Competition Committee focuses on catch rule, again

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With the annual league meetings starting next week in Orlando, the Competition Committee has commenced the process of finalizing possible changes to the catch rule.

In the wake of preliminary Competition Committee meetings occurring in Indianapolis during the week of the Scouting Combine, it became clear that the rule-making (more like rule-suggesting) body will be recommending that owners dump the requirement that players “survive the ground.”

That’s a great start, one that would potentially result in a small uptick in fumbles, but only if a player catches the ball, gets two feet down while stumbling to the ground, and loses the ball upon striking the turf — if, that is, the player isn’t touched by an opponent on the way to the ground. (Or if he doesn’t break the plane of the goal line, thereby ending the play, before losing the ball.)

But a Monday tweet from NFL senior V.P. of officiating Al Riveron highlights the challenge the Competition Committee, and in turn the owners, will face: How long will a player be required to keep possession of the ball before a catch becomes a catch?

“Over the past several days, the NFL Competition Committee has been reviewing the process of a catch,” Riveron said. “The first two elements are control and two feet down. Additional elements are also under consideration.”

Those “additional elements” are the most important. They represent the heart of the controversy that has plagued the rule in recent years. Previously couched in terms of the player having possession long enough to perform an act common to the game (the “football move” standard), the rule currently requires the player to have the ball long enough to clearly become a runner.

It’s ultimately a time element. How long must the player have the ball in his hands and two feet (or another body part) on the ground before the catch becomes a catch? If there’s no time element, it’s a simple proposition for officiating and, more importantly, for replay review: Ball in hands plus feet on ground equals catch, even if the defensive player instantly knocks the ball loose, making it a fumble.

The challenge of crafting the time element becomes the root of the problem for the league. One possibility would be to hinge the time element to the concept of whether the player is defenseless. If he’s still defenseless and he’s hit and the ball comes out, it’s not a catch. If he’s not defenseless and he’s hit and the ball comes out, it’s a fumble.

Regardless of the final language, it must be two things: (1) simple; and (2) not subject to replay review. The first two elements, which are objective and undeniable, can be confirmed or reversed via replay. The time element is necessarily subjective. A judgment call. The ruling on the field should be respected, in the same way that calls and non-calls of pass interference can’t be reconsidered via replay.

40 responses to “Competition Committee focuses on catch rule, again

  1. Just as long as they confirm a couple of years later that an incompletion was actually a catch I’m sure everyone will be satisfied.

  2. Great. It will be even muddier next year if they keep messing with it. I don’t know what’s so bad about having to survive the ground. If you don’t survive the ground you simply didnt have possession. Seems pretty easy to me. As always is the case in football, don’t let the ball hit the ground!

  3. Leave it alone. There’s nothing wrong with the rule as-is. I have never had trouble understanding it or readily identifying it on the field of play no knowing the difference, both good for my team and bad for mynteam. The only people complaining are those whose teams did not complete a critical catch, or Fantasy Leaguers without a real dog in the fight.

  4. If a RB gets a hand off at the 1 and dives into the End Zone, it is a TD as soon as ball crosses into the End Zone.
    If a WR catches the ball on the 5 yard line, take 2 steps, extends ball into the End Zone, and ball pops out when it hits the ground. It is incomplete. And everyone in the bar is screaming at the TV.

  5. get rid of ‘survive’ the ground it will get applauded by many until the first controversial fumble.

    The only way to appease the fans is to make everything even remotely questionable against the Patriots a catch and everything questionable for the Patriots not a catch. I dont think it matters what they do with other teams because people only seem to get worked up when it involves the Patriots. Heck, even when its not questionable they still get mad if something goes in the Pats favor.

  6. If you don’t make it reviewable you’re turning the clock back to a time where calls were missed at least as badly as today.
    Renfro caught the ball in the end zone with two feet down for what should have been a TD against the Steelers. Video clearly showed the refs blew it, certainly would have got it right with a simple replay. If you can’t correct something as straightforward as that then you’ve still got it wrong.

  7. The catch rule, the way it was for the first 50 years that I watched NFL football, was never a problem. The problem was we would see the replay on TV showing they got the call wrong once in a while. So the only problem was that the NFL hadn’t introduced replay as an aid to the officials. That stupid thing about rolling around on the ground for 15 minutes was just nuts. That wasn’t a rule change, that was more like they changed the sport. It’s like making a batter stand outside the batter’s box. Or making a guy shoot free throws with his eyes closed. It’s crazy. Just play football.

  8. They are also going to make official what were three implied requirements of a catch: the color of the receiver’s jersey, the time left in the game and the score of the game will be integral determining factors.

  9. If it’s the team you are rooting for, everything is a catch.
    If it’s the team you don’t like, nothing is a catch.

  10. For 50 years I’ve been watching football, and this was never an issue. Now, since Dez Bryant, nobody knows what a catch is. (Well, actually, most normal people have a good idea even if Chris Collinsworth is clueless, but I digress)

  11. Not subject to review is fine and dandy. Until………………….a score or turnover. All scores and turnovers are automatically reviewed. Before you can determine a score or turnover, you must first determine if it was a catch.

  12. sportsfan18 says:
    March 19, 2018 at 7:09 pm

    I’m sure glad that MLB knows what a catch is.

    They did until replay. Then we got the ball in the 1B’s glove interpretation. The 1B umpire is listening for the sound of the ball hitting the glove pocket, but somehow the replay rules say the ball “entering” the glove being sufficient to call an out.

  13. Keep it simple.

    Catch the ball, make a football move and you are now a runner. That means if you break the end zone line with the football, it’s a TD and whatever happens after that, including contact with the ground, doesn’t matter.

  14. So Lee Evans “drop” in the 2015 AFC Championship game right before Billy Cundiff missed a FD would be a catch under this new rule. He had the ball for an instant , turned and then it was knocked out.If the rule is the receiver has to have his feet down and the ball for an instant, an instant is a very short period of time. BTW–I’m a Ravens fan.

  15. If the ball is secured and two feet are in bounds, whether its a mind boggling toe tap/drag on the side line or in the end zone its a catch. Amazing toe tapper/drag and out of bounds results in catch regardless of what transpires afterwards. The player controlled the ball in the field of play and then went out of bounds. Whether the balls pops free or the player stumbles into the Gatorade table and loses control matters not. On the field of play, he had control with two feet in. Easy. Heading towards the endzone, player catches ball falling, twists and pierces the goal line with said ball before an opposing team player touches possession layer down, TD. Easy. Regardless of what happens after the tip of the ball has broken the plane, the play results in a TD. Player had control of ball when ball penetrated goal line, TD. I could go on…It can be simple if you let it allow it to be simple. How hard is it, really, NFL, to pull your head out of your donkey?

  16. meadowlandssports says:
    March 19, 2018 at 8:34 pm
    sportsfan18 says:
    March 19, 2018 at 7:09 pm

    I’m sure glad that MLB knows what a catch is.

    They did until replay. Then we got the ball in the 1B’s glove interpretation. The 1B umpire is listening for the sound of the ball hitting the glove pocket, but somehow the replay rules say the ball “entering” the glove being sufficient to call an out.

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    And therin lies the rub. Reply technology these days is causing these issues in every sport. There is no human alive that can do what replay can. But we still expect them to.

  17. Football became america’s game without the technology. Dump instant replay completely, the game will speed up immensely and yes mistakes will be made but they made them in the 60’s thru the 80’s and the game FLOURISHED

  18. hawdog
    Your statement is nonsensical. You can catch the ball, secure it, take two steps and fall to the ground and have the turf knock it out. You HAD control. The impact on the ground should be irrelevant.

  19. Make it just like a running play. If you have control across the plane of the goaline it’s a touchdown. Other than that leave it alone.

  20. I’ve watched the game for so long after the “Calvin Johnson Rule” first came to be that I can pretty much tell when it’s not a catch. Basically, if you don’t survive the ground, it’s not a catch. Even if Calvin had stumbled wildly out of bounds, run into the end zone wall, then dropped the ball, it’s not a catch. That’s just the way the rule is written.

    I know it’s stupid, but over time, it doesn’t really bother me these days. Still, I’d like to see it changed. If they go to the ‘two feet down’, the only argument would be if the DB tomahawks the ball out at the same time the second foot comes down. Then will it be an INT or Fumble?

  21. I think the catch rule is fine the way it is, with the exception of the End Zone. If the player catches the ball, and the ball crosses the plain, with the receiver in clear possession of the ball, then it should be a Touchdown. We saw too many plays this past season where that became an issue especially when a comparable play, outside of the Redzone, would be called a catch, and the ruled, the ground can’t cause a fumble. I think that will clear things up a lot.

  22. Honestly what’s wrong with two feet down and control of the ball? Seems to me to be a pretty simple easily replayed, kinda deal. I’m also for replaying PI though so maybe I’m not the best one to talk to. Seems to me that if you’re going to have 40 yard penalties that can change the game you should be able to review them. Two guys running 4.4’s down the field while a 60 year old dude tries to keep up and figure out who pushed who is getting old quick.

  23. Here’s an idea for a fix: Make the “football move” less demanding by focusing on the arms. Arms outstretched? Bring them in, maintaining control. Catch the ball close to body, reaching for the end zone would be a “football move.” Move the ball from above the shoulders to below the shoulders, or vice versa. Below the knees to above the knees or vice versa. Obviously, taking a single step after securing the ball would count as a football move. So would leaping in the air and holding on until the body contacts the ground. Also, ball crosses the goal line or foot crosses the sideline, play’s over. Doesn’t matter what happens afterward. Not saying this is perfect. But it’s closer to a workable definition without allowing the totally bang bang catch hit fumble.

  24. Control of the ball with 2 steps or a controlled dive where the ball doesn’t touch the ground, two feet in bounds.
    But let’s add some calculus to it so there is more controversy.

  25. Calvin Johnson miscall started a huge mess. Like the Tuck rule. I have a new NFL rule – no new rules to cover up when your NFL refs blow a call.

  26. @Wellman

    There were at least 5 50/50 (I would say they were 10/90) catches that all went the Patriots way last season. That’s why people got so fired up at the calls they received.

    @tylawspick6

    If you seriously don’t think the Eagles TD in 4Q was a catch then you may need professional help. As soon as the WR was touched on the leg he became a runner. And once he crossed the goalline whatever happened afterwards was moot.

    For a Patriots fan to complain about cheating is just nonsense – check pick play on game tying 2XP against Atlanta.

    Just be fair, no one is taking your tainted Super Bowls away.

  27. The Catch rule is fine as long as it’s done consistently. Like for instance….sure the catch in the Steelers vs. Patriots game wasn’t a catch. How about the catch by Corey Clement in the Superbowl? If you are going to have a rule be consistent. That was not a catch and it was in a SUPERBOWL. Or in the Panthers vs Vikings game. Adam Thelein had a catch taken away from him. He used the ground and the ball didn’t move and they took the catch away. Be consistent!

  28. As someone said above – first get the endzone and sideline catches right. As soon as the ball breaks the plane it’s supposed to be a TD if the receiver has possession. If he falls and the ball jars loose – it shouldn’t matter.

    Same on the sidelines. Two feet down, clear possession, what happens when he hits the ground shouldn’t matter.

    Otherwise, they’ve just complicated it too much. Don’t overthink it. If the receiver holds the ball for more than a quick bang-bang play then it’s a catch.

  29. I think the PI penalty is the one that needs to be considered for change. No longer should a QB be able to toss a 45 yard pass with nothing more then hope of a official to toss a flag because the WR was touched with a finger. Those penalties are game changers and should not effect the outcome of a game. Make it a 15 yard penalty max!! Also on the other end of it, the ever so run “pick” play should be scrutinized and be called more against the offense. Many teams and QBs have made a career out of that play.. and yes you all know exactly who I am talking about.

  30. 100% fact, the clement fake td in the super bowl, as immediately sen by both announcers on live tv, and everyone who watches the nfl, knows it was not a catch, as it had been called
    incomplete all year long

    simlple facts

  31. The NFL has just screwed this up sooooo badly that now its just a running joke…..how can this nonsense go on year after year…..a catch is a catch

  32. buffalosaint says:
    March 19, 2018 at 11:42 pm
    Honestly what’s wrong with two feet down and control of the ball? Seems to me to be a pretty simple easily replayed, kinda deal. I’m also for replaying PI though so maybe I’m not the best one to talk to. Seems to me that if you’re going to have 40 yard penalties that can change the game you should be able to review them. Two guys running 4.4’s down the field while a 60 year old dude tries to keep up and figure out who pushed who is getting old quick.

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    Two feet down and control of the ball still comes with some amount of time you have to have the ball in your hands. control for a micro second isn’t control. So they should just have to count 1 Mississippi with possession.

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