John Dorsey: Previous regime didn’t get “real players”

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Browns General Manager John Dorsey has been on the job for less than a week, but that’s been enough time for him to draw some conclusions on the roster left behind by his predecessor at the top of the Browns personnel department.

Sashi Brown’s tenure was marked by moves that accumulated a lot of draft picks while the Browns kept losing games on the field, which led to criticism of the personnel department’s ability to evaluate players and a steady flow of reports about tension between Brown’s group and head coach Hue Jackson. During an appearance on WKNR 850 with Aaron Goldhammer on Thursday, Dorsey put himself squarely on the side of those who feel that Brown’s moves were the root of the problems the last two years.

Dorsey said he’ll do his “darnedest” to get Jackson the players he needs while making it clear he thinks such players are in short supply in Cleveland.

“You know what? You’ve got to get a guy like that players,” Dorsey said, via Cleveland.com. “And you know what? I’ll come straight out with it. The guys who were here before, that system, they didn’t get real players.”

That may not sit well with some of the current Browns players, but it’s hard to make a compelling alternative argument about an 0-13 team that won just one game last season. The bright side for Dorsey is that Brown left him with plenty of draft picks to use on real players and Dorsey will get a chance to start putting them to use in a few months.

55 responses to “John Dorsey: Previous regime didn’t get “real players”

  1. dorsey is right. and so what if some of the current players take offense. step your game up or be cut in the offseason. we don’t have time to play around with average-at-best talent.

  2. No they didnt and did not keep the ones that could play, about 20 of them starting or playing significant roles for other teams, Didnt KC sign OT Schwartz…you got to keep your own players if they are worth a damn….especially if they are young…..

  3. Nor did any of the other previous regimes, except for Mike Lombardi, who was the best thing they ever had there, he fleeced Grigson, and then he mysteriously got fired for it.

    Hilarious.

    Lombardi would have tried to implement Belichick GM work, and they fired him. Can’t be made up.

    Can’t.

    But, this Dorsey character has no real successes, so I don’t get why they wanted him so bad. He is a Thompson protege, but neither Thompson nor Dorsey have been very good at drafting for D.

    Proof is in the pudding. If you seriously can’t get a D after like 7 or 8 years, there is no way you should still be employed.

  4. The one player they really need is a quarterback. They showed last week that they’re pretty much the same team as the Packers without Aaron Rodgers, which makes them one of the worst teams in NFL history. Just find a Hall of Fame quarterback and your problems are solved. Unless he gets hurt.

  5. Cap hell is coming to Cleveland. Dorsey will get you talent and pay heavily for it. That’s a better situation than the one Cleveland has been in for a long time, though. I’m rooting for them.

  6. Lots of picks and lots of cash says Dorsey will have ample opportunity to get genuine non imitation ‘real’ players. The question is twofold: will he choose the right ones and will Haslam let him? The proof is in the pudding.

  7. jjackwagon says:
    December 14, 2017 at 11:47 am
    Still surprised that Dorsey took this job when there will be better ones open in a few weeks.

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    You want your legacy to shine? Get yoyrself out down as being the guy that got the Browns to be good. The only person that has come close to that in decades was really Belichick, and he got interrupted before he could finish because…..well thats just how things always seem to work over there.

  8. jjackwagon says:
    December 14, 2017 at 11:47 am

    Still surprised that Dorsey took this job when there will be better ones open in a few weeks.
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    IF, and it’s a big IF, Haslam is serious about winning then there may not be a better job. The Browns are loaded up with picks and according to most reports will have @ $100M in cap space.

  9. Could of had Jimmy Garopolo for the second first roundd picket the worst the first second round pick.Totally blown opportunity.

  10. I got savaged by CLE fans when I warned them horing a guy with ZERO football experience would be a disaster.

    How’d that work out?

    Dorsey is great talent evaluator and bad office manager. Keep a good assistant around him to run the managerial stuff, keep him focused on talent, and I see a big improvement coming for the Browns in their future.

  11. The Browns have a lot of high draft picks, a lot of cash, and a lot of cap room. Dorsey had better come through. If he can, you’ll see the franchise turn around in a hurry. (I think most people would like to see that happen.) And if not, well…the factory of sadness will continue as usual.

  12. Start by getting rid of Hue, he’s one of the worst coaches we ever had. There were worse teams in last ten years that won at least 4 to 5 games !!!

  13. I’m not sure about publicly throwing the old GM under the bus when you have all of his players on your team. Especially mid-season.

    I wasn’t a fan of a lot of the Browns draft picks. But they do have the Texans number 1 next year so all is not lost. They have a ton of assets to turn things around.

  14. Dumb move to fire Sashi Brown so quick. He was following the Philidelphia 76ers ‘The Process’ gameplan and stockpiling top picks. Winning was never the short-term goal, as evidenced by hiring an incompetent Hue Jackson as the HC.

  15. kcchefs58 says:
    December 14, 2017 at 11:55 am
    Cap hell is coming to Cleveland. Dorsey will get you talent and pay heavily for it. That’s a better situation than the one Cleveland has been in for a long time, though. I’m rooting for them.
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    Because Brown fans lead all arguments with…..’but how much cap space Do YOU have??’

  16. Haslam makes Jerry Jones look like a hands-off delegator. Dorsey is just reading a script provided to him.

  17. kcchefs58 says:
    December 14, 2017 at 11:55 am

    Cap hell is coming to Cleveland. Dorsey will get you talent and pay heavily for it.
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    They have a whole team worth of unused salary cap, so they should be okay for a while.

  18. 100 million in cap space, 2 top 6 picks this year including many additional picks from trades. This guy better produce cuz nobody in the history of the league has had this many resources taking over.

    He has NO excuses.

  19. Dorsey is right. Look no further than the QBs. They had a shot at 2 franchise QBs (Wentz and Watson), passed, and over-drafted Kizer in the second round when his own college coach publicly said he wasn’t ready for the NFL. Kizer leads the NFL in interceptions and is dead last in passer rating. The receiving core is a joke. Njoku is not returning 1st round value. The defense is okay. Can’t blame the GM for Garrett getting hurt, but Peppers isn’t looking like a good pick. Fire Jackson and start over.

  20. When you hire Reid’s next protege Naggy, KCs OC, and trade for Alex Smith, y’all are going to be the AFC of the Eagles, but you’ll have to wait until 2020 as Smith will only start the car, your franchise QB from the 2019 draft will take you there.

  21. Its not hard for Dorsey to succeed when your team is 0-26 in the first 13 games of each of the last two seasons.

    Only one place to go .. 1-26

  22. factschecker says:
    December 14, 2017 at 11:53 am
    Real players like the 2013-2016 Kansas City Chiefs dynasty got?

    Those were the days.
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    How many body parts do you think the average Cleveland fan would gladly sacrifice for a record half as good as the Chiefs during the Dorsey years?

  23. factschecker says:
    December 14, 2017 at 11:53 am
    Real players like the 2013-2016 Kansas City Chiefs dynasty got?

    Those were the days.

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    LOL

    Exactly. Great minds think alike. I think it’s funny how some of these supposed protege GMs get some kind of hype in the press because they make friends with the press, and then all of a sudden, people are brainwashed into thinking that person is good.

    How is Ted Thompson or Ozzie Newsome, for example, still employed after their respective failures now for so long?

    Huge, fundamental GM failures that they’ve essentially masked.

  24. lukedunphysscienceproject says:
    December 14, 2017 at 3:25 pm
    factschecker says:
    December 14, 2017 at 11:53 am
    Real players like the 2013-2016 Kansas City Chiefs dynasty got?

    Those were the days.
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    How many body parts do you think the average Cleveland fan would gladly sacrifice for a record half as good as the Chiefs during the Dorsey years?

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    Sort of the point….Who is Dorsey though. He inherited Piolo’s good work and then KC has done nothing of note since he came on board 3 years ago.

    3 years isn’t even enough to really show a GM record since it takes about 3 years to lay a true foundation to try to get to the playoffs, and hope to get to a SB.

  25. kwjsb says:
    December 14, 2017 at 3:00 pm
    Sashi’s 1st mistake was to think his 5 year plan actually had 5 years ….

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    3 to lay the groundwork and I am not even sure he got that. But, when you’re drafting Manziel and overpaying free agents that have no business taking the Browns money knowing their position, that’s not good.

    Hiring and firing every 2 years, though, is a sign of a bad owner.

    Think Woody Johnson and the Jets.

  26. Dorsey is so full of it. He sounds like a complete moron. Put a decent QB on the Browns and they’re a 10-6 team immediately. They have a lot of good players. Dorsey won’t last 2 years in Cleveland.

  27. Gotta give the Cleveland players, especially their veteran leadership, credit for handling historically awful circumstances with consummate professionalism. Most other teams would have packed it in, but these guys are still battling and playing with a high level of effort every Sunday despite a unprecedented vicious cycle of suck on the field and the shenanigans of their coach and FO.

    That said, as masochistic for Cleveland fans as this may sound, the one hope for the Browns future, however faint under Haslam, is an 0-16 record.

    I could care less about roster construction, pre-season expectations, draft picks, you name it – no coach or GM should survive that black mark, especially Hue Jackson. If 0-16 happens, I’d be hard pressed to think that Jimmy Haslam’s hand wouldn’t be forced when it comes to firing Hue.

    Otherwise, hello cap hell and AJ McCarron, Browns!!

  28. tylawspick6 says:
    December 14, 2017 at 3:42 pm

    Sort of the point….Who is Dorsey though. He inherited Piolo’s good work and then KC has done nothing of note since he came on board 3 years ago.
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    Pioli’s good work? You’re kidding, right? The Scott Pioli regime in KC was overall an unmitigated disaster.

    Dorsey brought quick improvement and results. He is one of the best personnel guys around. Not so much on the financial side, so the Browns would be well advised to keep a handle on that side of things. Dorsey will absolutely improve the overall talent level of the players. Provided solid coaching is in place, the Browns will get lots better in short order.

  29. I get all the draft picks , but at some point you have to pick some players that actually are good. If Haslam will leave Dorsey alone, he will get a top QB not only in the draft ( 2 picks say #1 AND #4 or #5 via Houston) and even trade some picks for a good vet ie Cousins or Smith or ? The few good players on the Browns like Joe Thomas know he’s right.

  30. In Teddy We Trust says:
    December 14, 2017 at 11:54 am

    The one player they really need is a quarterback. They showed last week that they’re pretty much the same team as the Packers without Aaron Rodgers, which makes them one of the worst teams in NFL history. Just find a Hall of Fame quarterback and your problems are solved. Unless he gets hurt.
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    Your fear is showing again… and I love it.

  31. blogatron2000 says:
    December 14, 2017 at 5:29 pm
    tylawspick6 says:
    December 14, 2017 at 3:42 pm

    Sort of the point….Who is Dorsey though. He inherited Piolo’s good work and then KC has done nothing of note since he came on board 3 years ago.
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    Pioli’s good work? You’re kidding, right? The Scott Pioli regime in KC was overall an unmitigated disaster.

    Dorsey brought quick improvement and results. He is one of the best personnel guys around. Not so much on the financial side, so the Browns would be well advised to keep a handle on that side of things. Dorsey will absolutely improve the overall talent level of the players. Provided solid coaching is in place, the Browns will get lots better in short order.

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    absolutely his good work. carl peterson left him an absolute mess. his worst move was being stuck to find a coach and settling on awful todd haley.

    you chiefs fans are clueless

  32. Dorsey knows what he’s doing on the talent side. Let someone else take care of the business part. I wouldn’t doubt you see him lure some veteran FA’s and he will use those draft picks to get some weapons on offense and fill in holes on both sides. Give it a couple years. He’s starting from scratch. Browns fans are getting sick of hearing that but the owner got it right for once and made a very good choice with John Dorsey. Be patient.

  33. You would think an experienced professional like Dorsey would simply go about doing his job well, and would not feel the need to publicly trash his predecessor and announce that all of his employees – the guys currently on your roster who see you every day – aren’t real football players.

    He sounds petty and juvenile, but if his goal was to destroy whatever moral is left in that building he’s off to a great start.

  34. walker1191 says:
    Dorsey would simply go about doing his job well, and would not feel the need to publicly trash his predecessor.
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    You obviously don't know John Dorsey. I don't think the intent was to trash anyone. He simply told the Browns fans the truth. And maybe the Browns fans can be reinvigorated knowing their new GM actually knows football talent, regardless of how he chooses to express it. He doesn't mince words. He's a Ron Wolf disciple.

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