Kneeling issue arises during Bengals’ meeting with Eric Reid

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Over the years, the Bengals have looked the other way on a variety of actual and alleged criminal activities when signing, drafting, and/or keeping players. When it comes to one specific type of conduct that is neither illegal nor a violation of any applicable rule or provision of the relationship between the NFL and its players, that could be where Bengals owner Mike Brown draws the line.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Brown personally met with Reid when Reid visited the Bengals on Monday. Brown, according to the source, initiated discussion regarding the issue of kneeling during the anthem. The conversation almost exclusively centered on the topic, with Brown explaining that he intends to prohibit it — and with Brown at one point asking Reid for his response.

Reid, caught off guard by the line of questioning, wasn’t willing to make a commitment on the spot. Last month, Reid said he’s currently not planning to kneel or otherwise demonstrate during the anthem. But Reid, who is considering other options for bringing attention to societal issues he considers to be important, hasn’t made any final decisions, and he wasn’t willing to do so at the direct request and behest of Brown.

After the meeting with Brown, Reid took a physical and spent time reviewing film with members of the coaching staff. He developed a clear sense that the coaches (specifically, defensive coordinator Teryl Austin) were interested in signing Reid and weren’t concerned about whether he’d kneel or otherwise demonstrate during the anthem or at any other time. Late in the visit, however, coach Marvin Lewis asked Reid if he wants to clarify anything that Reid told ownership regarding the anthem. Reid said that he had no clarifications or changes to make to what he had said, and the visit ended not long after that without an offer being made to Reid.

Reached for comment by PFT regarding the alleged interactions between Brown and Reid, the Bengals provided the following statement: “The Club conducts many interviews with players throughout the year. The Club views these interviews as confidential and does not comment on them.”

172 responses to “Kneeling issue arises during Bengals’ meeting with Eric Reid

  1. GM: “Mr. Reid, have you ever kneeled?”

    Reid: “Yes sir, I have”

    GM: “GTFO of my office…and have a great day”

  2. I see no issue with this at all. Reid put himself out there by protesting. His prospective employers are concerned about him doing it again and may not want to hire him because of it. He could have stated, “No I don’t plan to kneel” and may have likely received an offer. However he did not commit to an answer and they did not commit to him.

  3. So the owner who will hire just about any criminal and sexual abuser now wants to make a principled stand?

  4. Good for ownership. They are running a business and a brand. There are others wya to get your message across outside if hijacking your ownership’s platform and brand.

  5. Why wouldn’t Lewis do Browns bidding? He’s a rich man because of Brown, not his leadership abilities, or winning.

  6. Multiple Bengals players have been involved in criminal activity or dirty play, but hey, at least they didn’t bring awareness to pressing social issues and use their platform for a good cause, right?

    What an absolute pos.

  7. I hope the Niners match the offer. If we are planning on building a secondary like the Seahawks, I don’t feel comfortable with only Tartt, Colbert and Ward (who they are thinking about moving to corner) being the only safeties on the roster right now.

  8. Of course it did. Because part of the job is honoring our country. And we do that before games by standing for the anthem. It’s not rocket science. The alternative is to have a job where standing for the anthem is not required. So good luck Reid, I think you’ve entered that segment of the workforce now.

  9. Well I’m certain now that his kneeling for the anthem has nothing to do with his unemployment.

  10. Nothing in this story is surprising except Reid being caught off guard by the line of questioning.

  11. “Are you cool with not doing something that will REALLY anger our customers and cost us business?” Seems like a reasonable enough thing to ask someone you might be paying a lot of money to play a game many watch thinking it will be a fun sporting event rather than Real Time with Bill Maher.

  12. Before people start falsely saying Reid is not working because he plays like crap and it’s not political, this from Peter King:

    I am looking at the safety rankings on Pro Football Focus right now. Reid was the 21st-rated safety (among 89 strong/free safeties) graded by PFF in 2017. He was ranked ahead of Devin McCourty, Eric Weddle, Tony Jefferson, Jamal Adams, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Malik Hooker and Reggie Nelson in 2017. Do you believe that if any of those players were on the free-agent market right now they would not have had gotten offers four weeks into free agency?

  13. If the owner has an issue with him kneeling, why even bring him in for a visit? Mike Brown is an idiot for doing this and the Bengal faithful deserve better.

  14. As it should be discussed – if you want to kneel during the honoring of our national flag, owners of their business might be inclined, due to that kneeling stance, to not give you a job because it reduces incoming business. I am not sure why we have to hide that fact.

  15. It is a dam shame that nobody gives a crap of why the players even respectfully demonstrated before the games. Sure, this is America Boy, land of the free home of the brave – just as long as you don’t practice it, we’ll get along fine!

  16. It is about money…Owners want happy fans…What is wrong with that?…It is their business, not mine.

  17. OMG imagine the audacity of an owner wanting clarification as to how an employee is going to act while “on the job” before he offers him Millions of dollars….what has the world come to??

  18. Good for you Mike, obviously this guy’s nothing but a troublemaker as he would have been the one leaking the information.

  19. I think Reid is going to learn that is how real life works. Actions have consequences. If I were him, I’d stand for the anthem and find ways in my own time to protest.

  20. This guy isn’t good enough to take a chance on. He and Kaepernick can go fishing together. The league doesn’t need them and, in my opinion, is better off without them.

  21. Hey Reid – If you want a job lets not leak info from our private interview – capiche? Signed – any boss in the world.

  22. Name one owner who wants a player any player for any reason kneeling during the National Anthem. And who would chose to bring that back? Reid needs to do his protesting in a more appropriate place or he just may not have the NFL platform to do anything for anybody anymore. Freedom of choice. But not freedom from consequences. This should be a no brainer. And Florio making that weak comparison, biased comparison, to manipulate the situation. Im certain the Bengals asked players with criminal records or bad actions, whether or not they would continue such behavior prior to signing or keeping them. And the players wisely did not say-aahh let me think about it. Perhaps I will.

  23. Assuming said “source” is accurate, at least Reid was up front about it when asked.

    Also, the irony of giving Reid, a guy with a clean on- and off-field track record, the 5th degree over this while awarding a guy like Burfict a contract extension last year is delicious. How these owners pander to the lowest common denominator of NFL fandom by obsessing over this stuff is a joke.

  24. I don’t mind it. Shocked that Reid didnt expect a question on the subject. Kneeling at this point just distracts from the issue. I’m just happy Brown didn’t ask something more embarrassing like if he could back up at TE too.

    If I was an owner I would publicly say my players can’t kneel. Take the PR hit and let your guys focus on football and relieve them of that pressure.

  25. When you put on a team uniform, you are at work. All teams have a right to tell you to leave your political views at home. It’s that simple. They have every right to ask a player who they are about to pay millions too if they plan on taking some form of protest while representing the team.

  26. It’s well within the owner’s rights to refuse to employ someone whom may be a distraction to football…. you know… the game these guys are being paid to play.

    Reid is talented, he likely would be employed right now if it weren’t for the distraction factor.

  27. The league is a joke that it does NOT have a rule outlawing kneeling by the players. Now they are left with this stuff. The teams have to take care of this crap themselves.

  28. I won’t kneel… if it may cost me money.

    I won’t commit to not kneeling, because maybe I can squeeze you
    for more money later, because you don’t want me to kneel.

  29. Very few employers would allow you to have a personal protest at work that offends over 70% of your paying customers.

    If Reid wants to protest he should do it on his own time.

  30. I feel like both sides are overblowing this whole kneeling thing. Why do people care so much about what other people freely choose to do? Why should players be forced to stand? Why should owners be forced to sign a player they don’t want to sign for whatever reason he or she wants?

    Liberty, my friends, liberty. Two way street. Stop getting butthurt about what others are doing when they don’t affect you at all.

  31. The sad thing about it is he clearly on record saying he won’t be taking a knee anymore.Yet We have rapist, child abusers, women beaters, drug users, alcoholics who some people are actually ok with them still playing football and collecting a check over a guy like Eric Reid who peacefully protested and didn’t harm a soul. Lol its ridiculous when you really take a step back and think about.

  32. Reid needs to get tested for CTE. Who goes to a interview then calls a reporter to say everything that was said. Including contradicting him self in regards to Kneeling. Reid contradicts him self constantly. When he said that he is fine with the consequences of kneeling. Then Reid whines about nobody wants to sign me. Then proceeds to tell the world about the private conversations he had with the owner of the first interview he got. 🤦‍♂️ Reid this is why he prolly won’t get signed. It’s about Reid not football to this man.

  33. The Bengals organization is acknowledging Eric Reid might be an asset to them on the football field by bringing him in for an interview. Team owner Mike Brown is clearly concerned Reid will be a liability to his (and the team’s) finances before the whistle sounds because a substantial number of his customers are in opposition to Reid’s previously demonstrated behavior.

    The owner will almost certainly look at this as a case of “the customer is always right”.

  34. Check it out, the dudes been crying that he hasn’t had any interest and then the Bengals throw him a life preserver and what does he do but leak information to the media? What possible good can come of this? Maybe when he found out that he wasnt going to get the offer he needed to save face by putting this out there? At best it’s unprofessional, at worst, it clearly shows Reid has not learned anything from this offseason and is probably going to find it hard to stay employed with the NFL. Of course there is two sides to the story so what he leaked may have been a total lie. Even if Brown asked him about it, without question it should have stayed between them. I think besides the answer he allegedly gave, the Bengals were pleased with what they’ve seen of Reid and Marvin even gave him one last chance to clarify his stance. At this point if it’s all true this guy has NOTHING to whine about.

  35. Didn’t the bungals sign Taylor Mays after we cut him. Reid is keeping good company. Buh bye chump.

  36. If you’re an owner the conversation is very easy…all employees are required to stand for the national anthem, the organization will support you in your endeavors off the field to raise awareness to X.

  37. if u Haven’t Broken the Law..u need at least One Felony to play here..kneeling isn’t gonna cut it !!!. be more like pac-man ..otherwise We Don’t think your a good fit for our team…The Bungels..

  38. footballpat says:
    April 11, 2018 at 9:48 am
    Before people start falsely saying Reid is not working because he plays like crap and it’s not political, this from Peter King:
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    He is not getting a job because he kneeled. he is good enough to get a job but fans like me dont want to watch this guy. If you want to kneel during the honoring of our national flag, owners of their business might be inclined, due to that kneeling stance, to not give you a job because it reduces incoming business. I am not sure why we have to hide that fact.

  39. Yeah bc the Eagles protesting were a HUGE distraction. Boy did their season go in the tank. The fans REALLY looked alienated. Hilarious how people will go out of their way to rationalize obvious racism.

  40. removeemotion says:
    April 11, 2018 at 9:59 am
    HOW MANY OF YOU GUYS SAY THE ATHEM BEFORE WORK? SHUT UP THEN
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    Oooooo…..
    Scary!

  41. So, let me get this straight.

    The folks who support the kneelers support their rights to protest while at the same time disparage the owners of the teams who won’t hire them, by basically saying they don’t have the right to run their business?

    So apparently, you’re all for people having rights, only as long as they’re in line with how you think? I thought we wanted everyone to have equal rights? Am I missing something?

    Guess what, those guys can protest and the owners can refuse to hire them because of that. That’s how actions and consequences work, it’s fairly basic.

  42. Not at all surprised. The Bengals had no players kneel throughout the year, and when other teams were doing mass demonstrations, (Cowboys all kneeling pre-anthem, Steelers staying in the locker room) the Bengals stood with linked arms. Also, while other owners strongly denounced trumP’s anti-player comments, Brown did not. The fact that they brought Reid in to begin with was odd considering Brown’s apparent stance.

    It’s a shame because Reid could help the Bengals on the field, and it sends a poor message when the team is historically ok with unsavory behavior but apparently draws the line here. Reid has claimed his availability is due to kneeling, and by Brown entering that line of questioning so prominently, it gives Reid’s claim some validity. It’ll be interesting to see if this incident is used in either the Kaepernick suit or if Reid files a similar one.

  43. If I knew a potential EMPLOYEE had done something at a previous employment that we did not condone I would have every right to ask about it. He’s at work, he can protest on his time not while he’s being paid as an employee and representing the organization. I love how this gets made about rights, it’s rights alright, the employers!

  44. grumpysal says:
    April 11, 2018 at 10:30 am
    So, let me get this straight.

    The folks who support the kneelers support their rights to protest while at the same time disparage the owners of the teams who won’t hire them, by basically saying they don’t have the right to run their business?

    So apparently, you’re all for people having rights, only as long as they’re in line with how you think? I thought we wanted everyone to have equal rights? Am I missing something?

    Guess what, those guys can protest and the owners can refuse to hire them because of that. That’s how actions and consequences work, it’s fairly basic.

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    Yup….SJWs are all for free speech unless they disagree with what you have to say. Then they want you silenced. If you don’t acquiesce they will call you names (racist) and shout you down.

  45. PrincePaul says:
    I hope the Niners match the offer. If we are planning on building a secondary like the Seahawks, I don’t feel comfortable with only Tartt, Colbert and Ward (who they are thinking about moving to corner) being the only safeties on the roster right now.
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    There may be 2 pretty good safeties on the board when the Niners pick at 9 (Fitzpatrick and James)

  46. The Bengals owner also wonders why Reid can’t be more like the model citizen Adam PAC Man Jones!!.?!

  47. All this talk about kneeling and nothing about Kap and his being questioned by lawyers yesterday.

  48. Why are people so personally offended by actions perceived as disrespectful to the United States of America? Would they feel the same way if players were kneeling to protest high federal income tax rates for player salaries?

  49. removeemotion says:

    April 11, 2018 at 9:59 am

    HOW MANY OF YOU GUYS SAY THE ATHEM BEFORE WORK? SHUT UP THEN
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    To the low IQ people out there…. YOU DON’T PROTEST ON THE JOB!!! Especially when you rely on the fans for $$$$$$$$.

    PROTEST ON YOUR OWN TIME… its that simple!!!

  50. removeemotion says:
    April 11, 2018 at 9:59 am
    HOW MANY OF YOU GUYS SAY THE ATHEM BEFORE WORK? SHUT UP THEN

    —————–

    1. No organization is asking any player to say the “athem”.
    2. The irony of getting yelled at to SHUT UP for expressing an opinion is too good.

  51. Memorial in Montgomery, AL opens April 26, 2018. Bring the kids, ‘Sunday bear’s attire is optional.

  52. Reid is either not very smart or does not want to play in the NFL. it is Very Obvious that teams do not want to sign him if he is going to continue kneeling during anthem.

  53. Good for the Bengals. I would make the same decision if I were a team owner (and I wouldn’t need to collude with anyone to make the decision).

  54. removeemotion says:
    April 11, 2018 at 9:59 am
    HOW MANY OF YOU GUYS SAY THE ATHEM BEFORE WORK? SHUT UP THEN
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    If we did do the anthem before work and my employer didn’t want me to take a knee during it I’d probably comply to ensure I keep my job.

  55. Reid is a fool to not have been prepared for that sort of question, and his agent is a bigger fool if he/she did not inform Reid of the possibility. The kneeling is a major point of controversy in the NFL, the type of controversy they don’t like. Whether or not it is an appropriate line of questioning is in the eye of the beholder….it’s not like anyone here is going to argue a point that will change anyone else’s opinion on it.

    I am proud of the US Flag and National Anthem, and personally would never kneel while the Anthem is being played. But I also would not suppress one’s right to express their opinion as these players did by kneeling. After all, that is exactly what the flag stands for.

    Read the words of the Pledge of Allegiance….”to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all”. In fact the players used their liberty, of which the flag symbolizes, to protest that another thing the flag symbolizes, “justice for all”, is falling short in our society. It’s a paradox.

    However at some point common sense needs to enter into the equation. The League has offered financial assistance to help players get out in their communities and try to make a difference, which is a direct result of their protests, which proves the protests were not an exercise in futility. But unless and until these avenues are taken and exhausted, then in my view any future kneeling is just complaining for the sake of complaining.

    Getting back to the issue at hand with the Bengals… kneeling is instant controversy….and at this point the underlying question asked is “are you going to create controvesry here?”

    Any player that knelt in the past should expect this question.

  56. That so many people here and elsewhere will gleefully, vigorously defame, dehumanize, and insult a real human being over their own perception of a symbolic object/act says everything we need to know about what a lot of people in this country think of the actual *people* who make up the fabric of this country.

    The flag’s a symbol. The anthem’s a ritual. But our country is people, and they matter most.

  57. nhpats says:
    April 11, 2018 at 10:38 am

    Yup….SJWs are all for free speech unless they disagree with what you have to say. Then they want you silenced. If you don’t acquiesce they will call you names (racist) and shout you down.

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    And in this way they are exactly like the people who froth at the mouth at every incident of kneeling and anthem protest and reflexively call the people involved un-American, America-haters, military haters, etc.

  58. On top of his childish immature and disrespecting of the flag,anthem and nation, reid is an awful safety. He can’t cover anyone on pass plays. He’s just as bad on run plays,whiffing,out of position. He’s so awful at safety that he lost his job and was turned into a lb. Then he got exposed and was thrown all over the defense trying to see what if anything he’s good at. He’s had several concussions and missed lots of games. Reid is garbage. Why sign a bust, when we can draft a safety for cheap and get better results.

  59. The media continues to fan the fire. Even after America has already spoken and the majority has let it be known what they think of people who kneel.

  60. The media is hypocritical.

    Players and coaches are entitled to their beliefs. The media types like Peter King laud players that kneel during the anthem but criticize owners who choose not have players who protest in this way at the beginning of their weekly production, NFL games.

    Reid may be a principled person, but he chose the wrong venue to protest his discontent.

  61. It is perfectly legitimate to pass on offering a contract for non-football reasons. People who disrespect the flag of the United States and the country itself by kneeling during the national anthem are not a protected class.

  62. youngnoizecom says:
    April 11, 2018 at 11:02 am
    Owners continue to build Kap’s collusion case and I love it!!
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    32 people having the same opinion on a matter isn’t collusion. All 32 owners can decide not to employ Kap and it can even be because of the Protest. That still doesn’t make it collusion. It means that 32 like-minded people have come to a similar conclusion for similar reasons.

  63. grumpysal says:
    April 11, 2018 at 10:30 am
    Guess what, those guys can protest and the owners can refuse to hire them because of that. That’s how actions and consequences work, it’s fairly basic.
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    Nothing basic about it. Protesting inequality is a fundementally knoble and humanitarian persuit. Punishing it is at best being cowardly. The unions of this country protested working conditions and brought you the weekend.

    Stop Deflecting

  64. Funny, that line of questioning proves the collusion for both Kaepernick and Reid. Great for Reid to be a stand up man with real character and principles. He was honest and didn’t say anything to make someone happy while not being honest with them or himself. If Reid doesn’t get the job and its true that he’s rated 27th out of 81 safeties then his point is made.

  65. Reed did this as part of an NFL TEAM TV event which reflects on everyone in the NFL. Thus it is a work related activity and anyone interviewing for a job should be ready to explain his past work related activities. No big deal for either-side.

  66. @kamthechancellor says:

    Of course it did. Because part of the job is honoring our country. And we do that before games by standing for the anthem. It’s not rocket science. The alternative is to have a job where standing for the anthem is not required. So good luck Reid, I think you’ve entered that segment of the workforce now.
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    It’s not required nor is it part of the players contract or the CBA. NFL owners should be very wary of their privileged status with regards to anti-trust exemption. They are allowed to extort municipalities and taxpayers for the purpose of building their stadiums. Many of the taxpayers won’t be able to ever set foot inside the stadium.

  67. PrincePaul says:
    April 11, 2018 at 9:41 am

    I hope the Niners match the offer. If we are planning on building a secondary like the Seahawks, I don’t feel comfortable with only Tartt, Colbert and Ward (who they are thinking about moving to corner) being the only safeties on the roster right now.
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    Since no offer was made it would be pretty simple to match it,
    Hey Eric, we have a zero dollar contract offer to match the Bengals’, how about it, want to play for free?

  68. kevpft says:
    April 11, 2018 at 11:16 am
    nhpats says:
    April 11, 2018 at 10:38 am

    Yup….SJWs are all for free speech unless they disagree with what you have to say. Then they want you silenced. If you don’t acquiesce they will call you names (racist) and shout you down.

    ===============

    And in this way they are exactly like the people who froth at the mouth at every incident of kneeling and anthem protest and reflexively call the people involved un-American, America-haters, military haters, etc.

    ———–

    Somewhat. But here is the difference. People have a right to express their opinions and to free speech….on their own time. When someone is working, they represent the company and enterprise for which they work. They do not have the same rights in the workplace as they do on their own time. To the extent that an employee takes liberties to promote his own opinions and those expression damage the company’s brand or alienate customers, the employee has crossed a line and may very well no longer be deserving of employment.

    So let me ask you, where did any of these players get the idea that they had a right to express their personal political opinions while they are working?

  69. “Caught off guard by the line of questioning”? Could he be any more disingenuous? He absolutely knew he would be questioned about this. But if you are trying to reinforce that you are a victim, being “Caught off guard by the line of questioning” does have a pretty solid ring to it.

  70. Just like a regular job for most of us. You do your job and keep beliefs/politics out of it! You do that stuff on your own time. What a jerk!

  71. A shame that a talented athlete got roped into endangering his career by some self-serving Activist for partisan political reasons.

  72. This PR mess for the NFL will eventually end, albeit in a couple years. As the contracts expire for those choosing to disrespect this great nation, they will be gone. If any of them have any measure of character, we will hopefully read stories about the difference they are making in their communities, but I won’t hold my breath.

  73. “The folks who support the kneelers support their rights to protest while at the same time disparage the owners of the teams who won’t hire them, by basically saying they don’t have the right to run their business?”

    I have no problem with the protests and the players exercising their freedom of choice. I have no problem with an owner who doesn’t want to offend a lot of his paying customers, even though I disagree with those customers myself.

    How’s that?

  74. Apparently there are a lot of people that don’t understand what the word collusion means. Kind of sad that you can post on social media, but can’t make use of any of the free online dictionaries. An individual team deciding not to sign him for protesting is not collusion, and this does nothing to “prove the collusion” case. Collusion would be all of the teams, deciding together as a group, agreeing not to sign him. Niners offered him a contract, he declined. No collusion.

  75. Brown wanted Kaep……

    The big irony here of course, is that back in the 2011 draft Mike Brown wanted Kaepernick ahead of Andy Dalton.

    Marvin Lewis and the coaches won that argument and the Bengals selected Dalton.

    Interesting to think what Browns’ reaction would have been if Kaep was his starting QB and knelt before each game !

  76. Butch350 says:
    April 11, 2018 at 9:49 am
    It is a dam shame that nobody gives a crap of why the players even respectfully demonstrated before the games. Sure, this is America Boy, land of the free home of the brave – just as long as you don’t practice it, we’ll get along fine!

    _____________________________________________________

    People do give a crap and do understand. They just don’t agree
    It’s about fake oppression that doesn’t exist and it’s about letting criminals out of prison because of the color of their skin which in some social circles is called racism.

  77. @7timechamp says:

    The media continues to fan the fire. Even after America has already spoken and the majority has let it be known what they think of people who kneel.
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    Media? How about Mike Brown and The Bengals fanning the fire? America has spoken on both sides of the issue. Majority? Was it voted upon? The majority that you speak about don’t give a rat’s a– about anyone or anybody. That’s been made perfectly clear by what’s happened in this country the last few years. Supposed they kneel for the students and other victims of mass murders? Then what?

  78. It will be intresting to see if the protests continue in 2018….I believe they will and another season of controversy, anger by the fans & the decline of NFL intrests will continue. On a side not, I wouldnt be surprised if the Eagles sign him…Mr Lurie let players protest & everthing STILl worked out well for them.

  79. As an employer, I have certain rights, one of them being I can dictate workplace behavior, within the law. The same goes when in the corporate uniform. IF I choose to decree that, for the first half hour of work daily, a pink Tutu and a lime green body suit are the company uniform, and I provide them, and all employees must do yoga in the parking lot in front of the building, that is my right. (that visual hurts the eyes, LOL). The employees have the right to refuse and quit/be fired.
    For you saying that he has the right to kneel, check with your local Fedex or UPS guy about what actions are governed under his UNION contract concerning his actions on the job/in uniform. You might be surprised how stringent they are.

  80. J will says:
    “April 11, 2018 at 11:48 am
    Well now…here’s the smoking gun for the collusion case.”

    ——

    Sorry, that’s not how collusion works. Two, or more owners, would have to actively conspire to keep Reid out.

    What you have is ONE owner deciding he doesn’t want yet another PR disaster. Something he’s had one too many of over the past few years.

  81. So Reid if fine with saying he wouldn’t kneel, but is upset when the owner & coach was him to say it to them? What kind of game is he playing – trying to be cute? Nowadays a lot of people are fired due to Facebook rants or other social media and this owner dares to ask if Reid meant what he said? Bye Bye. We watch the game for entertainment not a lecture.

  82. Last month, Reid said he’s currently not planning to kneel or otherwise demonstrate during the anthem. But Reid, who is considering other options for bringing attention to societal issues he considers to be important, hasn’t made any final decisions, and he wasn’t willing to do so at the direct request and behest of Brown.

    What I want to know is what is he doing to bring attention to societal issues when he’s not on an NFL field? My guess is exactly nothing. He’s just doing it for the publicity. His response to Brown will likely make other teams not want him at any price.

  83. I love how people are quoting Peter King. Here’s what you sacrifice when you make political statements, like King does regularly: it shows your NOT an objective journalist (which used to be an oxymoron when journalism was taking seriously). Sorry, Peter. But I can’t take you seriously. Maybe you’re saying that ONLY because of your own political views? The notion that he’s not signed for ONE reason and one reason only is pretty ridiculous. NFL “contracts” are pretty much year to year. If Malcom Jenkins — who has done some similar things Reid — were cut, he’d be gobbled up because he’s much better at football.

  84. Tomorrow he’ll announce he won’t kneel in the hopes some team will sign him. Then when the season starts he’ll change his mind and be even more disruptive. Sorry. Demonstrate on your own time, not during an NFL game.

    Maybe Kaep will give you a job.

  85. Lots of folks (most) in this country aren’t allowed to protest on their employers’ time. Go protest on your day off.

    “I love how people are quoting Peter King. Here’s what you sacrifice when you make political statements, like King does regularly: it shows your NOT an objective journalist (which used to be an oxymoron when journalism was taking seriously). Sorry, Peter. But I can’t take you seriously. Maybe you’re saying that ONLY because of your own political views? The notion that he’s not signed for ONE reason and one reason only is pretty ridiculous. NFL “contracts” are pretty much year to year.”

    Couldn’t agree with this more.

  86. The XLF can’t get here fast enough. I hope Cleveland ends up with a team.
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    They already have one.

  87. Mike Brown should have been smart enough not to bring him in to start with. His coaches, who probably put in hours of time studying his playing ability and how he would fit the team were the ones blindsided and disrespected, by their owner. The Bengals are a joke of a team and it starts with ownership.

  88. See I don’t understand where all the upset people are coming from this is not a civil service job he does not have rights to work in the NFL this is a private industry with private owners who can choose to hire whom ever they want based on your abilities, actions and character.

  89. The Bengals, who are my fave team, are just a laughingstock IMO.

    Rather than concerning themselves with the reality that the Red Rifle is a dud, they’re concerned about a prospective player’s social conscience?

    Joe Mixon is fine to bounce female heads off tables, but a player can’t take a stand against the institutionalized racism within the American “justice” system and the innumerable summary executions conducted by LEOs DAILY in America?

    Just wow.

  90. If you are a principled individual and you make it a point to stand by said principles than you have no room to whine when there are repercussions.

  91. If you take a stand on social issues, attacking half of America, be prepared for the consequences sure to follow. Unlike the Sensitive Justice Warriors, we who work every day from 5-3, understand our place. No social media campaign insures our livelihood nor does stomping our feet.

  92. Couple things. How do you know the players with prior crimes. Were not asked about it in their interviews

    Also, the crimes were not committed at work while on the job. The protests were.

  93. My questions is…why would Reid or his agent leak the info of a private meeting? The team already has an issue with him and now you compound it by leaking what was supposed to be a confidential meeting. IMO it only makes Reid look worse. I’m sorry, but in a business where classified info needs to stay classified I can’t hire a guy who runs to the press with everything he doesn’t like or agree with.
    Stay unemployed

  94. The same people who insist that Kaepernick isn’t black-balled because owners don’t factor kneeling into their player acquisition strategy…are here explicitly celebrating ownership factoring kneeling into their player acquisitions.

    You all are mind boggling.

  95. They made a decision that had nothing to do with football or personal conduct, bad football and business move. Also I see a ton of stupid comments about not whining when we made a choice. Where in this article does it say Reid was whining? Nowhere, morons.

    C’mon vikes go sign this guy!

  96. And good for Reid for sticking with his principals instead of selling out! That’s a real man with real character, unlike all the desk-jockies anonymously spouting their opinions hiding behind their computer screens.

  97. Not BuyingIt says:
    April 11, 2018 at 1:26 pm
    If you take a stand on social issues, attacking half of America, be prepared for the consequences sure to follow. Unlike the Sensitive Justice Warriors, we who work every day from 5-3, understand our place. No social media campaign insures our livelihood nor does stomping our feet.

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    I’m curious about exactly how you were attacked by someone kneeling?

  98. The issue here isn’t whether the NFL can force players to stand (they can), nor is it whether NFL teams can choose not to employ players that protested in the past (they can).

    The problem here is the notion that employing such players will alienate a portion of the fan base. If that’s true, why is it true? Why are people so personally offended that players choose speak symbolically by kneeling during the playing of another symbol? What about this makes people so mad? Why aren’t those people directing anger at people in the stands at the stadium who don’t bother to take off their hats or stand up from their seats while the national anthem is played? My guess is that “national pride” is mere pretext for “I don’t like the opposition-to-police-brutality-against-black-people rationale behind the protests.”

    The issue here isn’t constitutional–it’s moral.

  99. That’s a good point by @arzcardinals. Why would Reid or his agent leak what happened in this meeting? All that would do is tick off the Bengals and any other team that may have wanted to talk to him.

  100. I am retired now, but in my workplace, I did NOT have free speech. I could not make any political statements, or demonstrate without the consent of the employer. Period. That is the rule, and it is the same for the NFL as any other employer.

  101. “Mr. Reid, studies have shown that people who disrespect the flag are losers. We only want winners are our team, so your request to be on our team is denied. Have a nice day.”

  102. Why do people get so offended by players kneeling but don’t have an issue with fans that are buying beer,talking,and booing during the playing of the anthem? I just can’t figure that out.

  103. Does anyone want to stop, use their brains, check the easily accessible statistics and actually realize the Bengals fall in the bottom quarter of the league in arrests the last ten years? Also they cut Pacman so – that would mean they now have exactly zero criminals on the team. People just love to drive this made up narrative into the dirt.

  104. We’ll offer you a contract if you agree with my personal political views. This is America to some of you people? SMH

  105. The NFL should tell the players to protest all they want…..
    ON THEIR OWN TIME!!!!!!!! My company isn’t going to pay me to protest on their time. There is a time and place for everything. May they should focus on being productive players.

  106. @bengaljuice says:

    Does anyone want to stop, use their brains, check the easily accessible statistics and actually realize the Bengals fall in the bottom quarter of the league in arrests the last ten years? Also they cut Pacman so – that would mean they now have exactly zero criminals on the team. People just love to drive this made up narrative into the dirt.
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    I guess after a dozen or so legal entanglements, I guess it’s hard to forget that Pac-Man was a Bungal. And if Burfict is on the roster…his acts have been criminal except they occurred on the football field. It’s also about integrity and clearly the Bengals have none.

  107. The NFL doesn’t pay players, the teams do… If an employer has issues with how you conduct yourself “at work”, while representing their business and brand then so be it. If there was an owner dumb enough to demand all players on their team take a knee and a player refuses they could drop him as well. Work is not where you get to be an individual if the owner doesn’t want to see it. Now pull up your pants and get to work!

  108. To me this is the same as people being threatened by what goes on in stranger’s bedrooms. Ridiculous

  109. @arzcardinals says:

    My questions is…why would Reid or his agent leak the info of a private meeting? The team already has an issue with him and now you compound it by leaking what was supposed to be a confidential meeting. IMO it only makes Reid look worse. I’m sorry, but in a business where classified info needs to stay classified I can’t hire a guy who runs to the press with everything he doesn’t like or agree with.
    Stay unemployed
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    Classified info…confidential meeting? There’s always sources for virtually every team in the league that leak information. Stay stupid.

  110. Could it be possible that Reid was noncommittal on the anthem in an effort to see if Mike Brown would up his potential offer? Maybe they were offering 3 million a year and he was using it a a potential bargaining chip to see if management would sweeten the deal in exchange for him to play ball? Before he met with the Bengals a story leaked that he would be interested in playing for last years 5.7 million dollar salary he had in San Fran which is telling since the Bengals were gonna low ball him since he has no other suitors. Obviously using the media to leak that specific salary info was a last cry for help before he went to Cincinnati who were reported as very interested/likely to sign him at a much lower rate. Then as a last ditch effort of desperation he muffled an ambiguous answer to Brown in an effort to maybe negotiate his silence.

  111. I think the craziest thing about this debate is how many members of the military said they supported Kaepernick and Reed’s right to protest — there’s even a #VeteransfoKap hashtag on social media — and yet people are still acting like this is some planned act of disrespect against the military. A lot of the guys who are choosing to kneel come from military backgrounds. This has nothing to do with the military or disrespecting the U.S., it’s all about equality and basic human rights for everyone, including African Americans, who have suffered since they’ve come to this country.

  112. There’s also talk about how players should protest on their own time. Well when you have a union setup, you have the right to do things like protest on the clock. This is a platform that attracts millions of people, there is no better place or time to protest. I know some of you may be uncomfortable and that’s understandable, closeted bigotry is a real thing, but don’t deny the truths going on in this country just to fit your narrative.

  113. Black folks still getting shot. If you believe that the issue is about taking a knee or our Anthem you should study some. Both sides need to study. Maybe some of the guys that took a knee did so just to appease their peers. Maybe some were genuinely aware of the unadulterated hatred that certain ethnicities deal with on a daily basis. But please be smart enough to see that we all need to stand for the Anthem. But we all need to stand and have a conversation about this hatred and stupidity and ignorance and violence and come up with some solutions to THE REAL PROBLEM.

  114. If I took my personal protest to my workplace, I would be fired. That goes for most of the people in the US. When Kaepernick and Reid took their personal protest to their workplace, they crossed a line. They have a right to protest but not at their employers place of business. What successful business would hire a person that has already alienated more than 50% of their customers?

  115. youngnoizecom says:
    April 11, 2018 at 4:16 pm
    There’s also talk about how players should protest on their own time. Well when you have a union setup, you have the right to do things like protest on the clock. This is a platform that attracts millions of people, there is no better place or time to protest. I know some of you may be uncomfortable and that’s understandable, closeted bigotry is a real thing, but don’t deny the truths going on in this country just to fit your narrative.

    ……………………………………………………………………………………

    What union do you work for? What union is going to back it’s members protesting on company time?

  116. removeemotion says:
    April 11, 2018 at 9:59 am
    HOW MANY OF YOU GUYS SAY THE ATHEM BEFORE WORK? SHUT UP THEN

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    If it was required, and I was paid millions, I would play it on a kazoo

  117. serfrocker says:
    April 11, 2018 at 11:32 am

    Dude already went public saying he had no plans on kneeling. The Bengals just stirred this up all over again…
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    First- There is no way he was “blindsided” by the question so if he actually meant what he said then he would`ve said no i won`t kneel anymore to them and maybe got an offer but the fact that he couldn`t say it proves he was just lying to try and get a job and can`t be trusted.
    Second-The Bengals didn`t announce that they asked the question so he stirred it up by going to the media so he has nobody to blame but himself. But of course it`s always someone else`s fault isn`t it?

  118. It’s funny how fans love NFL football, 75% black players, but tear their hair out about black players pointing to the idea of fairness in society. So much for that flag standing for something.

  119. How about going back to making our young people recite the Pledge of Allegiance before school? I think that was taken away because the idiots said it was offensive to some….we should be as angry if not more so due to that. We’ve lost our way and have become soft and not very smart.

  120. Marvin Lewis didn’t sound to happy Mike Brown even brung it up it wasn’t his place to ask Eric Reid anything on that issue Marvin is suppose to handle the players it absolutely caught Eric Reid offguard why would Marvin even invite this kid here for a visit if he thought this kid didn’t understand how the Bengals stood on this issue. I see what Marvin meant when he stated before he resigned the owner and head coach have to be on the same page or it’s going to be bad feelings between the two of them but what the hell when Marvin gets tired of Mike Brown’s interfering and leaves maybe he can bring back Dick Lebeau 2-14 losing seasons I’m sure you Lewis haters will be satisfied then just like you chased off Dusty Baker how did that work out for the Reds they’ve had consecutive 98 loss seasons ???

  121. 7timechamp says:
    April 11, 2018 at 11:25 am
    The media continues to fan the fire. Even after America has already spoken and the majority has let it be known what they think of people who kneel.
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    You’re right. The majority couldn’t give a damn.

  122. Reid isn’t doing himself any favors by leaking this to the media. He’s going to have a hard time finding anyone to sign him if he’s going to throw teams under the bus. Don’t players have agents to give them some sort of heads up as to how to go about their business ? I wonder if his brother’s draft status isn’t messed up as a result of his actions.

  123. Conservative media, the NRA, and LEOs have successfully reframed the real issue: killings of unarmed and police violations of civil rights, human rights, police brutality, institutional racism, a broken justice system, a for-profit, corrupt prison system where judges and prosecutors get kick backs…
    and now refer to this as an issue about kneeling…

    It is completely and deliberately missing the point.

  124. “nhpats says:
    April 11, 2018 at 9:48 am
    Does this guy realize he was kneeling because Kaep got beat out by Blaine Gabbert?”

    That sums up how I felt. I thought he was doing it because he got beat out and like most pro athletes, they need attention and this was a way of generating it as backup. I seriously don’t think he expected this kind of reaction. Anyway, a point kind of lost now because of everything else.

    As for some of the other stuff constantly mentioned, athletes often talk about “respect” and are willing to fight over it. In the NBA, just step over someone and they’re ready to brawl. But, disrespecting the nation, disrespecting the military and the many that died protecting it, disrespecting the flag, and disrespecting the many people that hold the flag and anthem in high-regard and we’re supposed to just accept it, be okay with it? Maybe next time they mention being disrespected, everyone should just laugh and maybe they’ll eventually get the point.

  125. Ray Davis says:
    April 11, 2018 at 7:18 pm
    Marvin Lewis didn’t sound to happy Mike Brown even brung it up it wasn’t his place to ask Eric Reid anything on that issue Marvin is suppose to handle the players it absolutely caught Eric Reid offguard why would Marvin even invite this kid here for a visit if he thought this kid didn’t understand how the Bengals stood on this issue. I see what Marvin meant when he stated before he resigned the owner and head coach have to be on the same page or it’s going to be bad feelings between the two of them but what the hell when Marvin gets tired of Mike Brown’s interfering and leaves maybe he can bring back Dick Lebeau 2-14 losing seasons I’m sure you Lewis haters will be satisfied then just like you chased off Dusty Baker how did that work out for the Reds they’ve had consecutive 98 loss seasons ???

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    First if first how in the heck do you know how Marvin sounded as nobody from the organization has even spoken abkut this? Second, I’m sure Marvin worked in Mike to even bring in Reid so I’m pretty certain Marvin knew where Mike stood on this. If anything, I think Reid let Marvin down who more than likely stick his neck out for Reid as he wouldn’t have liked to have him on hos defense, and despite Reid giving a Luke warm endorsement in social media that uenwasnt planning on but not guaranteeing,he wouldn’t protest in some form. All Brown wanted to know was he going to be with the team concept of not kneeling. Reid gave the same answer and Marvin even gave Reid a final chance to clarify at the end if the meeting (reported) and he didn’t . That is why Reid left Cincy without a contract and after leaking this info to the media he probably won’t have another interview for a long time.

  126. Bottom line is the the owner is the employer and the player is the employee. Any act that could be seen as harmful to the organization (reputation or financially) is totally with the rights of that employer. I can guarantee that if I decided to protest something at work while at work for my company, I would probably be fired. There’s a duel standard in the country for coddled athletes and ordinary citizens…not only in this instance but often times with the law. I am fine with anyone protesting something, but do it on your OWN time. Me as a fan are paying part of your salary.

  127. I totally understand both sides of the story. I was on the side of silent protest, but I have to admit, if it costs me my career and my money I would rather protest on my own time. Players always want to maximize their contracts to “put food on the table”. Now that the issue has been raised and the country is divided on the issue, it would be better to stop protesting and start thinking of better ways to raise the concerns that are definitely being undermined. Think outside the box and if you’re so passionate about raising awareness, then there is always a better way that won’t fall on deaf ears. That’s the whole point, don’t protest for the sake of protesting. That doesn’t solve anything. Find ways for people to understand what you’re protesting about and why in a way that they will want to listen to you.

    I had read somewhere that when you are the party that is aggrieved, then you have to listen first and talk second. Otherwise, as the one who is being slighted, you will never get the other person to understand your position unless you understand why you are being slighted in the first place. If it’s because of racism and nothing else, then you have to make the person realize how their actions affect you. If they don’t care, move on to the next person who does.

    It sounds a little “sweet in the tooth”, but there are always different paths to a destination. Aggression and rebellion don’t always work. And if it costs you your job, it definitely isn’t working.

  128. So let’s review:

    1. Eric Reid protests at every game in 2016, alongside Kaepernick.

    2. In April 2017, Reid publicly states he’s made his point, and will no longer protest at games.

    3. Reid then changes his mind, or renegs depending on one’s interpretation, and protests at every game in 2017.

    4. A month ago, Reid again makes a very public comment that he’s done protesting, and will not protest if signed to play for the coming season.

    5. At his first interview as a free agent, when asked if he plans to honor his public statement, he declines to say he will.

    Anything inaccurate here? Sounds like, in addition to finding a new adviser, this fellow needs to make his mind up. Right now his word is not reliable.

  129. When you compare the people disrespecting the anthem (and yes, that is what it is. It may not be the end purpose of the protest, but it is the means to get attention) to alleged criminals, you’re looking at apples and oranges.

    Those alleged to be committing crimes off the field are just that: alleged. Once allegations are proven true, action is taken in the forms of suspension and the like (which has happened to none of those kneeling). Whereas those kneeling are doing what they’re doing right in front of the camera.

    For a business to risk alienating half of their audience, you’d better be a VERY good football player or not be too surprised if what you offer on the field is deemed not to be worth it off the field. Reid has a better case for that than Kaepernick, but they still shouldn’t be surprised… or thinking in terms that they’re just victims of racism.

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