Could another 49ers-Patriots quarterback trade be looming?

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Last season, the Patriots and 49ers provided a major surprise with a deal that sent quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo from New England to San Francisco. Six months later, could they possibly get together for another quarterback deal?

As the draft approaches, there’s a sense that the top four quarterbacks have been whittled to a top three, with separation developing between the trio of Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, and Baker Mayfield and Josh Rosen, who many regard as the guy with the highest floor of all 2018 quarterbacks. If Rosen trickles out of the top five and if neither the Dolphins nor the Bills jump up to No. 6 (Colts), No. 7 (Bucs), or No. 8 (Bears) to get him, the 49ers will be sitting there at No. 9.

Given that the Patriots essentially gave Garoppolo to Kyle Shanahan and company for a second-round pick, would Shanahan and the 49ers be reasonable in their demands, if the Patriots offer, say, the 23rd overall pick and the 31st overall pick for the ability to draft Rosen? While other teams may be inclined to squeeze the Pats for one of their two second-round picks as well, the 49ers realize that they got their franchise quarterback from Belichick for what amounts to a steal. This would be an easy way to settle up, allowing the Pats to get their successor to Tom Brady.

All of this assumes, of course, that the Patriots want Rosen. If they do, and if he’s there at No. 9, it makes too much sense for the 49ers and Patriots to do another quarterback-driven deal.

Since this topic was inspired by one of the excellent questions posed by the #PFTPMPosse for Wednesday’s afternoon podcast, here’s where I mention that you should listen to the whole thing, and that you can by clicking below.

99 responses to “Could another 49ers-Patriots quarterback trade be looming?

  1. I dont see Rosen getting past the top 5, I feel like out of all the QBs besides maybe baker, hes the most NFL ready. Allen is very raw, darnold too and turned over alot of balls, lamar is a bit of a wildcard, could he flame out and be a bust? Or, does he turn into another Deshaun Watson? If the pats go with a QB, I think it will be white from wku or Lauletta from Richmond, who honestly should be gettinf more hype

  2. Baker Mayfield is not > Rosen.

    Any front office that has him ahead on their board needs to be cleaned out and start with some of the guys on this chat board.

    #GiveNonNepotismCandidatesAChance

  3. The 49ers aren’t going to lower their demands if the Patriots call simply because Garoppolo was traded for “just a second round pick”. If they’re in a position to trade down it’ll go to the highest bidder.

  4. Am I the only one worried about Darnold getting too bulked up?

    He’s a mobile scrambly, make plays guy.

    Maybe reading too much into it but he looked bulky at the Jones throwing session.

  5. Belichick is not trading two first rounders for a rookie QB.

    He’s not taking one in the first, let alone trading multiple picks for one. They’ll take one in the second or third, but they aren’t moving into the top 10 for a guy that will sit the bench for at least two years.

  6. Um, no, you don’t help your team by doing favors to another team and not maximizing your own returns. Can you name a single instance where this has happened before (intentionalIy, and don’t cite Garoppolo as example because the Pats weren’t looking to the 49ers a favor, they were seeking to accomplish their own objectives, whether or not you agree with those objectives).

  7. As a niner guy this makes sense. We can get a top WR, CB or a LB at picks 23 and 31. Plenty of talent at bottom of round 1.
    I wouldn’t go after a 2nd in the 2018 draft but maybe ask for 2 1’s this year and a 3rd next year.
    This is value for pick 9 but definitely repaying the gift we received when we gave a 2nd for Garoppolo.
    Karma.

  8. Z SPORTS NETWORK says:
    April 18, 2018 at 6:39 pm
    Baker Mayfield is not > Rosen.

    Any front office that has him ahead on their board needs to be cleaned out and start with some of the guys on this chat board.

    #GiveNonNepotismCandidatesAChance

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    Check out some of the front offices that are in this running.

  9. .
    It’s apparent that the Patriots did Garopollo, his agent Don Yee, and the 49ers a great favor by moving Jimmy G when they did. If Rosen fell to #9 and the Patriots were interested, then a deal makes sense for both teams. The Patriots get the QB they want and the 49ers get 2 highly ranked players instead of 1. And let’s not forget that San Francisco could use more bodies.
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  10. The cheaters HAD a guy who was groomed for 4 years and ready to take control, and they gave him away for peanuts. Why? Who knows, but it was a titanic error that will cost them for a decade.
    Now, they beg for pity from the Niners..
    Downright hilarious..

  11. No QB is worthy of a fight to move up this year. They need to keep their two first and double their chances of finding a player.

  12. BB has his eye on a guy that will fall to the 6th round and BB will pick him up. In 15 years guys like Bill Polian will claim he had this guy slotted as a 1st round pick

  13. Look I wish Jimmy the best, and if timing was different contractually I love them to still be on the patriots, but he played in seven games over four years. Let’s not anoint him the next Joe Montana just yet. I remember a certain Dak Prescott becoming the next Troy Aikman after one season and now it’s back to the drawing board after a bad second year.

    Let’s just see how Jimmy does this year and who the patriots get with that second round pick and decide in a year or two how it worked out. Oh never mind that would make too much sense

  14. Josh Rosen makes a ton of sense in that both the franchise and player are completely unlikable.

  15. Maybe we should wait until Garoppolo pays a full season as a starter before he is crowned as the next Joe Montana.

  16. So let me get this straight. They HAD a quarterback that they groomed for years. Then they traded him away. And now they’re gonna give up 2 first rounders for an unproven rookie?

  17. This article makes absolutely zero sense. 1) It’s too early to tell if the Niners got a steal on G or not… wayyyyy too early to tell. 2) If he ends up sucking (or even if he’s amazing and would have ended up sucking) — the Pats would never have given anything “back” in return for fleecing the Niners. 3) Business is business. You don’t stay ahead in this league by “doing favors” when it comes to draft capital.

  18. This would be so perfect. All of the teams at the top that desperately need quarterbacks pass on Rosen for dumb reasons that have nothing to do with football and the Patriots wind up scooping him up.

    There’s a reason certain teams seem to find themselves at the top of the draft year after year

  19. “This would be an easy way to settle up”…What am I reading? Lynch should be fired if he takes anything less than the best offer. Plus Bills have more draft ammo and a trade happy GM.

    Feeling bad for the Patriots because they got robbed on a trade…nope!

    Did the Pats even get robbed or is hindsight 20/20? Got the #43 pick which at the time was looking like the #33 pick – 49ers hadnt won a game at the time.

  20. george1859 says:
    April 18, 2018 at 6:52 pm
    The cheaters HAD a guy who was groomed for 4 years and ready to take control, and they gave him away for peanuts. Why? Who knows, but it was a titanic error that will cost them for a decade.
    Now, they beg for pity from the Niners..
    Downright hilarious..

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    You realize that this article is pure speculation and that there is no evidence whatsoever that the patriots have even spoken to the 49ers or asked for any thing from them right?

  21. Pats won’t wait till pick 9, Rosen won’t be there. Maybe they’ll try and trade Gronk to 49ers for the #9 pick. That will give them 3 1st rd picks in this years draft and enough ammo to trade up high enough to get their QB in the top 5

  22. Rosen & Darnold are Top 2.
    Allen is trash and I think on the field Jackson will be as competent (or incompetent) as Mayfield in the NFL.

  23. Why not let Tom go home to the Bay area and trade him for the pick? You guys keep saying it’s Brady vs Belichick, Tom vs Bill.

  24. Not BB’s style. Far more likely is that there is a guy they’ll take in the 3rd round that no one thinks that much of. He’ll sit behind Brady to 2-3 years and then make people wonder why no one took him earlier.

  25. Not BB’s style. Far more likely is that there is a guy they’ll take in the 3rd round that no one thinks that much of. He’ll sit behind Brady to 2-3 years and then make people wonder why no one took him earlier.

  26. As long as Belicheat can protect Brady with a stout (i.e., forceful, spirited, vigorous) O-line, then Brady can play until he’s 50 lol

    But in the meantime, just as was the case with “Jimmy G” you can be certain that the Patriots will seek out more “trade bait” such as Sam Darnold who is not ready for an NFL start and could definitely use time holding a clipboard for the next 2-3 years under the tutelage of Belicheat/Brady.

  27. I’m still amazed people are saying the Patriots “gave” the Niners Jimmy G. There was no way the Pats were going to re-sign him when there were teams willing to give him a shot at starting QB money. They lost enough key pieces as it is this off-season due to the cap, yet you still got people saying they should’ve paid him big money to hold a clipboard? No one really knew what he was and we possibly still don’t over such a small sample size. The Pats got what they could for him and the Niners were willing to gamble more than the other suitors. Kudos to them if they found their guy. But there’s no way any team, let alone the one controlled by the most successful HC of all time is going to do “favors” for another team. If anything he did a favor to Jimmy G by not trading him to Cleveland.

  28. Send TB12 to San Francisco. That’ll teach him not to skip the first day of training camp.
    Uh, Training camp starts late July early August. These are voluntary OTA’s.
    Follow football much?

  29. george1859 says:
    April 18, 2018 at 6:52 pm

    The cheaters HAD a guy who was groomed for 4 years and ready to take control, and they gave him away for peanuts. Why?
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    I know why and so does anyone else who remotely follows the NFL. You can’t pay $23M for your backup QB.

  30. george1859 says:
    April 18, 2018 at 6:52 pm
    The cheaters HAD a guy who was groomed for 4 years and ready to take control, and they gave him away for peanuts. Why? Who knows, but it was a titanic error that will cost them for a decade.
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    Yes except the track record of the Patriots is to maximize their draft picks because they rarely pick below #31 in the first round yet they seem to have the formula because they seem to have been pretty competitive since 2001.

  31. The Pats never operate out of desperation, that’s not going to change. They’ve been taking QB’s every year and turning them into picks because of their potential from sitting behind the greatest tandem in history, unfortunately, they had one that was too good to keep waiting or they’d be set up.

  32. Not going to happen. The 49ers are sure they won that trade. Jimmy G has started 7 NFL games.

  33. Yeah people want to celebrate Jimmy G, and they forget all the rest of that QB “tree”. If you’re still dumb enough to believe in that you’re either from New England or patently illiterate. Or wait….grabs the Thesaurus.

  34. mentallywoozy says:
    April 18, 2018 at 8:57 pm
    Nothing but a ploy to make the Bills/Jets/Dolphins reach and take a bad QB and set their franchises back another 10 years.

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    I don’t believe there’s any HoF QBs in this draft but I also don’t know that there’s any bad ones. Depends on expectations. And with all due no franchise is going to be set back “10 years”. Ridiculous.

  35. nhpats says:
    April 18, 2018 at 7:15 pm
    BB has his eye on a guy that will fall to the 6th round and BB will pick him up. In 15 years guys like Bill Polian will claim he had this guy slotted as a 1st round pick

    Because what, that’s happened once in the history of the NFL? Get over yourselves.

  36. raiderrob21 says:
    April 18, 2018 at 7:40 pm
    Pats won’t wait till pick 9, Rosen won’t be there. Maybe they’ll try and trade Gronk to 49ers for the #9 pick. That will give them 3 1st rd picks in this years draft and enough ammo to trade up high enough to get their QB in the top 5

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    Gronk not worth 1st round pick. Maybe a 3rd.

  37. If the Patriots trade with the 49ers for a QB, it won’t be for a rookie; it would be a mid-round pick for C.J. Beathard.

  38. I think Belichick would look at the best current back up QB’s and make a trade before he’d mortgage 2 1st round picks in desperation for QB. I’d be surprised. If Brady retired it’s the Brian Hoyer show.

  39. You all keep forgetting Pats didn’t just get a 2nd they really also got Hoyer, a ready-made Patriot trained backup and Brady’s pal, with salary paid by the 9ers. To the Pats, who with Brady playing at least the remaining 2yrs of his contract couldn’t afford to keep JimmyG anyway, getting Hoyer plus a 2nd was not a bad deal.

  40. george1859 says:
    April 18, 2018 at 6:52 pm
    Now, they beg for pity from the Niners. Downright hilarious..
    elrock7 says:
    April 18, 2018 at 7:07 pm
    Settle up? Why because the pats are entitled? They deserve no sympathy. I thought BB was the smartest dude ever. Lol.
    mentallywoozy says:
    April 18, 2018 at 8:57 pm
    Nothing but a ploy to make the Bills/Jets/Dolphins reach..
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    Guys, this isn’t a real plan, it’s mere idle speculation by outsiders in the absence of knowing. You’ve lost the ability to separate fact from fantasy.

  41. First off, the Patriots didn’t just give JG away for nothing. They had to either make some deal because they weren’t going to be able to keep him. Chances are what they got was as much as they were going to get. Secondly, the Niners shouldn’t give any discount but get as much as they can in a trade (I’m sure Patriots fans think differently). I’m sure if BB was in the same position he wouldn’t do any team a favor like that and neither should anyone else.

    If you go by the draft trade chart, the #9 pick is worth 1350 points. The 23rd pick is worth 760 and the 31st is worth 600. That adds up to 1360 points so that would be a fairly even trade an no other draft picks would/should be involved. In all fairness the Niners would need to swap 6th round picks to make the trade totally even. By the way, NE’s second round picks are worth 470 and 276. If a team asked for either of those in addition to #23 and #31 then I’d be surprised if BB, or any prudent GM/Coach, would make that trade unless they feel who they are getting is a near miss (like what Ditka gave up to get Ricky Williams).

  42. The deal for Jimmy G was made when Belichick sat down with Kyle Shanahan at the combine after the Super Bowl and explained how the Patriots came back while shutting down Shanahan’s offense. Shanahan’s dad, Mike, was one of the few Belichick supporters during past controversies, so Belichick probably didn’t mind doing him a favor. With Lynch and Shanahan starting a new gig in San Francisco, they could use the good PR of bringing in a QB for a second round pick. They likely did not want to risk the bad PR of trading away their first round pick until Garoppolo was more of a known quantity. It has been reported that the Patriots were offered more by other teams, though they may have been in the AFC and the Patriots may have wanted to avoid trading him within the conference. It’s not out of the question that they made a handshake deal to work together in this draft if an opportunity comes up for the Patriots. Acquiring the extra first-round pick for Brandin Cooks makes this an actual possibility. However, as has been pointed out before, I doubt the Patriots invest that kind of capital in a quarterback that likely will not be playing for a while. Tom has made a big deal about playing more than just a couple of more years. His brand is somewhat dependent on that. I doubt he wants to back away from that, and as long as he gives the team the best chance to win, he’ll be the quarterback. I’d venture to say that he’ll be the quarterback somewhat beyond that point as well, as he has a lot of capital within the organization. They may have to drag him out of the locker room with his cleats still on.

  43. Please stop with the “Patriots might trade up for a QB” talk. One, trading UP is not the Patriot way, and two, look at the QB’s they have drafted, Brady, round 6; Cassel, Round 7; Jimmy G, end of round 2; Ryan Mallet, middle of round 3; and a few whose names you probably wouldn’t recognize, but all taken later than Mallet. Big name first round pick is not their style.

  44. Drafting a qb that high would likely end the Brady era…I don’t think the Pats are in a hurry to do that.

  45. How many people heard of Garoppolo before the Pats drafted him? Or for that matter – Brady?

    Without the right coach the QB will not be as good as he could have been. Brady and Belichik – the greatest coach QB combo EVER, but what if they hadn’t hooked up? Would we have known how great Brady could have been? I don’t think so.

    Unitas – 9th round, cut, a year in sandlot fb, the Colts called and bingo. Starr – 20th round or whatever. Staubach – drafted and served his Navy time and then he did ok. Montana – 3rd round. Brady – 6th round. Cleveland is going to take one of these kids and he;’ll get eaten alive because they have no o-line and in a few years he’s gone. They should draft some offensive linemen and build a line, then the QB free agents might be interested, or they can get a qb then. The wreck they have made of that team is sad, and they’re going to keep it up.

    All the qbs this year (and every year) have technical skills, but the one you want is the one who comes on the field with his team behind by 5 points in the 4th quarter and the fate of the universe on the line and says to the guys – “I’ve got this. Just do what I say”, and they believe him.

    Remember the 2002 SB when John Madden said “What Tom Brady has done gives me goose-bumps.” Remember how leery the Falcons were of Brady when they were ahead 28-3, and remember how much confidence the Pats had in him.

  46. Funny with all the BLATANT LYING teams do to eachother and the media year round that you speculate and suggest the ludicrous possibility of the Niners and Pats skipping off into the sunset together holding hands. There is no empathy tied to these deals. Only washed-up, has-been, retread coaches appearing in all 32 episodes of the pathetic comedy known as the NFL are where the favors are at. And it ain’t no favor to us sucker fans

  47. The article says…”Given that the Patriots essentially gave Garoppolo to Kyle Shanahan and company for a second-round pick, would Shanahan and the 49ers be reasonable in their demands, if the Patriots offer”

    A bad premise. It essentially means that if a trade works out the way one side hoped for, then that side should be more accommodating in the future…which means that if Garoppolo was a failure, the patriots should feel bad and make a better trade deal next time with the 49ers??

  48. Interesting that Rosen is now considered such a risky pick. Beyond Darnold, who legitimately seems like the safest pick, we have a big, rocket-armed fellow who shows every sign of being hopelessly inaccurate. Then there’s the guy who reminds people, uncomfortably so, of Johnny Manziel. Scattershot and Party Boy still appear to be top-five picks, while the outspoken liberal, Rosen, is suddenly a bust waiting to happen. The NFL seems to have already initiated Rosen’s draft free-fall. Perhaps there are real concerns about his ability to play at the next level, but Allen and Mayfield have exhibited at least as many red flags.

  49. The patriots will do what the patriots do in the modern Brady era…draft a qbs in the 3rd..4th round and developed them in the patriots system as backups…..caseload…Boyer…briskill….mr. G……they are good but NOT GREAT. THE will use Brady COMPLETLY up till the very end. Only THEN will they worry about it.

  50. Bellichick will not offer two 1st round picks for Rosen. Bellichick already has his qb of the future in mind and he can get him in the third round.

    Hoody will take the qb out of western Kentucky .

  51. Lower picks save $ on the Salary cap. Would like to see pats move both first round picks, maybe one for a second and third and perhaps trade a number one for a number one next year and a number two this year.

  52. If Rosen slips to #9, it’s worth it to move up since he the best pure quarterback in the draft. I’m not suggesting that he will be the best quarterback, only that his game translates the best since he plays in the pocket and runs an NFL style offense. Unlike Garoppolo who wouldn’t take a moderate financial package to back up Brady for one or two more years, Rosen would benefit from the transition and be on a rookie deal. It’s kind of a joke that people believe the Patriots should draft the Richmond QB because the kid’s dad went to Navy, Belichick’s favorite school. Most likely, Rosen will be gone in the top five and this won’t be a discussion. It’s more like that Rudolph will be around at the end of Round 1 or when the Patriots are up with their first pick in the second round.

  53. This article really brings out the desperation. You can feel the terror. The terrifying notion in the back of their minds that they just can’t shake. Can BB do it again? No way he pulls another Brady out of a sixth round. I believe the term is “whistling past the graveyard”. Whether he does or not, watching them squirm is almost as good as a playoff win.

  54. I know stranger things have happened but I don’t see Rosen making it that far… Browns and Jets definitely take QBs and probably at least one of Giants or Broncos… Colts will be open for business with Bills, Cardinals, Dolphins etc at 6.

  55. If the Pats move up, it’ll be for Bradley Chubb, not a QB. They haven’t had opportunity to draft a blue chip, can’t miss pass rusher in years. Chubb would cure a lot of ills on that defense.

  56. “Hey buddy, I’dd do you a favor and trade you my 1st round pick at a discount. It might hurt our chances of winning the division, but that’s ok” – said no GM ever.

  57. Jesus the Jimmy G hype might be getting out of hand…I’m not saying dude didn’t look legit, or won’t be good…
    But after 6 games he’s the next Brady is the vibe off this hype. Treacherous territory

  58. Dean H says:
    April 19, 2018 at 12:52 am
    Bellichick will not offer two 1st round picks for Rosen. Bellichick already has his qb of the future in mind and he can get him in the third round.

    Hoody will take the qb out of western Kentucky .

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    Oh great, spoiler alert! Now the Jets or Buffalo will take him to spite BB. Thanks.

  59. flviking says:
    April 18, 2018 at 9:15 pm

    raiderrob21 says:
    April 18, 2018 at 7:40 pm
    Pats won’t wait till pick 9, Rosen won’t be there. Maybe they’ll try and trade Gronk to 49ers for the #9 pick. That will give them 3 1st rd picks in this years draft and enough ammo to trade up high enough to get their QB in the top 5

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    Gronk not worth 1st round pick. Maybe a 3rd.
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    I wouldn’t even give them a conditional 6th for Gronk right now.

  60. Pats will take a QB in 3rd round or later… The question is will they move up in the first round for some D-LINE help?

  61. Im not so sure here. The Pats have no immediate need at QB that they need to stretch to get a top guy, what they need is a good talented guy to coach up over the next couple years. They dont need to trade up to get that. They are better off keeping the current position and fattening the team. Get their developmental guy deep in the first (still plenty of raw talent around) and use the other one to fatten their line.

  62. egomaniac247 says:
    April 18, 2018 at 7:26 pm
    So let me get this straight. They HAD a quarterback that they groomed for years. Then they traded him away. And now they’re gonna give up 2 first rounders for an unproven rookie?

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    Only if the media is to be believed. The Pats themselves have not spoken on this.

  63. BB and Bob Kraft have a way of not paying their guys and showing them the door. Pay attention Tom and Gronk.

  64. Gronk is positively worth a top 10 pick. BCooks landed the 23rd pk. Giants were asking 2 1rst rnders for Beckham. Anyone that doesn’t think Brady is worth multiple 1rst rnd pks must be watching the kind of FBall they play with that round ball.

  65. Gronk is positively worth a top 10 pick. BCooks landed the 23rd pk.
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    Unlike Gronk, Cooks isn’t openly contemplating retirement and nobody is questioning his dedication to football. The odds the Pats get a high pick for Gronk is zero unless they get lucky and find a team with historical levels of stupidity.

    And nobody is trading even one first round pick for a 41 year old QB whose window is closing at any time. No way. No how.

  66. Nobody thinks Gronk is retiring. He’s trying to voice his displeasure with Belichik, maybe get some more money or maybe even shoot his way out of town. The Saints traded an injury prone JGraham and got an All Pro center and a 1rst end pk. The top TE’s make half what the top WRs make. If anyone thinks Jax or a team like that wouldn’t trade 2 1rsts for 2-3 yrs of Brady, they’re nuts. We’ll never know.

  67. All the teams wanting/needing QB’s and all the professionals reviewing film and ranking players can’t agree on the separation of the QB’s at the top of the draft.

    To me that means one thing. There is no way one draft has 4 (or more) QB’s with top 5 value. At this point if the debate can’t be reduced to one or two QB’s, NONE of them should be drafted top 5. Take the pass rushers, Linemen and the running back.

    Its going to be Williams, Young and Bush revisited. Sure, solid picks with great careers. But they had top 15 careers, not top 3 careers.

    Barkley and Chubb are more likely to have top pick careers.
    Are these QB’s Ponder, Bradford, RGIII and Locker?
    They don’t appear to be Wentz and Goff. If one or two could be, he’d have risen to the top.

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