Inaccuracy talk bugs Josh Allen

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Wyoming quarterback Josh Allen has enjoyed the draft process. Well, most of it.

During a recent visit with PFT Live, Allen admitted that the amount of time that people have to talk about the draft on TV, radio, the Internet, etc. can become a little tiring. So I asked him what about the ongoing chatter regarding Josh Allen bugs him the most.

“The inaccuracy issue,” Allen said. “Going back to college having a 56-percent completion percentage. Obviously, it’s not great. But I think that it’s a little blown out of proportion. I do think that I’m accurate. Jordan Palmer’s helped me out a lot throughout this process with getting my feet right. Once we did that [I’m] throwing the ball a little easier. The ball’s coming out and where it’s supposed to be.”

So why the low completion percentage?

“I think if you look at the film at the times that I did miss, my feet were jacked,” Allen said. “Going back to our offensive system I was asked to do a lot of things within our system. Threw the ball downfield a lot. I am the one to admit that I didn’t put the ball where it needed to be all the time. But, you know, given the circumstances that we had in Wyoming, we won two back-to-back eight-win seasons. It was a place where we ended up winning football games. I think that I helped out in that manner putting the team in the best position to win football games.”

Others have explained the situation in similar fashion, and others have the freedom to say that maybe Allen’s receivers weren’t sufficiently skilled to catch his throws more often. Allen won’t say that; instead, he freely admits that he consistently didn’t put the ball where it needed to be. While that’s a fair concern, the fact that he won’t blame any of it on his receivers is a sign that he is and will be a good teammate at the next level, which is an underrated aspect of whether and to what extent his NFL teammates will want to embrace him — or whether they’ll want to punch him in the face.

Literally.

61 responses to “Inaccuracy talk bugs Josh Allen

  1. I trust the scouts to watch the film and see if t was a bad route, bad throw, missed catch, bad feet correctible, bad arm not correctible, etc. ,,,,,

    I trust myself to know I am not willing to watch all that film.

  2. Sounds like the kid has some good people in his corner coaching him on all the right things to say right now. Acknowledge the issue, talk about the work you’ve done to fix it, and don’t blame others. We shall see if his game transitions.

  3. He should’ve been more accurate in college.
    It is interesting how Lamar Jackson is NEVER asked about his accuracy, or lack thereof. He never eclipsed 60% completion % in college. That’s very interesting for a QB who looks to run if his first read isn’t open.
    One must wonder why Allen is asked about his completion % in college while Jackson is protected from that same inquiry. What could it be that makes the media so afraid to ask Jackson the same question that they happily ask Allen?

  4. The reality is that accuracy and completion percentage rarely ever improve for a QB going from college to the NFL. It’s natural for people to raise questions about it, especially if they’re going to spend a top 5 pick on him (which I believe would be a mistake).

  5. Why do these media people and microwave analysts speak as if there aren’t TONS of different reasons for todays “completion percentage”? System, competition level, situations, defenses, coaches input, QB decision making, receivers, (not relying on excess TE & RB targets), offensive line, and on and on and on. But they act as if it is as equal and reliable for true comparisons as an SAT test. smh. Microwave analysts and media folk in the NFL. That is why they are always the last to get it. I tell you, often the everyday enthusiasts do a better job than the ones with the mikes in their faces for a living. smh.

    Of course he is sick of it. They say things a hundred times, pick up what other media are saying, and then fans begin to say it, and then the player is labeled with it as if it is truth. Career killing sometimes.

  6. It’s not for Allen to point on the reasons why… it’s up to the media and analysts to figure out the reasons why. For example, I’ve heard that the system they ran in Wyoming didn’t thrown many screens if any. Well, 3-4 screens per game equates to about 50 screens per season and those are plays you’ll complete over 90% on. How about those downfield throws? At what percentage did he throw the ball more than 15-yards downfield per game? Is that number comparable to what the other possible first round QB’s threw or is it greater? In other words, was the offensive system he was playing in conducive to a lower percentage that the system the other potential first round QB’s were playing in? And that’s all before we begin to analyze the hands and drop percentages of the players around him. His completion percentage NEEDS to be put in context and putting things in context and going that extra step is not something lazy media people and lazy analysts want to do.

  7. Josh Allen looked pretty good at the Senior Bowl. I am wondering if the Pats are talking up Lamar Jackson, if they aren’t really eyeing Mason Rudolph.

  8. Scenario #1. The ball is snapped, three D-Linemen are in the backfield as soon as you receive the snap, you have no time, you miraculously avoid the rush and sprint out right, your 4.9 WR is covered by a 4.5 CB, you continue to roll right, you catch the other WR streaking across the middle 35 yards downfield, as a defender is grabbing your left arm and pulling you down, you somehow get the ball in the hands of your WR, he drops the perfectly thrown ball. That’s 0-1 on the stat sheet. Scenario #2. The ball is snapped, you have 3 future pro prospects on your O-Line, you have 2 future NFL WR’s who run 4.4, they take off downfield, the defense runs with them double teaming both guys, your slot guy drops behind the line of scrimmage uncovered, you flip a 7 yard screen pass to him and he runs 65 yards for a TD. That looks great on the stat sheet. Now you know why Bill Walsh hated it when someone started reciting those meaningless stats. Just watch the film. If you don’t like Josh Allen, don’t draft him. Let him slip down to Bill Belichick. He’ll draft him.

  9. This Draft Classes 1st QB bust. He is around a 50% completion from High School to College. It’s why he didn’t get recruited to good conference. No improvement means he will never get better. Only fool’s think accuracy can be taught, not with a football it lust can’t. Mike Glennon anyone? Another horrid thing he doesn’t have is Touch on his passes. Big arms means something only if you can’t sustain drives. Then it’s Hail Mary time.

  10. Kid don’t listen to these armchair geeks just go do your thing. If these imbeciles were all gm’s guysmlike brady, warner and romo wouldn’t even have gotten a sniff

  11. I’d be curious to see data on his completion % on short-middle-long routes vs. the other top QB’s. We’re talking about completing an additional 1 pass in every 10 throws. If QB John Doe typically threw more short-mid routes vs. another who threw longer routes at a higher rate, I would expect a different completion %. Again, I’ll trust the talent scouts who are watching every throw he’s ever made to determine if he can complete 1 additional pass per 10 attempts – which would literally put him at elite status…..LOL. That’s why I love the draft…..experts come out from literally everywhere.

  12. Good to see that he is getting some help from Jordan Palmer. If anyone can help him succeed it’s a guy who played for 6 different NFL teams and accumulated 59 career passing yards

  13. Well, get use to it because it comes with the territory. Ask Tom Brady if there’s stuff people say about him that bugs him ? No matter how ell you do, people are going to talk about your game and how you should be doing something better. I’m sure that buttload of money you are about to receive will help ease your pain.

  14. I predict a 2nd round. He just isn’t an NFL QB.. Perhaps a year or 2 in the CFL??
    I will give him one thing, he seems to be a team player, that is huge in the NFL, getting and keeping those Big guys up front blocking for you is something head jockeys don’t get..

  15. Lower completion percentage when the schemes don’t have lots of screens and easy passes wouldn’t bother me. Taking off too soon, trying to save the play with your legs would bother me. Lamar Jackson is Tyrod Taylor 2.0, just faster.

  16. Jeff George arm without the arrogance and he’s way more coachable. His arm is definitely 1st round worthy, but he’s not even close to being ready to start. So what? He’s a qb, of course he will go higher than he should. Draft him, coach him, say a prayer… just like every other qb ever taken not named Manning or Luck.

  17. dryzzt23 says:
    April 22, 2018 at 10:55 am
    He should’ve been more accurate in college.
    It is interesting how Lamar Jackson is NEVER asked about his accuracy, or lack thereof. He never eclipsed 60% completion % in college. That’s very interesting for a QB who looks to run if his first read isn’t open.
    One must wonder why Allen is asked about his completion % in college while Jackson is protected from that same inquiry. What could it be that makes the media so afraid to ask Jackson the same question that they happily ask Allen?

    The main answer is that Jackson isn’t considered to be a top 5 pick, so there is less scrutiny. Some say that he will either go last in the first round or even into the second. Flaws are expected. You pick someone top 5 you are basically saying, “NFL Ready.” May not always work that way but the salary difference says the expectations are very very different.

    Second, Jackson improved over his three years, finishing with a 59.1 CMP% which most would say is “correctable”. By contrast, Allen declined, or at least stayed flat through his three years of college, finishing with a 56.3. Most people would call that a greater risk in the accuracy department.

    Finally I would argue that people did call him out. There were people, more than Polian, who said Jackson should become a WR. Why did no one look at Allen and say, “Maybe you should become a TE?”

  18. Go back to the 2014 draft. 4 years later, are people excited for Manziel, Bridgewater, Bortles, Carr, or Garoppolo. Until last season many thought Bortles was a bust (there are only 6 players from the 2014 draft with more rushing yards than him). Carr and Garoppolo seem like the draft bargains compared with the injured Bridgewater and Johnny football.

    Cleveland’s OL is a disaster. 50 sacks allowed. Are they trying to get the QB killed? Look at Green Bay, Arizona where the QB gets hurt. No wonder why Luck did not come back last season. Look at Jacksonville’s success last year, they cut the number of sacks given up by more than half of what they had given up Bortles first two years.

  19. thingamajig says:
    April 22, 2018 at 11:58 am
    Why the Brown’s are looking to draft this guy at #1 is beyond me. Crazy.

    You don’t know that the Browns are looking to draft this guy at #1, or at all. Reading is fundamental, but critical thinking is a skill. Just because someone writes it doesn’t make it true, and the Browns haven’t given up anything as to who goes 1 or 4.

    Besides that, since you’re reading, some pundits have this guy as the #2 prospect, and that Rosen should and will fall. It’s all a crap shoot but these folks get paid to write and to make guesses. You don’t.

  20. The Truth says: “If these imbeciles were all gm’s guys like brady, warner and romo wouldn’t even have gotten a sniff”
    ————————-

    It’s not like Kurt Warner was ripping it up at Northern Iowa (3rd on depth chart until senior year), or Brady at Michigan. Romo was very good at EIU, but again it’s the Ohio Valley Conference…

    It’s cute you throw out their names like that, but dozens of college qbs were in the same position every year and Warner/Brady/Romo didn’t exactly scream “HOF” just looking at their college performance.

  21. Honestly, I think the “experts” give him TOO much slack about his accuracy by saying the supporting cast arounf him wasnt very good…but you could counter that by saying the teams Wyoming generally played against werent exactly talented either. Look, im not saying hes going to be bad, in fact I think hes got the tools to be quite good in the NFL with some good coaching (particularly a good QB coach to refine him a bit), but he cant pretend that he has been accurate…the stats and tape doesnt lie.

  22. Lamar Jackson has been a great QB and leader the past few years in a real conference. Josh Allen was mediocre against teams like New Mexico and Colorado State. Hmmm. Jackson is black and Allen is white. What could possibly account for the huge difference in treatment?

  23. Josh Allen is a talented project. Cleveland doesn’t not need to be drafting any projects. They need to draft a true QB. Darnold and Rosen fits their scheme the best and both of those guys were born to play QB.

    Allen is like Trubisky in the sense that they both have bad habits and mechanics that need to be coached up. 2-3 year project.

    Now me myself I would draft Josh Allen because he has that rare ability to throw on the run with accuracy without having to reset. When you have a QB like that you can play with a moving pocket to compensate for protection issues and you can roll him out a lot as a rookie where he’s just reading one side of the field from high to low until he can viablly go through a progression.

    If I’m in Dorsey shoes though I select Darnold. Hes a gunslinger and plays fearless. No matter how many interceptions he throws he’s still going to continue to pressure the defense with his arm with the belief that he’s going to beat you anyway. Like Montana and Favre.

  24. It should have balanced out a bit better than it it did, imo. Wyoming’s offense did him no favors by ignoring screen passes and easier completions that are staples of some other offenses BUT the Mountain West is not a murderer’s row of great defenses so he really should have still found plenty of guys open.

  25. dryzzt23 says:

    It is interesting how Lamar Jackson is NEVER asked about his accuracy, or lack thereof. He never eclipsed 60% completion % in college. That’s very interesting for a QB who looks to run if his first read isn’t open.

    ————

    73% of Jackson’s rushing yardage came from designed run-plays, so the misnomer that he looks to scramble instead of checking down is simply not true. He also had the misfortune of his two top targets going down, which did hurt his completion percentage (though not nearly to the extent of Josh Allen).

    The bigger question is why Lamar Jackson, who’s primary concern are the mechanics related to his narrow base, is not considered a top-5 quarterback when Allen is. Mechanics are the easiest thing to fix for a coaching staff while inaccuracy in a college quarterback is one of the key identifiers of bust potential. Further, Josh Allen can say Jordan Palmer has helped improve his accuracy has improved all he wants, but the fact is that he has only demonstrated that in shorts without pressure. Lamar Jackson is by far a better prospect than Allen, and one could even make the argument that LJ is also better than Darnold (the guy had 1 strong game against Penn State; Ohio State was a more accurate litmus test, which he failed considerably).

  26. akira there is no screaming Romo and HOF. Lamar Jackson reminds me of McNabb without the vomit. When you have a prospect QB at 6’ 5” and 235 who loves to win and throws darts he’s going to be drafted top ten. Coaches will have him throwing screens and five yard crossing routes for hours every day and watch his cmp % rise.

  27. He should just respond by saying that he appreciates the assessment and is looking forward to an NFL team with experts to help him improve to the best player he can be

    I still think he’s the winner in this draft –
    Mayfield and Rosen are busts so is Lamar- Lamar is going to get injured , running QBs just don’t have long term stability and success -Wilson won 1 – could have been 2, but where’s the durability with success- in pocket passers only

  28. I recall hearing of a qb stat that no all-pro qb had a completion percentage lower than 60% coming out of college.

  29. Joryan palmer is not going to fix the accuracy issue within a few months when the guy has had coaches working with him on it for two years. Didn’t Tebow fix his throwing motion issue too? He is 56%er, maybe you can win with that maybe not. Seems like his big selling point is that arm and playing mediocre in a pro style offense. Every college passed on him, he played terrible against good competition. He is going to a terrible team which will be the nfl equivalent of his college team against alabama

  30. If he fails it will be because he just wasnt good enough. He wont fail for the reasons that clowns like Leaf and Russell failed. Allen is smart and seems like a very straight-laced kid. With that said, Im praying my Giants dont take him at 2.

  31. So if his footwork was the problem at Wyoming, why didn’t his QB coach recognize it and correct it?? Isn’t that what he’s paid for?

  32. If Browns take him, are his characteristics that much better than DeShon Kizer’s?

  33. Boo hoo. You played in a low tier conference and still couldn’t get it done. I have noticed Allen is quick to blame the team around him since the senior bowl which should be another red flag of his. Good luck with that mind set in the NFL. This guy is a 4th round project at best and if it weren’t for his fan boys in the media that’s exactly where he would be drafted.

  34. You know, its amazing. This draft has TWO projected/potential Hall of Famers, Chubb at DL, & Barkley at RB. The Browns CAN get them BOTH because of the QB panic, and I bet they could use the huge amount of picks they have left (this/next year) packaged with Carlos Hyde to trade down AND still get one of the decent QB’s who could then develop under Taylor (who is NOT bad.) Then they would have the base of an EXCELLENT team once they bolstered the O-line (while the QB develops.) And, for those positions, the projections usually hold true. NEVER for QB’s…ALL ratings do all things.

    Just my opinion, but WHY ignore 2 sure projected stars for another crap shoot (when you can get nearly the same crap shoot anyway? They really have a great opportunity – they should take it.

  35. cont…

    Actually Denver is picking when there will be 1 of the big 4 QB’s left, and they need a RB. *If the browns take Barkley at 1, then Chubb at 4, they could then trade their 2nd rd with Hyde & next years 1st rd to Denver (which would be a killing for Denver) and draft either Rosen or Allen, whichever would be left.

    THATS a HUGE win-win for both teams…and no one can stop it if Denver agrees.

  36. ramrene says:April 22, 2018 at 11:11 am
    It’s not for Allen to point on the reasons why… it’s up to the media and analysts to figure out the reasons why. For example, I’ve heard that the system they ran in Wyoming didn’t thrown many screens if any.

    All you have to do is Google “Wyoming football screen pass” and a bunch of analysis of the plays are right there with plenty of screen passes listed. Nice try though.

    cfh666 says:April 22, 2018 at 12:22 pm
    Jeff George arm without the arrogance and he’s way more coachable. His arm is definitely 1st round worthy, but he’s not even close to being ready to start.

    Why does a big arm equal “1st round worthy”? People have fallen into the trap of thinking that if he can throw hard and is big then he should be a first rounder. That kind of thinking is why JaMarcus Russell, Kyle Boller went in the first round and weak armed slow guys like Montana and Brady went on Day 2 or 3.

  37. “Why the Brown’s are looking to draft this guy at #1 is beyond me. Crazy.”
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
    Don't believe all the so called experts opinions. Much of the time team GM's are PR dept comments are more likely to be smoke screens. The Draft is a game too. It's all the team GM's and Scouting Staffs Super Bowl. They'll do whatever it takes to win.

  38. “One must wonder why Allen is asked about his completion % in college while Jackson is protected from that same inquiry. What could it be that makes the media so afraid to ask Jackson the same question that they happily ask Allen?”

    Easy: Lamar can’t be found. Seriously, has anyone seen him recently? His decision to not hire an agent to help his draft stock is hurting right now.

  39. I keep hearing about how his sessions with Hall of Famer (not even close) Jordan Palmer have cleared up his accuracy issues just like that. He has yet to put that stellar Jordan Palmer tutelage to use in any sort of game action. Josh Allen will be drafted very early because the NFL finds him more palatable and marketable as a person, than the Manziel doppelganger (Mayfield) and the outspoken liberal (Rosen). And not to worry, when he’s a bust, the team that drafted him can simply sign Jordan Palmer.

  40. Not sure why exactly college stats still matter for QB’s going into the NFL considering how many Heisman trophy winners have been complete busts and how many small school players have thrived.

    Andrew Lucks coming out of college was a “once in a lifetime” player with a 67% completion percentage who went to the NFL and now has a 59% percentage who’s backup played better than him a few seasons back.

    NFL is a different game altogether than NCAA football. Just because you were a good QB there, doesn’t mean a thing once you get to the big leagues and vice versa unless you’re still holding out for Johnny Manziel, Matt Leinart and John David Booty to get into the NFL Hall of Fame for being really good in college.

    The question is will he be coachable and will he go to a team that can coach him. If the answer is yes to both he’ll be fine.

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