Mike Holmgren hopes Pat Shurmur lightens up this time

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Mike Holmgren obviously thinks Pat Shurmur is a good coach — he hired him in Cleveland.

But he hopes Shurmur makes some changes in his next job, which could allow the talents that are clearly there emerge to a greater degree.

Holmgren told Gary Myers of the New York Daily News that Shurmur could stand to lighten up a bit as he prepares to take the Giants job (you know the one that can’t technically be offered yet).

“I’m a grinder, but I had fun coaching,” Holmgren said. “I said, ‘Pat, I don’t think you are having enough fun. Everything is doomsday. Joke with the guys. Tease them. Let them see you are human.’ He was scowling. He’s a good play caller, he’s a good offensive coordinator. In my brief time with him in Cleveland, I saw some light at the end of the tunnel. . . .

“I believe the players in Cleveland respected him. He came off like a hard ass all the time. Very stern. Players are players – they respect you as long as you are honest. Bill Walsh said it to me once: ‘If you kick them in the ass, if you do it in practice, that’s okay. But don’t let them leave the field without telling them something good.'”

Holmgren also noted that Shurmur read every word that was written when he was running the Browns, something he won’t be able to do in New York because there will be a lot more words.

“I told him, ‘You can’t let it get to you,'” Holmgren said. “‘Don’t create an adversarial situation.’ I tried to counsel him that way.”

Any reasonable person would learn from previous mistakes, and there’s certainly a track record for coaches leaving the Browns and performing much better the second time. And Holmgren clearly hopes that Shurmur evolves, and enjoys the process more this time.

27 responses to “Mike Holmgren hopes Pat Shurmur lightens up this time

  1. What track record of Browns coaches doing better the second time do you speak of? Since 1999 only 1 head coach has gotten a second shot and he did dramatically WORSE the second time (Romeo Crennel laying an egg in Kansas City).

    Prior to 1999 the coaches were equally successful in Cleveland and outside.

    Bill Bellichik is literally the only coach who did better on his next try.

  2. I wish someone had given Holmgren advice on how to be a football president. Things like come into the office once in a while and when you do stay for at least 8 hours.

  3. Let’s see … OBJ praises a new, dour disciplinarian head coach who will be tasked with sorting out Eli Manning and OBJ. Does anyone else find that strange? Mara publically supports OBJ getting paid extravagantly and hires Gettleman? The top two candidates for the head coaching position opt for Detroit and Indianapolis? The team jettisons Coughlin who reconstructed Jacksonville into a potential Super Bowl participant yet continues to view “ownership” as the gold standard? The NY media MUST see that the Giants have become a mess under Mara. Why does he get a pass on destroying one of the greatest franchises in the game?

  4. Maybe Pat noticed that Holmgren was essentially stealing money while with Cleveland. It had to be very disappointing for Pat considering that his uncle Fritz was the architect of the defense for Holmgren’s Super Bowl victory. After that victory, Holmgren thought he was God’s gift to coaching and general managing. He also unabashedly demanded and claimed credit for “creating” Brett Favre.

    Holmgren accomplished nothing (other than stuffing his bank account) after leaving Favre, Shurmur, and Ron Wolf.

  5. Can we stop with this “Coughlin who reconstructed Jacksonville” fairly tale. He’s not the coach … he’s not the GM … and the bulk of the players were already there.

  6. Very haughty by Holmgren (who did what in Cleveland, exactly?).

    What I saw two years ago in Philly in Week 17 (post Chip Kelly, when Shurmur was in charge) was a happy, smiling Pat Shurmur receiving hugs from players mig-game as they enjoyed playing the game without Chip. I don’t think that’d happen if Shurmur was the type of coach Holmgren is describing here. Makes Mike look very out of touch.

    But WHY would he proactively disparage Shurmur like this??? He wants to act like he’s on the Mount Rushmore of the NFL (like Walsh is)… but he’s NOT.

  7. Holmgren should have won at least 2 superbowls in Green Bay with that stacked roster. Maybe even 3. guy could never get the job done. He is a medicore – at best – football coach. His opinion doesnt matter.

  8. “cardinealsfan20 says:

    Holmgren accomplished nothing (other than stuffing his bank account) after leaving Favre, Shurmur, and Ron Wolf.”

    He did take the Seahawks to their first Superbowl, and if you were not a Steeler/Bettis fan you knew that they should have won that Superbowl if not for some of the worst officiating in Superbowl history. Yes he was just getting a check in Cleveland, but after what the owner did with Flying J customers good for Mike.

  9. Holmgren should have won at least 2 superbowls in Green Bay with that stacked roster. Maybe even 3. guy could never get the job done. He is a medicore – at best – football coach. His opinion doesnt matter.

    It wasn’t Holmgren’s fault that Favre couldn’t stop throwing interceptions.

  10. Holmgren’s time in Cleveland wasn’t nearly brief enough. The number of bafoonish front offices we’ve had is more ridiculous than the famous, long list of Browns QBs in my eyes.

  11. the ny media will destroy shurmur the second he starts to spit out “we battled” phrases after every presser. sorry giants fans…this is a poor choice

  12. “should have won that Superbowl if not for some of the worst officiating in Superbowl history”.

    This mantra has been repeated so often that it is believed without any supporting evidence. How about listing the specific calls that allegedly cost Seattle the game? How about being good enough to overcome a couple of questionable calls, if there really were any?

  13. cabosan1978 says:
    January 16, 2018 at 11:00 am

    Since when is “taking a team to 1 superbowl” a success?
    ——————-

    It worked for Tony Dungy.

  14. I think the criticism of Hopmgrens coaching is unfair. He helped develop Favre and Young. He went to 3 SB, 2 with different teams. He was a great coach, his problem was running football operations as well. Seattle wasnt good with him running football ops but the second he was stripped of it, his teams were significantly better. That was the problem with the Browns as well, he had no clue with personnel and couldnt bail himself out as the coach (he barely could when running the show in Seattle). The second an actual personnel guy was brought in they were in the playoffs annually. He knows what hes talking about as a coach though so Id say his comments on Shurmur are probably accurate.

  15. Sure did well as Vikings coordinator
    , and would like to keep him, but in the New York beast media, he should have taken another head coach job if offered.

  16. Maybe you should critique yourself Holmgren because you’re not that great of a football mind that teams thought.

  17. He just might be the worst new era Browns coach ever in my mind.

    Bumbling comes to mind. And he always looked like he was about to puke and relieve himself out both ends simultaneously on the sideline. That roster was more talented than it played under his “leadership”.

  18. Holmgren accomplished nothing (other than stuffing his bank account) after leaving Favre, Shurmur, and Ron Wolf….

    Uhhh… he coached the lowly Seahawks to a SB (which they should of won, except the Refs had orders to ‘give one to the Bus’ — exactly how many coaches took 2 teams to a SB? I think he deserves a lot of credit as a coach, and nothing as a GM

  19. Shurmur couldn’t enjoy himself in Clevetown cause he was setup to fail (by Holmgren) like every coach in CLE. Shurmur had to take heat from the press after every loss (i.e. every game) while Holmgren sat in a back room smoking a fat one and chortling. Holmgren while in CLE had the best job in the NFL. Sign a 5 year deal @ $7M per, no winning expectations, work a couple of years, get fired and collect the full value of your contract. A 4 win season in CLE is a celebration, a 5 win season is a ticker tape parade.

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