Broncos didn’t violate rules by using walkie-talkies

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Several of you have pointed out that, during Sunday’s game against the Chargers, Broncos offensive coordinator Mike McCoy was speaking into a walkie-talkie.

McCoy indeed was, and it’s noteworthy because the Giants suffered a draft-pick downgrade in round four of the 2017 draft for impermissibly using a walkie-talkie when the coach-to-quarterback communication system crapped out in a game last year against the Cowboys.

The Broncos were doing the same thing. But they won’t be punished, because the rules have quietly been revised.

“There was a change during the offseason,” NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy tells PFT via email. “There were changes made to the system that gave all teams the ability to use a radio as a way to communicate play calls if there was an issue with calling in plays on the existing system. In 2016, club personnel were prohibited from using a radio because there was no way to cut off that radio’s communication as required by league rules (i.e., 15 seconds left on the play clock).”

Per McCarthy, the new system allows for the 15-second cutoff. Which makes walkie-talkies an acceptable replacement for the standard system.

Which means that the Broncos didn’t cheat. Which is good, because if they’d cheated and scored zero points, something would be really, really wrong in Denver.

78 responses to “Broncos didn’t violate rules by using walkie-talkies

  1. “Which is good, because if they’d cheated and scored zero points, something would be really, really wrong in Denver.”

    They may not have cheated, but something is really, really wrong in Denver.

  2. Explain to me again why the Giants didn’t get find a million bucks and docked a 1st round pick for their use of Walkie Talkies? Was it the “Josh Brown” rule?

  3. So Mara had the rules changed. The issue wasn’t just the Giants using walkie talkies, its that they did so after the cutoff when the normal comm system to the QB is shut off 10 or 15 seconds before the play clock runs out.

  4. Got to love Godell’s NFL, Giants do something illegal give them a slap on wrist and in the off season change the rules to make that OK going forward. So honest and transparent, LMAO

  5. Comical as hell to read this..So, now it’s ok to cheat since the Giants changed the rule in the off-season after escaping a more serious penalty for outright cheating last year in front of everyone.

    Oh that Article 46!

  6. and spygate was what exactly? The all 22 shows everything, and now walkie talkies and tablets are ok?

  7. They are one of the league’s darling teams so of course the league isn’t going to punish them for cheating.
    And as previously mentioned losing to the Giants and Chargers back-to-back is really it’s own punishment.

  8. Now we must stop Bill Belichick and his evil fog machine. It wasn’t just fog, it was evil fog.

    Of course I’m being sarcastic. But articles about a possible rule violations tend to bring out the slow witted.

  9. I like being a patriots fan more and more, we’re just like Marlon Brando in the wild one, just come into town , beat everyone up, get the girl and tell everyone I else to F off.

  10. Interesting. The taped signals from Spygate weren’t used in game either so what’s the problem? I forgot, viewing them post game created a much more distinct advantage to a walkie talkie with no cutoff. Got it.

  11. “something would be really, really wrong in Denver”

    There is something really, really wrong in Denver. Namely Vance Joseph & Trevor Siemian.

  12. No worries Bronco nation, that QB Elway traded up to draft in 2016 will save the day. What’s his name again?

  13. aarons444 says:
    October 24, 2017 at 1:44 pm
    Wait till the Patriots hear about this……..

    They knew, we knew and it’s no surprise here. How frustrating must it have been to know that after a complete railroading that NE won not one but 2 SBs in 3 years despite the best efforts of the Keystone Krooks.

  14. factschecker says:
    October 24, 2017 at 2:00 pm
    Now we must stop Bill Belichick and his evil fog machine. It wasn’t just fog, it was evil fog.
    Of course I’m being sarcastic. But articles about a possible rule violations tend to bring out the slow witted.
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    I would say they bring out the slow witted obsessives. Exhibit A:

    aarons444 says:
    October 24, 2017 at 1:44 pm
    Wait till the Patriots hear about this…

  15. mackcarrington says:
    October 23, 2017 at 10:54 pm
    tylawspick6 says:
    October 23, 2017 at 10:37 pm
    lmao @ people claiming a bills cast off is a “future hall of famer”..just sad at how delusional some are with regards to
    players who are still
    not in yet.
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    Well, he signed with Philly as a free agent. The regime running the Bills at that time thought he wanted too much money. He was highly regarded and wasn’t exactly “cast off”. What did Buffalo ever do to you?

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    rules do not apply to the cheating teams like the giants

  16. How frustrating must it have been to know that after a complete railroading that NE won not one but 2 SBs in 3 years despite the best efforts of the Keystone Krooks.
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    I had to put my bulldog down on Super Sunday.

    I then made the mistake of tuning into the Super Bowl.

    There isn’t enough whiskey in Ireland to make me repeat that mistake again.

  17. wib22 says:
    October 24, 2017 at 3:34 pm
    rules do not apply to the cheating teams like the giants

    ****

    Or Billy’s team.

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    Hilarious…My team has never cheated the cap or tampered with another team’s player or coach.

    Even the headset myth is a myth as we;ve come to learn through the years. All of it is paranoia and myth, which is comical how much power it actually does hold even to this day.

    Name a legit “cheating” escapade under the BB Era. You can’t. Tagliabue had nothing and Goodell was hired to manufacture whatever he could when he could. If NE went into court for the Spygate framejob, Goodell would have been called a liar then, too.

    Meanwhile, all these other teams cheat left and right and Goodell covers it up because he doesn’t want ratings to get any worse, but the cheater has dug his own grave here.

    The best move the owners could make would be to fire Goodell, use him as a scapegoat and adjust their approach into the next CBA, but people like you would rather your owner still cheat the others instead because you like the cheating to help your team.

    Heck, I wouldn’t be surprised if Mara himself dropped in the Walkthrough tape lie on the eve of SB 42.

  18. You know things are bad in Denver when fans are calling for Osweiler to start.

  19. jjackwagon says:
    October 24, 2017 at 1:53 pm
    They are one of the league’s darling teams so of course the league isn’t going to punish them for cheating.
    And as previously mentioned losing to the Giants and Chargers back-to-back is really it’s own punishment.

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    You may want to read the article before you post….the rules were changed so anyone can use a walkie-talkie.

  20. aarons444 says:
    October 24, 2017 at 1:44 pm
    Wait till the Patriots hear about this……..

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    The Patriots are not going to go near a walkie talkie. They know the leage will twist it into something its not if they did. No one should ever think that just because they watched Mara get a free pass on something that means its safe for them to do too. To a degree that applies to the Broncos too.

  21. IMHIM says:
    October 24, 2017 at 4:10 pm
    jjackwagon says:
    October 24, 2017 at 1:53 pm
    They are one of the league’s darling teams so of course the league isn’t going to punish them for cheating.
    And as previously mentioned losing to the Giants and Chargers back-to-back is really it’s own punishment.

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    You may want to read the article before you post….the rules were changed so anyone can use a walkie-talkie.

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    Yes, but WHY were they changed immediately after last year? Which team cheated, got caught, and barely got a slap on the wrist after lying about Josh Brown’s domestic violence history?

    And, we haven’t even gotten to the cover up of Eli Manning’s memorabilia scam after the cover up of his brother’s obvious PED use via Guyer Institute, and those undetectable Chinese PEDs.

    Why is it ok for some teams to cheat with nothing happening or very little punishment why the Pats are framed with collusion from numerous other franchises with Goodell as the steward of these manufactured “scandals”?

    We have blantant proof of cheating with ZERO ambiguity and Goodell does nothing.

    Meanwhile, we see lie after lie towards NE to try to weaken them to improve parity and ratings, while feed the hunger of an insane jealousy of the owners with the agenda against NE.

    Been going on for a decade. Tagliabue and Rozelle NEVER let this stuff happen. EVER.

  22. Jazz rocks! says:
    October 24, 2017 at 4:12 pm
    aarons444 says:
    October 24, 2017 at 1:44 pm
    Wait till the Patriots hear about this……..

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    The Patriots are not going to go near a walkie talkie. They know the leage will twist it into something its not if they did. No one should ever think that just because they watched Mara get a free pass on something that means its safe for them to do too. To a degree that applies to the Broncos too.

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    Absolutely. Just like how we knew Deflategate was a lie the second we heard about it. NE knows what Goodell is doing.

  23. As a bonus, while using the devices, they picked up a distress call from a fishing boat floundering off the coast, and were warned by a trucker about a speed trap on the interstate.

  24. How could they wait to do this until after Rex is out of coaching? Criminal!

    “Breaker breaker, this is Sweet Feet. Can I get a sly dog on your 20, over”
    “Dammit coach we need a play call, we are down to 22 seconds!”
    “Roger that, EJ. I got smokey on my tail with a hot wedge play, over”
    “I hate you”

  25. “Hey Trev, what’s the play?”

    “Not sure, just heard some guy saying ‘That’s a big 10-4, Sugar Bear, catch ya on the rebound. Keep an eye peeled, Smokey`s got a speed trap set up on Wolf Crick Pass`…. It sounded like C.W. McCall…”.

  26. r8rsfan says:
    October 24, 2017 at 3:39 pm
    Trever Siemian = Jake Plummer
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    Sorry man, Plum was way better.

  27. aarons444 says:
    October 24, 2017 at 1:44 pm
    Wait till the Patriots hear about this……..
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    The Patriots already know that the salty league and its trolls don’t need no stinkin’ rules to dump on the Pats:
    Spygate – outgoing Tagliabue says Jets taping Pats in late 2006 was OK and would continue to be OK going forward under his new video rules for 2007, because the video was only to be used later and not “in the game” as the new rule says. So when Pats video Jets in wk1 2007 Fraudger retrospectively reinterprets the rule and says no, “in the game” means to use the info therein for ANY future game.
    Deflategate – no evidence, league lies about offered phone logs and then refuses just one key part of the testimony of the ref (Walt Anderson) about which gauge was used, that would have exonerated Brady – and anyway PSI isn’t even a rule applicable to players (it’s a $25k team fine, as per the Jets’ kicker messing with k-balls a few years earlier).

  28. Blatant patriots homers can’t deny the facts that the patriots broke a mundane rule still means that you broke it.

    Deflategate- brady likes the balls underdeflated

  29. No worries we are quickly turning into the Browns. I am not sure we will score a td this year. LOL- A dream team of former coaches AND we have 4 QB’s! Unfortunately none of them are any good. I am guessing that John is losing his mind & hoping Manning or Favre change their minds about retirement. And yet we had a gamer named Kyle Sloter who was leading QB’s in the preseason so we cut him. I am thinking we will lose our next 4 games & Brock will be starting. Sweet.

  30. wib22 says:
    October 24, 2017 at 5:18 pm
    Blatant patriots homers can’t deny the facts that the patriots broke a mundane rule still means that you broke it.

    Deflategate- brady likes the balls underdeflated
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    Technically so did the Giants with the walkie talkies … without any mechanism in place to prevent relaying calls\signals before\during\after the snap … dropping back 10 draft picks vs 2 firsts and a fourth round draft picks, $1.25 million, suspending\defaming arguably the GOAT QB and massacring basic science.

    Brady certainly does like the balls under inflated. Just ask Walt Coleman. Nevermind, we’ll just change his recollection for him anyway.

  31. Blatant patriots homers can’t deny the facts that the patriots broke a mundane rule still means that you broke it.
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    You must be new here.

    They live in an alternate reality. Something right out of Stranger Things.

  32. Since it’s not a violation, I hope the Patriots use walkies exclusively for their next game.

    Then we’ll see.

  33. aarons444 says:
    October 24, 2017 at 7:08 pm
    Blatant patriots homers can’t deny the facts that the patriots broke a mundane rule still means that you broke it.
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    You must be new here.

    They live in an alternate reality. Something right out of Stranger Things.
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    Hey i’m blatant and i resemble that remark……………Hate on

    funny funny………….Go pats

  34. Could it be the Donkeys have prohibited covert bags of cash in sketchy Denver parking lost as a means to gain an edge? Or Peytons PED hook-up has gone dry?
    Shame.. it worked so well in the past
    Donkeys*

  35. The Patriots are not going to go near a walkie talkie.

    They don’t have to…Ernie had his own comm-system installed with the stadium so he could tell Tawmy who to throw to. It works outside of the standard set-up, which is why Bill & Co don’t mind when “the communications systems aren’t working correctly, so the opponent will have to turn theirs off”.

  36. RegisHawk – You forgot the tin foil hats needed to pull all that off.

    Ernie Adams … wireless encrypted hidden radio frequency ninja. His resume continues to grow.

  37. Former backup quarterback for the Pats, Doug Flutie, claimed in the book that he uncovered something very interesting regarding Brady’s radio helmet during the 2005 season.

    Via the New York Post:

    “He was amazed that the coaches kept right on speaking to Brady past the 15-second cutoff, right up until the snap,” ­according to O’Leary.

    “The voice in Tom Brady’s helmet was explaining the exact defense he was about to face.”

    Your tin-foil hat may vary…

  38. Tin foil hat indeed. Forget the Flutie “rumor” from OLeary for a moment and think about the logistics involved with that. Somebody involved with the Patriots was smart and capable enough to isolate AND hide a specific frequency from Game Day Frequency Coordinators on a continual basis. The same people who are responsible for coordinating more than 300 radio frequencies and sweeping those same frequencies before, during and after every game.

  39. Tin foil hat indeed. So you just discount Flutie’s statement (because you don’t want to contemplate what it means), then throw up imaginary scenarios. It’s as simple as building a comm-system into the stadium when it was built (similar to the “bugging system” the Saints got tagged for a few years back). All you need then is to know what the broadcast frequency is for the helmets. If they let you bring the equipment in, you could do it from the stands yourself…and nobody “sweeps for frequencies”. The frequency is known or the sidelines/coordinator booths wouldn’t be able to send. Even if you wanted to posit the theory that they change the frequency every game, all they’d have to do is match the new one. And yes…architects, et al, are smart and capable enough to do all that, especially if it means getting a little extra not to say anything about it.

  40. Not diminishing what Flutie said at all. I’m pointing out the difference between a rumor vs some semblance of reality. The GDCs control everything about the frequencies and they do in fact sweep those frequencies before\during\after the games.

    The theories to posit are (1) the need to keep changing the frequencies in order to avoid being caught (2) the infrastructure to make that happen and the ability to continually keep it hidden and (3) the personnel in place to make that happen and the ability to continually keep said personnel hidden It’s not a question if it’s even possible. It’s if it’s plausible without the need to put on a tin foil hat to make all of that stick.

  41. There is no need for your theories. They are merely straw-men you set up to knock down.

    All that’s needed was for them to build a second system that can be set to the frequency of the helmets and doesn’t have the cutoff that the usual system has. Nobody would know unless they were listening in, as Flutie did by accident.

  42. LOL. Speaking of straw man arguments, the last time I checked I wasn’t the one concluding Flutie listened in on communications due to a second system was in place by some phantom infrastructure and personnel that somehow continually avoided the GDCs. Certainly that is one of many possible theories. Another might be the same root cause behind why the Steelers were listening to the radio show during the game. Or the cut off simply may not have working at that particular time. Do you even know if the cut off applies to the backup helmet or did OLeary investigate that as a possible explanation? The tragic flaw with the Flutie issue is this … Flutie claimed coaches were talking past the 15 second cutoff and relaying the exact defense he was about to face. How do you suppose he knew that if the helmet was on the head of Brady? Was Brady about to face the defense without his helmet? Not likely. So realistically it was the backup helmet. So again, do you even know if the cut off applies to the backup helmet or not?

  43. BTW, there’s nothing to argue. We have a rumor that Flutie picked up Brady’s helmet and heard the exact defense he was about to face. That’s it.

    The second frequency is just a theory. One of many. It’s not my fault you are choosing to latch onto the only theory that justifies your position. Feel free to disprove the backup helmet at your leisure. Keep in mind that once a game official has signaled a down to be over, the communication is cut off when the play clock reaches 15 seconds or when the ball is snapped, whichever occurs first. So be sure to explain how Flutie can hear signals being called into Brady’s helmet when he’s wearing it. 😉

  44. I don’t need to disprove anything. My theory is valid and you haven’t been able to debunk it, merely attempt to distract from the fact that you can’t debunk it.

  45. You mean OLeary’s theory, right? Regardless, I’ll play … there was second frequency in Brady’s helmet that was relaying the exact defense he was about to face. The very nature of what is being suggested is that Brady was on the field waiting for the signals. So explain how Flutie could possibly know that with the helmet on Brady’s head. And if it wasn’t on his head how exactly does the cutoff rule apply?

    Take you time.

  46. LOL. 😉 I just capitulated to your ridiculous theory as being true. I presented two questions to you to answer about that very theory you’re subscribing to. No matter how you slice it that isn’t deflection or distraction. We’re working with only your theory. So tag you’re it. Explain to us how exactly your theory is valid if the helmet was on Brady’s head. And if it wasn’t on his head, how exactly does the cutoff rule apply? Is it possible you haven’t even bothered to get past the potential illegal communications part of the theory and you don’t have anything else to add? While not entirely surprising it is a bit disappointing considering the amount of effort you’ve put in to keep the tin foil hat in just the right position.

  47. You got that right. Whatever. When you’re ready to defend your theory you just let me know. Until then you can continue to blame Patriots fans for your complete inability to do so. Ok pumpkin?

  48. I don’t need to defend my theory. It stands. Nothing proves that more than your attempts to troll and be insulting.

  49. Well let’s be clear here … your theory ‘requires’ a tin foil hat to stand on it’s own. Full stop. When I point why that is the case all you do is keep reiterating how it doesn’t without adding anything substantial as to why. So you’ll excuse me if I simply don’t take your word for it. It’s a bit disingenuous to cry foul when the only person willing to talk about your theory is me. Again, I can only surmise that is because you can’t defend it more than complacency.

  50. My theory requires little beyond the possibility that it can be done, which is eminently feasible. Carry on with your insults, though…it appears that’s all you have.

  51. Possible and plausible are two completely different concepts. I could blow up the moon but that doesn’t mean I could actually pull it off.

    As I said before, tin foil hat indeed.

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