Report: Bob McNair questioned in Colin Kaepernick collusion case

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The inmates may not be running the prison, but one of the wardens got interrogated on Friday.

According to TMZ, Colin Kaepernick‘s lawyers questioned Texans owner Bob McNair in Houston as part of Kaepernick’s claim that the league colluded to keep him unemployed.

Kaepernick was photographed leaving the proceedings, wearing a black T-shirt with “Kunta Kinte” in white letters.

The interest in questioning McNair came from his team’s lack of interest in Kaepernick after Deshaun Watson suffered a torn ACL last season and, more importantly, McNair’s controversial remark during an October ownership meeting that the league “can’t have the inmates running the prison,” in reference to efforts to resolve the controversy regarding player protests during the national anthem in order to bring attention to issues of police brutality directed against African-Americans and people of color.

Kaepernick, in 2016, was the first player to protest during the anthem. He became a free agent in early 2017, but no one offered him a contract.

Last year, former Texans tackle Duane Brown said that, when participated in anthem protests during the 2016 season, “there was no backing of my character as a man as a leader or a player . . . [and] [t]here was nothing said by [McNair] or the organization to back me at all.”

Lawyer Mark Geragos claimed in November, after the Texans failed to consider Kaepernick, that McNair had made Kaepernick’s case stronger.

I just don’t understand the Texans,” Geragos said at the time. “If I’m Bob McNair, and maybe I’m addled and maybe I’m sick, I just don’t know. I mean, I’ll find out when I do his deposition. But if I’m Bob McNair and I’ve already misspoke and my players want to come and beat the crap out of me, I think that somebody should be whispering in my ear, ‘Sign Kap, sign Kap.’ Because that can redeem you, I would think, just from a public relations standpoint.”

Geragos also has described McNair’s “inmates running the prison” remark as critical proof of collusion.

“That’s about as good a smoking gun for collusion as you can get,” Geragos said. “‘We’re not going to let the inmates run the prison.'”

Many have argued that collusion will be impossible to prove, apparently under the belief that the case will require evidence of a secret agreement among all teams to avoid Kaepernick at all costs. His lawyers believe that collusion can be shown much more easily than that, with the league office (as controlled by a small handful of owners( being the conduit for spreading the word to the various teams, with the message not being a blatant “don’t sign Kaepernick,” but a far more subtle explanation that, for example, signing Kaepernick would generally be bad for business.

Other owners likely will be questioned soon, and it could end up being a hot topic as they prepare to gather in Orlando for the annual meetings, starting next weekend.

78 responses to “Report: Bob McNair questioned in Colin Kaepernick collusion case

  1. No Owner should hire anyone he doesnt want to represent his organization, its HIS team and HIS decision, Just like “Kaep” decided to put his career in peril by being disrespectful to America. Maybe “Kaep” can try to move to Canada and Play up in the Great White North.

  2. how can any one tell a bunch of billionaires “you must hire this person “even though to do so brings about protests and devalues your company?

  3. “Many have argued that collusion will be impossible to prove, apparently under the belief that the case will require evidence of a secret agreement among all teams to avoid Kaepernick at all costs. His lawyers believe that collusion can be shown much more easily than that, with the league office (as controlled by a small handful of owners( being the conduit for spreading the word to the various teams, with the message not being a blatant “don’t sign Kaepernick,” but a far more subtle explanation that, for example, signing Kaepernick would generally be bad for business.”
    ——-
    So basically his lawyers argument is, “We can’t prove collusion but if we change the definition of collusion to include anything that is not really collusion, then we can prove it’s collusion”

  4. Why won’t this guy just go away?

    He chose the wrong way to try to bring up awareness and in doing so offended a lot of people and created a media circus around him. Most teams don’t want to deal with that short of distraction for an average player. The same thing happened to Tim Tebow. No one wants the circus that comes with some of these players.

    Although I did find it funny him saying he won’t take a knee during the anthem anymore. I guess awareness only goes as far as the dollar.

  5. tortorellasucks says:
    March 16, 2018 at 2:52 pm
    No Owner should hire anyone he doesnt want to represent his organization, its HIS team and HIS decision, Just like “Kaep” decided to put his career in peril by being disrespectful to America. Maybe “Kaep” can try to move to Canada and Play up in the Great White North

    Someone like you will never get it, he was exercising his first amendment right, Trumper

  6. So if he says, my staff advised that he was not a good fit for our team, or if he said my staff said he was exactly what we needed but I still decided I dont like him….either way thats not collusion.

    Kaeps lawyer would have to hope some owner says, “yeah we all got together and made a pact that this guy would never get signed” and I cant think thats going to happen.

    Im also surprised Kaep was at the proceedings. This was just a deposition right? Usually thats handled with just lawyers from both sides and the person being deposed.

  7. “Kaepernick was photographed leaving the proceedings, wearing a black T-shirt with “Kunta Kinte” in white letters.”

    LOL, really. This guy just doesn’t get it…

  8. “Kunta Kinte”. REALLY???? Look at me!!! Look at me!!!!! Seems like everything he does just adds to the list of reasons why I would never add him to my team if I was a NFL owner. Diminished skill set and a cancer to any locker room.

  9. Once upon a time, our country sympathized with true victims who were oppressed. We corrected the wrongs of our past and have tried to move past them.

    Now, people have the freedom to speak their minds, and take whatever actions they like. And when it doesn’t turn out the way they want, they resort to painting themselves as victims.

    Sorry Kaepernick. Most common-sense people know a true victim from a fake, wannabe, and you are definitely the latter.

  10. Another reason why Kaepernick wanted his ‘Workout’ leaked out. He does not want to play but wants to appear as if he does. Looking for a settlement.

    If a team offered him a deal tomorrow he would not take it

  11. No evidence of collusion…Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Sam Bradford, Jay Cutler just to name a few examples of QBs that continue to be employed but have yet to accomplish a single thing on the field of play. Whether Kap plays again or not isn’t the issue. It’s that the owners colluded to keep him out of the league when so many teams desperately needed (still need) a QB.

  12. Didn’t Geragos guarantee that Kaep would be signed by a team back in Oct 2017?

    Your credibility is waning Mark….

  13. Kaeperinick makes me sick! Trying to litigate that an NFL team be forced to sign him when his play is subpar and he obviously isn’t in football shape. He doesn’t even want to play! This is all just a publicity stunt!

  14. Oh, and Gergaros thinking that Houston should sign Kaepernick from a “public relations standpoint” shows that he has zero-clue about how the real world works and loves living in his social justice bubble.

  15. tortorellasucks says:
    March 16, 2018 at 2:52 pm
    No Owner should hire anyone he doesnt want to represent his organization, its HIS team and HIS decision, Just like “Kaep” decided to put his career in peril by being disrespectful to America. Maybe “Kaep” can try to move to Canada and Play up in the Great White North.
    ———————————————————–

    Yes he does not have to hire him. But there is a collective bargaining agreement and that prohibits him from colluding with any other team or the league office to prevent his hiring. It does not require all 32 teams just 2 entities. Hard to believe it did not happen and there’s not evidence of it.

  16. Good luck proving the league office discouraged signing this guy. You can interview all 32 owners and even if each one says I don’t think is marginal/declining skills are worth the hassle, that still doesn’t prove anyone conspired to keep him out of the league.

  17. I think not resigning with the 49ers was the perfect way to show how owners rallied against him once he became a free agent. Not only did he take a huge risk, which in turn legitimizes his claim, but he is a perfect fit in Houston’s system, which makes this case even more intriguing.

  18. I haven’t seen “NFL General Manager” or “NFL Talent Scout” listed on Mark Geragos’s resume. Maybe I missed it?

    Just because a team needs a quarterback does not mean that they are automatically required to consider any particular quarterback, including Colin Kaepernick.

  19. Kapernick should have been a lawyer because his passing accuracy is suspect.

    He was so lucky to have juiced up Vernon Davis (BEFORE the nfl’s new hgh testing policy went into effect), a loaded receiving corps, and an AMAZING OFFENSIVE LINE (All-Pros Staley and Iupati).

  20. Who is funding Kaep’s legal collusion case? I hope he isn’t wasting his own money on this because I have a feeling his SJW career isn’t going to pay nearly as well.

  21. 8th grade bully says:

    March 16, 2018 at 2:59 pm

    tortorellasucks says:
    March 16, 2018 at 2:52 pm
    No Owner should hire anyone he doesnt want to represent his organization, its HIS team and HIS decision, Just like “Kaep” decided to put his career in peril by being disrespectful to America. Maybe “Kaep” can try to move to Canada and Play up in the Great White North
    ____
    Someone like you will never get it, he was exercising his first amendment right, Trumper
    ____

    Wow.. First Amendment Rights? still this. Talk about some one that will never get it… Poor you. You must be a victim, you must be owed something, participation trophy’s all over your parents room I imagine.

  22. His lawyer’s argument does not change the definition of collusion; rather, it suggests that proving collusion won’t require unearthing an explicit agreement to keep Colin Kaepernick unemployed. This is no different that proving someone’s guilt in a murder trial through indirect (i.e., circumstantial) evidence. Contrary to what you see in crime drama television shows, circumstantial evidence is a totally acceptable way of proving a case.

  23. Someone should’ve shouted at Kaepernick: “Your name is Toby”! Just for the Roots reference on his T-Shirt…

  24. No business in this world would hire a person that has already alienated at least 50% (maybe more) of the customer base. That is just common business sense. Lawyer Geragos is just that – a lawyer. He does not get to decide who teams sign or not sign. Geragos is also not entitled to an explanation on anything. There is no one who is entitled to an NFL spot. Every Sunday, there are players sitting at home watching games on TV where they think they are better and more qualified than players they see running around on the NFL playing fields. No one has to explain anything to them why they are sitting at home watching on TV. The sense of entitlement is amazing.

  25. If I was Bob McNair I’d tell that slezy lawyer Geragos that I won’t be intimidated or threatened into signing his client!

  26. “Maybe “Kaep” can try to move to Canada and Play up in the Great White North.”

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    I live in Canada, across the river from Detroit. My area was like Grand Central Station for the underground railroad, proud of welcoming and giving refuge to those in quest of freedom. This rich history of acceptance has made Canada a beacon (relatively) of racial harmony.

    Also, Canada lost its first female army officer (Captain) when she led a coalition team of Canadian/US soldiers in a firefight in Afghanistan. As a guy who opposes women in combat, this hit me real hard, and I often memorialize her efforts in my mind. I don’t want a person like PigSocks minimizing her service to our two countries.

  27. The NFL can’t operate like a normal private business because they accept public money for stadiums. Since they accept subsidies from tax payers, they’re under all kind of extra regulations about equal opportunity and employment discrimination because this is now public domain.

    If billionaire NFL owners didn’t accept subsidies for their stadiums, you wouldn’t be able to tell them who to hire. Since they do accept subsidies, they give up some of their choice.

  28. 8th grade bully says:
    Someone like you will never get it, he was exercising his first amendment right, Trumper
    ——————————-
    It is all fine and no one denies his rights. Also, no one should deny the rights an employer to hire whoever they wish.
    A true freedom is only freedom when it applies to all.

  29. A “Kunta Kinte” T-shirt??

    THAT will help you get a job again Einstein… Unless, of course he
    really doesn’t want one. Strikes me as one who likes to stir the pot
    just a little bit more.

  30. Geragos is a hack. McNair has done nothing to apologize for. There is NOTHING he said that shows McNair needs to be ‘redeemed’.

    Meanwhile Geragos is saying that phrase not only is somehow evidence of collusion, but the strongest part of his case?

    What a waste of time. Except it showcases these nutjobs are nuttier then a jar of Planters.

  31. As far as I’m concerned the only “collusion” in no team signing a below-average talent who is a disruptive influence was that all of their owners had their sanity at the time.

  32. You fan boys are hilarious. You hate Kapernick but you loved Muhammed Ali when he refused to fight in Vietnam and defend his country, was suspended and stripped of his title and couldn’t fight for over 3 years. Got hypocritical?

  33. What’s the big deal, if an owner doesn’t want a player that’s his right?
    Doesn’t make any difference who it is. The owner pays the bills.

  34. “montgomeryfunke says:
    March 16, 2018 at 3:13 pm
    His lawyer’s argument does not change the definition of collusion; rather, it suggests that proving collusion won’t require unearthing an explicit agreement to keep Colin Kaepernick unemployed. This is no different that proving someone’s guilt in a murder trial through indirect (i.e., circumstantial) evidence. Contrary to what you see in crime drama television shows, circumstantial evidence is a totally acceptable way of proving a case.”

    This isn’t a criminal case. To have collusion you must prove an agreement. We are talking about the ability to completely void the CBA. One owners comments that “we don’t want the inmates running the asylum” is not akin to colluding to keep a singular player out of the league. There needs to be some evidence of widespread owner agreement to preclude him from employment, otherwise all you have is a single statement from one of 32 possible voices. It’s about collusion, lets not forget that is the question at issue here. What his lawyer is doing is simply trying to muddy the water in hopes of getting a judgement.
    If as stated, Bob McNairs comment was the smoking gun, this would be over by now. It’s simply not. They are just hoping that somehow is can be twisted in some fashion to prove something it simply doesn’t prove.

  35. billysnapface says:
    March 16, 2018 at 3:39 pm

    You fan boys are hilarious. You hate Kapernick but you loved Muhammed Ali when he refused to fight in Vietnam and defend his country, was suspended and stripped of his title and couldn’t fight for over 3 years. Got hypocritical?

    =========================

    As you said, Ali was heavyweight champion and stripped of his title. He is one of the greatest heavyweights of all time (I think Joe Louis was the GOAT).

    On the other hand, what did Kapernick ever accomplish? He’s a below-average talent and it was his own decision to walk away from the 49ers

    Also Muhammad Ali came from a background of poverty and discrimination whereas Kapernick grew up in an affluent family and was always coddled.

  36. billysnapface says:

    March 16, 2018 at 3:39 pm

    You fan boys are hilarious. You hate Kapernick but you loved Muhammed Ali when he refused to fight in Vietnam and defend his country, was suspended and stripped of his title and couldn’t fight for over 3 years. Got hypocritical?
    _______

    If the narrative fits…
    The faux outrage and hypocrisy is palatable, and it taste like %&$#. And its getting worse.

  37. Talk about conflicted, his white mother has taken issue of his antics.

    Signing a QB mid-season who is not familiar with your system is of no real help to your team… such was the case with the Texans.

    He is also toxic to the locker room as he put his politics before football.

  38. If one owner testifies that if their team needed a Qb they would have signed Kap , does that end the case ?

  39. billysnapface says:
    March 16, 2018 at 3:39 pm
    You fan boys are hilarious. You hate Kapernick but you loved Muhammed Ali when he refused to fight in Vietnam and defend his country, was suspended and stripped of his title and couldn’t fight for over 3 years. Got hypocritical

    //////////////

    Geez billy, the Ali thing was over 50 years ago. Stay current.

  40. What’s with the t-shirt referencing a captured slave from more than 200 years ago? Is Kaepernick actually comparing himself with a slave? If I remember the “Roots” series correctly, Kunta Kinte died in slavery. Colin Kaepernick has made tens of millions of dollars playing a game, and he wants people to feel sorry for him?

    Newsflash Colin: The owners didn’t collude against you. They all came to the same conclusion about you which is that you are at best a backup QB who will serve as a distraction, and at worst a guy who will bring negative attention to their brand. Nobody needed to conspire with anyone else to figure that out, as your behavior provided all the evidence they needed to reach that conclusion.

    If 32 people conclude that jumping off a ten-story building will have negative consequences for themselves (even though the “crowd” is yelling for them to “jump”), did those 32 people conspire to disappoint the crowd? Figure it out. And while you’re at it, quite comparing yourself to a slave; you are making yourself look like an idiot.

  41. So, the guy who wears a Fidel Castro t-shirt, and talks about “social injustice” gets to drag owners in and waste their time. He’s an idiot. Those who follow him, even dumber. When he can’t prove “collusion”, I hope these owners sue this guy out of every penny that he has.

  42. As far as those still talking about ‘rights’. The first amendment only guarantees your freedom to speak. It does not entitle you to any subsequent rewards for having done so. That is entirely at the discretion of the individuals that might reward you whether or not they want to. And if they dont it is not a violation of your rights. And any subsequent praise or criticism is simply the first amendment right of others.

    Also, McNair can go in there and acutallt state point blank “he did not sign Kaep because he does not want that inmate running his asylum” if he wants to. What are they going to do about it? Its more than a bit crass and rude, but its not collusion.

    For the NFL themselves to direct a team to sign Kaep (some seem to think this should happen) would in fact be an act of collusion. And putting aside the obvious irony, that team would have grounds to sue the league over the salary, cap space, and roster slot they had to use up. Likely the keague would have to give them money, plus exemptions on the other things. But then other teams could challenge them being given those things. Quite the can of worms there.

    Where I am torn is because we the fans would actually benefit from Kaep winning. It would void the CBA if he won. And there is a lot in the CBA the fans do not like so all of that would be wiped out. It would remain to be seen if a new CBA could be made any better. But the chance would present itself to try. I have to admit I would like that part of it. So Im not sure which way I am rooting here.

  43. “but a far more subtle explanation that, for example, signing Kaepernick would generally be bad for business.””
    _______________

    Rough break for Kaepernick that isn’t the legal definition of “collusion.” But even assuming it was: Why would the league need to share even that more subtle message with teams? The league never forced teams to make players stand for the anthem nor took any action against those guys protesting yet they’re going to warn teams about signing a single individual player? That makes no sense at all.

  44. steeltownpride says:
    March 16, 2018 at 4:10 pm
    If one owner testifies that if their team needed a Qb they would have signed Kap , does that end the case ?

    ——————-
    Like if Belichick walks in and says they evaluated him to see if he would be a good replacement for Tom Brady, but after careful consideration of all the data they decided to stick with Brady?

  45. Can someone point out when McNair singled out Kaepernick by name?

    If he did not name Kaep, it cannot be proven he was referring to Kaep as an individual, and as Kaep is an individual bringing the suit, it must be collusion against him as an individual.

    Sorry SJWs, spin anyway you want but your dog won’t hunt.

  46. @jman967

    My criminal case reference was merely an example. My point being that cases generally, both civil and criminal, can be proven in competent courts of law through circumstantial evidence.

    Perhaps a better example comes from the common law of contracts. Contrary to popular conception, a contract is not synonymous with a written agreement. In other words, a “contract” is actually an abstract concept whereby two parties agree to be bound to each other by promises. Parties enter into these contracts by (1) manifesting mutual assent; and (2) exchanging value. Only certain types of contracts must also be in writing, and this varies by state. This, of course, leads to people forming perfectly valid oral contracts.

    But what happens when a dispute arises as to whether two parties entered into an oral contract? The parties introduce evidence, usually circumstantial, to show that a contract was or was not formed.

    Long story short, McNair’s statement considered along with other statements may be enough to prove an agreement existed, even if nobody says “oh yeah we agreed to work together to keep Colin Kaepernick unemployed.” The case isn’t over in light of McNair’s comment because Gerargos must proceed diligently in building his case, which surely does require more than one good piece of evidence.

  47. CK has no bona fides they way Ali did. That’s why he hasn’t been fully taken seriously with respect to the kneeling.

    Signing him will redeem no one.

    Now, what NcNair said was patently stupid…

  48. The NFL has colluded. Trumpers get all worked up about this stuff because any issue to due with race feeds their souls. Racists thrive on hate.

    Kaep and Eric Reid, the 49er’s star stud safety have now not been signed to NFL teams. And those in denial see no pattern because they don’t want to acknowledge both the NFL’s collusion against those standing up for their 1st Amendment rights.

  49. Of all the people I talk to, the only ones defending Kaep are the same ones who said OJ didn’t do it.
    Why didn’t Tebow get signed? Marginal talent, too big of a circus.

  50. Even if the league office did tell teams signing Kaepernick would be bad for their business, it isn’t collusion unless they think that was untrue but still avoided Kaepernick to not have an argument with the league office.

    If teams independently came to the conclusion that CK was bad for business (because you know he’s protesting the flag and anthem, they are entirely free to hire someone else.

  51. skawh says:
    March 16, 2018 at 5:37 pm
    The NFL has colluded. Trumpers get all worked up about this stuff because any issue to due with race feeds their souls. Racists thrive on hate…..

    Most of you Shillarys see everything through race colored glasses. It’s a racist thing.

  52. The hypocrisy thread. Condemn a guy for exercising the most important American right we have but Russia? crickets from these people.

  53. billysnapface says:

    March 16, 2018 at 3:39 pm

    You fan boys are hilarious. You hate Kapernick but you loved Muhammed Ali when he refused to fight in Vietnam and defend his country, was suspended and stripped of his title and couldn’t fight for over 3 years. Got hypocritical?

    ———–

    If Ali was pouting and “protesting” because he got beat up by Joe Frazier then you might have a point. The only reason Kaep was kneeling is because he lost his starting position to Blaine Gabbert. That alone should be enough for the owners to claim that Kaep just wasn’t good enough for any of their teams.

  54. To the “it’s McNair’s business, he can do what he wants” brain surgeons. Three words. Collective Bargaining Agreement.

    Kap’s a player, he’s covered by the agreement and the owners contractually agreed not to collude against any one player. Got it yet Trumpkins??

    This isn’t colluding against Coke for not selling New Coke.

  55. Funny these sjw writers that spin the narrative that Kaep’s only offense was kneeling. They leave out the pig socks, his claim that our country is one of oppression, our flag is no different than the confederate flag, wearing a Castro shirt and singing his praises. To top it all off…he couldnt be bothered to vote. His reason for not voting…he saw no difference between the candidates. And they expect an owner to sign this moron to be a leader of men?!

  56. Still find it funny that the toucan was the product of a black father abandoning the mother which forced the mother to put him up for adoption. Krapernick seems to ignore this inconvenient fact about his existence and would rather paint himself as some sort of righteous social justice warrior when he is just a clown. Homeboy is half-white too so he is trying to overcompensate way too much 🙂

    You all know I am right too.

  57. If you are perceived as a pain in the ass, you had better be very very good. If Kaepernick was seen as a great QB, he would have had his pick of teams. No team saw him as their starter last year. He earlier turned down a trade to the defending champion Broncos because he didn’t want to restructure his contract. He later blew it with the Ravens after his girlfriend called the owner a bigot. Teams don’t want a backup QB who brings the baggage he brings with him. Oh yeah, then there’s the “ALL cops are pigs thing”. Now he’s suing the league while still looking for a job. Who hires someone who is suing them?

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