Amendola: Belichick is the best coach ever, and an a–hole sometimes

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As Danny Amendola says goodbye to New England and hello to Miami, he has plenty to say about his old team.

Amendola offered a complicated opinion of Patriots coach Bill Belichick, whom he refers to as the “best coach to ever coach the game” but also as a difficult person to have as a boss.

“It’s not easy, that’s for sure. He’s an a–hole sometimes,” Amendola told Mike Reis of ESPN. “There were a lot of things I didn’t like about playing for him, but I must say, the things I didn’t like were all in regards to getting the team better, and I respected him. I didn’t like practicing in the snow, I didn’t like practicing in the rain, but that was going to make us a better football team and that was going to make me a better football player. It wasn’t easy, and he’d be the first to admit, at the [Super Bowl] ring ceremony, that it wasn’t easy playing for him. The silver lining was that we were at the ring ceremony.”

The Patriots won’t have a ring ceremony this year, and Amendola seems to wonder if Belichick’s benching of cornerback Malcolm Butler is the reason for that.

“I have my thoughts about it because I was out there putting my blood, sweat and tears out on the field that night, and one of our best players wasn’t on the field,” Amendola said. “To tell you the truth, I don’t know why. I did ask, but I didn’t get any answers. I can’t make decisions like that, so I don’t necessarily worry about it, but I know Malcolm is a great player and he could have helped us win. For whatever reason, he wasn’t out there. He’s going to play more football in his career, and he’s going to be a great player for a long time.”

Amendola said he felt hurt to see a player he’d worked with through the years standing on the sideline.

“Nobody really got an explanation for it,” Amendola said. “He’s a brother of ours. He was a brother of ours that year. And I hate to see a guy who worked so hard throughout the season not get a chance to play in the biggest game of the year and really get no explanation for it. With that said, I don’t know how the business aspect went into that decision. I don’t know how the personal aspect went into that decision between him and Bill. But as a friend, I would have loved to see him on the field that day.”

Amendola may not be the only Patriot who felt like Belichick was an a–hole in his dealing with Butler, though the ones still in New England are keeping quiet about it.

179 responses to “Amendola: Belichick is the best coach ever, and an a–hole sometimes

  1. .
    If Butler’s play was so putrid that he’s being passed over for career special teamer, Johnson Bademosi, then why did Titans GM Jon Robinson give Butler a 5yr/60 million dollar contract? Does Robinson have manure for his brains?
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  2. I feel like there’s a huge Belichick smear campaign going on. Not by the former players, necessarily, but in the questions they’re being asked in interviews. So much focus on if he’s bad to play for, if players like him, etc. This may sound crazy, but….NFL football is a JOB, a highly competitive, high-turnover job. Bill Belichick is there to be their boss, not their buddy. He’s there to field a football team that contends for a Super Bowl, EVERY YEAR, for almost two decades. We watch all year long while other teams make careless mistakes in games, say dumb things before or after the games, make stupid decisions on their personal time, and generally cause distractions. That doesn’t happen in New England, not if Bill has anything to say about it. I love ‘Dola, appreciate what he did for the team, but every year is a new year and Bill tries to build the most competitive team possible. That means lowballing guys you know and love, or letting them walk altogether, or trading contributing players. But guess what? It WORKS. The Patriots’ success is as much, if not more, predicated on an affordably constructed roster than it is Xs and Os. I love the team but I know better than to get too attached to guys other than Brady. Not a great team to invest in a jersey for, but they’re a lot of fun to watch year in and year out. I hope Belichick never changes that approach.

  3. I’d like know what Belichick’s playoff won/loss record is without Tom Brady. By the way, Ron Turcotte was an awesome jockey when he was riding Secretariat. Obviously he was great at getting a horse to respond down the stretch. I’m sure he’s a genius. Did he win the triple crown aboard any horses other than Secretariat? But then again, Secretariat never won a triple crown without Ron Turcotte in the saddle.

  4. It’s not irrational to hate-respect Belichick, Greatness rarely comes by easily and politely.

    But as it did 2 months ago, it still seems like Lane Johnson hit the nail on the head and it seems like Belichick is losing his grip.

  5. Touché. It was obvious then, and it is obvious now. The whole team busted their ass all year long to get to the game, and BB let the team down. Benched MB, and got severely out coached when the defense was on the field. TB12 has said that losing a SB stays with you for life. That’s about how deep this runs with the players.

    As far as the locker room goes, the players go into battle with TB12 (Gronk included). BB’s ego is competing with TB12 now for legacy, even now making comments about how players fit into his system. Anyone thinking BB is retiring isn’t paying attention. He’ll be coaching until his son is ready to be a head coach in the league (not necessarily NE). Until then BB will be doing what he wants when he wants. Just a little sad to see what appears to be materializing.

  6. vaphinfan says:
    April 14, 2018 at 10:02 am
    Yeah he never played for Shula so really he has no idea.

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    Amwndola had more SB rings than Don Shula

  7. I have to laugh because no other coach has come close to Belichick’s success. Of course he’s a hard guy to work for, the people at the top in any industry usually are. Demanding and have the expectation you will work your rear end off and strive for perfection even though you can’t always achieve it.

    Have to laugh too because a lot of the people criticizing Bill are the same ones quick to jump on the warm, fuzzy, “player friendly” coaches that never have anywhere near the success the tough ones do.

    Being the best is extremely hard work no matter what you do and the guy at the top is going to be tough.

  8. So why if Butler was so bad a player did the Titans give him a big contract? Because they made the same mistake teams all over the league make – they fell in love with the Name player.

    forthegoodofthegame gets everything wrong. Belichick didn’t let anyone down and he wasn’t outcoached – nothing Doug Peterson did was better in coaching than what Belichick did. If people had paid attention to Butler’s deterioration over the previous two seasons they’d have seen Butler had the benching coming.

  9. “Yeah he never played for Shula so really he has no idea.”

    Shulacheat? How many Super Bowl victories did he lead or help lead teams to again? And that with Marino as his QB for most of his career?

    He’s been in Belichick’s rear view mirror for years now.

  10. Sounds like Belichick is pretty much the opposite of Jeff Fisher. Fisher’s players loved him, but only could win when there was nothing on the line.

  11. thesmartest1 says:
    April 14, 2018 at 9:59 am
    As time goes by this asterik dynasty will get what it deserves. A giant “it wasn’t worth it” from almost everyone

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    If that’s your takeaway from Amendola’s comments, then your reading comprehension isn’t that good.

    And, what is an “asterik”?

  12. eagleslakers says:
    April 14, 2018 at 10:21 am
    New England fans should be comforted by the fact that even if Butler played the Eagles would have beat them.

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    exactly. although i have no idea what amendola taking 8.25 mil untaxed dollars in florida?

    you can amendola is already dreading reporting to miami

    they’ll over use him to justify the deal, he’ll retire after 2018 and br watching ne play in the super bowl in atlanta

    enjoy the view

  13. charliecharger says:
    April 14, 2018 at 10:07 am
    I’d like know what Belichick’s playoff won/loss record is without Tom Brady…
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    Belichick’s record as a playoff Head Coach without Tom Brady is 1-1. And Belichick’s one playoff victory as HC of the Browns was against the Bill Parcells coached Patriots.

    As a side note, Hall of Fame Head Coach Bill Parcells’ record as a HC without Belichick on his coaching staff is 0-3.

    FWIW, I imagine Belichick would agree with everything Amendola and Nate Solder have said about him recently. BB has never denied he is tough to play for; but if an NFL player is willing to work hard, and compete for Super Bowl rings, there is no one better to play for.

  14. If Bill is as smart as he thinks he is, he should learn something from this glaring mistake by benching Butler when and how he did. It NEGATIVELY effected his players burdening them with something that was completely avoidable. There are moves that if a coach makes, he had better be damned sure he is going to WIN!!! The Seattle SB move to pass instead of handing over to Beast Mode. That led to the demise of the leagion of Boom and them to second guess the coach. Because the coach did not say he made the wrong decision and he has learned from it. Thats all it would have taken. It was a glaring error. Its called over-coaching. When a player puts his body on the line and give everything they have-they are equally invested in the win as the coaches are. And Amendola proves this point.

  15. At this point, Malcolm Butler is the David Tyree of the Patriots. Tyree made the helmet catch in the Super Bowl, and did nothing notable after that. Malcolm Butler made that Super Bowl interception, and what has he done since then? The Patriots’ defense was lousy this year. They still would have lost that Super Bowl even if Butler played.

  16. charliecharger says:
    April 14, 2018 at 10:07 am
    I’d like know what Belichick’s playoff won/loss record is without Tom Brady.

    In his only other job, he was the last guy to win a playoff game with the Browns franchise back in 1994. In his 30s was the DC for two Giants teams who won Super Bowls based on their defense.

    Of course Brady has elevated his success but it works both ways. But you don’t win playoff games without players and nobody has ever had this run of sustained success. The first 3 SB wins Brady was more game manager and didn’t look like the GOAT he is now. Those teams were built on the defense first and a relatively conservative offense.

  17. charliecharger says:
    April 14, 2018 at 10:07 am
    I’d like know what Belichick’s playoff won/loss record is without Tom Brady. By the way, Ron Turcotte was an awesome jockey when he was riding Secretariat. Obviously he was great at getting a horse to respond down the stretch. I’m sure he’s a genius. Did he win the triple crown aboard any horses other than Secretariat? But then again, Secretariat never won a triple crown without Ron Turcotte in the saddle.
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    This logic could easily be reversed. Brady was a low level prospect. What is his playoff record without the great Bill Belichick? Does anyone really think Brady would still be “Brady” on the Texans, Chiefs or say…the Browns?

  18. “That doesn’t happen in New England…”
    Except for the worst ever, Aaron Hernandez. Billichick pulled the trigger (if you’ll pardon the expression) on that pick.

  19. I think only two people who were on the Patriots who know the real story is Butler and Bellichick, and they’ve chosen to keep it between them.

  20. The bigger concern, and truth, is that Bill is a proven, repeated cheater and liar.
    No place for him and lack of character in sports.

    Pathetic that supporters of him and team are bkind to the facts, proven in court even.

    Deal.

  21. History will rightfully and factuallyshow that Don Shula is probably the most overrated and underperforming coach in league history. His 2-4 SB record speaks for itself. The humiliating loss for the NFL at the hands of the AFL’s Jets is the most epic failure that the league has ever seen. A previous commenter already wrote of his failures with the legendary Marino who to this day would no doubt give his left hand to have been coached by Belichick over Marino. No coach or franchise has come anywhere close to the Patriots success during the free agency/salary cap era as opposed to the 60’s-early 90’s when players were basically bound to one team who could pay them whatever’s they wanted with no ramifications. The only time that this was even slightly challenged was with the birth of the world league in the mid 70’s. The Dolphins lost Csonka, Kiick and Warfield at the start of the ‘75 season and how did the Hall of Fame coach respond? The genius didn’t win another playoff game until 1982! I can’t imagine how poorly he would’ve performed if he had to coach and run a team under the current circumstances.

  22. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    April 14, 2018 at 10:31 am
    Belicheat is the greatest cheater of all time. Brady is a proven cheater too. And Butler gave up both TD’s against the Titans.

    Tainted legacy lol 😂 😂

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    All the Lombardi’s are looking good from where we’re sitting, and all the record books are, and will remain, intact. The reason for that is because they were earned. Being accused of where you film from or a fraction of PSI has nothing to do with 20 years of excellent play and phenomenal coaching. The Patriots are under a massive microscope all the time and there are a pile of sore losers out there. Do the math.

  23. nomesayin says:
    April 14, 2018 at 10:36 am
    “That doesn’t happen in New England…”
    Except for the worst ever, Aaron Hernandez. Billichick pulled the trigger (if you’ll pardon the expression) on that pick.

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    We’ll eat that one, but don’t forget he was cut the second after the second handcuff clicked shut. He also did come with baggage out of Florida, but “convicted murderer” was not yet a part of it.

    Also, do you guys remember Jovan Belcher? The Chiefs player who murdered his girlfriend, and then drove to the Chiefs facility and shot himself in front of the coaches? That was 2012, one year before the Hernandez news broke. Nobody really talks about that much though, because people wore bellbottoms to the last Super Bowl Kansas City played in….

  24. “but I must say, the things I didn’t like were all in regards to getting the team better, and I respected him.”

    ‘Nuff said.

    If a player prefers bunnies and butterflies there are other teams that do that.

  25. The Head Coach, like the Quarterback, are absent morals or ethics. Their “win anyway we can” is testament to how the term “Professional” in professional sports has no place. There’s nothing professional about these two knuckle draggers.

    Where did professional sports take the big turn? When the game became big business!

  26. cosmicconvoy says:
    April 14, 2018 at 10:16 am
    Whatever the reason was, it worked. Cheaters lost. Foles won. The world rejoiced.

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    Thanks for saying that the Patriots are the best ever. If “the world” rejoices then that is how many really that have an inferiority complex when they look at the Patriots. And no wonder, in order to celebrate a down year for the Patriots the only thing they can cling to is celebrating that the Patriots came in ‘only’ second in the league.

  27. Danny. All the best in Miami. I don’t even mind if you play lights out against the Pats as long as Miami loses.

    That said, disappointed to hear that Bademosi was not part of the brotherhood!!!

    If the comment was regarding Butler being a better player fine, but Bademosi is just as much of your brother. Or should be I guess. As the a-hole as commented before every team is different, the personal dynamics are different, the ability to react to disappointment is different. Seems like in this team the collective spirit might have fallen short a bit! Which is on BB and the coaches for sure.

    BB is a tough boss…wow, really, he seems such a gentle and kind creature in his press appearances!!!

    The Eagles are champs and hats up to them. It’s time to move on.

  28. I’m sure Belichick will take that as a compliment. His goals, and his job description is more in line with being a great coach. Every coach has their own method. Every coach was raised in a different family environment and developed their own personality. These coaches are human beings too. Bill’s dad might have been a military guy. Dick Vermeil was raised in Northern California, and all his players loved him. John Madden was also from Northern California. Bill Walsh was a California guy too. Mike Ditka was from a steel town in Pennsylvania. I’m sure all these guys would have been successful wherever they worked. Walsh would have been a great professor. Ditka would have been a great steelworker. Belichick would have been a great General. None of them were phonies. They are who they are.

  29. There is talent and there is chatacter. If you wonder about Bellichick’s talent, look at thier trophy case. If you wonder about his character, talk to the Jets who royalled screwed when and how he quit. or listen to all the allocations about cheating. There was a time when men like him were run out of sports not revered. I’ll concede his talent, but I am sorely disappointed in the fans who ignore the character issues.

  30. harrisonhits2 says:

    I have to laugh because no other coach has come close to Belichick’s success.

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    Seriously?

    You do understand that there was a coach named Vince Lombardi, right? He took over the worst franchise in the league, and turned it into a Championship machine, winning 5 titles in 7 years, and really should have been 6 in 8 years if his inexperience hadn’t gotten in the way.

    5 titles in 7 years, a three peat. Took a 1 win team to the title game in 2 years.

    I have to laugh because Belicheat doesn’t come close to Lombardi’s success. He’s had 23 years as a head coach and a worse record, doesn’t have more rings. I’m trying to figure out how that translates to “doesn’t come close to Belicheat’s success”?

    And do we really need to get into the cheating?

  31. Practicing in the rain and snow made him an icehole? What a joke. I’m sure B.B. has done other, more iceholish, things than that.

    Excellence comes at a cost. No pain. No gain. Want to be ordinary? Do what ordinary people do. Want to be extraordinary? Push past the limits of most. No one has created extraordinary results without that.

  32. Amendola is heralded beyond what he deserves.
    He’s not that special.
    HE thinks his GQ butt is but he’s not.

  33. cobrala2 says:
    April 14, 2018 at 10:08 am

    But as it did 2 months ago, it still seems like Lane Johnson hit the nail on the head and it seems like Belichick is losing his grip.
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    Eff Lane Johnson. He never played for Belichick, so he doesn’t have any clue what it is like.

  34. Amendola got it almost right, but understandably,
    he couldn’t be more explicit.
    Belichick is a very good coach, and an an a–hole
    most of a time.

    The Hoodie is a winner, but you have to shelve your
    self-respect, and be treated like an interchangeable tool
    to play for him. Not many players are that willing to lower
    themselves to that level.

  35. atthemurph says:
    April 14, 2018 at 11:13 am

    And do we really need to get into the cheating?
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    Yes, please get into Lombardi’s cheating.

  36. It always amazes me how Patriot fan boys rush to Belichick’s defense. FYI
    1 the man is a great coach
    2. The man is a narcissist
    3. The man could give a rat’s you know what about his hero worshipping fans

    Stooges , he is a football coach, nothing more nothing less

  37. Everybody has an opinion without having all the facts. Sometimes you’ve gotta do what you’ve gotta do. As athletic director, my Dad became aware that an inconsequential player on the football team, not even a starter, had been ineligible all year. Despite the situation, it was a violation of the state high school rules, so he reported it. Unfortunately, the state high school athletic association voided all team wins from that year. Considering that there was no attempt by the coaching staff to cheat in order to play a star player and that the coaching staff actually brought it to my Dad’s attention, I think it was a terrible decision by the athletic association. Probation would have been sufficient. So…who knows what happened in Butler’s case that made a coach bench one of his best players. Only Belichick and Butler know and NEITHER one is talking….not even Butler. Which leads me to believe that Butler is more to blame than Belichick.

  38. Amendola’s comment could very well summarize how many of his teammates felt at the time, during the game.

    “I have my thoughts about it because I was out there putting my blood, sweat and tears out on the field that night, and one of our best players wasn’t on the field,” he said.

    When I saw Butler on the sidelines in tears on the sidelines at the very start of the game, I had a very bad feeling. This is a team and one of the team’s best was being humiliated. Players play on emotion to transcend run of the mill performance… and you lay a sh*t sandwich like this at the beginning of the most important game of the year… it simply cannot help.
    Add to the practical matter of how inserting practice squad players into complex defensive schemes… …. well as an aerospace engineer might put it, you put untested materials under stress, they break down. At least most engineers would understand that.

  39. Moudabo says:
    April 14, 2018 at 11:25 am
    Amendola got it almost right, but understandably,
    he couldn’t be more explicit.
    Belichick is a very good coach, and an an a–hole
    most of a time.
    The Hoodie is a winner, but you have to shelve your
    self-respect, and be treated like an interchangeable tool
    to play for him. Not many players are that willing to lower
    themselves to that level.
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    You have no idea how Belichick is most of the time, and all teams treat players like interchangeable tools.

  40. BigBill85 says:
    April 14, 2018 at 11:28 am
    Everybody has an opinion without having all the facts. Sometimes you’ve gotta do what you’ve gotta do. As athletic director, my Dad became aware that an inconsequential player on the football team, not even a starter, had been ineligible all year. Despite the situation, it was a violation of the state high school rules, so he reported it. Unfortunately, the state high school athletic association voided all team wins from that year. Considering that there was no attempt by the coaching staff to cheat in order to play a star player and that the coaching staff actually brought it to my Dad’s attention, I think it was a terrible decision by the athletic association. Probation would have been sufficient. So…who knows what happened in Butler’s case that made a coach bench one of his best players. Only Belichick and Butler know and NEITHER one is talking….not even Butler. Which leads me to believe that Butler is more to blame than Belichick.

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    we know why butler was benched

    they lost trust in him as he went over the edge leading up to the sb

    the guy had a poor year so people who think he somehow would have morphed into mike haynes in the super bowl, are not very intelligent people

    the real villian was malcom butler who quit on the team
    and then cried on national tv over it

    i am concerned over his mental stability to be honest. sad story, really

  41. ragnarthegreat says:
    April 14, 2018 at 11:11 am
    There is talent and there is chatacter. If you wonder about Bellichick’s talent, look at thier trophy case. If you wonder about his character, talk to the Jets who royalled screwed when and how he quit. or listen to all the allocations about cheating. There was a time when men like him were run out of sports not revered. I’ll concede his talent, but I am sorely disappointed in the fans who ignore the character issues.

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    umm, bb was royally screwed by parcells’s selfishness and the fact bb did not like steve gutman and saw right through that fraud woody johnson

    get your facts straight

  42. The Truth says:
    April 14, 2018 at 11:27 am

    It always amazes me how Patriot fan boys rush to Belichick’s defense. FYI
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    It’s more amazing, and ultimately sad, that so many people try to denigrate Belichick, acting like him asking a lot out of a bunch of millionaires that are paid to win football games is the most ridiculous thing ever.

  43. Seriously?

    You do understand that there was a coach named Vince Lombardi, right? He took over the worst franchise in the league, and turned it into a Championship machine, winning 5 titles in 7 years, and really should have been 6 in 8 years if his inexperience hadn’t gotten in the way.

    5 titles in 7 years, a three peat. Took a 1 win team to the title game in 2 years.

    I have to laugh because Belicheat doesn’t come close to Lombardi’s success. He’s had 23 years as a head coach and a worse record, doesn’t have more rings. I’m trying to figure out how that translates to “doesn’t come close to Belicheat’s success”?

    And do we really need to get into the cheating?

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    Dynasties were much easier to come by in the pre-merger, pre-cap, pre-FA days. Think whatever you want, but What BB has done will likely never be repeated without significant rule changes. Lombardi was a great coach, but BB is the greatest coach.

  44. u4iadman says:

    April 14, 2018 at 10:42 am

    The bigger concern, and truth, is that Bill is a proven, repeated cheater and liar.
    No place for him and lack of character in sports.

    Pathetic that supporters of him and team are bkind to the facts, proven in court even.

    Deal.

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    Except that science says the opposite.
    And everyone with more than 2 working brain cells should be able to understand that Roger Goodell would not have decided to appear to be dishonest by hiding the PSI information from the 2015 NFL season unless he had something to hide.

    Roger decided to hide that PSI report very soon after pledging “transparency” and blathering about “integrity”. The PSI report is still being hidden from football fans because science didn’t change to support Roger Goodell’s lies about football deflation.

    Two judges said that science explained the deflation. Including the Chief judge.

    Pathetic jealous individuals were duped because they are unable to understand 7th grade science.

    BIGGER DEAL.

  45. I’d like know what Belichick’s playoff won/loss record is without Tom Brady

    I don’t know, but he’s the only coach with a Cleveland Browns playoff win in a quarter century. If that helps.

  46. people who think he somehow would have morphed into mike haynes

    Not a world-beater in coverage, but the guy can tackle. The guy makes solo tackles on running backs like it’s just another day at the office.

  47. A best coach to ever coach the game does not bench a key player during the biggest game of the year. Should have put the team first, not personal feelings. Trying to prove something and lost. Not even a mediocre coach would pull a stunt like that on SB Sunday. Best coaches: Halas & Lombardi

  48. thewizardsrevenge says:
    April 14, 2018 at 11:42 am

    I’d like know what Belichick’s playoff won/loss record is without Tom Brady
    I don’t know, but he’s the only coach with a Cleveland Browns playoff win in a quarter century. If that helps.
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    And that win was against the Patriots.

  49. The fact that 63 people thumbed up the “Amendola has more SB rings than Shula” comment exposes the Patriots fans for what they are….Bandwagon fans. There’s probably not one here that existed before Brady was drafted.

    In case you didn’t know…Amendola doesn’t have more SB rings than Shula.

  50. charliecharger says:
    April 14, 2018 at 10:07 am
    I’d like know what Belichick’s playoff won/loss record is without Tom Brady. By the way, Ron Turcotte was an awesome jockey when he was riding Secretariat. Obviously he was great at getting a horse to respond down the stretch. I’m sure he’s a genius. Did he win the triple crown aboard any horses other than Secretariat? But then again, Secretariat never won a triple crown without Ron Turcotte in the saddle.

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    Belichick’s record with Cleveland: 36-44
    Belichick’s record with New England before Brady: 5-11.
    Brady made Belichick much the same as Jordan-Pippen and Shaq made Phil Jackson.

  51. cosmicconvoy says:
    April 14, 2018 at 10:16 am
    Whatever the reason was, it worked. Cheaters lost. Foles won. The world rejoiced.
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    What are you going to do when the pats win another one?

  52. The modern day athlete is spoiled. They’ve grown up in different times and some of the money being made is outrageous. Many of the football players back in the 50’s, 60’s etc. worked off season jobs. No such thing as lifetime security at the age of 30 or even younger.

    I don’t know a lot about Belichick other than he’s old school. Been in the game since the 70’s I think it is. If Amendola had his problems with him along with others then it could also be due from hearing how “great” it was from friends on other teams. He obviously felt he had to work harder than most of them if not all.

    But the end result was that he had more success too. If anyone has ever read anything about Lombardi you’ll see that many of his players hated him too at times. He worked them harder than most other coaches worked their players. But years after their careers were over they appreciated playing for him. He made them better players and many of them credit him for their successes long after their football days were over. I think in that sense Belichick is similar. There aren’t too many players that have played for him and there have been hundreds over the years that in the end weren’t glad that they did. May have been hard and it wasn’t always warm and fuzzy but in the end there was individual success and team success.

    On a side note I really don’t get these comments about how many Super Bowls has Belichick won without Brady? They’re of zero relevance if they’re said in trying to compare him to other coaches because if you’re going to say that then tell us how many Super Bowls did Walsh have without Montana? How many did Lombardi have without Bart Starr? How many did Knoll have without Bradshaw? Then you can turn it around and ask how many did Shula have with Marino, one of the greatest QBs of all time? How about Levy with Kelly? So it’s ridiculous to pluck Belichick out of all these coaches who had great QB, some who won with them and some that never did, and then ask what Belichick did without Brady. Makes zero sense and makes a zero point.

    The bottom line is that he’s won more Super Bowls than any other great coach/great QB in the history of the game.

  53. mmack66 says:

    ” You have no idea how Belichick is most of the time, and
    all teams treat players like interchangeable tools. ”

    If you weren’t able to tell using your eyes and ears, on your own before,
    several former players have come out and told you so.

    There’s no longer any need to stick your head in the sand.
    It is what it is, and it works for the Pats. But it’s not for everybody.
    You can close your eyes to it, but trust me, it doesn’t do anything
    to make the truth go away.

    And No. Most other teams treat their players as valuable components of
    their team and as talented men. Not interchangeable tools to lowball
    and discard. as Amendola was saying.

  54. Some people also said Vince Lombardi was king of the A-Holes but sometimes in order to get the best out of the individual, and protect the team, you have to be.

  55. He is great because he has no ethics and cheats: In 2007 Belichick was officially fined $500,000 — the largest fine ever imposed on a coach in the league’s then-87-year history, and the maximum permitted under league rules. The Patriots were also fined $250,000, and stripped of their first-round selection in the 2008 NFL Draft. Then the Patriots organization was fined $1 million and lost their first round pick in the 2016 NFL draft and their fourth round pick in the 2017 NFL draft.

  56. Wow, Danny, BB made you practice outside in freezing snow & rain? – that’s effed-up for a game that’s only played indoors or on dry summer days. At least you got to practice – at my school when the weather was really bad they used to worry about the field and so instead send us on cross-country runs… Still, now you’ll be able to stay at home in Jan & Feb to watch football on TV!

  57. I’ll always blame that loss to the Eagles on Belichick. I don’t care how great a coach he is (and he is the greatest). Amendola is right. He definitely can be an a-hole.

  58. Hey Charlie Charger: For the record, Ron Turcotte won the Derby and Belmont the year before he won the triple crown, and was paralyzed four years after that… so no, he didn’t win the Triple any other time, but he was certainly was very successful. You went a long way to posit an irrelevant, invalid comparison; a little Google time might have helped you choose an example more relevant to your argument.

  59. thetooloftools says:
    April 14, 2018 at 12:12 pm
    Some people also said Vince Lombardi was king of the A-Holes but sometimes in order to get the best out of the individual, and protect the team, you have to be.

    ——————

    He ruled with an iron fist. If players today think BB is too rigid, they never would have survived in that era.

  60. On a side note, can you imagine Lombardi trying to coach a team full of millennials today? I’d love to be a fly on the wall (or the field) for that whole exchange.

  61. I would like to play for an a-hole if he gets the best out of his players and wins super bowls.

  62. And the fact remains and always will remain: Belicheat has zero rings as a HC without cheating. None. He isn’t even anywhere close to the running for “greatest head coach of all time.” Without the cheating he was a colossal failure as a Head Coach.

  63. Dolphins and other teams are paying big bucks for Patriots pedigree to get insight to that winning a** holeism. Butler knows what he did. He had been a malcontent for awhile there. The Patriots hammer into their players heads that they are accountable to their teammates and their teams. Whatever they do positive or negative impacts the team. Butler must have done something for BB to bench him. BB does not do things lightly. Whatever it is maybe caused the team the SB. There’s the painful and expensive lesson. BB runs a tight ship. The players won’t run that organization.

  64. Butler disagrees with you. BB NEVER burns a player in the media. He doesn’t play your game. Keep hating. 3 NE stories. WOW.

  65. BB is a polarizing figure, but as a Pats Fan there no one I would rather have as the HC..

    For what it is worth BB is the third most winning coach in the NFL.. right behind Shula and Halas.. BB has coached more playoff games than any other coach active or inactive.

    FWIW Vince Lombardi has 96 total wins as a HC and BB has 250 Total wins as a head coach, BB record in the playoffs is 28 & 11, Lombardi was 9 & 1….

    But the comparison to Lombardi is not a good one, as football in the 50’s and 60’s is much different than it is today…

  66. “ What are you going to do when the pats win another one? “

    Have a he visitors locker room swept for bugs!

  67. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    April 14, 2018 at 10:31 am
    Belicheat is the greatest cheater of all time. Brady is a proven cheater too. And Butler gave up both TD’s against the Titans.

    Tainted legacy lol 😂 😂
    —————————————————————————————–
    I’m not by any means a Pat’s fan or Belichick fan, but history will not see their run as tainted by any means. Deflategate was incredibly stupid by the league & commish. The Pats ran the ball down the Colts throat and won 45-7. Does anybody really believe they won by 38 points because of deflated footballs? To suspend one of the marquee players in the league for deflated footballs is just asinine.

  68. turtlehut says:
    April 14, 2018 at 12:13 pm
    He is great because he has no ethics and cheats: In 2007 Belichick was officially fined $500,000 — the largest fine ever imposed on a coach in the league’s then-87-year history, and the maximum permitted under league rules. The Patriots were also fined $250,000, and stripped of their first-round selection in the 2008 NFL Draft. Then the Patriots organization was fined $1 million and lost their first round pick in the 2016 NFL draft and their fourth round pick in the 2017 NFL draft.
    —————————————————————————————-
    Actually everything successful about Belichick as a head coach is directly related to lucking into drafting Tom Brady in the 6th round. He was nothing special before as the Browns head coach (below .500) or with Drew Bledsoe in NE. He was a good defensive coach with the Giants prior but he also had Hall of Famers in Lawrence Taylor and Harry Carson.

  69. The Truth says:
    April 14, 2018 at 11:27 am
    It always amazes me how Patriot fan boys rush to Belichick’s defense. FYI
    1 the man is a great coach
    2. The man is a narcissist
    3. The man could give a rat’s you know what about his hero worshipping fans

    Stooges , he is a football coach, nothing more nothing less

    ————————
    You might not be aware of this but none of us hang out with the guy or have any social connection with him at all. We just want him to win football games.

  70. drrichardrydze says:
    April 14, 2018 at 1:51 pm
    And the fact remains and always will remain: Belicheat has zero rings as a HC without cheating. None. He isn’t even anywhere close to the running for “greatest head coach of all time.” Without the cheating he was a colossal failure as a Head Coach.
    ——————
    He has 7 actually. So I gues that greatest of all time is there after all. Sorry if its that infuriating to admit.

  71. drrichardrydze says:
    April 14, 2018 at 1:51 pm
    And the fact remains and always will remain: Belicheat has zero rings as a HC without cheating. None. He isn’t even anywhere close to the running for “greatest head coach of all time.” Without the cheating he was a colossal failure as a Head Coach

    —-

    Please enlighten all of us idiots just how exactly he has cheated in every single game he’s ever coached the Patriots to victories? Oh, and how this supposed brilliant, invisible, magic cheating goes on with no report from the 1000’s of former players or coaches Belichick has worked with past or present, ever revealing the said “Magic” formula or how the “system” works? Or how no team has been able to copy it somehow??? You know, when you watch the games in reverse, there’s a hidden message….yeesh.

    This is the most daft nonsense I’ve ever heard. Thank goodness it’s just a few yahoos who come from a juvenile, angry place where Belichick dashed their team’s dreams one to many times and they just HAVE to conjure up a reason for it other than the truth—you got beat by the better and more prepared team. That’s it. Welcome to adulthood.

  72. What cost the Patriots the SB was Brady’s terrible fumble and his luckluster performance in the first half. Take away those things plus his dropped pass then we are having a different conversation today.

  73. drrichardrydze says:
    April 14, 2018 at 1:51 pm
    And the fact remains and always will remain: Belicheat has zero rings as a HC without cheating. None. He isn’t even anywhere close to the running for “greatest head coach of all time.” Without the cheating he was a colossal failure as a Head Coach

    ______________________________

    This world has too many uneducated people such as yourself.

  74. Moudabo says:
    April 14, 2018 at 11:25 am
    Belichick is a very good coach, and an an a–hole
    most of a time.
    ———————-
    I see how you turned “sometimes” into “most of the time” with a flick of your keyboard.
    Your credibility just got shot down. So did your team last year.

  75. red46391645978 says:
    April 14, 2018 at 10:34 am
    charliecharger says:
    April 14, 2018 at 10:07 am
    I’d like know what Belichick’s playoff won/loss record is without Tom Brady.

    In his only other job, he was the last guy to win a playoff game with the Browns franchise back in 1994. In his 30s was the DC for two Giants teams who won Super Bowls based on their defense.

    Of course Brady has elevated his success but it works both ways. But you don’t win playoff games without players and nobody has ever had this run of sustained success. The first 3 SB wins Brady was more game manager and didn’t look like the GOAT he is now. Those teams were built on the defense first and a relatively conservative offense.
    ———
    I don’t disagree with the premise of your argument but in Brady’s second SB against the Panthers he threw for over 350yds and 3TDs.

    Against the Rams he was pretty pedestrian and just clutch really, and decent against Eagles but not spectacular.

  76. mumfio says:
    April 14, 2018 at 2:48 pm
    —————————————————————————————-
    Actually everything successful about Belichick as a head coach is directly related to lucking into drafting Tom Brady in the 6th round.
    ———————————————————

    Yeah, right…

    And all of Vince Lombardi’s success was due to Bart Starr.
    And all of Bill Walsh’s success was due to Joe Montana.
    An all of Chuck Noll’s success was due to steroids, and Terry Bradshaw.
    And all of Tom Landry’s success was due to Roger Staubach.
    And all of Joe Gibbs success was due to the Hogs.
    And Don Shula committed coaching malpractice by never winning a Super Bowl with Dan Marino.

    All of the above is true, right?

  77. Amendola stated BB is the greatest coach ever and that BB is an A-hole. Of the two being the greatest coach is the only thing that’s questionable.

  78. turtlehut says:

    April 14, 2018 at 12:13 pm

    He is great because he has no ethics and cheats: In 2007 Belichick was officially fined $500,000 — the largest fine ever imposed on a coach in the league’s then-87-year history, and the maximum permitted under league rules. The Patriots were also fined $250,000, and stripped of their first-round selection in the 2008 NFL Draft.

    ———————————————————————————–
    Nothing to do with cheating. It’s only crybabies who have been trying to call it “cheating”

    Those over the top punishments were from not following a memo and then finding out that a petty tyrant wrote the memo. That petty tyrant felt disrespected, so he over punished the patriots. The patriots were over punished for having a camera 30 feet away from where the memo said the camera should be. The camera was only there for a portion of the first half of the first game of a season.

  79. mumfio says:
    April 14, 2018 at 2:48 pm
    turtlehut says:
    April 14, 2018 at 12:13 pm
    He is great because he has no ethics and cheats: In 2007 Belichick was officially fined $500,000 — the largest fine ever imposed on a coach in the league’s then-87-year history, and the maximum permitted under league rules. The Patriots were also fined $250,000, and stripped of their first-round selection in the 2008 NFL Draft. Then the Patriots organization was fined $1 million and lost their first round pick in the 2016 NFL draft and their fourth round pick in the 2017 NFL draft.
    —————————————————————————————-
    Actually everything successful about Belichick as a head coach is directly related to lucking into drafting Tom Brady in the 6th round. He was nothing special before as the Browns head coach (below .500) or with Drew Bledsoe in NE. He was a good defensive coach with the Giants prior but he also had Hall of Famers in Lawrence Taylor and Harry Carson.

    ____

    More people for the “Brady is the GOAT” campaign

  80. turtlehut says:

    April 14, 2018 at 12:13 pm

    Then the Patriots organization was fined $1 million and lost their first round pick in the 2016 NFL draft and their fourth round pick in the 2017 NFL draft.

    ———————————————————————————–

    Science continues to say that the weather lowered the PSI in the footballs.
    Roger Goodell had to hide the PSI report from the measurements collected during the 2015 NFL season because science would not lie for Roger Goodell. Roger Goodell is still hiding that PSI information from football fans.

    It would be nice for Roger Goodell to release that PSI information before the 2018 NFL draft. Then Roger can give back the stolen million dollars, plus the 2 stolen draft picks. Roger can throw in another 1st round draft pick to make up for Brady missing 4 games.

  81. That benching really demoralized their defense in that Super Bowl, and the entire team as a whole. B.B. has not made good defensive decisions in the last several years.

  82. In his only other job, he was the last guy to win a playoff game with the Browns franchise back in 1994. In his 30s was the DC for two Giants teams who won Super Bowls based on their defense.
    ——————————————————————————————
    ——————————————————————————————
    The original Browns became the Baltimore Ravens who have won 2 Super Bowls long after Belichick coached them to a 5-11 record in his final season there, He has nothing to do with the “new expansion” Browns team that currently exists. The original Browns had gone to 3 AFC championship just prior to Belichick becoming the head coach, where he compiled a 36-44 record. The 80’s Giants already had Hall of Fame Linebackers, Lawrence Taylor and Harry Carson before Belichick was hired. Lawrence Taylor is widely considered the best outside linebacker of all-Time. So Belichick walked into a situation with a ready made Super Bowl Defense.

  83. Cracks me up. Bitter fans of other teams saying how BB is so overrated and is only successful with Brady. They tend to overlook the success of other great coaches and how they were tied at the hip with great QBs as well…..Walsh/Montana, Lombardi/Starr, Knoll/Bradshaw, Johnson/Aikman, Landry/Staubach, Madden/Stabler, Levy/Kelly, Grant/Tarkenton…….all these great HOF coaches with HOF QB’s….so only Belicheck gets rated without his star QB? How would any of these coaches have done without their star QB’s? The point is, no one will ever know.

    The flip side is that by saying how overrated BB is they are basically saying that Brady is the GOAT. Funny how that works.

  84. It disappoints me to read posts claiming Butler was a ‘malcontent’

    That is not written by anyone who has seen him practice or play.
    Most of us in NE admired that fact about Butler… he worked very hard, played hard on every play.
    Sure, he got beat from time to time, but he never quit on a play.

    something you cannot say about his highly overpaid teammate, Gilmore.
    I don’t come rapping Gilmore, but there were a number of plays where he simply stopped pursuit…and it was noticed and commented on at the time.
    Something you never heard about Butler.

  85. whywerule says:
    April 14, 2018 at 3:19 pm
    mumfio says:
    April 14, 2018 at 2:48 pm
    —————————————————————————————-
    Actually everything successful about Belichick as a head coach is directly related to lucking into drafting Tom Brady in the 6th round.
    ———————————————————

    Yeah, right…

    And all of Vince Lombardi’s success was due to Bart Starr.
    And all of Bill Walsh’s success was due to Joe Montana.
    An all of Chuck Noll’s success was due to steroids, and Terry Bradshaw.
    And all of Tom Landry’s success was due to Roger Staubach.
    And all of Joe Gibbs success was due to the Hogs.
    And Don Shula committed coaching malpractice by never winning a Super Bowl with Dan Marino.

    All of the above is true, right?
    ————————————————————————————
    No. Most of those teams were loaded with hof’ers on both sides of the ball. Dallas had the doomsday defense and Tony Dorsett, The 49ers had Jerry Rice and Ronnie Lott. The Steelers had the steel curtain defense loaded with hall of famers and Rb Franco Harris(HOF). Gibbs had Riggins and Theisman, the smurfs, Doug Williams and later had Mark Rypien. Marino had the Marks Bros, but no running game or defense and thus never won the ring. But Brady has won with average talent on offense,outside of Gronk in recent years. No other coach has had the benefit of a QB playing at Brady’s level for 18 years, especially as a 6th rounder.

  86. In Bill we trust – all these players that say they gave so much – which I don’t necessarily disagree – HOWEVER- where would they all be if the Pats org didn’t provide them the original opportunity- Brady late round pick that may have gone unselected if not for Pats? Edelman- QB turned WR that may have not had a shot-? Moss rescued from the Black Hole ? Oft injured Amendola outcast from Big D and the derelict Rams? Gronk bad back and all considered a reach for the Pats in the draft? Lewis marred by injuries out of collage? Butler working the dish pit at Popeyes ? Don’t get me wrong I love them all but the Pats may (and I say may) have given these guys the best chance to have a superior NFL career not to mention lifestyle. Do these guys think they would have been as successful anywhere else? Hard to say maybe – maybe not.

  87. Best coach ever? Paul Brown, Tom Laundry, Bill Walsh to name a few. BB is best coach ever to stumble into Tom Brady.

  88. So many salty tears on this thread. Grown men crying while typing about the patriots. Can’t make this stuff up

  89. Danny was an injury prone small WR with Coach signed him. His use as a secondary WR has saved his health and extended his career. Now is a very over paid WR entering his last couple of years in the NFL. No sour grapes from Danny.

  90. Can’t wait for the “What it’s like playing for Belichick” chapter of Brady’s book after he retires

  91. Great respect and appreciation for what Amendola brought to the Patriots, but does anyone outside of Miami think his contributions are worth 6+ mil a year? This was a lost deal for Miami and they will regret making it.

  92. mumfio says:
    April 14, 2018 at 3:54 pm
    whywerule says:
    April 14, 2018 at 3:19 pm

    And all of Vince Lombardi’s success was due to Bart Starr.
    And all of Bill Walsh’s success was due to Joe Montana.
    An all of Chuck Noll’s success was due to steroids, and Terry Bradshaw.
    And all of Tom Landry’s success was due to Roger Staubach.
    And all of Joe Gibbs success was due to the Hogs.
    And Don Shula committed coaching malpractice by never winning a Super Bowl with Dan Marino.

    All of the above is true, right?
    ————————————————————————————
    No. Most of those teams were loaded with hof’ers on both sides of the ball. Dallas had the doomsday defense and Tony Dorsett, The 49ers had Jerry Rice and Ronnie Lott. The Steelers had the steel curtain defense loaded with hall of famers and Rb Franco Harris(HOF). Gibbs had Riggins and Theisman…
    ———————————–

    Now I am not sure if you are arguing that Tom Brady is the Greatest NFL Player of All-Time (and, if so, I agree, he is), or if Bill Belichick is the Greatest NFL Head Coach and GM of All-Time (again, if so, I agree, he is).

    Or are you arguing that Belichick, Lombardi, Noll, Landry, Shula, Gibbs, etc.,, were all mediocre or worse Head Coaches because they had one or more HOF players to prop them up?

    The Pats may end up with only Tom Brady from their Super Bowl winning and losing teams getting into the HOF, but others will get serious consideration. Ty Law has been getting consideration, although he may come up short…and others will get consideration. I am not really counting Randy Moss since he was a HOF talent long before he joined the Pats.

    At the end of each game, and each season, it is all about Coaches putting players in a position to succeed, and those players motivated to execute well, and executing well. All of the coaches mentioned in this thread excelled at doing just that; that includes motivating their HOF player(s) who may never have been HOF players without the coaching they received. Given that Bill Belichick has excelled, unlike the others, in the era of salary caps and parity, he is clearly the Greatest Head Coach of All-Time.

  93. If you think Butler starting would’ve won the Patriots the Super Bowl, I got some beautiful swap land to sell you. Philly was the overall better team and they won. It’s pure comedy how people can read something and think that the Pats world is crumbling. You don’t say someone is the greatest ever like Amendola and Solder did and call it taking shots

  94. Great coach and an a**hole. Sounds a lot like Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcells, Chuck Knoll, Vince Lombardi, etc. These guys won a few games too.

  95. Love Me some Dola’, but my….he’s become pretty chatty lately. Best to take the stupid money the Dolphins offered and move on quietly.

  96. mumfio says:
    April 14, 2018 at 2:34 pm

    The Pats ran the ball down the Colts throat and won 45-7. Does anybody really believe they won by 38 points because of deflated footballs?
    ———————–

    No, because they played even better in the second half after the refs overinflated the footballs at halftime.

  97. eagleslakers says:
    April 14, 2018 at 10:21 am
    New England fans should be comforted by the fact that even if Butler played the Eagles would have beat them.
    ———————

    That reads more like Eagles fans comfort food.

  98. charliecharger says:
    April 14, 2018 at 10:07 am
    I’d like know what Belichick’s playoff won/loss record is without Tom Brady.

    In his only other job, he was the last guy to win a playoff game with the Browns franchise back in 1994. In his 30s was the DC for two Giants teams who won Super Bowls based on their defense

    Actually last browns playoff coach was Butch Davis, but nice try.

  99. turtlehut says:
    April 14, 2018 at 12:13 pm
    He is great because he has no ethics and cheats: In 2007 Belichick was officially fined $500,000 — the largest fine ever imposed on a coach in the league’s then-87-year history, and the maximum permitted under league rules.

    ——-

    So BB instructed a guy to film signals 10 ft from where it would have been “legal” to do so and it’s some huge ethics issue. Contrast that to Mike Tomlin actually tripping Jacoby Jones during a return play.

  100. redright88thefumblethedrive says:
    April 14, 2018 at 6:02 pm

    Actually last browns playoff coach was Butch Davis, but nice try.
    —————————–

    He lost, but nice try.

  101. I think The Patriots did Amendola a favor. He got his rings, and made a lot of key plays along the line earning them. Then they purposely low-ball him so he’d seek the highest bidder, getting some exit money. What I didn’t know until reading one of the previous posts, that there’s no state income tax in Fla. Why do players ever leave? That’s millions$$$$

  102. ronnyw222 says:
    April 14, 2018 at 2:55 pm
    drrichardrydze says:
    April 14, 2018 at 1:51 pm
    And the fact remains and always will remain: Belicheat has zero rings as a HC without cheating. None. He isn’t even anywhere close to the running for “greatest head coach of all time.” Without the cheating he was a colossal failure as a Head Coach.
    ——————
    He has 7 actually. So I gues that greatest of all time is there after all. Sorry if its that infuriating to admit.

    ——–

    He has two while fetching Bill Parcells coffee and zero legitimate rings as a Head coqch. Take away spy cameras, bugged locker rooms, fake “tuck rules” And phantom holding calls by paid off officials, filming other teams walk throughs and illegally deflating football’s and he’s still the moron who cut a franchise QB for a 3rd string Vinny Testaverde while being mediocre as a HC. Not even in the running for GOAT of all time. Really, the only discussion is who is worse Belicheat or Jeff Fisher.

    Sorry the truth hurts and your team will forever be tainted cheating losers Chowdahead.

  103. nhpats says:
    April 14, 2018 at 10:15 am
    vaphinfan says:
    April 14, 2018 at 10:02 am
    Yeah he never played for Shula so really he has no idea.
    ———–
    Amwndola had more SB rings than Don Shula
    ——
    No, he has the same number of SB winning rings as Shula as they each have two. Amendola also was on the losing side once and Shula 3 times, twice with the Dolphins and one time with the Colts. Amendola was only with the Pat’s 5 years even though it seems longer (props though, 3 SB’s in 5 years is still so solid) and I keep confusing his stat’s with Edelman’s.

  104. This is the start of the backlash against Belichick for not playing Malcolm Butler in the Super Bowl. Free agents and Patriot players will not want to play for the Patriots due to Belichick’s A-whole attitude against Malcolm Butler in the Super Bowl. I have posted about this in several posts.

  105. That is pretty stupid. He insulted his old coach and at the same time he is saying his new coach isn’t very good. 2 mistakes for the price of one.

  106. NFL players don’t want to play for BB anymore. Now that BB has put an exclamation point on the obvious fact that he is an A-hole with his mistreatment of Butler there is only one reason to play for NE. That reason is Tom Brady. Even that is starting to become not enough. Loyal players like Nate Solder and Amendola don’t want to deal with BB anymore. If Gronk was under contract he’d be playing in Miami too.

  107. Another Jilted Lover in Danny A. Hope he has lots of fun in Miami. They will be awful this year and even the Phin Fans know it. It does go to show that most football players now adays care more about having fun than winning as opposed to football players 40-50 years ago who just wanted to win and knew the kind of discipline that it took. Ever hear any players complaining about Halas, Lombardi, Chuck Knoll, Bear Bryant, Red Aurbach( For a hard nose NBA Coach) etc..?????? Those guys were all complete tyrants too. It speaks volumes about the generations we are producing in this country now. Belichick is the greatest of all coaches and that’s the reason why. All of the casts offs that are stabbing the team in the back will have a great time playing for teams that don’t win SuperBowls.

  108. No one on this board has any real knowledge of what goes on in the nfl including myself. We like to pretend we know what were talking about. Not a Patriots fan but you cant deny what BB has done, period. Name a coach with more SB wins and appearances…..ill give you a second…….no one? This day and age its so hard to repeat or win consistently for a few years. Pats have done it for 18 years..18! For those that think the pats cheat then that makes their run even more impressive and obviously the NFL brass are inept. Get over it guys, the pats have done something no NFL team will probably never do again.

  109. mmack66 says:
    April 14, 2018 at 6:22 pm
    redright88thefumblethedrive says:
    April 14, 2018 at 6:02 pm

    Actually last browns playoff coach was Butch Davis, but nice try.
    —————————–

    He lost, but nice try.

    Did I claim he won? Simply said he was the last one as in more recent then bb.

  110. It’s a league designed for everyone to go 8-8 and not repeat. In New England you can take less money and win every year or you can go elsewhere and take your chances. The Patriots simply manage differently than most other teams.

    It’s a philosophy that works but is hard to embrace. It’s not like the Cowboys are going to cut loose Dez Bryant to reallocate that money to other resources…oh wait….

    Go Patriots!

  111. He has two while fetching Bill Parcells coffee and zero legitimate rings as a Head coqch. Take away spy cameras, bugged locker rooms, fake “tuck rules” And phantom holding calls by paid off officials, filming other teams walk throughs and illegally deflating football’s and he’s still the moron who cut a franchise QB for a 3rd string Vinny Testaverde while being mediocre as a HC. Not even in the running for GOAT of all time. Really, the only discussion is who is worse Belicheat or Jeff Fisher.

    Sorry the truth hurts and your team will forever be tainted cheating losers j

    —-

    Belichick was the defensive coordinator and nerd genius behind those Giants Super Bowl victories. This is widely documented, understood and acknowledged—in large part by none other than Parcells, and all of the main players back then.

    There were no spy cameras—ALL teams (yes, yours too) filmed other teams signals. All of them. Do your homework.

    No bugged locker rooms. You flat out made that up. The Tuck rule was a real rule, enforced by an official. It wasn’t fake, and the Patriots didn’t enact it.

    The officials aren’t paid by the Pats, they never filmed anyone’s walkthrough, and finally, everyone with a brain knows that while Brady may prefer the footballs on the lighter side of legal, that’s exactly where they were tested to be.

    If you are the “truth” speaker, we are all in a boatload of trouble.

    Man—you must have absorbed some vicious beatings at the hands of Belichick and Brady over the years. Good luck – you aren’t handling reality too well.

  112. eagleslakers says:
    April 14, 2018 at 10:21 am
    New England fans should be comforted by the fact that even if Butler played the Eagles would have beat them.

    ==========//===============

    Too bad Butler was the Pats best tackler in their secondary, certainly would have helped compared to what they put out there.

  113. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    April 14, 2018 at 3:05 pm
    What cost the Patriots the SB was Brady’s terrible fumble and his luckluster performance in the first half. Take away those things plus his dropped pass then we are having a different conversation today.

    ============================

    This hot take is still frozen in the middle. Most times when a QB sets several SB passing records without an int, putting up 33pts and 500yds, and loses, reasonable people say the defense should have shown up. This, this is one of those times. Your “pats could win with a high school QB” argument made more sense. Try harder.

  114. “I have to laugh because no other coach has come close to Belichick’s success. Of course he’s a hard guy to work for, the people at the top in any industry usually are. Demanding and have the expectation you will work your rear end off and strive for perfection even though you can’t always achieve it.”

    Lombardi won 5 championships in 7 years, and lost just one playoff game ever. Funny that you use a Lombardi saying to justify Belichik’s greatness, “strive for perfection knowing that you can’t always achieve it”. Lombardi > Belichick

  115. I have a feeling there’s more to the Butler story and Belichick is doing Butler a solid by not disclosing it out of respect for what he gave the team for three years. What I’m not a fan of is Butler pretending he doesn’t know publicly.

  116. As a Bills fan, I hate saying this but when your company’s owner hires you to be plant manager, he’s not hiring you to be the employees best buddy. He is hiring you to see to it that you achieve success in making his company profitable and the best in the world. Bill Belichick achieved being the best team in the AFC 8 times and the best team in the world 5 times. Doesn’t matter if he was an a-hole when he did it.

    Fact is….he did it.

  117. nhpats says:
    April 14, 2018 at 10:15 am
    vaphinfan says:
    April 14, 2018 at 10:02 am
    Yeah he never played for Shula so really he has no idea.

    ———–

    Amwndola had more SB rings than Don Shula

    __________

    A Pats fan with no reading comprehension. Big surprise. This isn’t about rings, it’s about who was a bigger a-hole. Try again.

  118. ragnarthegreat says:
    April 14, 2018 at 11:11 am
    There is talent and there is chatacter. If you wonder about Bellichick’s talent, look at thier trophy case. If you wonder about his character, talk to the Jets who royalled screwed when and how he quit. or listen to all the allocations about cheating. There was a time when men like him were run out of sports not revered. I’ll concede his talent, but I am sorely disappointed in the fans who ignore the character issues.

    So easy to tell who played sports as well as which folks have no clue about players and coaches other that watching on tv. EVERY player in the NFl goes outside the lines to win. Every one. No other way to get there. Time to grow up Peter Pan.

  119. steelcurtainn says:
    April 14, 2018 at 9:29 pm
    Belichick is also the NFLs best cheater. Hands down.

    ———–

    Not even close. That award goes to the coach that tripped an opposing player in front of 50,000 fans

  120. The “you have to be a bit of a jerk to succeed” myth is a myth. Look at the last ten Super Bowl winning coaches. You’ve got Belichick twice, and Coughlin once. The other seven champions are coaches who players like. Pederson, Carroll, Kubiak, and guys like that are every bit as successful as the hard case types, if not more.

  121. Solder: Here’s a 5 page mash note about how the Patriots are an amazing organization that loves winning but also supported me completely as my son battled cancer.
    Media: Solder calls Patriots “cold”

    At a certain point you just have to laugh.

  122. So easy to tell who played sports as well as which folks have no clue about players and coaches other that watching on tv. EVERY player in the NFl goes outside the lines to win. Every one. No other way to get there. Time to grow up Peter Pan.

    No every player doesn’t go outside the lines. Not sure how you got elected to speak for them, but cheating is wrong or else why do they have rules? People who think like that are responsible for our broken economy and the problems we have in America today. The heads of drug cartels are fabulously wealthy from breaking the rules. Maybe you idolize them? Or is thinking that is wrong more Peter Pan stuff? There are plenty of people who believe in following the rules, doing for others when it doesn’t benefit themselves directly and setting a good example for our children. If you go to Churches and community centers you will meet tons of them. They are focused on doing what is right not what is right for them. But you won’t find one in the patriots head coach office or in your little slice of society where doing what is right is Peter Pan stuff.

  123. .
    Amendola will be IR’d by week 3.

    This is what his career is all about.
    Brady never threw to him until they got to the playoffs for this very reason.

  124. So BB instructed a guy to film signals 10 ft from where it would have been “legal” to do so and it’s some huge ethics issue. Contrast that to Mike Tomlin actually tripping Jacoby Jones during a return play.

    _________

    Lol, No BB instructed the guy to video signals so the Pats knew which plays the other team were running.

    And it wasn’t 10 feet. You weren’t allowed on the sideline to video and you had to be in an enclosed area. The rule was to prevent videoing signals.

    And to all you 7th grade science experts and the 21 science professors (with 17 of them having some connection to a Boston Univ). None of you actually tested the footballs used in the AFCCG. You just made a bunch of assumptions based on your preferred conclusion. None of you can explain the countless number of circumstantial evidence and none of you can explain why Brady nor the Pats fully cooperated.

    And it wasn’t about the score of the game. It was the fact Brady was cheating for a long time. The deflator goes back to the offseason.

    And btw, did the deflator find the urinal that didn’t exist.

  125. nhpats says:
    April 15, 2018 at 8:53 am

    Not even close. That award goes to the coach that tripped an opposing player in front of 50,000 fans
    ———————

    Sal Alosi?

  126. The NFL admits in Federal Court they had NO EVIDENCE there was any tampering, yet some poster has a name the evidence says otherwise! Exactly what non existent evidence are they referring to????
    Seems like they bought the 56 lies in the Wells Report, along with missing Wells stating Tom cooperated “completely “!
    You just can’t fix stupid.

  127. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    April 15, 2018 at 12:44 pm

    Lol, No BB instructed the guy to video signals so the Pats knew which plays the other team were running.
    And it wasn’t 10 feet. You weren’t allowed on the sideline to video and you had to be in an enclosed area. The rule was to prevent videoing signals.
    ————————-

    How many times do you bozos need to be told that it is legal to film signals before it goes through your thick skulls?

  128. redright88thefumblethedrive says:
    April 14, 2018 at 10:05 pm

    Did I claim he won? Simply said he was the last one as in more recent then bb.
    —————–

    No, but the post you responded to clearly stated that Belichick was the most recent Browns coach to WIN a playoff game.

  129. nhpats says:
    April 14, 2018 at 6:08 pm

    Contrast that to Mike Tomlin actually tripping Jacoby Jones during a return play.
    ———————-

    Tomlin never tripped anyone. He just got in the way.

  130. lanman11 says:
    April 14, 2018 at 5:24 pm
    Love Me some Dola’, but my….he’s become pretty chatty lately. Best to take the stupid money the Dolphins offered and move on quietly.

    ———

    I just hope Tannehill doesn’t hang Danny out and get him killed the way Gomer did with Wes Welker when he went to Denver

  131. Amendola will realize how much he misses Belichick after he loses a couple of games with the Dolphins.

  132. truthdispensary says:
    April 15, 2018 at 2:20 pm
    Belicheat *****

    —-

    Wow—good one!.

    You showed him!

  133. Bwahahahahahahahaha! Best coach at figuring out how to cheat the system. I’ll give him that.

  134. The NFL admits in Federal Court they had NO EVIDENCE there was any tampering, yet some poster has a name the evidence says otherwise! Exactly what non existent evidence are they referring to????
    Seems like they bought the 56 lies in the Wells Report, along with missing Wells stating Tom cooperated “completely “!
    You just can’t fix stupid.

    —————

    The NFL said they had no Direct evidence but they had substantial circumstantial evidence.

    And exactly what are the 56 lies. And Wells clearly stated Brady did not fully cooperate.

    When Pats fans continually distort the truth we know your team is guilty.

    Check out Wikipedia on BB and TB. Legacies are tarnished forever

  135. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    April 15, 2018 at 2:44 pm

    Check out Wikipedia on BB and TB. Legacies are tarnished forever
    —————————-

    Wikipedia? LMAO.

  136. Here’s the direct quote from Wells after interrogating Tom for more than 5 hours, “ totally cooperative”. Here is another quote about his phone “Keep the phone,I don’t think it undermines in any way the conclusions of the report”.
    Do some research and learn the truth , instead of believing Goodells lies.

  137. Over the years Belichik has made no secret of his contempt for the press, they know it, they hate it but as long as he is as successful as he has been (18+ years and counting) there’s not much they can do about it

    So

    They’re always on the lookout for chinks in the armor, signs that he’s slipping, that the players are revolting (?), etc.

    REPORT – Amendola says he’s an a-hole at times.

    So? Who among us isn’t one at times?

    Why did Belichik let Amendola walk? Could it be because he didn’t think he was worth the money? (Clue – How many other wide receivers suddenly become all-pro when #12 is throwing the passes? How do they do when they leave (for more money)?

    Remember Butler’s interception in SB 49 that won the game for the Pats? That play was rehearsed in Pats’ practice – ever seen the film?

    Remember the 7 P’s – Proper-Prior-Preparation-Prevents-Pi++-Poor-Performance.

  138. OMT – Every year the Pats’ final 53 man roster seems to have at least 9 new names.

    E.G. – Their roster for the 2017 SB had 20 names that hadn’t been on the roster for the 2015 SB.

  139. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    April 15, 2018 at 12:44 pm
    So BB instructed a guy to film signals 10 ft from where it would have been “legal” to do so and it’s some huge ethics issue. Contrast that to Mike Tomlin actually tripping Jacoby Jones during a return play.

    _________

    Lol, No BB instructed the guy to video signals so the Pats knew which plays the other team were running.

    And it wasn’t 10 feet. You weren’t allowed on the sideline to video and you had to be in an enclosed area. The rule was to prevent videoing signals.

    And to all you 7th grade science experts and the 21 science professors (with 17 of them having some connection to a Boston Univ). None of you actually tested the footballs used in the AFCCG. You just made a bunch of assumptions based on your preferred conclusion. None of you can explain the countless number of circumstantial evidence and none of you can explain why Brady nor the Pats fully cooperated.

    And it wasn’t about the score of the game. It was the fact Brady was cheating for a long time. The deflator goes back to the offseason.

    And btw, did the deflator find the urinal that didn’t exist.

    ========/=/==//=///

    Yikes, then you’ll have to explain why NFL admitted to no knowledge of how temperature effects PSI and why every scientific outlet not drawing a check from the NFL disagreed with Exponent, whtpy Goodells attys lied in court, why they hid the PSI reports and why PSI violations since then have not been scrutinized in the same way and punished. If you think Pats are guilt, you must think the Colts, Steelers Giants and others were guilty. If you don’tthink they are guilty of ball tampering you don’t know what your talking about. Not disputable.

  140. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    April 15, 2018 at 2:44 pm
    The NFL admits in Federal Court they had NO EVIDENCE there was any tampering, yet some poster has a name the evidence says otherwise! Exactly what non existent evidence are they referring to????
    Seems like they bought the 56 lies in the Wells Report, along with missing Wells stating Tom cooperated “completely “!
    You just can’t fix stupid.

    —————

    The NFL said they had no Direct evidence but they had substantial circumstantial evidence.

    And exactly what are the 56 lies. And Wells clearly stated Brady did not fully cooperate.

    When Pats fans continually distort the truth we know your team is guilty.

    Check out Wikipedia on BB and TB. Legacies are tarnished forever
    ========/==========

    Goodell lies in open court, contradicting his transcript testimony. Not the first time he’s perjured himself either as he did it in Rice case in regards to a question on how hard he sought the second tape. And scientific laws don’t care if you don’t believe in them, they goes right on being true

  141. Chill_Donahue says:
    April 14, 2018 at 10:43 pm

    eagleslakers says:
    April 14, 2018 at 10:21 am
    New England fans should be comforted by the fact that even if Butler played the Eagles would have beat them.

    ==========//===============

    Too bad Butler was the Pats best tackler in their secondary, certainly would have helped compared to what they put out there.

    ======================
    That “best tackler” allowed a 103.3 passer rating when targeted this year. I’m not so sure a guy like that would have helped as much as Pat fan would like to think he would. 103.3 passer rating allowed by a corner is trash.

    Butler made one great play that he probably will ever make in his career. You can’t judge how good a guy is by one play that happened 3 years ago.

  142. Now that BB has put an exclamation point on the obvious fact that he is an A-hole with his mistreatment of Butler
    ===========
    A guy who allowed a 103.3 passer rating this year when targeted was treated exactly as he should have been.

    In other words…enjoy the view from the bench Malcolm.

  143. nhpats says:
    April 15, 2018 at 8:53 am

    steelcurtainn says:
    April 14, 2018 at 9:29 pm
    Belichick is also the NFLs best cheater. Hands down.

    ———–

    Not even close. That award goes to the coach that tripped an opposing player in front of 50,000 fans

    ======
    Pat fan sure loves to play the whatabout game don’t they.

  144. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    April 14, 2018 at 3:05 pm
    What cost the Patriots the SB was Brady’s terrible fumble and his luckluster performance in the first half. Take away those things plus his dropped pass then we are having a different conversation today.
    ==========
    If Brady played an MVP level game for 60 minutes instead of 28 the Pats win by double digits and it wouldn’t matter what the defense did or didn’t do and who played or didn’t play.

    Foles was the superior QB that day, and the better team won.

  145. Highly doubt anyone other than BB and MB knows why he was benched, but since it was for the whole game it must have been something big. He only benched Welker for the first series after his foot jokes at the pre-AFCCG press conference, which was a direct affront to BB’s authority.

  146. Braz says:

    That “best tackler” allowed a 103.3 passer rating when targeted this year. I’m not so sure a guy like that would have helped as much as Pat fan would like to think he would. 103.3 passer rating allowed by a corner is trash.

    Butler made one great play that he probably will ever make in his career. You can’t judge how good a guy is by one play that happened 3 years ago.

    ==================

    Eagles had lots of chunk yardage that broke through Pats front 7 defense. Butler would most certainly could have helped on those plays more than the other, less experienced bodies they threw out there. Butler still was still much better than what they had out there, and obviously is a much more playoff tested player. He also was pretty good against Jacksonville in a very tight AFCC game (6 tackles., allowed only 2 catches 44yds).

    And its incorrect to call him a one play wonder when since then he’s been both a Pro Bowler and an All Pro second teamer. David Tyree, now that’s a one play wonder.

  147. Braz says:

    If Brady played an MVP level game for 60 minutes instead of 28 the Pats win by double digits and it wouldn’t matter what the defense did or didn’t do and who played or didn’t play.

    Foles was the superior QB that day, and the better team won

    ===================================

    Foles was playing a much worse defense than Brady, the only thing he did better than Brady was play receiver. Foles was very impressive but Brady had a much tougher challenge and put up historic numbers. He is the first QB to hang 500yds without a pick and lose in ANY game in NFL history, asking more is asking for something that has never been done. Brady set the SB benchmark and he did it without his top 2 WRs. This loss will always be on the Pats defense. The Eagles offense had their way with them.

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