Jerry Jones repeats his claim of “no evidence” of domestic violence in Elliott case

AP

The NFL has branded Cowboys running back Ezekiel Elliott‘s a perpetrator of domestic violence. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones continues to strongly disagree with that assessment.

“Every person that has any sense at all understands domestic violence,” Jones said during a visit with 105.3 The Fan in Dallas. “On the other hand, I’ve had a lot of experience in this area. For 10 years before I bought the Cowboys, I was head of Battered Women of Arkansas. And I’ve raised more money and been in more safe houses than more people that talk about it. And so it’s a terrible problem.

“On the other hand, with what we are and what we’re trying to be relative to addressing it in the league has all kinds of issues. And it should. It’s a very complicated issue, and because you have no evidence here. That’s all I want to say about it. But it creates quite a convoluted approach by Zeke’s representatives and by the league that I really hate that is the focus of all of our attention. I do. Even though others would say that the issue needs this kind of focus and you’re using the NFL for visibility. So, I have a very, very — I’d say I’ve got some real opinions here and we won’t talk about them here on the show. But we’ve got some work to do here as far as the league is concerned.”

Jones is right. The NFL has created an internal system for investigating and prosecuting domestic violence (and other crimes) that uses reduced standards of proof and, more importantly, incomplete and ineffective procedures. The Commissioner, for example, made the initial decision in the Elliott case without ever meeting with Elliott or his accuser. Likewise, Elliott’s representatives won’t have a chance to question the accuser or to study the interview notes and transcripts generated by the league.

Yes, the league has the power to do this. But that doesn’t make it right.

The problem for the players is that the general public doesn’t understand the flaws in the process and/or doesn’t care as much about that as it cares about the problem of player misconduct, especially when that misconduct is directed against women. And so the league will continue to err on the side of punishing players aggressively (regardless of actual guilt) in order to avoid the backlash that happens when a potentially guilty player isn’t deemed to have been punished enough.

Put simply, the P.R. fallout for the league from getting it wrong in punishing the player pales in comparison to the P.R. fallout for the league from getting it wrong in not punishing the player. As a result, all players will have to worry about being punished for something they didn’t do, in order to help 345 Park Avenue avoid the backlash that will emerge if it fails once again to throw the book at a player who did something he shouldn’t have done.

87 responses to “Jerry Jones repeats his claim of “no evidence” of domestic violence in Elliott case

  1. Unfortunately, all anyone cares about is football. Cowboys fans will say there’s no evidence, non-Cowboys fans are sure Elliott is a scum-bag. Jerry is right, this is a devastating issue and all the league cares about is “protecting the shield”.

  2. This kid is on his way to becoming the next PacMan Jones. Always getting in trouble, then either weaseling his way out of it or offering up a flimsy apology. Quit making excuses.

  3. Isn’t Jerry the guy that brought in Greg Hardy? Wasn’t there evidence that Hardy was violent and abusive? Please, don’t expect anyone to take you seriously Jerry when you say you are all about protecting women from violence, and then conveniently forget all about it when it might help your football team to look the other way.

  4. There was no evidence that the Pats were doing anything different than any other team for Spygate and there was no evidence that Brady or the equipment guys orchestrated some bizarre scheme to remove .03 of PSI from a ball after inspection either.

  5. The time for the NFL to get tough on domestic violence would have been with Ray Rice and Josh Brown, cases with absolute foolproof evidence of domestic abuse and violence. Not some case where the accuser is a confirmed liar and vindictively jealous.

  6. I was head of Battered Women of Arkansas

    I’ll bet that group was proud of Jerry when he hired Greg Hardy and called him a great leader.

  7. In others words Jerry your saying there isnt enough proof to show he got caught beating up a woman. Thus, he must be innocent. Hey Jerry, people with guns are savy enough to kill the witness’s too.

  8. LoL Jerrah cares about Domestic Violence? LMAO. He made it clear that he knows nothing and only cares about his team first when the Cowboys brought in Greg Hardy and then repeatedly stuck up for him and his mistakes and even called him a “Leader”. Jerry Jones is the true scum bag.

  9. What a joke, there’s no evidence because Jerry pays his “cleaner” millions to take care of any evidence that exists.

    It’s very telling he chose the words “no evidence” and not “he’s innocent”.

    As for the internal NFL investigations, remember when the cops investigating big Ben were more interested in selfies? Do you think any Dallas cop in their right mind would actively investigate Zeke costing the team?

    Players agreed to this in the CBA because things were looking real bad for the NFLPA (remember the PFT police blotter) so why should I feel sorry for a union member being subjected to a discipline policy set out in the collective bargaining agreement?

  10. “This kid is on his way to becoming the next PacMan Jones. Always getting in trouble, then either weaseling his way out of it or offering up a flimsy apology. Quit making excuses.”

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    Big difference between Zeke and Pacman. Pacman was actually arrested a bunch of times. Zeke hasn’t been. I could agree if you said he’s immature like OBJ and doesn’t have great judgement of who he hangs out with. But you can’t compare him to a criminal when he’s never been charged with anything.

  11. When he says “no evidence ” is he aware that the victim photos and testimony is in fact “evidence?” He may dispute the validity of the evidence but it is in fact evidence.

  12. Read the txt messages between the accuser and her friend … the ones in which she instructs her friend to lie to the police.

    – If they ask he dragged me out of my car
    — Okay
    — Just now?
    – When we got here
    – Like we pulled up and he showed up then yanked me out if the police ask

  13. He claimed to be so supportive of victims of domestic violence yet he brought in Greg Hardy and Randy Gregory, and then claims that there was zero violence on Ezekial’s ex. No way. His actions speak louder than his words.

  14. dsigrey says:

    August 29, 2017 at 12:05 pm

    Let me get you the worlds smallest violin Jerry… Didn’t hear you speak up when Brady and Kraft were getting railroaded.

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    Why would he? Where are Kraft and Brady in this matter? Seeking ways to cheat probably, like not reporting concussions. And don’t mention DV when you had a murderer on your roster. Sit down.

  15. granadafan – what the heck is wrong with you?

    you are going on message boards speaking lies of other people. are you mentally damaged?

    Randy Gregory smokes pot – what does that have to do with this issue?

    you need to find a life.

  16. Cowboys turn. The way this league works is that if a half dozen owners or so push for a pin-the-ears-back move, it happens. Every team has something happen that can be overblown despite a lack of any real evidence.

    The NFL owners are mostly a swirling cluster of rich boy jerks who don’t like not getting their own way.

    Don’t fret, if your team is any good some cluster of owners will grab Roger’s ear and he will do the same to you sooner or later. You fans of sucky teams are pretty safe though.

    Warm balls on the sideline, pipe in noise, and you get a slap on the wrist. Have balls deflated by weather, have a guy with little evidence of abuse or have little evidence of a bounty scheme and you get hammered. It’s absurd.

    Imagine if the Pats were caught piping in noise. The punishment would be epic.

  17. I love how everyone is so sure that he did this. Either you guys have more info then what’s out there or your just saying he is guilty because your bias. Remember how quick everyone was to damn the Duke lacrosse team and how that ended.

    Do i know he didn’t do this? No. But from the stuff i have seen and read I can’t really say he did. And the credibility of the accuser is very questionable.

    Has he had bad judgement. Yes.

    But for the NFL to claim he is a women beater, I find that a little tough to take.

  18. “And so the league will continue to err on the side of punishing players aggressively (regardless of actual guilt) in order to avoid the backlash that happens when a potentially guilty player isn’t deemed to have been punished enough.”

    Unless your a kicker for the Giants with documented proof of your actions, then they’ll err on the side of Mara.

  19. As a result, all players will have to worry about being punished for something they didn’t do, in order to help 345 Park Avenue avoid the backlash that will emerge if it fails once again to throw the book at a player who did something he shouldn’t have done.

    Or how about just not doing those types of things so you don’t have to worry about it?

  20. It’s almost as if none of these people were watching what happened to Brady last year. The way Roger runs his shop anyone can be suspended for anything for any number of games. This system will remain in place until a protracted work stoppage occurs or Godell walks the plank. And guess what Rog will have a new contact any day now.

  21. I would actually love to see Elliott sue the NFL for defamation of character. Since the police are refusing to press charges on allegations; he is an innocent man who was accused of violence by someone who is a proven liar. With the NFL suspending him for domestic violence, with tenuous evidence at best, they are calling him a woman beater to the entire world. My uneducated guess is that they could be criminally liable for harming his reputation and ability to secure advertising deals as one of the top RB’s in the NFL.

    I would at least talk to a lawyer about it a possible 100 million lawsuit. It would definitely make the NFL think twice about publicly hanging one of it’s players off of possible PR repercussions.

  22. nard100 says:
    August 29, 2017 at 12:22 pm
    Out of one side of his mouth he says he cares about womens issues and then out of the other he protects a player who the whole world saw abuse a woman.

    The thing everyone outside of Dallas is missing is this. I was at the parade in question. No one mentions that Zeke arrived with this girl, and also left with her, and spent the following week with her on vacation. Also, no one mentions, that she flashed herself a dozen or more times before Zeke pulled her shirt down, and she also flashed them a dozen or more times afterwards. But hearing that, doesn’t fit with the narrative that he’s a scum bag, so those facts get conveniently left out.

  23. The biggest problem has been how the league has handled these cases. The Josh Brown case is a prime example, it didn’t take a year to do an investigation, he admitted to being an abuser and gets 1 game, then there’s a public outcry. Then, Elliott’s case it takes a year long investigation and you get all this lack of evidence and credibility issues. How is the league handling the Tramaine Brock case ? The basic thing to do is treat each player’s case fairly. What the NFL should do is with joint participation withe NFLPA is hire outside independent investigators for each case. This way there isn’t scrutiny as to how the investigation is handled. Unfortunately, it will never happen because of Goodell’s power to be judge, jury, and executioner until the next CBA.

  24. Everybody saw how “DeflateGate” was handled by the league (a joke) and some people are surprised by this? Wow.

    I see what the NFL is trying to do. They are trying to “replace” the Court because they know 90% of these crimes won’t get the players arrested because they use money, death threats etc. so that the victims never go to Court or call the authorities. It’s not a bad idea per say but the legal system is there to do this job. If it’s broken, there’s not much you can do about it.

  25. One more reason to be thankful I’m not a Cowboys fan…hopefully, in less than a week we’ll be done with this story, the Kaep drama and the posts will be focused on the week 1 games.

  26. dsigrey says:
    August 29, 2017 at 12:05 pm
    Let me get you the worlds smallest violin Jerry… Didn’t hear you speak up when Brady and Kraft were getting railroaded.

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    I’m REALLY tired of Patriots fans crying about Brady. Lets be clear on something….there is one MAJOR difference in the two cases. What Brady was accused of doing is essentially making a football more comfortable to throw…..now, I dont know what the laws up in New England area are, but I am pretty sure thats not a felony or punishable by serving time in prison.

    What Elliott is accused of is a felony and punishable by time in prison. So, beating a woman and letting air out of a football……they dont equate…..you know…the whole apples and oranges thing.

    Brady was never in danger of going to prison, never in danger of losing endorsements and never in danger of having his name attached to a violent crime for the rest of his life. So…enough with the Brady tears…..its really old and nobody cares anymore.

  27. Unfortunately, the lack of evidence is not going to help. When asked by U.S. District Judge Richard M. Berman is there was any evidence against Tom Brady, NFL lawyer Daniel Nash admitted “there was no ‘smoking gun’” showing Brady had direct knowledge that the balls were deflated.

    While my second favorite team is the one playing the Cowboys each week, in this case I believe Zeke is being railroaded by the power crazy commissioner and I hope Zeke prevails. This madness needs to stop.

  28. I posted something a while back and I still haven’t received any information on it but what would prevent Elliot from suing for defamation if he is innocent? The impact to his endorsements or future endorsements is huge. It would be a very difficult case to make since he has to show the league intentionally did it but a good lawyer could make a case.

  29. Jerry is absolutely right about the nfl process being corrupt and flawed when dealing with these matters. Just because it is the system in place, doesn’t make it right and major changes are needed. And pats fans give it a rest, us Cowboys fans can turn around and point the finger at the fact that Kraft was perfectly fine with my ‘boys getting cap hit penalty for spending in an uncapped year. The bottom line is, these owners will get together and figure out the main denominator in their frustration has been the little snake Goodell playing sides, in an ultimate effort to increase his power and influence. Jerry and Kraft got TV money and sponsors, Goodell did not bring in the money, he is just mismanaging what should be a slam dunk business.

  30. Goodell is doing this so the NFLPA has no option but to demand this type of power be stripped away at the next CBA. For that, they will have to give up a % of the reveneue, thus the owners make hundreds of millions more (if not a billion), and Goodell gets millions more in a bonus because he got the owners more money. Absurd…..

  31. suncawy says:
    August 29, 2017 at 12:55 pm

    The biggest problem has been how the league has handled these cases. The Josh Brown case is a prime example, it didn’t take a year to do an investigation, he admitted to being an abuser and gets 1 game, then there’s a public outcry.
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    Actually, they did take a year to investigate it, all while knowing that Brown abused his wife.

  32. Stop with the Josh Brown only got one game stuff. Guy is a complete scumbag and deserves to be out of the league, like he is. Like Zeke, he has never been charged. His ‘admitted” abuse is only verbal as well as intimidation. The incident at the pro bowl was an argument where he grabbed his wife’s wrist. This is the NFL statement on why he was only given 1 game at first

    In a statement, the NFL said its investigation, which lasted 10 months, was hindered because Molly Brown, the kicker’s estranged wife, refused to talk to league investigators and authorities in Washington state didn’t give them any information during an open investigation.
    The NFL said in August that Josh Brown not being charged factored into the brief suspension.

    Once the story broke in October, he was placed an the exempt list and will never play another down. Again, that’s what the human trash deserves. But don’t say Zeke is innocent because he was never charged. That doesn’t always mean that nothing happened.

  33. whenwilliteverend says:
    August 29, 2017 at 12:49 pm

    Or how about just not doing those types of things so you don’t have to worry about it?
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    With Goodell, it doesn’t matter if you did something or not.

    Regardless of that, if John E. Law can’t make a case against you, then the NFL shouldn’t be able to.

  34. cowboysfan1979 says:
    August 29, 2017 at 1:20 pm
    Goodell is doing this so the NFLPA has no option but to demand this type of power be stripped away at the next CBA. For that, they will have to give up a % of the reveneue, thus the owners make hundreds of millions more (if not a billion), and Goodell gets millions more in a bonus because he got the owners more money. Absurd…..

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    Absolutely. This is what Pats fans have been trying to tell other NFL fans.

    We’re being used, as are the players.

  35. I seem to remember another high profile disciplinary case where there was “no evidence.”
    Refresh our memories, how did that one end up? Whatever the league wants to end up happening here is what will happen and facts or lack thereof have nothing to do with it.

  36. I’m REALLY tired of Patriots fans crying about Brady. Lets be clear on something….there is one MAJOR difference in the two cases. What Brady was accused of doing is essentially making a football more comfortable to throw…..now, I dont know what the laws up in New England area are, but I am pretty sure thats not a felony or punishable by serving time in prison.

    What Elliott is accused of is a felony and punishable by time in prison. So, beating a woman and letting air out of a football……they dont equate…..you know…the whole apples and oranges thing.

    Brady was never in danger of going to prison, never in danger of losing endorsements and never in danger of having his name attached to a violent crime for the rest of his life. So…enough with the Brady tears…..its really old and nobody cares anymore.

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    False. I am really tired of people being so obtuse, thinking they know US law, and regurgitsating the agenda coming out of 345 Park Ave.

    No other sport operates this way nor has these issues of outright, blatant corruption in the name of greed. The NFL has surpassed MLB and their cover up of knowledge of roids for so long. How about that, huh?

    Both situations are exactly the same, as are all of the cases Goodell has lied about it. The difference is, who is told to cheat whom.

    In this case, John Mara, the Giants owner, was in Goodell’s ear again, on the heels of the weasel saying they checked out Josh Brown, fully knowing he was a domestic case, where Mara told Goodell to only suspend Brown 1 game. That’s eerily similar to the appalling situation with Bisciotti having the balls to ask for only a 2 game suspension for Rice, but ONLY after the tape got leaked. If the tape was never leaked, Goodell would have feigned C”BA ignorance”, claiming the fiancee was not pressing charges.

    So, you’re wrong.

    In Goodell’s position, he needs hard evidence, but since the Deflategate framejob orchestration, demanded by the Colts/Ravens and other franchises who are trying to weaken the Pats, 1 week after Brady suggested Whinebaugh “check the rulebook” after the Ravens lost to the better team again, he has stated in a court of law that he can lie and manufacture evidence to cheat via Article 46.

    They are all the same situation, conceptually.

    The problem is, Goodell is a psycho, greedy liar and a sociopath who will lie to the NFL customer’s face in the name of money. Over and over and over.

    Ratings dropped 12% last year, likely due to the baggage the NFL customer takes on simply trying to get through an NFL season peacefully, without any drama.

    Goodell is a puppet to create this drama all in the name of greed.

    You follow now?

  37. floriosnuts says:
    August 29, 2017 at 12:50 pm
    It’s almost as if none of these people were watching what happened to Brady last year. The way Roger runs his shop anyone can be suspended for anything for any number of games. This system will remain in place until a protracted work stoppage occurs or Godell walks the plank. And guess what Rog will have a new contact any day now.

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    It’s not even the number of games, it’s the creepy fact Goodell can lie, cheat and steal.

    Last time I looked, those are crimes.

    The NFL literally admitted they had no real evidence in a US FEDERAL COURT, it was all manufactured, and then the NFL paid off Judge Chin on an appeal to claim that Article 46 allotted Goodell the right do, LITERALLY, whatever he wanted as commissioner.

    It’s bad enough the punishments are arbitrary, or in the Pats’ cases, completely Draconian, which proves the cheating. But, it’s the very fact Goodell has vaguely admitted he is the one doing the cheating at the behest of certain owners who want him to do it right in front of everyone.

    Fact: The Pats have never done what then NFL implied they did.

  38. Why would he? Where are Kraft and Brady in this matter? Seeking ways to cheat probably, like not reporting concussions. And don’t mention DV when you had a murderer on your roster. Sit down.

    13 25 Rate This

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    You don’t need to report a concussion if you passed the concussion protocol, which is also a very new protocol.

    Brady has been in the NFL for over 15 years.

    Glad I could help.

    Enjoy your sophmore year in high school.

  39. snakeplizkn says:
    August 29, 2017 at 1:40 pm
    No evidence. Aside from the pictures of injuries and eye witnesses.

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    Are you referring to the witness who signed a sworn affidavit saying the accuser lied to the police and asked her to lie? That witness? Do you know if those pictures were a result of the fight she got into at a bar? Oh, you dont? Well, you shouldnt make statements like that.

  40. I have always wondered how it would affect this type of situation if the player was not a member of the union. Texas is a right to work state with no closed shops. If Elliot resigned from the union, would he have better standing in federal or state court to advance his position, or would it not matter at all? Would he be able to go ahead and file a federal appeal without waiting for the arbitrator’s ruling? By the way, if his lawyers are court shopping, may I recommend the federal court in Marshall, TX.

  41. snakeplizkn says:
    August 29, 2017 at 1:40 pm

    No evidence. Aside from the pictures of injuries and eye witnesses.
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    There were eyewitnesses to Elliott hitting her? That seems like important information that absolutely no one else has.

    The only eyewitness testimony I have read about is the accuser trying to get others to lie about what really happened.

  42. nard100 says:
    August 29, 2017 at 12:22 pm
    Out of one side of his mouth he says he cares about womens issues and then out of the other he protects a player who the whole world saw abuse a woman.

    The funny thing about this, is that nobody bothered to get this woman’s opinion on what happened. Society needs to stop getting outraged on behalf of people who didn’t ask for the public’s opinion.

  43. Yeah all those damn pictures on the internet and in the police file of the bruises on her arms, neck, back and legs sure do look self-inflicted to me. He’s got to be innocent…..LOL

  44. Here is where Zeke and his lawyers lost my support; when shown the evidence of the photos, the lawyers try to suggest that she fell down a flight of stairs! Really? That is one of the lamest attempts to blame something else. Any lawyer that suggests something that dumb should result in an extra 2 game suspension for insulting the intelligence of everybody except Jerry Jones apparently.

  45. norseyapper says:
    August 29, 2017 at 12:18 pm
    Isn’t Jerry the guy that brought in Greg Hardy? Wasn’t there evidence that Hardy was violent and abusive? Please, don’t expect anyone to take you seriously Jerry when you say you are all about protecting women from violence, and then conveniently forget all about it when it might help your football team to look the other way.
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    Jerry, not once, ever defended Greg Hardy. Not a single time. Hardy was a project. A risk the front office took in order to try and get the team some form of pass rush to help the offense. They never, ever claimed Hardy’s innocence nor did they defend his off field behavior.

  46. concmike says:

    Yeah all those damn pictures on the internet and in the police file of the bruises on her arms, neck, back and legs sure do look self-inflicted to me. He’s got to be innocent…..LOL
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    No, they were inflicted during a bar fight by someone other than Elliot. She admitted it in her text messages.

  47. snakeplizkn says:

    No evidence. Aside from the pictures of injuries and eye witnesses.
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    What eyewitnesses?

  48. Josh Brown was convicted of beating his wife and got 1 game.

    There was no PR blowback from that for a long time. Guess Mara has more of Rogers ear than Jerry.

  49. Innocent or not? Either way Elliott’s behavior since this investigation started has been unnerving. What about Jerry? The same guy that defended Greg Hardy and even called Hardy a leader.

  50. “For 10 years before I bought the Cowboys, I was head of Battered Women of Arkansas.”
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    So what have you been doing the past 10yrs – creating sufficient additional demand to justify another branch in Dallas??

  51. The NFL could make ALL of this go away if they would do one thing. Let law enforcement and the district attorney’s do the work, then suspend players accordingly. When you have a player accused of a criminal act and law enforcement completes their investigation with no charges, the NFL is off the hook with the public. The fact that a young bright star in their league is now saddled with a domestic abuser tag is on the NFL. THEY brought this unwanted attention on themselves by disregarding law enforcement’s recommendation and then leaving this open and hanging over the leagues own head for well over a year.

    I have NO idea if he really did it and based on the accusers own lies and questionable character, its hard for anyone to really know. But what I do know is that its better for 10 guilty players to go unpunished than for 1 to be unjustly labeled a violent abuser.

  52. Perhaps there was a second beater, on the grassy knoll!!! Maybe Zekes just a patsy!!!

    Zeke, OJ, and Ray Ray Lewis….all innocent.

  53. And when Goodell was after the Saints in Bountygate, you cheered him on. And when Goodell was after the Patriots with Deflategate, you cheered him on.

    Go take a flying leap, Jerry.

  54. weeteblog says:
    August 29, 2017 at 3:18 pm

    The NFL could make ALL of this go away if they would do one thing. Let law enforcement and the district attorney’s do the work, then suspend players accordingly.
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    Sounds good, except for the fact that Ray Rice had his charge dropped, and Josh Brown was never charged, and there is no question that those two were guilty of abuse.

  55. Jerry, not once, ever defended Greg Hardy. Not a single time. Hardy was a project. A risk the front office took in order to try and get the team some form of pass rush to help the offense. They never, ever claimed Hardy’s innocence nor did they defend his off field behavior.

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    That may be so, but Hardy was CONVICTED of domestic violence and Jerry Jones (who claims to be all for protecting women from abuse) paid him $13 million and referred to him as “a leader”. While he may not have defended Hardy’s off field behavior, he sure as hell didn’t condemn it. Some might even say Jones enables his players to behave in such a repulsive manner.

  56. This is all just drama. Elliott will start against the Giants. Jerry will take this to the bank.

  57. People will be better off when they come to the stark realization that the NFL doesn’t care about domestic violence. They only care about their image, which is why it is hilarious that they keep Roger Goodell around.

  58. mmack66 says:
    August 29, 2017 at 3:43 pm
    weeteblog says:
    August 29, 2017 at 3:18 pm

    The NFL could make ALL of this go away if they would do one thing. Let law enforcement and the district attorney’s do the work, then suspend players accordingly.
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    Sounds good, except for the fact that Ray Rice had his charge dropped, and Josh Brown was never charged, and there is no question that those two were guilty of abuse.

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    Charges against Ray Rice were dropped when he agreed (essentially confessing) to undergo court supervised counseling. Rice was indicted and a deal was worked out to avoid prosecution.

    Josh Brown doesnt really cut here either since he was arrested and charged and police documents show he admitted to abusing his wife, hence the charges.

    If a player is arrested and indicted….for me thats good enough, you dont need an actual conviction since charges are often dropped when financial arrangements are made or plea deals are reached to avoid a conviction. Its clear in both the Ray Rice case (the video) and the Josh Brown case (his admission, plus the NFL had to get involved in the abuse that occurred at the pro bowl) that there was enough law enforcement evidence that they did what they were accused of.

    My issue is when law enforcement refuse to proceed……that means the NFL needs to stop as well.

  59. eldoradogeorge says:
    That may be so, but Hardy was CONVICTED of domestic violence
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    False. Did Hardy do it? More than likely but he was never convicted of it. Interestingly enough everybody likes to point to the payoff he gave the victim, which resulted in her lack of cooperation with prosecutors and absence at the trial, as the reason he wasn’t convicted but they tend to leave out the tiny but oh so important detail that in the state of NC the accuser doesn’t have to be present at the trial to testify as the prosecutors can push forward simply with testimony she already provided BUT….her story was so full of inconsistencies, as it seemed to change every time she told it, that they needed her to there to clear them up otherwise Hardy’s defense team would’ve tore even more holes in her story than she left it with.

  60. “Listen to my words, ignore my actions” doesn’t work for EVERY rich white billionaire, Jerry…
    Evidence? Since when did evidence matter to you, Jerry? I remember a MOUNTAIN of evidence against Greg Hardy, it didn’t slow you down one SECOND signing THAT batterer… Skip the BS about you and domestic abuse, the whole world sees and understands that your team is the HAVEN for batterers and abusers and druggies. It’s not by accident that y’all have led the league in games missed to suspensions for how many years straight? Again, save the BS protestations, your words are transparently, laughably, irrelevantly contradicted by yours and your players’ actions.

  61. mmack66 says:
    August 29, 2017 at 4:03 pm
    People will be better off when they come to the stark realization that the NFL doesn’t care about domestic violence. They only care about their image, which is why it is hilarious that they keep Roger Goodell around.

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    You have to take it one step further than that. They only care about money. Having a hated guy as their commissioner may negatively impact their image, but not in a way that reduces revenue. Domestic violence issues will decimate revenue. That’s the difference.

  62. liftheavyorliftheavy says:
    August 29, 2017 at 12:35 pm
    Read the txt messages between the accuser and her friend … the ones in which she instructs her friend to lie to the police.
    – If they ask he dragged me out of my car
    — Okay
    — Just now?
    – When we got here
    – Like we pulled up and he showed up then yanked me out if the police ask

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    The alleged victim is definitely a liar. She also has photos of injures that are consistent with domestic violence that were proven to be taken the day of the injuries and she was definitely with Elliot during that time. Someone had to do it.

  63. bullcharger says:
    August 29, 2017 at 5:23 pm
    liftheavyorliftheavy says:
    August 29, 2017 at 12:35 pm
    Read the txt messages between the accuser and her friend … the ones in which she instructs her friend to lie to the police.
    – If they ask he dragged me out of my car
    — Okay
    — Just now?
    – When we got here
    – Like we pulled up and he showed up then yanked me out if the police ask

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    The alleged victim is definitely a liar. She also has photos of injures that are consistent with domestic violence that were proven to be taken the day of the injuries and she was definitely with Elliot during that time. Someone had to do it.

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    I guess the fight witnesses saw her in wouldn’t have anything to do with those injuries huh?

  64. Don’t worry…Jerruh had Henderson at his HOF party, so I’m sure there will be some wink-and-nod deal to let Elliot off the hook.

  65. Greg Hardy has nothing with this situation. You can question that signing all you want. I did scrutinize having a person like him in a locker room who ended up being toxic. Elliott’s suspension is different. Hardy was arrested and convicted although was dropped on appeal later pictures were revealed that showed the abuse. Same cannot be said of Elliott and now we have email evidence that this woman was trying to blackmail him. We have to be objective and analyze each instance in a case by case basis. Also, pulling the girls top down was innapropriate but it isn’t assault or abuse.

  66. From reading the Fort Worth Star-Telegram’s coverage and also the fact Goodell’s lead investigator in essence said the accuser was lying, Jones has a case here.

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