John Dorsey declines to declare categorically that Hue Jackson will be back

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Whether he intended to or not, new Browns G.M. John Dorsey made plenty of waves on Thursday with a radio appearance in Cleveland.

Headline No. 1: The prior regime didn’t get “real players.”

Headline No. 2: Coach Hue Jackson may not definitely be coming back next year.

In Dorsey’s interview with ESPN Cleveland, the new G.M. was asked to echo the comment twice made by his boss, Jimmy Haslam, that Jackson definitely will return next season. Dorsey didn’t say “of course” or any other version of that message.

Here’s the question from Aaron Goldhammer: “There’s some reports out, and I just want to be clear about this, John, about you potentially at the end of the year, if the Browns don’t win a game, pushing for a coaching change. Are you willing to categorically say today that Hue Jackson will be the coach of the Browns in 2018?”

“I’ve always said I live in the present, and I build for the future,” Dorsey told Goldhammer. “I live in the present. Right now the sun’s out, the tarps are coming off the field, we’re practicing outside, we’re getting ready to play the Baltimore Ravens, which is a divisional game. That’s my sole focus. And then it’s also getting familiar with the whole layout and the organizational structure in terms of creating my daily routine.”

The response serves only to bolster the existing belief that Dorsey will be (or perhaps already is) making the case privately to Haslam that, in order to truly turn things around, Dorsey needs to assemble his own team — of players, executives, and coaches.

How could his “we’ll see” answer be interpreted any differently? The owner twice says Jackson will be back, and the new G.M. opts not to paint himself into that same corner. While it doesn’t mean Jackson definitely won’t be back, it’s obvious that the notion that Jackson definitely will return isn’t nearly as clear as Haslam made it out to be.

50 responses to “John Dorsey declines to declare categorically that Hue Jackson will be back

  1. We’re talking about a Head Coach who can’t win ONE SINGLE GAME with a top 10 defense.

    Maybe when Dorsey drafts a QB like Darnold or Rosen, a RB like Saquon Barkley, a Center/G like Kelly Price to go along with Big Bitonio and Joe Thomas , and a top 10 defense; Hue can make that big leap from 0-1 wins to 4-5 wins….lol, good luck with that.

  2. Haslam hurried to sign Dorsey, knowing the Giants would be interviewing him. Under these circumstances, Dorsey dictates HIS TERMS or meets with New York. Obviously the Dorsey terms are that Sashi, Depodesta, and Jackson leave and the GM hires new people.

  3. This guy should be a politician! He says he likes Hue Jackson, he says he’s going to get him the best players he can, then he hedges his bets by not backing the coach 100%. Hue, better start packing, this is exactly how politicians ease their cabinet secretaries out the door!

  4. I look at anything about staffing a new GM says kind of like pre-draft statements: Never believe a word out of their mouths, all misdirection and bs to hide the real plan from the rest of the league.

  5. I’m not a Browns fan but I feel for the Browns fans.

    Is it not fair to ask, if this guy is implying that the last GM didn’t draft “real players” then why is he holding the current coach accountable for trying to coach unreal players?

    I’m just asking questions as it seems Dorsey is talking out of both sides of his mouth. Dorsey doesn’t want to be reasonable for the past GM’s “mistakes” but at the same time he wants to hold a coach (who had no say so in personnel matters) accountable instead?

    Seems like double speak. Do as I say and not as I do.

  6. Well, at this point Haslam should let Dorsey run the show. It’s such a mess right now it can’t get any worse, can it? He’s going to have a hard enough job so he deserves to assemble whatever team he thinks is best. Some of the players on the Browns will be playing for their jobs the next few weeks. I get the feeling Dorsey will turn over at least 1/3 of that roster, if not more.

  7. The stink of unqualified Sashi Brown and Depodesta and their “we are the smartest guys in the room moneyball analytics” approach will linger for quite some time.

    Even if the Bumbling Browns get thier act together it will still take a while and you always have the “x” factor of Haslam to prevent progress at any and all costs.

  8. Is it not fair to ask, if this guy is implying that the last GM didn’t draft “real players” then why is he holding the current coach accountable for trying to coach unreal players?

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    It’s possible that Sashi Brown brought in bad players, but also possible Hue Jackson is a bad coach. In fact, it’s not only possible, it’s plainly evident. Hue Jackson makes excuses and throws everyone else under the bus while leaking to the press, mismanages games, mismanaged Kizer, brought in RGIII, and basically tells his players that they can’t win because they are not good enough/aren’t “equipped.”

    The possibility that Hue Jackson is gone after this season is great news for Browns fans.

  9. The guy has been there a week and they want to know if he will throw a guarantee the coach his job for next year! With the dysfunction in this organization he should have said “i’m not sure i’ll be back next year”.

  10. If HueJack is smart he is in Dorsey’s office saying “Just tell me what you want, I am onboard with whatever. It can’t be any worse.”

  11. thudspeth says:
    December 14, 2017 at 1:39 pm

    The guy has been there a week and they want to know if he will throw a guarantee the coach his job for next year! With the dysfunction in this organization he should have said “i’m not sure i’ll be back next year”.

    that was a great comment … everybody wants an answer about Hue’s future from a guy who is still trying to find out where all of the bathrooms are located … take a breath and have some patience Browns fans … it looks like you are in good hands for the future. Give the man some space and enjoy the difference a competent GM can make.

  12. Haslam may have given Jackson a vote of confidence to keep the existing coaching group motivated while needing to preempt the Giants from getting Dorsey by jettisoning Brown. I hope he lets Dorsey choose a new HC. If Jackson stays the Browns will be unable to attract good coaching talent given his unstable support in an organization rife with political infighting. I believe that the problem has been Jackson’s stubborn determination to fit the players into an offensive scheme instead of adjusting the offense to the skillset of the players. That’s on Jackson who oversees the offense. Of course, this is the Haslam Browns so maybe the Haslams will keep a coach who has won one game as a Cleveland head coach and is leading a team that has not won since December 24, 2016.

  13. Hue wanted to do what no NFL coach has ever done before, win in Cleveland. Trust me, NOW he’ll do anything to jump on the NFL network or Fox Sports set. Even ESPN!

  14. 49ersfury says:
    December 14, 2017 at 12:57 pm
    We’re talking about a Head Coach who can’t win ONE SINGLE GAME with a top 10 defense.

    Maybe when Dorsey drafts a QB like Darnold or Rosen, a RB like Saquon Barkley, a Center/G like Kelly Price to go along with Big Bitonio and Joe Thomas , and a top 10 defense; Hue can make that big leap from 0-1 wins to 4-5 wins….lol, good luck with that.

    Learn football. I hear it is rewarding. Top 10 defenses don’t win games with sub-25 offenses. When your QB gives up 2-4 TOs a game, usually in the red zone, and audibles to do dumb things while sitting there, you don’t win games. Hue has made his mistakes – so has every other coach in the NFL – but he has had zero to work with for two seasons due to the Sashi Brown experiment.

    Darnold is going to be a best, Rosen looks good, and getting a RB isn’t going to do anything for this team. Like I said, learn football. Get off the couch.

  15. jim699 says:
    December 14, 2017 at 1:33 pm
    Is it not fair to ask, if this guy is implying that the last GM didn’t draft “real players” then why is he holding the current coach accountable for trying to coach unreal players?

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    It’s possible that Sashi Brown brought in bad players, but also possible Hue Jackson is a bad coach. In fact, it’s not only possible, it’s plainly evident. Hue Jackson makes excuses and throws everyone else under the bus while leaking to the press, mismanages games, mismanaged Kizer, brought in RGIII, and basically tells his players that they can’t win because they are not good enough/aren’t “equipped.”

    The possibility that Hue Jackson is gone after this season is great news for Browns fans.

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    And now the truth. Hue Jackson has said every loss is on him, and has never thrown a player under the bus even though he could have and probably should have. Whether he is the coach of the future or not I will trust in Dorsey to decide, but your characterization of him is uninformed and just wrong. Watch a press conference or a game or two before you open your mouth.

  16. John Dorsey does not have to give an answer to that question. Why would he? That would be taking options away from himself and the organization. I wouldn’t declare categorically if the Browns were 11 and 2 right now.

  17. The Boss, Jimmy Haslam, hires his moneyballer and a lawyer, who tear the team down by allowing some of the teams best players to leave in free agency and replace them drafting 24 of their analytic rookies, for two years..and somehow, the new GM wants to put that on Hue Jackson, who did not have control of the roster?

    Haslam needs to tell Dorsey, Hue Jackson stays!

  18. Why does he have to deny it “Categorically”? Why can’t he just deny it completely? Or just an old fashioned, straight up denial? That’s always been good enough to satisfy my curiosity.

  19. Redzzen says;

    “Learn football. I hear it is rewarding. Top 10 defenses don’t win games with sub-25 offenses. When your QB gives up 2-4 TOs a game, usually in the red zone, and audibles to do dumb things while sitting there, you don’t win games. “
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    Top 10 defenses, special teams, and a running game will win you a lot of games when you don’t have a Top flight QB. But, I just want to see Hue win ONE GAME. If you have a Top 10 defense, stressed the importance of special teams, and used your running game to compliment your strong defense you wouldn’t be losing to teams like the Colts, Jets, and beat up Packers.

    Also you stated that drafting Barkley wouldn’t do anything. S Barkley is “Instant Offense”. Maybe if they had a S Barkley they wouldn’t be a “sub 25 Offense”…

    Some fans just buy into this “you need a Great QB to win. You don’t need a great QB to beat teams like the Colts and the Jets. You just need to be elite in game management, situational football, complimentary football, and special teams. You know, you NEED TO COACH.

    If you need a Hall of Fame QB to win regular season games with a good defense then you’re not a good coach. You need a Hall of Fame QB to compensate for your lack of coaching ability.

    Belichick doesn’t need Brady to win regular season games. Hes gone 11-5 with Matt Cassell and Vinny Testeverde.

    Bill Walsh didn’t need Joe Montana to win regular season games. He’s won games with QBs like Jeff Kemp….

    They just need them to win playoff games and Super Bowls when they’re up against other elite QBs. They can win regular season games off their coaching acumen..Hue can’t. If he could he wouldn’t have had to mortgage the Raiders’ future to trade for Carson Palmer in a panic move…

  20. I neither like nor hate the Browns but I do know that Hue Jackson is a horrible HC and also mentally unstable. So if the Browns want to move forward, Jackson needs to be jettisoned. If Haslam can veto Dorsey from making this sensible decision then I don’t think that Dorsey should’ve taken the GM job in the first place.

  21. Every coach who has been fired at the end of a year has always had a vote of confidence from the ownership. Dorsey is no dummy; he is looking at a very young roster floundering through games and a well-traveled leathery head coach who has won nothing more than the war with Sashi Brown. Since Dorsey is not interested in palace intrigues, I’m sure he’s more admiring of the young roster playing their best under a coach who doesn’t know anything but back-biting gossip. Youth can be trained; losing head coaches don’t know any better. But knowing the unstable Browns’ fans, half-way through training camp they’ll start chanting “Dump Dorsey”.

  22. That’s smart because he doesn’t know what head coaching candidates will be available.

  23. No GM with a brain would take a job where he was not allowed to fire/hire his own coaches. But, I can see where a guy who has a record of 1-28 would quite tempting to build a team round.

  24. I hope those field tarps were covering new alligator pits, because otherwise you are going to have problems with the Ravens regardless of who the coach is.

  25. Of course Hue Jackson is GONE! The only reason they haven’t fired him already is there isn’t one qualified assistant coach to finish the season with. Jackson will be canned within 24 hours after the last game of the season.

  26. I feel bad for the Cleveland fans. Dorsey isn’t a proven scout. He’s just the name Ron Wolf spits out when one of the owners call him. The only way to judge who the best scouts are is to look at their scouting reports over the last ten years. It’s amazingly stupid that nobody does this. It would be very easy to see who the good scouts are. Owners need to stop listening to all the B.S. artists, who just want to promote their own guys.

  27. For him to not even wait to interview with a much more stable organization like the Giants…who wanted to interview him….you have to believe that the Browns offered Dorsey the keys to the kingdom. I dont think Hue has a prayer of remaining, even if the Browns closed out the season 3-0 (especially then because it would likely cost the Browns the 1st pick and then Dorsey would really snap).

  28. And the evaluation process has so wisely begun. Dorsey has just set himself up to see if the players he believes should remain with the team are willing to fight for Jackson’s job and to what extent.

  29. Hue was asked to win after having a bad team drop its best QB best Wr best DB two years in a row. 100 in cap space is 100 in players they could afford but don’t have.

  30. There are plenty of guys out there who are great coordinators, but just suck as head coaches. Hue Jackson is one of them.

    Hue has a place in this league, and I think can run an offense and run it well if that is his sole focus. But that is his ceiling.

  31. For him to not even wait to interview with a much more stable organization like the Giants…who wanted to interview him….you have to believe that the Browns offered Dorsey the keys to the kingdom. I dont think Hue has a prayer of remaining, even if the Browns closed out the season 3-0 (especially then because it would likely cost the Browns the 1st pick and then Dorsey would really snap).

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    The Browns are actually a very, very attractive job for a GM who knows what he is doing. The draft capital alone that Cleveland has puts Dorsey ahead of the 8-ball vs. any other team in the draft next spring. And if you are going to rebuild the right way, the draft is the way to do it.

  32. Cleveland should hire Jim Harbaugh away from Michigan. He can turn this club around faster than you can say “Who has got it better than us? Nobody.”

  33. It should be obvious, but for God’s sake, will you give him a minute? He’s barely settled into his new chair and people are wondering why Hue hasn’t been fired and had the hounds released on him.

  34. Why would any GM that is worth his weight give an 0-13 coach with 3 games left in the season a guaranteed seal of approval for returning? A big motivator for players to play well and win is the possibility looming that one’s job hangs in the balance. I’m confident he’ll be back but that’s just not something that a new GM needs to come in and guarantee at this point of the season.

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