Coughlin-Belichick history looms over AFC title game

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The Patriots under Bill Belichick have lost twice in the Super Bowl. Both losses came to teams coached by Tom Coughlin.

Coughlin is now in Jacksonville. Even though he’s not the coach, Coughlin is in position to give coach Doug Marrone all the advice he needs for preparing to deal with the Patriots.

Defensively, the Jaguars have the firepower to do what the Giants did to Brady. It starts with generating pressure on him, primarily up the middle. This disrupts his ability to glide through, up, and around the pocket. Also, if he’s hit enough early in the game, Brady tends to start looking down at the rush instead of down the field to his receivers.

Given that his brain has become a computer loaded with 18 years of instantly-accessible pre-snap looks, zone coverage won’t work over the full course of a game. The Jaguars will need to use man-to-man coverage, primarily on receiver Brandin Cooks and tight end Rob Gronkowski. If they can pull it off, it will be harder for Brady to find an open receiver in whatever time he has to make a throw.

But even with the pass rush necessary to rattle Brady in Super Bowls XLII and XLVI, the Giants needed clutch offensive performances from quarterback Eli Manning. Can they count on the same from Blake Bortles?

Based on how he performed in Pittsburgh, the answer is, well, definitely maybe. Which isn’t bad for a quarterback who has been nationally maligned all year, several of his performances notwithstanding. Bortles has improved this year, and no matter how hard anyone tries to diminish his effort from Sunday, he made the right throws at the right times to help the Jaguars build a lead and, more importantly, to hold the lead when the Steelers seemed to be destined to mount a comeback.

Of course, it’s one thing to beat the Patriots on a neutral site. Coughlin and the Jaguars will have to do what few have done in the past generation: Win in New England in the postseason.

Given that the Patriots hold a long-term lease in the collective heads of the Steelers, and in light of the fact that the Jaguars are possibly too young to even realize that they should be intimated, maybe this won’t be the easy win that Vegas already envisions it to be, via an opening line of nearly 10 points. Maybe the Jaguars all along have had a better chance than Pittsburgh of beating the Patriots in their own building.

53 responses to “Coughlin-Belichick history looms over AFC title game

  1. 3 years ago when the Pats beat the Ravens in the playoffs after being down by 14 points twice against the best passing rushing defense in the NFL Brady was getting Rid of the ball in less than 3 seconds…..

    With no Gronk.

  2. You can’t go back to 2012 and the Patriots run a different offense now. A hungry and focused Steelers team still would have been a bigger threat to the Patriots. Pittsburgh just focused on the Patriots a week to early.

  3. It is unclear how anything that happened five years ago has any relevance to the upcoming game. Perhaps Coughlin will be on the practice field this week teaching the Jags receivers how to catch balls against their helmets?

  4. sigbouncer says:
    January 14, 2018 at 11:23 pm

    Of the Saints didn’t blow it today we would have:

    Belichick
    Coughlin
    Zimmer
    Payton

    Common denominator = Bill Parcells

    _________________________________________________________________

    Should have read 4 of the last 5 teams in the playoffs had the Parcells coaching tree/connection.

  5. Jags can be them…theyre not invisible. I can’t see a 40 yr old QB withstanding pass rush pressure all game.

  6. TheNaturalMevs says:
    January 14, 2018 at 11:28 pm

    The NFL is as scripted as wrestling. Jags will win in an “upset” wink wink, nod nod.
    —–
    After the Saints non tackle to secure a win to the NFC C’ship game, many are wondering.

  7. I believe we will see a TON of the Pats no huddle fast passed offense & wear the Jags D out….don’t let them substitute the D linemen & keep them fresh…. get up fast & put the Jags in the hole & make them one dimensional……
    Keep a spy on Bortals & get after him!!!
    Pats 38-20

  8. No but that defense will definitely hit Brady a lot and disrupt his timing. The offense is an unknown could get any version of Blake Bortles. Coughlin did a good job in building the team though.

  9. Last time I checked, Tom Coughlin is NOT the coach of the Jags. Doug Marrone, of the barely .500 Doug Marrone’s is. After Bortle looks completely confused and Doug Marrone throws up in his shoes, it’s over.

    The Jags feel good story ends in Foxboro.

    Patriots 31-17 after a late garbage time TD by the Jags

  10. I just looked at the ages of the remaining QBs contenders. Brady is an anomaly and a phenomenon. All three are in their twenties. Imagine if he goes to the SB and wins again. He truly is the GOAT.

  11. Thank goodness we have some fresh blood going in to take on the Pats. I’m tired of watching the Steelers get smoked over and over again. They’ll be taking notes on the success the Jaguars have in hopes of having a chance against the Pats next year. In particular, Mike What’s-His-Name should take plenty of notes.

  12. kissbillsrings says:
    January 14, 2018 at 11:33 pm
    I believe we will see a TON of the Pats no huddle fast passed offense & wear the Jags D out….don’t let them substitute the D linemen & keep them fresh…. get up fast & put the Jags in the hole & make them one dimensional……
    Keep a spy on Bortals & get after him!!!
    Pats 38-20

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  13. I expect the Jags will put up a fight longer than the Titans did, but the result will be the same. New England’s defense is playing very well. As long as Dion Lewis is doing his thing, the offense will be fine.

  14. Of the Saints didn’t blow it today we would have:

    Belichick
    Coughlin
    Zimmer
    Payton

    Common denominator = Bill Parcells
    —————————

    I’m sorry my friend, but the Vikings and Saints played today, so you can’t possibly have both Zimmer and Payton. One was eliminated (Payton)

    As it stands, the list goes:
    Belichick
    Coughlin
    Zimmer
    Doug Pederson

    Zimmer and Payton cannot both be listed this season as finalists

  15. Jags have to keep Gronk and Cooks under man-to-man. And then the Pats will have Lewis, White, Burkhead as a 3 headed monster to give the Jags-D fit. With additionally drop-in od ‘Dola in the mix in his PO form. (They keep him for a reason on the roster in the regular season).
    On the Defensive side they have to keep a spy oon Bortles al game.

    I hoped for this matchup during yesterday’s game, but with the time advancing I kept wondering if this was the right fit for the Pats. As for the Steelers we are already in their heads…

  16. magnumpimustache says:
    January 14, 2018 at 11:21 pm
    3 years ago when the Pats beat the Ravens in the playoffs after being down by 14 points twice against the best passing rushing defense in the NFL Brady was getting Rid of the ball in less than 3 seconds…..

    With no Gronk.
    ————————————————
    So let’s review some history then.
    2009 when Flacco only attempted 10 passes, Ray Rice gave the Pats the elevator treatment in a blow-out in NE. The Pats defense actually had talent back then, too. Imagine what Leonard is going to do to this sorry bunch of overachievers. Det is going to look so foolish for hiring that clown of a DC.

  17. I think the word you’re looking for in that last paragraph is “intimidated”.

    And no. They aren’t. They recognize the challenge of trying to dethrone the king, but believe in themselves and each other.

    #stealtheshow

  18. The Pats are 4-1 in the playoffs against the Jags (the one being a Pete Carroll loss), including an AFC Championship game win against Coughlin’s Jags. It doesn’t matter. Neither do the Giants games. This will be a tough game. The Pats will need to hold them to FG’s. Points are likely to be at a premium. They’ll have to be patient and not force things, otherwise there will be turnovers. They only need to win by 1 point. Don’t let ego get in the way and allow a close game to put pressure on themselves. Be smart, tough, efficient and consistent. Be The Patriots.

  19. One thing that has to be noted about the Jags defense and it is this: Coughlin has taught them to hold the jerseys and arms of the other teams receivers so as to allow the DB’s to stay in tight coverage, and disrupt passes. This is what the Giants did in combination with the pass rush to slow the Pats offense down. There were numerous displays of this in the game against Pittsburgh. To their credit, the Pittsburgh receivers came up with some spectacular grabs, but the lack of flags on the Jags DB’s concerns me. They dared the refs to throw the flags, but they looked the other way. I expect more of the same next weekend until and unless the cost is more than the benefit.

  20. Jacksonville matches up pretty well with NE. They can play press coverage on the outside and bracket Gronkowski. The Jags DB’s are nasty and can give the Pats smaller WR’s trouble at the line of scrimmage. If they can get Brady off his spot with their D-line they can keep the Pats O in check.
    On O the Jags are going to need a monster game from Fournette.

    Don’t know if they’ll win but I don’t see the Jags getting blown out.

  21. “Given that the Patriots hold a long-term lease in the collective heads of the Steelers, and in light of the fact that the Jaguars are possibly too young to even realize that they should be intimated, maybe this won’t be the easy win that Vegas already envisions it to be, via an opening line of nearly 10 points. Maybe the Jaguars all along have had a better chance than Pittsburgh of beating the Patriots in their own building.”

    Aside from the fact the last sentance wont say ‘maybe’ this is probably pretty close to how Belichick will open the monday morning meeting. Then he will mention how well Coughlin has had teams prepared to face the Patriots in the past before he segues into all the things they did not do well, or at least not well enough, against Tennssee. That right there is a big difference from the coach they faced last week.

  22. And the last time the jaqs played in the conference championship they were coached by Coughlin and got blown out.

    See? Everyone can can come up with a silly meaningless history lesson without a lot of effort…..

  23. I think people are underestimating how good the Pats Defense has become. Most of the team is healthy, and many players are back to 100%. Pittsburgh has a great offense, but their D is nowhere near as good as the Pats right now. If Pittsburgh scored 42 points on the Jags, NE can do the same, but they won’t give up 45 on the defensive side of the ball. Also, the Jags matched up very well with the Steelers and beat them twice because of it. I’m not so sure they will have the same advantage against the Pats. The Trump card: BB is twice the coach Tomlin is.

  24. Thankfully, CBS does not have the Super Bowl. They can turn off the nonsense we saw in the 1st half of that Titans game. As long as they let the teams play, Cheatin’ Tommy will feel like he’s in 2007 and 2011 all over again with that front four and the guys behind them. The exact team to knock his block off and have him sitting on the field alone. Crying.

    Again.

  25. Ripcord56 says:
    January 15, 2018 at 7:35 am
    I think people are underestimating how good the Pats Defense has become. Most of the team is healthy, and many players are back to 100%. Pittsburgh has a great offense, but their D is nowhere near as good as the Pats right now. If Pittsburgh scored 42 points on the Jags, NE can do the same, but they won’t give up 45 on the defensive side of the ball. Also, the Jags matched up very well with the Steelers and beat them twice because of it. I’m not so sure they will have the same advantage against the Pats. The Trump card: BB is twice the coach Tomlin is.
    ————-

    That’s not how football works, pal. There are no transitive properties in football. The Steelers scored nine points the first time. The truth about the Steelers vs. Jaguars defense is the median between those 9 and 42. At best. NE does not have Antonio Brown, for one. Nor do they have Le’Veon Bell or anyone like Martavis Bryant. 21 of the Steelers points came on fluke plays.

    Brady will be looking like he did against the Giants in previous Super Bowls when he faces a front four similar to what he had to deal with on those Giants teams.

    Only way NE wins is if they have the same officiating they’ve had in half their games thus far. And given that CBS’ ratings end after this game, with no Super Bowl ahead, we can only HOPE they will let the teams play and not handicap it for the Patriots for ONCE.

  26. Ripcord56 says:
    January 15, 2018 at 7:35 am
    I think people are underestimating how good the Pats Defense has become.

    __________________________________________________________________________________________

    You do realize that they always have a light weight schedule in the AFC and the AFC north.

  27. dansardo says:
    January 15, 2018 at 7:20 am
    And the last time the jaqs played in the conference championship they were coached by Coughlin and got blown out.

    See? Everyone can can come up with a silly meaningless history lesson without a lot of effort…..
    ————–

    Jags didn’t have the run game and defense then that they have now.

    You shook, as you should be.

  28. lanman11 says:
    January 15, 2018 at 5:22 am
    One thing that has to be noted about the Jags defense and it is this: Coughlin has taught them to hold the jerseys and arms of the other teams receivers so as to allow the DB’s to stay in tight coverage, and disrupt passes. This is what the Giants did in combination with the pass rush to slow the Pats offense down. There were numerous displays of this in the game against Pittsburgh. To their credit, the Pittsburgh receivers came up with some spectacular grabs, but the lack of flags on the Jags DB’s concerns me. They dared the refs to throw the flags, but they looked the other way. I expect more of the same next weekend until and unless the cost is more than the benefit.
    ————–

    No mention of all the holding the Patriots offensive line is allowed to get away with, which leads to most of the big plays the Patriots get, though, huh? Or Gronkowski’s blatant push offs? Or the pick plays they get away with? Or the Patriots’ OWN defensive backs doing exactly what you are talking about? ESPECIALLY Butler?

  29. RE LEE says:
    January 14, 2018 at 11:43 pm
    I just looked at the ages of the remaining QBs contenders. Brady is an anomaly and a phenomenon. All three are in their twenties. Imagine if he goes to the SB and wins again. He truly is the GOAT.
    ———-

    Just as LeBron James never can be, despite accolades and stats, nor can Brady. Not with two losses to Eli Manning-led teams, he ain’t.

  30. I just know the Patriots would be a 2 win team if it wasn’t for refs, luck or deflating footballs. Waaaaah! :’( :’( :’(

  31. Mr. Wright 212 says:
    January 15, 2018 at 8:13 am
    Ripcord56 says:
    January 15, 2018 at 7:35 am
    I think people are underestimating how good the Pats Defense has become. Most of the team is healthy, and many players are back to 100%. Pittsburgh has a great offense, but their D is nowhere near as good as the Pats right now. If Pittsburgh scored 42 points on the Jags, NE can do the same, but they won’t give up 45 on the defensive side of the ball. Also, the Jags matched up very well with the Steelers and beat them twice because of it. I’m not so sure they will have the same advantage against the Pats. The Trump card: BB is twice the coach Tomlin is.
    ————-

    That’s not how football works, pal. There are no transitive properties in football. The Steelers scored nine points the first time. The truth about the Steelers vs. Jaguars defense is the median between those 9 and 42. At best. NE does not have Antonio Brown, for one. Nor do they have Le’Veon Bell or anyone like Martavis Bryant. 21 of the Steelers points came on fluke plays.

    Brady will be looking like he did against the Giants in previous Super Bowls when he faces a front four similar to what he had to deal with on those Giants teams.
    ——
    First you say there’s no transitive properties in football and then you contradict yourself with the line about the Giants in the very next paragraph.

    Hilarious.

  32. People actually think a 71 year old Jags executive who is not even coach has any relevance whatsoever to the outcome of this game.

    Comical.

  33. r. Wright 212 says:
    January 15, 2018 at 8:48 am
    RE LEE says:
    January 14, 2018 at 11:43 pm
    I just looked at the ages of the remaining QBs contenders. Brady is an anomaly and a phenomenon. All three are in their twenties. Imagine if he goes to the SB and wins again. He truly is the GOAT.
    ———-

    Just as LeBron James never can be, despite accolades and stats, nor can Brady. Not with two losses to Eli Manning-led teams, he ain’t.
    —-

    Translation: :’(

  34. The only “Coughlin-Belichick history” Looming is in the mind of reporters and click baiters. Coughlin’s not the Head Coach or even the GM- the Jags were headed talent and scheme wise to being this type of team long before Coughlin got there. Coughlin did have some effect on this team but lets not overblow this- in reality Coughlin had 1-1/2 to 2-1/2 good seasons as a Head Coach. If not for Eli getting lucky in one, and being clutch in another SB, Coughlin would be a minor footnote amongst head coaches, and the notion of him being at Bill B’s level is just silly.

    I guess you have to put Kubiak and John Fox as “Bellichick Killers” too right?

    Jags have a great D, can certainly win this game, but let’s not pretend it’s on Coughlin.

  35. askeddie11 says:
    January 15, 2018 at 8:42 am

    You do realize that they always have a light weight schedule in the AFC and the AFC north.
    ________________________________________

    You don’t realize the Pats aren’t in the charmin soft AFC North

  36. Ripcord56 says:
    January 15, 2018 at 7:35 am
    I think people are underestimating how good the Pats Defense has become. Most of the team is healthy, and many players are back to 100%. Pittsburgh has a great offense, but their D is nowhere near as good as the Pats right now. If Pittsburgh scored 42 points on the Jags, NE can do the same, but they won’t give up 45 on the defensive side of the ball. Also, the Jags matched up very well with the Steelers and beat them twice because of it. I’m not so sure they will have the same advantage against the Pats. The Trump card: BB is twice the coach Tomlin is.

    —-

    I expect plenty of screens and darts to the middle just like what was very effective against the LOB in the Super Bowl. Jimmy Garoppolo beat the Jaguars in the same way with an inferior team to ours.

    As well as using Lewis and company out of the backfield. Our running game is far superior to what we had in that Super Bowl as well. I think the Jags run defense is ordinary so there are matchups to exploit there too.

  37. Of the Saints didn’t blow it today we would have:

    Belichick
    Coughlin
    Zimmer
    Payton

    Common denominator = Bill Parcells

    ——————–

    I liked Parcells, and I think he was great for the league. But remember his stints with the Cowboys and Dolphins?

    The truth is, Parcells never won anything of consequence without Belichick.

    You might look down the Belichick coaching, team management and QB tree too, if you want to see the breadth of Belichick’s influence.

  38. The last time “Kryptonite” Coughlin’s Giants played the Pats? – 2015 in NY which the Giants lost 26-27. And the last time Coughlin played an AFCCG in Foxboro (as HC of the Jags) the Jags lost 20-6. But for an insanely lucky crazy helmet catch from a blindly thrown desperate free-for-all (from an Eli getting buried by the Pats D) thrown into the crowded middle of the field, there’d be no supposed “kryptonite”. That’s not to say the Jags can’t win next Sunday, but if they do it won’t be because of any “kryptonite”.

  39. fcoprado says:
    January 14, 2018 at 11:30 pm

    Jags can be them…theyre not invisible. I can’t see a 40 yr old QB withstanding pass rush pressure all game.

    Wow! I hope every other NFL coach reads your comment – they clearly never though of this!

  40. nflfan12blog says:
    January 15, 2018 at 8:59 am

    I guess you have to put Kubiak and John Fox as “Bellichick Killers” too right?

    ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    It’s very well known that Mike Shanahan (Kubiak) offenses are a Bill Belichick defenses kryptonite.

  41. tim8450 says:
    January 15, 2018 at 9:56 am

    I liked Parcells, and I think he was great for the league. But remember his stints with the Cowboys and Dolphins?

    The truth is, Parcells never won anything of consequence without Belichick.

    ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Did Belichick choose to go with Jeff Hostetler over Phil Simms in the ’90 Super Bowl winning team? No, I didn’t think so. Parcells did.

    Did Belichick come up with the brilliant strategy of grinding Ottis Anderson in route to a 14 play 75 yard clock eating Super Bowl record (9:29 of time used) 3rd quarter drive to slow the high powered Bills offense in route to a Super Bowl win? No, Parcells did.

    And it’s not on Parcells that Romo lost the snap in what should have been a Dallas playoff win over Seattle. Did you happen to see that Cowboys 2-14 roster Parcells took over? Quincy Carter, Troy Hambrick???

    Seriously, the “Belichick is solely responsible for Parcells success” is a huge load of crap. Parcells coached those teams, Parcells made those hires and player decisions. Period.

  42. No mention of the 1996 AFC Championship? That was BB vs Coughlin as well and the BB coached defense bottled up the Brunell led offense to a 20-6 win by Pats.

  43. Mr. Wright 212 says:

    January 15, 2018 at 8:48 am

    Just as LeBron James never can be, despite accolades and stats, nor can Brady. Not with two losses to Eli Manning-led teams, he ain’t.

    =================================================

    LeBron is 3-5 in the Finals while Brady is 5-2 and has the record for most wins. See the difference?

  44. Mr. Wright 212 says:

    January 15, 2018 at 8:48 am

    Just as LeBron James never can be, despite accolades and stats, nor can Brady. Not with two losses to Eli Manning-led teams, he ain’t
    _____________________________

    So…do you define the greatest as someone who is perfect?
    Or…are you implying that Eli is better than Brady?

  45. Hey smart guy, transitive property has nothing to do with this nonsense you continue to reply with. The bottom line is that the Jaguars defense is constructed similarly to the Giants defense that always gave Cheatin’ Tommy problems. Bringing up 2015, the worst Giants defense of all time, is a joke.

    Way to deflect.

  46. Mr. Wright 212 says:
    January 15, 2018 at 2:43 pm
    Hey smart guy, transitive property has nothing to do with this nonsense you continue to reply with. The bottom line is that the Jaguars defense is constructed similarly to the Giants defense that always gave Cheatin’ Tommy problems. Bringing up 2015, the worst Giants defense of all time, is a joke.

    No idea what you’re babbling about or what 2015 has to do with this year but yes… you contradicted yourself.

    Don’t try to punch above your weight class chief. The result is quite embarrassing.

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