Geragos has “reason to believe” a collusion “smoking gun” exists

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Lawyer Mark Geragos, who has been hired to represent quarterback Colin Kaepernick, hasn’t said much publicly about the collusion grievance filed last Sunday on Kaepernick’s behalf against the NFL. In the latest episode of the Reasonable Doubt podcast (with his c0-host Adam Carolla), Geragos said plenty.

“What you need is the email from . . .  Goodell to the owners, you need that smoking gun of the ‘don’t hire this guy,'” Carolla said in the episode that debuted Saturday.

“We have very good reason to believe that that exists,” Geragos replied.

Geragos went on to say that the smoking gun can come in the form of a piece of paper or an answer provided while testifying. Geragos also echoed a point made here recently regarding the potential value of digital evidence.

“The interesting thing will be when the discovery comes, and I expect the discovery to be very quickly,” Geragos said regarding the procedures for obtaining evidence before a formal hearing occurs. “You know, you can’t erase stuff anymore like you used to be able to; texts, emails, things of that nature.”

Geragos also explained that he opted to proceed with a grievance under the NFL’s labor deal because the rules allow things to unfold faster than they would in court.

“I want to move this as quickly as possible,” Geragos said, because Kaepernick “wants to play.”

Geragos also dropped a clear hint that the collusion grievance could go away quickly if Kaepernick gets a chance to play. Of course, the NFL has a reputation for stubbornness, especially in legal matters. If anything, the collusion grievance could cause the league to dig in even more.

Then again, if the NFL hires smart lawyers who quickly gather and properly understand the information that Geragos eventually will see from cell phones and email accounts, a strong recommendation could be made to find a way to get Kaepernick back to work.

“Sometimes I just want to tear what little hair I have on the head out when I see legal commentators say, ‘Oh, this is this uphill battle, it’s that uphill battle,'” Geragos said. “Guys, the conspiracy statute in federal court is much tougher than the collusion standard in the [NFL’s] CBA. . . . And every day federal prosecutors are able to prove conspiracy. So I do not think it’s as uphill as battle as people make it out to be, in fact I think it’s fairly obvious at this point that there has been collusion. But I don’t need to sit here and litigate it so much as let’s see what happens on Sunday in the quarterback situation and whether somebody signs him. I still have a pretty good feeling somebody’s gonna sign him.”

Most don’t have that feeling. Then again, most don’t have access to the proof of collusion that may be lurking in text exchanges and elsewhere on devices used by employees of the NFL and its teams.

The NFL has that access, and the NFL knows it doesn’t require a documented edict from 345 Park Avenue to prove collusion. Fretting among owners or other team employees about, for example, being called out by the President for signing Kaepernick may be sufficient to prove implied collusion, and the labor deal makes it clear that both express and implied collusion are prohibited.

61 responses to “Geragos has “reason to believe” a collusion “smoking gun” exists

  1. Of course he does. They’re called billable hours. If he told Krap that he has no case he won’t make any money. He’s going to bleed Krap dry just like Krap is trying to bleed the NFL dry. Face it, your 15 minutes are over.

  2. His “reason to believe” such an email exists is merely that Kaepernick doesn’t have a job. No one has told him there’s such an email or he would have said, “I’ve been told by a very good source that such an email exists.”

    Making lawyers look bad. Annoying.

  3. Maybe CK’s GF should of kept her mouth shut or off social media (downfall of western civilization) and he’d be on the ravens. The things she said about the ravens owner were ridiculous. Shows the mindset involved in all of this.

  4. “Geragos went on to say that the smoking gun can come in the form of a piece of paper or an answer provided while testifying.”

    Or an answer provided by Alex Trebek, with the correct question being “Who are we blackballing this year?”

  5. I kinda wish the Browns sign him, plays him and online give him the “O’le” blocking he deserves.. Kaepernick is not a good QB and the distraction/circus he brings to town should turn off and owner promoting a brand. If thats collusion then give Kaepernick $100 dollars a send him down the road to kick rocks. Kaepernick also has a Business Management degree, but I hazard a guess no private interprise is beating down the door to hire him either.

    Consequences to your actions isn’t always collusion. Intent actually does matter in America despite what the left wants to believe.

  6. It makes sense for a losing team to sign Squidward because a lot of black players on opposing teams give him as much extra room as they can afford without harming their own. It was obvious last season with the 49ers.

  7. Hmmm… I’ve always said, he with the best lawyer wins! My ex wife knows that saying well. Her low cost lawyer didn’t help her much.😁

    Kaepernick has a few million dollars to hire a really good lawyer. Geragos has some gravitas but he’s not The Man.

    However… his opponents are 32 billionaires.🙈. They will hire a battery of really, really heavy hitters that will overwhelm Geragos with so much work his talent will be great diluted and he will become ineffective.

    Plus… Kaepernick turned down a job offer of $900,000 per year from an nfl team already. Geragos has to convince the judge that $900,000 per year was not a legitimate offer…😩. Good luck with that Mr Geragos.😂

  8. As part of the boycott crowd, I would like to see both Goodell and Kaepernick go down in flames. A knock down drag out affair that ends in Kaepernick getting nothing and Goodell losing his job is what I want.

  9. Just posturing, no owner wants to appear to cave from “pressure” from Kap’s side and then face the wrath of fans and Trump! DUH

  10. Colin wants his legacy to be that he was fired and not rehired because he is a black man who silently protested the very real social injustices. The reality is Colin knew he was done as a starter and cooked up this con and wrap it in the flag. The reality he made impossible for any one to hire him. No team wants this and truly no team deserves it. Colin is con man and this will never go to court and Colin will never play in the NFL again.

  11. meanwhile, the eagles are 5-1, have one of the best young QBs in the league in carson wentz, have one of the best D lines in the league and have next 3 at home.

    you losers keep focusing on stuff that doesn’t matter while the eagles keep focusing on where it really matters…on the field

  12. Didn’t Kap opt out of his 49er contract? I also wonder how many cell phones and computers will be destroyed, just like Brady’s.

  13. Kaepernick has never made his contract demands known either – and let’s not forget that he opted OUT of a $14M contract for this year. Seems more like a very poor business decision than anything else.

  14. They don’t need to collude to keep him out. I’m not an NFL GM and I can come to that conclusion. I came to the conclusion last year. Knowing what I know now. There is no way I would bring that guy and the circus that is sure to follow. Sorry Kap! You made that bed.

  15. But Kap wouldn’t your $ be better spent donating to good charities like assata shaker foundation? Yea a convicted cop killer lets name our foundation after that, and Castro and Che Guerva outstanding ideals that will make this country a better place! Carry on nothing to see here!

  16. So he is going to get e-mails, and phone records of the 80 – 90% of fans that don’t want him on their team because he’s not that good.

  17. chrisk61 says:

    October 22, 2017 at 12:28 am

    meanwhile, the eagles are 5-1, have one of the best young QBs in the league in carson wentz, have one of the best D lines in the league and have next 3 at home.

    you losers keep focusing on stuff that doesn’t matter while the eagles keep focusing on where it really matters…on the field
    ——————————————

    All that may be true, but at the end of the day it is still the Eagles. They will find a way to screw it up and be out of contention after 1 playoff game.

  18. The article is burying the real information that comes out of Geragos’s statement.

    The actual news is – HE HAS NO EVIDENCE.
    Hes hoping to go fishing and find some.

  19. wonder who is paying garroolooose. not ck i’ll bet. follow the money. the team( if one does) that hires him will never be able to fire him. the race card will be pulled and all the lawyers in the world will be lined up.

  20. Im not carzy about how Kaep has chosen to handle things. But I really dont want to see some lawyer clean his clock either. Is this guy working for a percent if they win? Or is it just billable hours where he can bleed him dry then walk away?

  21. gregbeau says:
    October 22, 2017 at 11:21 am
    Not even Roger Goodell is that stupid as to send that kind of message via email.

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    I have often wondered what would pop out if Wikileaks or a like group hacked the NFLs email servers. But that hasnt been acvomplished which is saying something. The DNC should try to hire away some of the NFLs techs. Obviously they are good.

  22. Oh really? The same “smoking gun” that liberals manufactured against Scooter Libby?

    I hope this lawyer takes Kap for all the money he has left. I am tired of him. Maybe he can get a job with the Clinton or Obama Foundations.

  23. Neither Roger Goodell or the owners owe Kap anything much less a job. He could be in Baltimore right now if not for his girlfriend and could probably be on any of several other rosters if not for his pig socks what do him, Geragos, Florio and his clueless supporters not understand about that? If he had stuck simply to his protest he may have been fine but the socks I’m sure scared many teams away and his girlfriends tweet took care of the few who may have given him any consideration. And as many have said on here before if a team did sign him how many questions will that team face from the media about why he’s not starting, not replacing a struggling starter or when the time comes why he was released? He did this to himself and the very same media that wants to cram him down every teams throat are only making it worse. The only collusion to keep him unemployed is seemingly between the media and his girlfriend

  24. 34bo34 says:
    October 22, 2017 at 12:37 am
    Didn’t Kap opt out of his 49er contract? I also wonder how many cell phones and computers will be destroyed, just like Brady’s.

    ————-
    Destroying a cell phone accomplishes nothing. That was always a red herring for the gullible wanting something to believe.

    Food forbthought: If you lose your cell phone and get a new one it gets restored with all your data that you had on your old one. Can you guess how?

  25. It’s funny. Some anti-Kaep people think he is not in the NFL because he is not talented enough. Really? He threw 16 TD to 4 INT last year. At least be honest that his talent is not the reason he is in the NFL.

  26. Couple of points to make:

    1. The league office role is to perform joint services common to all teams, not personnel selection.

    2. Geragos obviously thinks the NFL has bigger idiots than his client. Smoking gun emails generally exist only when there is a prepared report by underlings for management. Management knows better than to put things like that in emails. Don’t you think the Brady arbitration would have found those? I seriously doubt they exist.

  27. Translation: He has nothing and knows he likely won’t get anything. “Collusion” just doesn’t pass the smell test. It’s far more likely individual owners are looking out for their bottom lines.

  28. If they’re going with the President ‘calling’ him out was collusion then what about all the time Kaepernick didn’t have a job prior to Trump’s speech. That was just a couple weeks ago

  29. “Then again, if the NFL hires smart lawyers who quickly gather and properly understand the information that Geragos eventually will see from cell phones and email accounts, a strong recommendation could be made to find a way to get Kaepernick back to work.”

    This paragraph assumes too much. Its also possible that after the lawyers do that due diligence they advise the NFL that there is no reason to be concerned about any lawsuits and that they should dig in and not allow the precedent.

    As far as putting him on a team, lets remember that the NFL itself does not employ football players so they can’t just ‘give him a job’. Goodell can’t direct an owner’s personnel decisions any more than Trump can.

  30. tinye67 says:
    October 22, 2017 at 12:52 pm
    The crusade continues

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    Crusade for what though?

  31. the problem is, even if ‘legally’ its concluded there is/was collusion because one owner said to another owner ” I wont hire him, hes to much of a distraction” and the other owner agrees, that’s a far cry from an email from owners saying to each other “Don’t hire him because he is sitting” Unless there is evidence that the owners truly blackballed kaepernick, (which I doubt there is) its not going to change the opinions of any fans, nor should it. When it comes to a legal decision via a technicality, most people view that as just legal BS.

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