuck rule, a complete collapse by the falcons, and an interception in the end zone. Without those and we are no longer talking about the patriots and Tom Brady being the best QB of all time. It’s putting your team in a position to win, then getting lucky. No team wins the Superbowl without some luck along the way.

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