Cliff Avril: I didn’t think Seahawks changes would be this dramatic

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Wednesday saw the Seahawks agree to trade defensive end Michael Bennett to the Eagles while also moving closer to cornerback Richard Sherman‘s possible exit in a pair of moves that show that there was something behind talk about a change of direction in Seattle.

That talk makes it hard to be overly surprised by the changing of the guard on a defense that stayed together longer than most. During an appearance on NFL Network, defensive end Cliff Avril said he told teammates that it’s unusual to have that kind of continuity but even that didn’t prepare him for how sweeping the changes would be this offseason.

“I didn’t think it was going to be this dramatic,” Avril said. “You’ve seen it with the coaching staff a little bit. But I didn’t expect this many guys to even be considered to be leaving. Some of these guys have been playing at a high level for a long time. And to kind of see this playing out the way it’s playing out right now is, again, interesting. We’ll see how it plays out, though.”

Avril’s own future with both Seattle and as an active player remains up in the air due to the neck injury that sent him to injured reserve last year. Avril said he’s meeting with his surgeon in the next few days to see where things stand and reiterated his hope to continue playing.

If he is cleared, Avril could wind up on the discard pile as this week has made it clear that it won’t be the same old Seahawks in 2018.

31 responses to “Cliff Avril: I didn’t think Seahawks changes would be this dramatic

  1. Pete Carroll is a snake. No other way to say it. He ruins teams and then leaves right before they completely crumble.

  2. I did.

    Cap hell.

    Once you start paying a QB 20+ mil, your entire cap position changes.

    Schneider and Carroll’s egos have been out of control now for years.

  3. You can thank your QB, Cliff. And now he’ll be wanting more money so the team will continue to purge the real reason it was successful those two years and they’ll continue the ridiculous belief that their Wilson can lead this team to glory without a HOF defense.

    All this was writing on the wall after the team chose to try and make Wilson the face of the organization by throwing on the one so he could win SB MVP and not Lynch. They couldn’t justify paying him #1 QB money if they won 2 SB’s and he wasn’t good enough in either to win the SB MVP, an award that QBs almost always win.

  4. Seahawks players got too caught up on their one year dynasty… if they didn’t realize that Carroll is all about Wilson…then they are idiots.

  5. Pete Carroll is a snake. No other way to say it. He ruins teams and then leaves right before they completely crumble.

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    Yet Pete is still there, making your point invalid.

  6. Time to get young. All the talk about “cap hell”, name one team that doesn’t gladly go into a high cap after being a solid competitor that was a play away from being the only team to be back to back SB winners. There’s only 1 Tom Brady in this league, and even he benefits from being a perennial playoff contender by virtue of playing in a dumpster fire division and not having to face a solid QB in his division AND the entire AFC! It’s called change, and Seattle is in the middle of it. Time to get young. Were it me, I’d dump Russell Wilson and move up in the draft to acquire a younger QB. Wilson isn’t a true QB, and his accuracy is very suspect, while his legs are slowing. If you want to run, you first have to build an OL Pete Carroll.

  7. It’s the modern day NFL protocol. Unless you’re the Pats, you basically have a 3-4 year window. They won a super bowl and dominated the NFC from 2013-2016. It shouldn’t surprise anyone their game plan is to spend everything they have in cash and draft capital on remaking the offense. Under Brian Shottenheimer! LOL.

    #Brianball

  8. Pete Carroll is a snake. No other way to say it. He ruins teams and then leaves right before they completely crumble.

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    If by “ruins teams” you mean “wins national championships and Super Bowls” then you are right.

    I’m guessing there’s a lot of people out there that would love Pete to come ruin their team for 5 or 6 years.

  9. Patriots fans and this “one year dynasty” nonsense. They were right there for three years, and on the cusp the year before that.

    Better THAT than to have your entire franchise’s “accomplishments” tainted and called into question.

  10. So how is this different from New England? They move on from their core players except Brady. Butler makes the play that steals a Super Bowl from the Patriots and he is getting dumped.

  11. bigmikeskinsfan says:
    March 8, 2018 at 10:11 am
    Pete Carroll is a snake. No other way to say it. He ruins teams and then leaves right before they completely crumble.

    I see absolutely no evidence of this happening in Seattle – and I think the general characterization is a little over the top as well. No one has been afraid of this defense for two years now, the injuries – and age – have taken their toll. They are not in salary cap hell (tight, but you make moves that make sense like everyone else), and no one’s ego is out of control. For those of us that run businesses, this is called, well, business. When people stop fearing you (kind of like no one fears the Patriots defense, at all) it’s time to remake yourself into a better image. They’re clearly doing that.

  12. It was pretty obvious.

    Avril-done
    Chancellor-done

    Bennett-traded
    Sherman-will be cut or traded
    thomas-???? talk of trade and talk of holdout if not traded until new deal

    Graham- free agent -gone
    Richardson-free agent -might be gone

    Still have massive holes in OL
    Still lacking at WR and especially RB

    Now will have new holes in the DL, TE, CB, S.

    Still need to sign old Duane Brown to a 15-20 mill a year contract, or perhaps he holds out (remember he held out last year with Texans for a new deal… he’s been very patient with the Seahawks up until now)

    Then Sheldon ‘drive 135mph while fleeing cops with guns, pot, and kids in the car’ Richardson who also will want about 15-20 mill a year.

    No 2nd round pick this year. No 3rd round pick this year.

    No 2nd round pick next year.

    It’s been obvious where this thing was headed. They have massive holes right now (or about to) and not much space or cap to fill many before the start of the season.

    Seahawks fans better pray that the crap line doesn’t kill Wilson because without him they look like a 2-14 team.

  13. The draft and free agency are both coming up. The Seahawks have an opportunity to really improve their roster if they evaluate correctly. They already have a star QB, so that’s 90% of the deal right there. A couple years ago Schneider was walking on water. I guess we’ll see if he still has his fastball. Getting to the top is much easier than staying on top. You can’t pay everyone. You have to bring in more 5th rounders like Richard Sherman, and 3rd rounders like Russell Wilson, if you want to stay on top.

  14. Seattle has been losing players on both offense and defense, since they “won” with the help of the league turning a blind eye to defensive holding, aka mugging of wide receivers at the line of scrimmage, to paraphrase Jim Harbaugh. Not a single OL or DL remains. The only two players who have remained in the LB position are KJ Wright and Bobby Wagner. When the 2018 season opens, about the only DB from that team still playing may be Earl Thomas, since few teams will trade for a safety that is the highest paid in the league. For that kind of money they may want a CB instead. Jeremy Lame and Byron Maxwell may still hang around but they won’t keep Seattle’s defense near the top.

  15. Not a huge fan of the way it is going down, but we went from essentially zero cap space, to almost 40 million in the span of a few days. Moving Bennett frees up 2 mill + 7 or 8 next year., cutting Sherm frees up 11 mill, cutting Avril and Lane frees up another 13-14 mill. Now they may have room to re-up Thomas, Brown, and Richardson and may even make a play to retain Jimmy G. Hate to see Sherman and Bennett go, but at least we can now make some roster moves and aren’t completely handicapped by one or two players deals.

  16. The Hawks may be rebuilding now, but you have to give them some major credit for drafting and developing so many great players that justified large contracts to create the cap issues that hit the team once Wilson’s contract kicked in. They are largely the victims of their own success. The problem is that they failed to continue to draft those good young (and cheap players), which was made worse by trading so many draft picks away. Makes you appreciate the Pats sustained success.

  17. Seattle blew 13 million on Luke Joekel and Eddie Lacy last season. It’s not having to pay a great QB, it’s how poor Schneider has been with drafting and personnel decisions the last 3years that has put them up a creek with the cap on the talent spectrum.

  18. It would be nice if the Seahawks were on the draft picks end of a Percy Harvin type of blockbuster trade for Earl Thomas. It was a 1st and a 7th that year plus a 3rd next year in the Harvin deal.

  19. tylawspick6 says:

    I did.

    Cap hell.

    Once you start paying a QB 20+ mil, your entire cap position changes.

    Schneider and Carroll’s egos have been out of control now for years.
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    After they cut Lane and Avril next week which they were always going to do, the Seahawks will have more cap space than the Patriots without moving Sherman or Thomas if they don’t want to. And they’ll have $97 million to spend for 2019.

    I do not think the phrase “cap hell” means what you think it means.

  20. “You can thank your QB, Cliff. And now he’ll be wanting more money so the team will continue to purge the real reason it was successful those two years and they’ll continue the ridiculous belief that their Wilson can lead this team to glory without a HOF defense.”

    Your anti-Wilson bona fides are well established on here. So OK, fine. But you can’t ignore that they paid Wilson at market value – if they didn’t pay him the $20M+, it’s pretty obvious that another team would have, and he’d be gone. And then it’s the Seahawks with Tarvaris Jackson running the offense. That’s not better. They did what they had to do, as dictated by the marketplace. And as the last few years have shown, his deal doesn’t even look that bad anymore.

  21. Can’t cut sherman. He is injured. That would give him grounds for a grievance. They would have to reach some kind of injury settlement to cut him. Sherman will be back, they are just dangling players to see if they can get someone to bite and offer something good enought that would justify trading valuable assets.

    Oh, and the OLine doesn’t have huge holes. Get that out of your head now. The O-Line was fine after acquiring D.Brown.

    Biggest needs, DL, RB, WR, TE.

  22. I did.

    Cap hell.

    Once you start paying a QB 20+ mil, your entire cap position changes.
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    Right.

    Heaven forbid your QB gobbles up 10 whole percent of your cap.

    Guess I’ll credit that to the new math you millennials do.

    .. Seattle fell apart because they drafted so poorly after the Super Bowl loss.

  23. Pete Carroll is a snake. No other way to say it. He ruins teams and then leaves right before they completely crumble.
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    Yeah.. what a team wrecker… building the best defense since the late-80s Bears… and the best college program this side of the Hurricanes.

  24. omeimontis says:

    March 8, 2018 at 11:41 am

    Seattle has been losing players on both offense and defense, since they “won” with the help of the league turning a blind eye to defensive holding, aka mugging of wide receivers at the line of scrimmage, to paraphrase Jim Harbaugh. Not a single OL or DL remains. The only two players who have remained in the LB position are KJ Wright and Bobby Wagner. When the 2018 season opens, about the only DB from that team still playing may be Earl Thomas, since few teams will trade for a safety that is the highest paid in the league. For that kind of money they may want a CB instead. Jeremy Lame and Byron Maxwell may still hang around but they won’t keep Seattle’s defense near the top.

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    Definitely a lot of truth to some of the stuff you’re saying. I’m not a Seahawks fan, but I like Pete Carroll and John Schneider, so I’ve always given them the benefit of the doubt. The league cracked down on the mugging, but I also think some of those guys got old very fast, or at least their play fell off. Sometimes I wondered if some of those skills were from a bottle, if you know what I mean.

  25. Carroll’s continued employment does not diminish the fact that he is a snake. Some owners have low standards for their coaches and are complicit in their team gaming the NFL’s drug testing procedures. Retaining Carroll proves the owner is a lowclass cowpie.

  26. purpleguy says:
    March 8, 2018 at 11:59 am
    The Hawks may be rebuilding now, but you have to give them some major credit for drafting and developing so many great players that justified large contracts to create the cap issues that hit the team once Wilson’s contract kicked in. They are largely the victims of their own success. The problem is that they failed to continue to draft those good young (and cheap players)

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    Scot McCloughan. They hit the lottery when he was there and have not drafted well since he left.

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