Troy Vincent outlines potential catch-rule changes

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When it comes to fixing the catch rule, it appears that the NFL didn’t go back to square one. However, the league apparently has decided to put the bus in reverse.

We worked backward,” NFL executive V.P. of football operations Troy Vincent told Mark Maske of the Washington Post. “We looked at plays and said: Do you want that to be a catch? And then we applied that to the rule.”

So what changes could be made?

“Slight movement of the ball, it looks like we’ll reverse that,” Vincent said. “Going to the ground, it looks like that’s going to be eliminated. And we’ll go back to the old replay standard of reverse the call on the field only when it’s indisputable.”

That last line is interesting, to say the least. Recently, the NFL changed the language of the process for overturning a ruling on the field, but not the actual standard. “Indisputable visual evidence” of an error became “clear and obvious evidence” of a mistaken call. The bar, however, should have been no higher or lower.

The reality is that, in the first year that the league office had final say over replay review, the man for whom the procedure was created — Dean Blandino — left the NFL for FOX. His replacement, Al Riveron, often struggled to apply the proper standard in 2017, overturning decisions regarding the catch rule based not on deference to the ruling on the field but a fresh, frame-by-frame look at the play.

In Super Bowl LII, Riveron upheld a pair of Eagles touchdowns that, based on the standard he used during the season, quite possibly would have been overturned.

The best solution to the catch rule would be to exempt entirely from replay review the third element, which requires the player to have the ball for some amount of time before it officially becomes a catch. Since that’s a subjective decision, it should be treated the same as judgment calls like pass interference.

Any proposed rule changes by the NFL’s Competition Committee will be subject to approval by all owners, with at least 24 required to vote in favor of the alteration. If not enough get behind a given proposal, nothing will actually change.

37 responses to “Troy Vincent outlines potential catch-rule changes

  1. Ha ha ha. Troy Vincent is a fool. He has surrounded himself with a bunch of yes men that don’t know how to put on a helmet. As long as he is in charge nothing will get better.

  2. We all know what a catch is! Hell I played High School football and the refs had no problem determining a catch! College football has no problems. The NFL until the Dez Bryant and Calvin Williams calls had no problem. But like the travesty that was the Tuck Rule, the NFL has overcompensated rather than admit that those calls were in error. Now we have to see several replay reviews to determine if a guy caught a ball! It is a joke and typical of the Goodell era!

  3. Zach Ertz caught the ball at the 6 yard line and took several steps and dived for the end zone. If that’s not a TD, there is no point in watching football.

  4. Still too much subjectivity. If the ball hits or even touches the ground at any stage it should be incomplete. Two feet down catch and if lost then its a fumble. Two feet one knee before going out of bounds. Wait…did it not used to be this… why did it ever change!!!

  5. Just wait until someone playing against your favorite team doesn’t secure clear possession, goes down and bobbles the ball as it hits the ground, you’ll be screaming “THATS NOT A CATCH!!!” and controversy will ensue.

    Also, “And we’ll go back to the old replay standard of reverse the call on the field only when it’s indisputable.” ummm, was that not still the standard? Weren’t only calls that had clear indisputable evidence supposed to be overturned? I mean, obviously that’s not how it always worked but wasn’t that always the letter of the rule? Why would you ever write a rule that says “overturn a call if you can’t tell what actually happened on replay”? I didn’t realize that phrasing was ever in question.

    Man, the NFL just loves to make such basic things so unnecessarily complicated.

  6. Good thing we got this genius on the case. It’s amazing he has a job anywhere after Deflategate fiasco. If Troy paid better attention when they taught the ideal gas law in physics class we could have avoided the whole debacle.

  7. Vincent further stated that this rule that will be implemented would’ve called Dez’s and James a catch….which anyone with some football knowledge could see were catches.

  8. Y’all blamed Kensil, bit Vincent was the driving force behind Deflategate. As Kensil’s boss, Vincent was in the locker room for the ball weighing and made the call to go after the Pats. Loves to talk to the media, leaked the story to Mortensen, then tried to placate Kraft by firing Kensil. Its a miracle that this guy still has a job.

  9. beerbaron says:
    March 20, 2018 at 2:57 pm

    Good thing we got this genius on the case. It’s amazing he has a job anywhere after Deflategate fiasco. If Troy paid better attention when they taught the ideal gas law in physics class we could have avoided the whole debacle.
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    That fraud was going to happen no matter what. Besides, they knew what was going on when they started to measure the Colts footballs, and realized they had to stop before they recorded more evidence of the scam.

  10. “In addition, all passes by the Jets in which the ball bounces off their receiver’s helmet shall still be ruled a catch so long as Yakety Sax is played over the P.A. system within 10 seconds of the whistle.”

  11. tbisgod says:
    March 20, 2018 at 3:31 pm

    Y’all blamed Kensil, bit Vincent was the driving force behind Deflategate. As Kensil’s boss, Vincent was in the locker room for the ball weighing and made the call to go after the Pats. Loves to talk to the media, leaked the story to Mortensen, then tried to placate Kraft by firing Kensil. Its a miracle that this guy still has a job.
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    Kensil was the driving force, since he has a grudge against Belichick and the Patriots. He also still works for the NFL, he just got exiled to points unknown.

  12. “Slight movement of the ball, it looks like we’ll reverse that.”

    AMEN!

    When you have to slow the play down to 1/1000 of a second to see the ball move, that is not a “drop.” There are sports that are that technical, and one of them is figure skating.

  13. Zach Ertz caught the ball at the 6 yard line and took several steps and dived for the end zone. If that’s not a TD, there is no point in watching football.
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    Dez caught it and took 2 steps then dove (not dived) into the endzone too whats your point?

  14. When was the last time you told your boss what to do? The grudge is a bunch of bs, Kensil was fired by Tannenbaum and is no fan of the Jets.

  15. Scrolled right to the comments section. I can’t read one more article about what’s a catch and what isn’t. Please insert common sense into the rule and move on.

  16. I’ve been watching NFL football for almost 50 years, and before Goodell took over, the league had no problem determining what is and what is not a catch.

  17. Yes! Thank you! That would be much better. Just eliminate the going to the ground idiocy, and then at least we can have a football argument about the minor details. That going to the ground routine wasn’t even football. If there’s a tiny bit of movement within the hands, but the receiver is clearly in 100% control of the football, then he’s in 100% control of the football. How much movement is too much? Well, I guess that will be the variable we can all fight about. As long as nobody is fixing games, I can live with a slight amount of honest imperfection. But very slight.

  18. vusnu says:
    March 20, 2018 at 4:05 pm

    “Slight movement of the ball, it looks like we’ll reverse that” – Exactly what does that even mean?
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    It means they are going to get rid of the ridiculous part of the rule that negates a catch if the ball is moving slightly.

  19. Zach Ertz caught the ball at the 6 yard line and took several steps and dived for the end zone. If that’s not a TD, there is no point in watching football.
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    Dez caught it and took 2 steps then dove (not dived) into the endzone too whats your point?
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    He very clearly made his point. You’re the one that brought up another situation that has nothing to do with his comment, so I’m actually not sure what your point is. Also, dived and dove can be used interchangeably. You’re thinking of drived and drove.

  20. Zach Ertz caught the ball at the 6 yard line and took several steps and dived for the end zone. If that’s not a TD, there is no point in watching football.
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    Dez caught it and took 2 steps then dove (not dived) into the endzone too whats your point?

    He didn’t cross the plan. and he didn’t take two steps. He was falling trying to stay up, then fell an dove prior to the end zone, hit the ground and fumbled.

    Zac broke the plane by taking 3 steps on his own power. By that rule alone its a touchdown.

  21. LoL I love how all the Patriot fans have to still cry about deflate-gate. They bring it up no matter what the subject is. Was that a catch? I don’t know but the NFL is out to get Brady and the Pats and don’t understand science. LMAO. Pat’s got caught cheating…..get over it. LoL.

  22. cboys4life2014 says:
    March 20, 2018 at 3:53 pm
    Zach Ertz caught the ball at the 6 yard line and took several steps and dived for the end zone. If that’s not a TD, there is no point in watching football.
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    Dez caught it and took 2 steps then dove (not dived) into the endzone too whats your point?

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    Ertz had become a runner and when he broke the plane, the play was over. He didn’t lose control until after he broke the plane as a runner.

    Dez’s non-catch was called correctly per the rule but the rule was, and is, terrible. Proper application of a terrible rule is just as bad, if not worse, than improper application of a rule that makes sense.

    Hopefully this time around it will make more sense AND be applied properly, although I won’t hold my breath.

  23. Anybody who watched Dez play throughout his career saw countless times Dez catch passes near the goal line and dive for the end zone once his feet touched the ground and the catch in GB was no different no matter how many of you clowns chime in

  24. pointtwopsiistheissue says:
    March 20, 2018 at 5:42 pm

    So TWO Eagles TD’s should not have COUNTED! So looks like the Eagles only won because the NFL CHEATED!!
    Put an asterisk next to that win!
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    Yeah, that’s the ticket . . .

  25. More complicated than Quantum Physics- unbelievable how these klowns keep driving this car around without solving anything –

  26. Dez caught it and took 2 steps then dove (not dived) into the endzone too whats your point?

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    Dez’s two steps, if you can call it that, were in the process of going to the ground. In other words, he was falling as soon as the catch was made. Ertz on the other hand, took 3 or 4 steps before the hit which caused him to go to the ground. Big difference. That’s his point.

  27. jaymatt says:

    March 20, 2018 at 8:15 pm

    Dez caught it and took 2 steps then dove (not dived) into the endzone too whats your point?

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    Dez’s two steps, if you can call it that, were in the process of going to the ground. In other words, he was falling as soon as the catch was made. …….

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    By these words above, you agree Dez made the catch.

  28. Irish Hoodlum says:
    March 20, 2018 at 4:45 pm
    LoL I love how all the Patriot fans have to still cry about deflate-gate. They bring it up no matter what the subject is. Was that a catch? I don’t know but the NFL is out to get Brady and the Pats and don’t understand science. LMAO. Pat’s got caught cheating…..get over it. LoL.

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    and there is a tooth fairy

    a santa claus

    the world is flat

    man, people are so stupid

    fact: pats have never been “caught”..they have been framed to try to stop them to steal picks

    you idiots got what you wanted

    if their 1st rd picks are on the field in sb 46 and sb 52; they probably win them both

    cheating is cheating and some owners and goodell have colluded to do so

    well documented at this point

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