Doug Pederson: If Carson Wentz were healthy, he would’ve been Super Bowl MVP

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Eagles backup quarterback Nick Foles played so well in the NFC Championship Game and Super Bowl that some have suggested the Eagles actually caught a break when Carson Wentz got hurt. Eagles coach Doug Pederson doesn’t buy it.

Pederson told Rich Eisen that if Wentz had stayed healthy, the Eagles would have won the Super Bowl with Wentz, and Wentz would have been the Super Bowl MVP.

“Carson Wentz was the MVP talk of the league last year,” Pederson said. “I truly believe if he’s healthy, and I still feel strongly that we’re in the Super Bowl and winning the Super Bowl with Carson. And he’s the MVP. I just think that’s the way he played last year. He’s a big reason. He’s not the only reason, but he’s a big reason why we were, I believe, 11-2 at the time, playing the Rams, and won the NFC East. For me, being a former quarterback, to have two guys, and really three guys, you throw [Nate Sudfeld] in there, but you’re talking about Nick and Carson who you just don’t bat an eye with either one of these guys. The way they prepare, the way they study, their demeanor on the field, their leadership styles. It’s a blessing to have two veteran guys like that and have a Super Bowl MVP as your backup.”

The Eagles love having a starter and a backup they think they can win the Super Bowl with. The question heading into the offseason is whether they’re going to retain two quarterbacks they can win the Super Bowl with, or trade Foles to try to build an even better team around Wentz.

114 responses to “Doug Pederson: If Carson Wentz were healthy, he would’ve been Super Bowl MVP

  1. I think he’s talking about league MVP….

    EISEN: It’s amazing how things happen. You go from one week you’re the MVP of the league, and five weeks later, because the backup wins it, you’re a system quarterback.

    PEDERSON: [laughing]

    EISEN: I mean, it’s nuts, I think. But what do you tell people who say that about Carson Wentz because of what Nick Foles was able to do?

    PEDERSON: Listen, Carson Wentz was the MVP talk of the league last year….

  2. He’s right. The Eagles have two top shelf QB’s. A major luxury.
    The goal should be in finding a way to lock up both of them for the next five years.
    Do that and keep the people around them at the level that Howie has managed to do and there’s no reason they won’t be in the thick of it for a long long time.

  3. Well he may be right but if Wentz struggles upon his return to health we’ll really see what everyone thinks. If the leagues defenses figures him out and the Eagles trade the wrong guy we’ll see. The Eagles may have captured lightning in a bottle this season. I don’t think of them as a budding dynasty though.

  4. There is no way to know that, plus Foles played so well it would have been hard for anyone to top what he did. Unless you’re Tom Brady, that is.

  5. Jason Kelce should have got an honorable mention for MVP. His play was amazing especially on that L Blount TD Run.

    Jeff Stoutland’s O Line played amazing in the Super Bowl. I hope he’s getting credit locally, because he sure isn’t nationally:

  6. Sounds more like damage control to me like something you would say to a pop warner player to make him feel better ,,and bye the way can we stop congratulating the iggles it has been 3 weeks already you would never get a congrats from an iggles fan if your team won !

  7. There was no need to tell Eisner anything. I read that as Dougie P saying that Foles my gut not have a future in Philadelphia. But then again Dougie has proven that his actions are way more profound than his talk. As an Eagles fan I feel great the he is our coach. And this will be the second time that Foles proved to hat he can manage elite players. Case in point his last to round here he had a very good O line running back tight end and wide outs. This years team had even more so I had faith he could win.

  8. yeah maybe but I’m not so sure – the Pats D, though weak that game, were notably better against the run than the pass and Wentz would have been trying to scramble – into James Harrison.

    And folks should stop saying Eagles “won with a backup QB” as if Foles was like Hoyer. Well, Foles was drafted to be a starter (by Eagles) and started 36 of his subsequent 49 available games.

    And btw, no matter how many times dumb refs allow it, the Philly Special formation lined up illegally, as per Mike Pereira.

  9. There is no denying that Wentz is better than Foles, but I think if Wentz was healthy, there is a good chance the Eagles DO NOT win the Super Bowl at all. They may not have even made it there. My reasoning is this: he’s a year und QB, and if healthy, the team would have been thought of as the best team and a shoe-in. Wentz would have won the league MVP, and those things combine to bring forth a lot of pressure to produce in the biggest games. The Eagles would not have had a rallying cry around being underdogs, and would have likely been running their standard offense that they ran all year, rather than changing things up to accommodate Foles. Now, that isn’t to say that their standard offense is beatable, as it is very good, but when you play the top teams in the playoffs, they have 16 or more weeks of film to review, and while teams always throw in a few wrinkles, it is much easier to be aggressive as an under dog that nobody gives a chance to rather than the top team in the league. Maybe with his starter in tact, Pederson doesn’t get as aggressive, or maybe defenses key in and stop some of the plays that had been successful all year. I’m not suggesting that they may lose the Super Bowl, but they could have just as easily lost to Atlanta in the divisional round. It is a tough game to play when expectations and pressure are higher, so you cannot just assume Wentz would overcome that and win just because Foles was able to win.

  10. seabreezes51 says:
    February 22, 2018 at 5:39 am
    He’s right. The Eagles have two top shelf QB’s. A major luxury.
    The goal should be in finding a way to lock up both of them for the next five years.
    Do that and keep the people around them at the level that Howie has managed to do and there’s no reason they won’t be in the thick of it for a long long time.

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    While i would love to keep both QBs it’s just not going to happen. Starter QB salaries are projected to hit 30 mill/yr this season. You just can’t afford to keep a backup on much more than minimum NFL wage at that point. If Wentz wasn’t on his rookie contract that they couldn’t have afforded Foles and his 7.5 mill contract. As it is they need to shed some salary which includes some guys deserving of new contracts.

    Hard choices, it’s the nature of the beast. You can’t pay everyone, you just hope the backup you draft turns into Jimmy Garropalo.

  11. The goal should be in finding a way to lock up both of them for the next five years.

    Wouldn’t be possible after Carson’s rookie deal ends, unless Foles would take true back-up money of 3-6 million. He is easily looking at Mike Glennon money in 2018 (16 million +)

  12. Given the guys we have coming back from injury that’s hands down a better draft then any team in NFL already. Keep em both and roll! Have fun and win Super Bowls the Anti-Pats will shock the world!

  13. This is a little bit mean spirited guys. Foles was the MVP, he won it, celebrate him, be thankful for him. Congratulate him. To sour grapes that it couldnt have been your golden boy winning it instead is kind of tacky. Show some appreciation for the guy that closed the deal on a Lombardi for you.

  14. I don’t think Howie Roseman is going to break the bank to keep these two QB’s. I think Roseman believes in his personnel staff, and their ability to find good QB’s. If he’s right, that’s a huge advantage. Nobody was that interested in Nick Foles two months ago, but I guarantee you the Eagles knew what they had. The Eagles also made a bold move to trade up to get Carson Wentz. A lot of folks questioned that move. You don’t make that move unless you have confidence. A lot of personnel people around the league were shocked that some people had Wentz rated so highly. Those are the teams that will have to break the bank to sign a QB. Those are the teams that are paying $20 million for second rate QB’s. Roseman knows that if you’re going to stay on top, it will come from good scouting. That process begins with Roseman’s ability to find good scouts. Roseman isn’t even a football guy. The rest of the league should be taking inventory of their organizations. Roseman is taking all these football guys to school. And he’s taking their lunch money.

  15. The only thing I will admit would have been different is there would have been no “Philly special” ran. They would have just qb sneaked Wentz in from the one because he was like 100% successful during the year. Other than that I still believe they win this SB.

  16. Just think about this: 2-time All-Pro/9-time Pro Bowler Jason Peters was injured and 3-time Pro Bowl Darren Sproles was injured.

    STACKED at every offensive position and the 4th ranked DEFENSE in the NFL.

  17. He is saying that to make sure there is no quarterback controversy, which is one bad thing to have when you have 2 quarterbacks that are good. A nice problem to have, IOW. Wentz will be the starter when he is healthy. Period. Full stop, says Pederson. He is also talking up the third string QB so the Eagles may indeed trade Foles before the trade deadline, but not likely do it before the season starts and before they are sure Wentz is 100%. There is little to gain, and a lot to lose if they trade Foles now. His salary is not cheap for a backup, and the Eagles have little cap space, but he only has one year left on his contract, so the need to get rid of him is small.

  18. Everyone laughed when Doug said this Eagles team was as talented as the 96 Packers. Maybe it’s time for you guys to shut up and just listen to the greatness of Douggie P.

  19. I think what should be the take away here is that the Eagles most likely would not have been the number one seed if Foles were the starter at the beginning of the season. Wentz played a HUGE part in even giving them a chance to compete in the SB. Doug is just keeping the confidence up for the guy that will be starter again next season. Foles did his part, good for him. However, he is no franchise QB until he can show consistency throughout an entire season. And really, Wentz can’t be considered elite until he has post-season success. So both QBs need to do what the other has done to prove that they are truly among the best. No pressure.

  20. “Jeff Stoutland’s O Line played amazing in the Super Bowl. I hope he’s getting credit locally, because he sure isn’t nationally:”

    Offensive Line Coaches rarely get any accolades in the media. But inside the building there, I’m sure that he’s appreciated and being well taken care of.

  21. Given the stories that Wenz might not be ready to come back by the beginning of next season, maybe it isn’t a very good idea to say that and anger your current Super Bowl MVP award winning starting QB.

    One and done for the Iggles.

  22. Pats fans are great. Spygate: You should believe everything Roger tells you. Deflategate: Don’t believe anything Roger tells you. Getting 99% of calls going their way: That’s how the rules are written. Not getting a call: We got cheated. Don’t change, you guys are priceless!!!! Eagles are the Champs. Deal with it.

  23. Oh what a tangled Web we weave doug. This statement is totally disrespectful to the achievements of not only foles but really the rest of the philthy squad that picked up their game after the wentz injury, allowing philthy to win their one and only sb in their entire pathetic existence. no guarantees in pro ball (as should be evidence by the craziness that materializes on an annual basis). Winning a sb does afford you bragging rights, but keep listening to this guy and soon enough you’ll be asking yourself, how did this goofy idiot win a super bowl?

  24. That’s like saying if Malcolm Butler played the Pats would’ve won. Woulda shoulda coulda we’ll never know. You can’t even be certain the Eagles would have been in the SB if Wentz had started in the playoffs they could gave lost one of those games.

  25. patsfancryingstill says:And btw, no matter how many times dumb refs allow it, the Philly Special formation lined up illegally, as per Mike Pereira.

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    and no matter how many times you watch it, the ref signals to alshon he’s ok. btw, the tuck rule game was a joke. not to mention tapegate and inflategate… so get over it and stop whining.

  26. Someone alluded to it above. So many of the Eagles players had the “No one believed in us and we wanted to prove everybody wrong” mentality. If Wentz stays healthy, the Eagles would have been the favorites in every playoff game and probably the Super Bowl. If it was the underdog mentality that won you the ring, than maybe the Eagles needed Wentz to get hurt. Maybe they couldn’t have won being the favorites. Or… just maybe, the Underdog mentality is all BS and players just like to exaggerate the difficulty of their journey.

  27. Seriously? The Eagles staff/players need to be quiet and just enjoy being a champion. They have quickly become one of the most annoying teams in the NFL. They just cannot stop saying dumb things. Even if it’s true…you don’t say stuff like this. Foles played great and won the Superbowl.

    That being said…Wentz is the big reason the Eagles even won a Super Bowl. Sure…Foles played well in the NFCC game and Superbowl, but if you actually watch a lot of throws Foles made…his receivers bailed him out (Jump balls).

    Wentz is the big reason you pretty much had the #1 Seed locked up by week 14. If you would have had to play Foles all year the Eagles probably would have lost the #1 seed to the Vikings or another team. And having the #1 seed is a major advantage when going to the Superbowl.

  28. nyneal says:
    February 22, 2018 at 6:35 am
    There is no way to know that, plus Foles played so well it would have been hard for anyone to top what he did. Unless you’re Tom Brady, that is.
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    Cept… Brady couldn’t do enough this go round, eh?
    lol

  29. seabreezes51 says:
    February 22, 2018 at 5:39 am
    He’s right. The Eagles have two top shelf QB’s. A major luxury.
    The goal should be in finding a way to lock up both of them for the next five years.
    Do that and keep the people around them at the level that Howie has managed to do and there’s no reason they won’t be in the thick of it for a long long time.

    ———————–

    Both top shelf? Please. Yes Foles won the games he had to. BUt if you look at his throws…many of them…he just threw up…and Jeffrey or some receiver saved him from an incompletion or interception.

    Wentz is top shelf and a big reason you made it to the Superbowl. If he had gotten hurt sooner in the Season and Foles had to play most of the regular season…chances are the #1 seed would have gone to another team.

  30. Hat Trick says:
    February 22, 2018 at 7:46 am
    The only thing I will admit would have been different is there would have been no “Philly special” ran. They would have just qb sneaked Wentz in from the one because he was like 100% successful during the year. Other than that I still believe they win this SB.

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    Philly was going through our defense like butter. If that play had not been run, or even if they had called the penalty on the illegal formation, I still think they would have gotten it in from there. It was short yardage against a defense that was not getting the job done. So no shoulds/woulda, no excuses, no salt. The team playing slightly better overall won the game and such is football. Good job Philly and see you next year.

  31. elmerbrownelmerbrown says:
    February 22, 2018 at 9:41 am

    The real question is if the whole NFL was healthy who would have won the Super Bowl ?
    ______________________________________

    So the ‘real’ question is if a hypothetical situation that’s never happened and never will came to pass what be the end result? Not a lot of ‘real’ in that one.

  32. The game was close. It’s hard to say Wentz would have had a similar result. He’s a fine player so it isn’t out of the question. Wentz is now in a fairly tough position. If things don’t go as well for Philadelphia next season he could face a potential QB controversy. My intuition says the Eagles will be fine and likely end up in the big game again however. I hope for a rematch.
    Go Patriots

  33. MCxShow says:
    February 22, 2018 at 9:43 am
    Actually Doug, Tom Brady was MVP of the league
    ===============

    And yet Foles played an A+ game while the so called MVP Brady was B+. How strange.

  34. With the Concussion Protocol and the every increasing strength and speed of defensive players, I think its becoming more important than ever to have two great QB’s on your team. Injuries happen, and when they do, a team doesn’t need a serviceable backup to step in, they need a very good to great backup to take command of the team and not miss a beat. This is what will differentiate good teams and Super Bowl Champions in the future.

  35. Sure, and if we accept that then nobody should have a problem when I say that if Malcom Butler, a 2nd team All Pro corner from the previous year plays the slot instead of Patrick Chung the Pats would have had a couple of stops on those 3rd downs. And NE wins easily. So believe whatever you want.

  36. Braz says:
    February 22, 2018 at 10:30 am
    I must be the only one who read his comments as Wentz being league MVP not Super Bowl MVP.
    ———————

    “Pederson told Rich Eisen that if Wentz had stayed healthy, the Eagles would have won the Super Bowl with Wentz, and Wentz would have been the Super Bowl MVP.”

    So yeah, Im betting most thought he meant Superbowl MVP.

  37. xavier179 says:
    February 22, 2018 at 10:53 am

    Braz, Pederson made that claim in the 2nd paragraph of this story.

    =======================
    The second paragraph isn’t a direct quote and I don’t think he is saying that at all.

    Direct Quote: “I still feel strongly that we’re in the Super Bowl and winning the Super Bowl with Carson. And he’s the MVP.”

    I am reading that as they win the Super Bowl and he is the league MVP. I am sure he is not talking about Super Bowl MVP here.

  38. If I were Nick Foles I would feel a bit slighted by Pederson’s comment. I would start out privately with “pay me or trade me”

  39. famundacheese says:
    February 22, 2018 at 8:50 am

    Eagles are the Champs. Deal with it.

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    yes they are, but they don’t have what it takes to win multiple titles. Their D was supposed to be great but was slightly better than NE’s and philly was not missing anyone important on D like NE was (Hightower). Also, there are a whole host of teams who won a super bowl that were better than the 2017 Eagles – 2013 Seahawks, 2015 Broncos, 2009 Saints – and none of them could win multiple titles. Why should Philly fare any better?

  40. Well they were missing their best LBer, but that is besides the point. Their D was good enough to win and their offense with multiple missing parts was better than the pats. Last time I check if you score more you win. As for the what it takes to win again claims, I’m going to guess you didn’t think they could win the first time, so your opinion doesn’t really matter. I’m enjoying this one. I’ll worry about next year when the season starts.

  41. Wellman says:
    February 22, 2018 at 11:08 am

    Braz says:
    February 22, 2018 at 10:30 am
    I must be the only one who read his comments as Wentz being league MVP not Super Bowl MVP.
    ———————

    “Pederson told Rich Eisen that if Wentz had stayed healthy, the Eagles would have won the Super Bowl with Wentz, and Wentz would have been the Super Bowl MVP.”

    ===============
    Like I said above, that is not a direct quote and looks like probably a misquote too.

  42. I think he’s actually saying that Wentz was the real league MVP last year, not that he would have been the Super Bowl MVP.

    But in any case, there are still dodgy assumptions here. No matter how good Wentz is, we can’t assume he would have won any of the games that Foles did. So many variables come into play. You can’t just say a good QB automatically would have won. Better QBs than Wentz lost every game except one by the end of the playoffs.

    Eagles are still in great shape for next year. But losing your top two offensive coaches, having cap issues to manage, and having your QB recovering from significant injury are not things to be scoffed at, and now the coach is making QB-placating public statements.

    Eagles fans will likely find out what fans of every other SB-winning team know: repeating success is really hard.

  43. He’s right. So what? Foles is humble and I am sure he believes that himself too. You know why Foles played lights out in NFC Title game and Super Bowl? It is because what Dungy said. His strong faith. Foles isn’t spending a moment feeling slighted. And he knows he will be loved in Philly forever. Go ask the Flyers of the 70’s that won 2 Stanley Cups how much love they’ve received in the last 40+ years.

  44. “yes they are, but they don’t have what it takes to win multiple titles. Their D was supposed to be great but was slightly better than NE’s and philly was not missing anyone important on D like NE was (Hightower)”

    LOL yeah right! The Eagles were without their top 2 MLBs, LT, QB, RB, and even their starting WR had a torn rotator cuff… The Eagles had injuries all year long too pal. How far do you think you would have gone with Brady out? So laughable. Enjoy your bitter offseason.

  45. Pederson is probably right and I don’t think he meant to downplay what Nick Foles accomplished but he didn’t want to downplay what Carson Wentz accomplished either. The media will keep stirring this pot and that is why the Eagles should trade Foles for top value while they can to an AFC team only.

  46. How do you know they don’t have what it takes to win multiple titles? That is a stupid comment and I have no idea where you are coming up with this flawed logic. Eagles won the superbowl in year 2 of their rebuild, way ahead of schedule! The core of this team is YOUNG and signed long term! The secondary is young and getting better. Their franchise QB is young and just starting out his career. There are never any guarantees, but if you look at this team from a non-biased position they are in better shape then pretty much anyone. The core is signed for the foreseeable future and they are still improving. This team has young talent at every position on the team from both the offensive and defensive lines, to secondary, WR, QB ect… NFC East teams should be concerned, and the honest fans are. The Eagles have never in their history been in a better position then they are right now, so accept reality and deal with it.

    tb12greatest says:

    February 22, 2018 at 11:27 am

    famundacheese says:
    February 22, 2018 at 8:50 am

    Eagles are the Champs. Deal with it.

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    yes they are, but they don’t have what it takes to win multiple titles. Their D was supposed to be great but was slightly better than NE’s and philly was not missing anyone important on D like NE was (Hightower). Also, there are a whole host of teams who won a super bowl that were better than the 2017 Eagles – 2013 Seahawks, 2015 Broncos, 2009 Saints – and none of them could win multiple titles. Why should Philly fare any better?

  47. Shall we count the number of NE players that would have made things turn out differently, were they able to play?

    This business of “what if” is a fool’s errand.

    Play it both ways or not at all.

    Hightower
    Edelman
    Cannon
    Butler

    “if only NE had X Y, Z, …then there’s no doubt that …. (insert speculation)

    Next year, guys.

  48. MCxShow says:
    February 22, 2018 at 9:43 am
    Actually Doug, Tom Brady was MVP of the league
    ===============

    And yet Foles played an A+ game while the so called MVP Brady was B+. How strange.

    ===============

    I’m an Eagles fan but if you think Brady was ‘B+’ with a stat line of 28/48 for 505 yds and 3 TD then I’m not sure you understand how football works. The Pats shredded the Eagles D all game, we were able to come up with one stop in the fourth quarter when we needed it most. Outside of that our D was swiss cheese. In the end, Eagles are still Super Bowl champs, so it doesn’t matter!

  49. Christopher says:
    February 22, 2018 at 11:55 am
    They don’t have what it takes to win multiple titles. Their D was supposed to be great but was slightly better than NE’s and philly was not missing anyone important on D like NE was (Hightower). Also, there are a whole host of teams who won a super bowl that were better than the 2017 Eagles – 2013 Seahawks, 2015 Broncos, 2009 Saints – and none of them could win multiple titles. Why should Philly fare any better?

    ======================

    Jordan Hicks, Sidney Jones, Joe Walker all were injured/DNP in Super Bowl. Fletcher Cox also missed 2 games and Ronald Darby 5 throughout the season. Yes Jones is a rookie and Joe Walker is meh, but Jordan Hicks was our starting OLB. It’s easy to play the theoretical game, but the Eagles have nearly all of their starters under contract for next year and a number of high-profile players coming back from injury (Sproles, Wentz, Peters, Hicks, etc.). They will be fine.

  50. rkt4mayor says:
    February 22, 2018 at 11:55 am

    Pederson is probably right and I don’t think he meant to downplay what Nick Foles accomplished but he didn’t want to downplay what Carson Wentz accomplished either.

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    If that were the case, he would have spoken with great praise only about what Wentz actually did, and not speculated on what he would have/could have done in Foles’s place.

    The only way to praise without slighting is to focus exclusively on what both guys actually did. Because they both did tremendous things. As soon as you say, “the other guy could have done that, too”, you’re slighting someone, period. That suggests someone needs placating more than they should, which is not a good sign.

  51. “Cept… Brady couldn’t do enough this go round, eh?
    And yet Foles played an A+ game while the so called MVP Brady was B+. How strange.”

    Uh, no to both of you. Brady did plenty, it was the D that couldn’t “do enough”. And the Pats offense did plenty to win the game, there was nothing “B+” about it.

    All credit to Foles and the rest of the Eagles for playing their hearts out, but its pretty ridiculous to act like Brady didn’t have a great game and put the team in a position they could have won.

  52. To be honest, this statement is simply a kick in the teeth to every other player on the Eagles roster.

    If Wentz had played, how does Pederson know that it wouldn’t have been a defensive player who made a crucial play to win the game?

    Foles was the MVP because he played out of his skin and deserved the award. There’s no telling that Wentz would have been so dominant, even in an Eagles victory.

  53. Ky Li says:
    February 22, 2018 at 10:05 am
    nyneal says:
    February 22, 2018 at 6:35 am
    There is no way to know that, plus Foles played so well it would have been hard for anyone to top what he did. Unless you’re Tom Brady, that is.
    —————————–
    Cept… Brady couldn’t do enough this go round, eh?
    lol

    Braz says:
    February 22, 2018 at 10:29 am
    MCxShow says:
    February 22, 2018 at 9:43 am
    Actually Doug, Tom Brady was MVP of the league
    ===============

    And yet Foles played an A+ game while the so called MVP Brady was B+. How strange.

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    Im sorry you guys missed it. It really was a great game.

    Brady went for 500+ yards, 3 td, and 0 int so he lived up to his NFL MVP rating. Foles deserved the award for the game because he as just as sharp and played for the winning team. The game was not decided by qb play at all. The deciding factors were elsewhere.

  54. Christopher says:
    February 22, 2018 at 11:55 am
    How do you know they don’t have what it takes to win multiple titles? That is a stupid comment and I have no idea where you are coming up with this flawed logic. Eagles won the superbowl in year 2 of their rebuild, way ahead of schedule! The core of this team is YOUNG and signed long term! The secondary is young and getting better. Their franchise QB is young and just starting out his career. There are never any guarantees, but if you look at this team from a non-biased position they are in better shape then pretty much anyone. The core is signed for the foreseeable future and they are still improving. This team has young talent at every position on the team from both the offensive and defensive lines, to secondary, WR, QB ect… NFC East teams should be concerned, and the honest fans are. The Eagles have never in their history been in a better position then they are right now, so accept reality and deal with it.

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    Eagles are in better shape than they’ve ever been is not saying much, given philly’s cleveland brown’s like history. They were a good team this year, not great. Like i said, we’ve seen better teams fail to win multiple titles.

  55. And yet Foles played an A+ game while the so called MVP Brady was B+. How strange.

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    Im sorry you guys missed it. It really was a great game.

    Brady went for 500+ yards, 3 td, and 0 int so he lived up to his NFL MVP rating. Foles deserved the award for the game because he as just as sharp and played for the winning team. The game was not decided by qb play at all. The deciding factors were elsewhere.

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    A B+ grade doesn’t mean Brady played badly. It’s fair to say he was B+ as it was the average of his C+ grade first half and his A grade second half (would have been A+ but he was responsible for what basically was the game losing fumble).

    If Brady deserved an A grade for his first half the Pats would have been up not down by 10 at halftime. I saw the game, I don’t need stats to tell me how good a QB is playing. Brady was not sharp at all in that first half. Stats and yards aren’t everything.

    And win or lose Brady has still yet to play a solid Super Bowl game from start to finish. A lot of QB’s have and Foles certainly did. I would expect for a guy known as the GOAT to have done the same by now, at least once. Case in point:
    2001 – 86 passer rating. Nuff said.
    2003 – Did nothing until late in the first half. Also had a brutal INT that could have lost the game.
    2004 – Brady was nothing special in this one. Threw for only 200 yards or so. The Eagles turned the ball over a lot, that’s why the Pats won that game.
    2007 – Stunk the entire game.
    2011 – Ditto except for one drive in the second half
    2014 – Did nothing until the 4th quarter.
    2016 – Ditto. Threw a pick 6. To be fair I give him credit for the 3 game closing TD drives. That was impressive. Great comeback.
    2017 – Meh first half, great second half like I said.

  56. Keeping Foles only makes sense if you don’t trust Wentz to stay healthy. If that’s not a concern, then the money is better spent elsewhere on the roster.

  57. Look, Wentz did great this year however dozens of players have had great years only to look mediocre in the big playoff games. Pederson anointing Wentz as the MVP is a slap in the face to Foles. Foles didn’t just look good for one game, he set an all time record for highest rating in the playoffs. All QB’s. That means he had one hell of a postseason run. He deserved that MVP award and who knows, maybe Wentz gets one next year but the fact is, we don’t know what Wentz would’ve done in the playoffs. To me it looks like the Eagles need to keep both. Let Wentz win 12 games and then bring in Foles for the playoffs every year. Until I see Wentz in the postseason, I can’t anoint him as super bowl MVP and neither can Doug Pederson.

  58. All credit to Foles and the rest of the Eagles for playing their hearts out, but its pretty ridiculous to act like Brady didn’t have a great game and put the team in a position they could have won.
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    Food for thought.

    When you didn’t see or forgot you saw the game, that 50 yard completion to Amendola in the first half looks impressive. Hey gotta give credit to Brady for the stats!

    Then there’s reality: That pass was a terrible underthrow. I mean….Amendola looked like a centerfielder settling under a routine fly ball to catch it. That’s how bad it was. Had the ball been put where it should have been, Amendola reaches the end zone with nobody within 10 yards of him. That cost the Pats 7 points as they got zilch on that drive. And perhaps with those 7 points in the book it changes the game entirely in the 4th quarter and also the result.

    Brady also missed Hogan and other guys with footballs bouncing short and he did drop a first down pass. Caught, and the Pats get points on that drive. They also got nada.

    All of that is entirely on Brady and is something that would not show up in the stat sheet. He almost made up for it in the second half until the fumble but it just wasn’t enough.

  59. Why do people get so mad? Brady had a good game, but made like 2 maybe 3 tough throws. The pick foles threw was a better pass than any that Brady had to throw. This isn’t putting him down. Pats WRs were running free all over the place. Nick had tiny windows he hit all day.

  60. I agree that Brady was inaccurate in the 1st Qtr. Floaters, balls coming just behind receivers, missed opportunities.
    My complaint about McDaniels was that his approach was not aggressive from the gun. Were they to go for it on 4th down on those first series of possessions, like the Eagles did, they may have altered the outcome of the game.

  61. Braz says:
    February 22, 2018 at 1:15 pm

    A B+ grade doesn’t mean Brady played badly. It’s fair to say he was B+ as it was the average of his C+ grade first half and his A grade second half (would have been A+ but he was responsible for what basically was the game losing fumble).

    If Brady deserved an A grade for his first half the Pats would have been up not down by 10 at halftime. I saw the game, I don’t need stats to tell me how good a QB is playing. Brady was not sharp at all in that first half. Stats and yards aren’t everything.

    And win or lose Brady has still yet to play a solid Super Bowl game from start to finish. A lot of QB’s have and Foles certainly did. I would expect for a guy known as the GOAT to have done the same by now, at least once. Case in point:
    2001 – 86 passer rating. Nuff said.
    2003 – Did nothing until late in the first half. Also had a brutal INT that could have lost the game.
    2004 – Brady was nothing special in this one. Threw for only 200 yards or so. The Eagles turned the ball over a lot, that’s why the Pats won that game.
    2007 – Stunk the entire game.
    2011 – Ditto except for one drive in the second half
    2014 – Did nothing until the 4th quarter.
    2016 – Ditto. Threw a pick 6. To be fair I give him credit for the 3 game closing TD drives. That was impressive. Great comeback.
    2017 – Meh first half, great second half like I said.
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    Nick Foles did NOT play a perfect super bowl. He missed plenty of throws and threw an INT to Duron Harmon on a terrible throw. And name me one QB who has won the super bowl playing perfect – nobody. And just because Brady wasn’t perfect doesn’t mean he still isn’t the greatest. Even Montana, who played well against average teams in the super bowl, struggled in the NFC against tough opponents like NYG, Was, and Minn. In fact, Montana lost to the NYG in 1986 by a score of 49-3. How can anyone be considered GOAT when he can’t lead his team to a single TD drive in a playoff game? When was the last time brady lost a playoff game (or any game for that matter) by 46 points?

  62. I don’t know about anyone else, but the Eagles fall from the top of the heap is going to be fun to watch.

  63. No matter WHAT happens, Nick Foles will always be the guy that won them the first Superbowl. That’s hard to beat. I do not envy Wentz.

  64. Why do people get so mad? Brady had a good game, but made like 2 maybe 3 tough throws. The pick foles threw was a better pass than any that Brady had to throw. This isn’t putting him down. Pats WRs were running free all over the place. Nick had tiny windows he hit all day.
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    Nick had tiny windows? What game did you watch? The Pats D was non-existent. They converted huge plays on numerous 3rd downs because guys were wide open. Let’s try being somewhat factual here.

  65. And yet Foles played an A+ game while the so called MVP Brady was B+. How strange.
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    How does a guy who threw the same number of completions for 132 less yards, had an INT, and a passer rating almost 10 points less then his counterpart get an A+ rating? Food for thought

  66. blessedunliketherest says:
    February 22, 2018 at 3:32 pm

    And yet Foles played an A+ game while the so called MVP Brady was B+. How strange.
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    How does a guy who threw the same number of completions for 132 less yards, had an INT, and a passer rating almost 10 points less then his counterpart get an A+ rating? Food for thought

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    Foles was great the whole game. Brady was great for half a game. It’s quite simple, really.

    If you can’t accept facts… that’s your problem not mine.

  67. There is no reason to believe that Pederson didn’t answer the way he really thinks. It’s hard to imagine Wentz playing any better than Foles did and he may not have played as good. But Pederson doesn’t know the true answer because we didn’t get to see Wentz play in the playoffs at all. Based on what we saw from Wentz in the regular season, there’s every reason to believe that he would have been just as dominant in the playoffs and Super Bowl. So Pederson answered the way that most every logical thinking person would answer that question.

  68. And name me one QB who has won the super bowl playing perfect – nobody.

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    I don’t know about perfect but it shouldn’t be too much to expect a guy who a lot of people think is GOAT at the QB position to play a consistently solid Super Bowl game from start to finish. Just even once!

    Montana did it. Favre did it. So did Young. Roethlisberger did it. Foles of course did it. And many others did it.

    Why hasn’t Brady done it yet? He’s had way more chances than any of those guys…

  69. In fact, Montana lost to the NYG in 1986 by a score of 49-3. How can anyone be considered GOAT when he can’t lead his team to a single TD drive in a playoff game?

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    While I totally agree with the overall point about Brady being the GOAT – to be fair, Montana did not even finish the first half of that game due to a concussion he sustained courtesy of a massive Jim Burt hit. The Giants also knocked Joe out when they beat the Niners in the 1990 playoffs after Montana got plowed by Leonard Marshall in that game.

  70. Your logic is flaws and skewed due to your hatred of Philly. There were many “good teams” this year in the NFL, The Eagles were a great team from the start of the season all the way through. They beat the NE Patriots in the Superbowl with a backup QB and without their HOF LT, Stud Middle LB ect. Their Offense and Defense were both in the top 5. They were completely balanced. Great teams are balanced all the way through. Teams like Seattle and Atlanta failed to beat this same NE Team in superbowls blowing HUGE leads, so to me the FACT that they are Superbowl champions and the only team next to the Giants to beat greatest dynasty ever in a Superbowl is greatness. Your problem is you can’t deal with it, but doesn’t matter how much you cry it doesn’t change a thing. The Eagles were great this year and they beat the greatest Head Coach and QB. Greatness. That was this years Eagles team.

    tb12greatest says:

    February 22, 2018 at 12:49 pm

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    Eagles are in better shape than they’ve ever been is not saying much, given philly’s cleveland brown’s like history. They were a good team this year, not great. Like i said, we’ve seen better teams fail to win multiple titles.

  71. Foles was great the whole game. Brady was great for half a game. It’s quite simple, really.

    If you can’t accept facts… that’s your problem not mine.
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    Nothing in that statement is factual, at all. Everything is pure speculation and opinion. How is that hard to understand? For instance, Foles had an INT in the first half in the redzone. Is that playing great? Is that worthy of an A+ game in your book? To me, A+ is flawless. In my opinion, Foles was not flawless. I asked a follow up question that was supported by actual facts. You are either ignoring it on purpose or don’t have an answer.

  72. I don’t know about perfect but it shouldn’t be too much to expect a guy who a lot of people think is GOAT at the QB position to play a consistently solid Super Bowl game from start to finish. Just even once!

    Montana did it. Favre did it. So did Young. Roethlisberger did it. Foles of course did it. And many others did it.
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    What happened to Manning and Elway? You made the same tired argument with them on the list a few weeks ago. What changed?

  73. I don’t know about perfect but it shouldn’t be too much to expect a guy who a lot of people think is GOAT at the QB position to play a consistently solid Super Bowl game from start to finish. Just even once!

    Montana did it. Favre did it. So did Young. Roethlisberger did it. Foles of course did it. And many others did it.
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    Just out of curisioty, who is your GOAT? Even better, how about ranking your top 3 QBs of all-time. This time, I am asking for an opinion, just in case that wasn’t clear.

  74. Stupid comment. One could EASILY say Wentz, no matter how outstanding he was in the regular season, would have played any better than Foles did in the NFCCG and Super Bowl. In fact, Foles was so exceptional, it’s almost unlikely.

  75. xxsweepthelegxx says:
    February 22, 2018 at 7:41 am
    System QB. Trade him for draft picks.
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    He’s clearly a better system QB than Brady. Guy choked away a superbowl in the greatest system ever designed.

  76. It really is a game of small margins, If Julio Jones doesn’t fall down at the end of the wildcard game we’re talking about Foles being one and done, as most predicted. Fair play to him and the coaches after that, the Eagles were lights out all the way. Having said that I do think Wentz is a far better QB, Foles just happened to be on fire at the right time. He is IMO the 2018 version of Flacco who never really got back to that level again, and I don’t think Foles will either.

  77. LOL at all the people who think Wentz wouldn’t have dominated in the playoffs. How quickly ppl forget how good this kid is. They’re comparing him to RG3 and “how defenses will figure him out”. You forget he dominated his second season, he didn’t regress. He was doing things that 10 year vets still didn’t know how to do. I love Foles and think he’s a very, very good qb but Wentz is a once in a decade qb.
    The way he reads through his progressions, changes plays at the line we’re truly amazing. If you think defenses are going to figure him out, you’re sorely mistaken. Don’t ever categorize his work ethic and compare him to RG3. It’s a disgrace actually. People forget Tom Brady once tore his ACL too but they don’t talk about that. Can’t wait to
    Watch this kid rip NFL defense for the next 10-12 years

  78. blessedunliketherest says:
    February 22, 2018 at 4:31 pm

    I don’t know about perfect but it shouldn’t be too much to expect a guy who a lot of people think is GOAT at the QB position to play a consistently solid Super Bowl game from start to finish. Just even once!

    Montana did it. Favre did it. So did Young. Roethlisberger did it. Foles of course did it. And many others did it.
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    Just out of curisioty, who is your GOAT? Even better, how about ranking your top 3 QBs of all-time. This time, I am asking for an opinion, just in case that wasn’t clear

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    I’m not going to call Brady GOAT. I won’t laugh at anyone who might but for me to do so means I am saying he’s greater than other guys from ANY era and I won’t go there. I’m sure you understand that you can’t objectively compare guys in different eras of the game. I’m not even convinced he’s the greatest in THIS era. GOAT means that fans in future years and future generations look back at this guy as a measuring stick and a barometer of what all quarterbacks should be. I think they’ll remember Peyton Manning that way. I know people definitely of Joe Montana that way. Elway too. Marino too. Maybe even Favre.

    Brady? I’m not so sure a neutral fan outside of NE 25 years after he retires will look back and say “I got to see the great Tom Brady play!”

    Now before you give me the rings argument, I’ll stop it right there by saying no I don’t agree that rings indicate greatness. Wins and Super Bowl rings are a team accomplishment and not exclusively a quarterback accomplishment. Trent Dilfer won a ring, does that mean he’s greater than Dan Marino who didn’t?

    I will admit anyday and twice on Sunday that Brady is the most successful QB. THAT can use rings as the argument and he’s got scoreboard there. But *greatest*? I can’t go there. I think Brady’s success is too associated to Coach Belichick right now. Put Brady on a different team away from Belichick and maybe I’ll reconsider.

  79. @blessed

    You and lots of Pat fans clearly mistake Greatest of All Time for Most Successful of All Time.

    Brady absolutely is the latter. That’s what he will be remembered for.

    In my opinion he is not near the top of the conversation for the former. Sorry.

  80. Pats fan here.

    I have consistently congratulated the Iggles for beating us in the SB. No excuses – not one.

    So, you will all have to excuse me for enjoying the spectacle of watching them screw up in the offseason.

    One and done – you read it here first.

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