Mike McCarthy: DeShone Kizer would be a first-round pick in this year’s draft

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Packers coach Mike McCarthy has high praise for the backup quarterback Green Bay acquired this offseason, DeShone Kizer.

McCarthy said Kizer compares to the elite prospects in this year’s draft, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen and Josh Rosen.

“He has starter ability in this league. Clearly,” McCarthy said. “In my opinion, if he was in that class this year, he would have been part of the first five quarterbacks, the first-round guys. He has exceptional arm talent.”

That doesn’t make a lot of sense: Last year Kizer went in the latter part of the second round, No. 52 overall. Kizer did not have a good rookie year, which is why the Browns sent him to Green Bay. So if Kizer wasn’t a first-round pick a year ago, and didn’t have a good year, why would he be a first-round pick this year?

McCarthy also talked up backup quarterback Brett Hundley last year after Aaron Rodgers went down, and Hundley did not play well enough to justify McCarthy’s high praise. So perhaps McCarthy just likes to publicly bolster his backup quarterbacks. Because an honest assessment would suggest that Kizer is not a first-round talent, and if he was the Browns wouldn’t have traded him to the Packers.

178 responses to “Mike McCarthy: DeShone Kizer would be a first-round pick in this year’s draft

  1. Remind me again – how many stud QBs have the Browns developed? That way we can say Kizer isn’t a good QB or a first round talent because Cleveland is QB factory otherwise.

  2. McCarthy might be right. Ryan Leaf, RG3, Jamarcus Russell, Johnny Manziel, and others have also been first round picks. All that tells you is there are a lot of bad scouts working for NFL teams.

  3. But I thought the Ravens knocked their draft out of the park because they drafted Jackson.

  4. If by that you mean because half of this year’s 1st round qbs shouldn’t have been drafted in the 1st, then yes, absolutely.

  5. I didn’t think he was ready to come out when he did. Even his college coach said so. It might be too late now, Cleveland messes up everybody.

  6. “Exceptional arm talent” and inexplicable tendencies to repeat the same bonehead decisions with the football over and over and over. Even at Notre Dame, how many times did he get benched during a big game for committing inexcusable turnovers and constantly making unforced errors/botched reads? What did we see last year to indicate any of that was changing at all?

    Oh but yeah, the staff who spent 3 years “developing” Hundley and singing his starting-QB-caliber praises, only to watch him throw 12 picks in 9 starts and average 166 YPG, they’re the ones to unearth this diamond that is DeShone Kizer lol

    Sure Mike. Whatever you say.

  7. Mike needs to go.

    Packers are spiraling down.

    Rogers has two bad shoulders, and no weapons.

  8. I have absolutely no clue what kind of arm talent or overall Quarterbacking skills Kizer may possess.
    He was thrown into a starting role with little to no development and almost zero talent around him.
    Destined to fail.
    But, using Hundley’s performance last season should hold no bearing on Kizer whatsoever. It’s faulty reasoning.
    They’re two completely different QBs, coming into the NFL under two completely different circumstances.

    And quite honestly, Barney fans really have no room to talk about any of this, as many of you still laughably still believe Teddy Bridgewater (who’s skills compared quite favorably to Hundley) was a franchise QB.

  9. Mike also talked about how they’ve had to redo Kizer’s footwork and other mechanicals. Kizer has, aparently, shown he can take instruction and get better.

    Was noted that these are things he’s never been taught before. So what exactly was Hue and Cleveland doing with him and why do yhey call Hue a QB whisperer?

  10. Dumbest statement i’ve heard…. Even the top 3 QB’s that went in the 1st round last year werent as good as this years QB prospects. Mahomes had a 5.8 overall grade, Watson a 5.9 overall grade, Kizer a 5.78 overall grade. And Kizer showed last year he cant play in the league, he was horrible and a long ways away from being ready to start. No way Kizer would of been a 1st round pick this year.

  11. FAT.

    DRUNK.

    AND STUPID.

    Must be nice to have Favre then Rodgers to make ya a ton of money and look less inbred!! Well, maybe the money anyway lol.

  12. Remind me again – how many stud QBs have the Browns developed? That way we can say Kizer isn’t a good QB or a first round talent because Cleveland is QB factory otherwise.
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    …and remind me how many of these QB’s left Cleveland and had success elsewhere…..they’ve picked the wrong ones……that’s a true statement.

  13. Jackalope says:
    May 6, 2018 at 4:12 pm
    If by that you mean because half of this year’s 1st round qbs shouldn’t have been drafted in the 1st, then yes, absolutely.
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    I agree with u to a point. Baker Mayfield, Josh Rosen and Sam Darnold were all very high 1st round talents. Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson not so much.

  14. if McCarthy wasn’t given the gift of a “Rogers” he’d be cleaning urinals at the stadium for a buck!!!sure Kizer would be a 1st rd pic if there was only 31 players in the draft !!!!!!!!

  15. The packers have a great won loss record over the last 10 years in spite of McCarthy, not because of him.He is a blowhard with an overinflated opinion of himself.In my opinion he should have been gone along with Capers.

  16. And now we know that Fat Mike has absolutely no talent evaluation skills.

  17. McCarthy doesn’t look like such a great coach when ol # 12 isn’t slinging the rock for him. He should just thank his lucky stars Rodgers will be healthy and he won’t need to find another job.

  18. If Christian Ponder was a first rounder, then you have to conclude that label doesn’t mean much. McCarthy should have been fired at the end of last season, not because the Packers failed to make the playoffs, but simply because McCarthy had Brett Hundley in development for 3 years and when it came time to take off the training wheels and show what he could do, he was actually worse than Christain Ponder if that is even humanly possible.

    My question to Mark Murphy would be, How much confidence do you have in a head coach who had Hundley for three years and that’s what he looks like in an NFL game? My prediction, Hundley will be cut at the end of training camp and not get resigned by any other NFL team. He is that bad.

  19. If Green Bay didn’t have Rodgers, they’d be lucky to win four games. That’s how bad that team is overall. McCarthy may be the most overrated coach in the NFL. They’d better hope Rodgers can find a way to stay healthy behind that awful O-line, because if he goes down the Packers are toast.

  20. McCarthy’s comment isn’t as crazy as it seems. Kizer’s combine stats are nearly identical to Baker Mayfield’s. Kizer, unlike Mayfield, has prototypical QB size at 6’4-233lbs. Kizer is also very similar to another QB drafted in the top ten this year, Josh Allen. Besides size, they both have elite arm talent in common. Kizer also threw 3 more touchdowns and 2 less interceptions in his college career than Allen did. Kizer also averaged nearly one full yard more per attempt than Josh Allen did. Kizer also completed 60 percent of his passes during his college career, 4% more than Josh Allen. DeShone Kizer does have comparable size, combine results, college statistics, and arm talent of those drafted in this years top ten. A little research reveals that McCarthy is not necessarily wrong.

  21. teal379 says:
    May 6, 2018 at 4:06 pm
    Remind me again – how many stud QBs have the Browns developed? That way we can say Kizer isn’t a good QB or a first round talent because Cleveland is QB factory otherwise.

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    Compared to Kizer does nearly every other QB they’ve had count? Kizer threw more interceptions in one season than the Browns last two drafted QB’s combined (Cody Kessler and Johnny Manziel).

    QB rating wise he makes them both look like Payton Manning and Tom Brady and in reality should have been the #3 QB on their depth chart as Kevin Hogan when put in after Kizer had his migraine issues was the better QB on that team by a mile (further proof the Browns probably tanked on purpose).

    Kizer’s own college coach went on record to say the guy was not a day 1 starter and would need work before he could play in the NFL so to try to sell the Packers fans a bag of goods that this kid is anywhere near NFL ready after being proven that isn’t the case is just ridiculous. 32 teams past him in the 2016 draft. There was a reason for that as Cleveland wouldn’t have been 0-16 without him guaranteed.

  22. whatjusthapped says:
    May 6, 2018 at 4:52 pm
    If Christian Ponder was a first rounder, then you have to conclude that label doesn’t mean much

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    Couldn’t agree with you more. Ponder was a joke of a pick. Andy Dalton and Colin Kaepernick would have been available with the 12th pick. Not a Kap fan but he did have the packers number.

  23. I saw him play live. He had NO chance for success. I wish him well. He was thrown into the fire and can now play for a pro team. I wish him well. He took a lot of blame and kept his mouth shut because our team was such a grease fire. In Baker I trust. If we don’t win some games this year then Hue Jackson IS the problem. I’m just sick of losing. We are the NFL’s second bye week right now.

  24. Can you really disagree with anyone who makes any statement to the effect that “the Browns did something stupid”?!?

  25. Way to set the bar high McCarthy. Based on how Brett Hundley was “developed” the last three years, I’d say we need less talking and more delivering.

  26. cobrala2 says:
    May 6, 2018 at 4:49 pm
    Exhibit 999 on the reasons why A-A-Ron only has 1 ring.
    ______________________

    Please, enlighten me, what is exhibit 1 for the reason the Barneys have gone ringless for 57 straight years, despite the fact they’ve been the most talented (so we’re continuously told) team in the league.
    Just 1, please.

  27. wafflestomp says:
    May 6, 2018 at 4:31 pm

    And quite honestly, Barney fans really have no room to talk about any of this, as many of you still laughably still believe Teddy Bridgewater (who’s skills compared quite favorably to Hundley) was a franchise QB.
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    Bridgewater led the Vikings to a 11-5 record and within a win but a choke kick by Walsh let Seattle to move on in the playoffs. While Hundley led the 4-1 packers to a 3-8 record with a OT win over against the 0-16 Browns. Now I for one never thought Bridgewater was a franchise QB, But I believe he is much better than Hundley, and I think you know that too.

  28. “Did you listen to that question I just answered!?”

    Yes, Mike. Here’s something to listen to: If you don’t improve dramatically this year, you’re getting fired.

  29. Mike, win another SuperBowl with Rodgers before you express confidence in another QB. Your QB Guru street-cred is shot after the Hundley miss. It should’ve cost you your job.

    Shut up.

  30. Hundley was a 5th round pick and played very well his rookie preseason so there was reason to beleive he could be good but proved that was not the case when given a chance to start regular season games.

    The Browns are 1-31 the last 2 years, Kizer just happened to be the starter for 15 of those games. He got his trial by fire, guess we’ll find out at some point if hes any good or not.

    Dont agreed with McCarthy here but maybe hes just trying to boost the guys confidence.

  31. His point is the “mystery” of any college QB’s potential; ie they ALL have certain ‘measurables’ every scout can point to. But HOW well those skills/talents will “play” as QB in the NFL remains a mystery until they play AS an NFL QB. For THAT comparison hes absolutely correct. Josh Allen is almost IDENTICAL on paper to Kiser except Kisers numbers are slightly better and Kiser came from a major program with top college competition. (Kiser would rate slightly higher, so if drafted in the SAME draft, most scouts would have Kiser slightly ahead.

    The flaw in McCarthy’s statement, is that we were able to “see” Kisers shot… mystery gone.

    Those others might suck too. But they might not. Thats why people are laughing. Theyre all lottery picks. But McCarthy’s picking upo a losing ticket and arguing that tickets still in p,lay have the same odds. True Mike BUT yours has already lost; I’d rather have one of the other yet-unknown tickets.

    (So would you Mike. But hey nice try in coning Pack fans they should be excited cause the othwr picks might suck too.)

  32. Say what you will about Mike McCarthy, but he is a far better coach than Bud Grant ever was.
    McCarthy has a better regular and postseason winning percentage than Grant and he also coached a team to a Championship win.

    Grant had the benefit of leading a Hall of Fame laden defense as well as coaching a Canton bound QB, all in an era that preceded free agency and still couldn’t produce the same amount of success.

    And c’mon, if Green Bay is really as talentless and lacks the skill players at every single position as most of you claim, shouldn’t McCarthy get some credit for coaching these guys up to the tune of 6 NFC North Titles, 9 Playoff appearences, including 8 in a row before last season.

    I will admit, it helps having the likes of Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers leading your team, but it is a childish, simpleminded point of view to claim that as the only reason.
    Though I’m sure it helps you rationalize the frailty of your own team, to think that the Packers were just lucky and simply hit the lottery, twice.

    You can’t deny Green Bay’s success, even if they haven’t been able to close the deal enough to your satisfaction.
    Either Ted’s given him the tools and Mike’s screwed it up, or it’s the other way around.
    I suspect it’s somewhere in the middle.
    But, you just can’t have it both ways.

  33. I thought the Packers took Kizer on trade because they did t want to trade that garbage db for a draft pick. That said, Kizer wouldn’t have gone in the 1st round. He has.proven he is the same caliber QB as Hundley. Might even.be worse.

  34. flviking says:
    May 6, 2018 at 5:14 pm
    wafflestomp says:
    May 6, 2018 at 4:31 pm

    And quite honestly, Barney fans really have no room to talk about any of this, as many of you still laughably still believe Teddy Bridgewater (who’s skills compared quite favorably to Hundley) was a franchise QB.
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    Bridgewater led the Vikings to a 11-5 record and within a win but a choke kick by Walsh let Seattle to move on in the playoffs. While Hundley led the 4-1 packers to a 3-8 record with a OT win over against the 0-16 Browns. Now I for one never thought Bridgewater was a franchise QB, But I believe he is much better than Hundley, and I think you know that too
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    Comparing team records to solely judge QBs is just goofy and downright dumb.
    It’s also a complete slap in the face to the defense that kept your team in all those games.
    And after all, Hundley had to deal with a defense that was horrible by historic proportions.
    Or at least that’s what I’m always told.

    If you honestly looked at their individual performances and stats you’d see far more similarities than differences, and I think you know that too.
    Though whenever I bring up Bridgewater’s stats, I’ve been told that it doesn’t matter because Zim doesn’t need that much out of his QB.

    My thoughts always alluded to the fact, what Coach is ever satisfied with the 27th and 29th ranked offenses in the league.
    And lately, if Zim truly doesn’t need all that much out of his QB, why would he ever seek out a Kirk Cousins to sign to the largest free agent deal in NFL history.

  35. The issue here isn’t Hundley’s ability vs Kizer’s ability – it’s whether anyone would be dumb enough to rely upon MM’s opinion on Kizer’s ability and draft prospects after listening to him praise Hundley the last 2 years. There simply aren’t enough grains of salt . . .

  36. I liked the move by the packers to pick up Kizer. I know it didn’t work out in Cleveland but their situation forced him to start before he was ready. Kizer’s college coach said he needed more time there. Plus it saves the packers from Hundley.

  37. Another coach slinging the BS. Kizer would have been taken behind Rudolph this year. Sure he’s got an arm, but he’s not a pro-ready QB. Probably never will be.

  38. Either more coachspeak or McCarthy is dumber than he looks. Like a previous post then let Rodgers go or trade him. Here in Denver we had a HOF QB who also thought he could judge talent but he can’t. I mean really, Brock – Paxton??? And we let Sloter walk over a few dollars even though he was a starter & had the best preseason of any of Denver’s QB’s. I think we finally have a real qb starter in Case, but we will see. Kizer will never be a starter again.

  39. People are quick to point out Kizer’s struggles from his year in Cleveland, without remembering that he was in CLEVELAND. There is historical precedent for QBs struggling mightily their first year in the league while attempting to turn a franchise around. Jarred Goff threw 5 touchdowns and 7 interceptions in seven starts his rookie year, with Kenny Britt and Tavon Austin as his receivers. Look what he was able to do last year with a better supporting cast. Alex Smith threw 1 touchdown and 11 interceptions his first year in the league. It took Alex Smith until year four to start to become a franchise QB. Case Keemun and Nick Foles are also examples of quarterbacks that have run both hot and cold throughout their careers. Coaching, and perhaps more importantly a talented supporting cast are vital to a young quarterbacks success. Kizer is in a significantly better situation with Davante Adams, Randall Cobb and Jimmy Graham as a supporting cast should he be required to fill in for Rodgers. Jimmy Graham may not be getting any younger, and Randall Cobb can be a bit of an enigma, but those guys are much better than the oft-injured Corey Coleman and Ricardo Louis that Kizer had to work with in Cleveland.

  40. Uh, no Mike. No he wouldn’t. Plus another year under Brian Kelly and he’d be worse. And he’s not better than Mason Rudolph.

  41. pastabelly says:
    May 6, 2018 at 6:05 pm
    “McCarthy is an idiot without Aaron R quarterbacking his team. He would have been fired long ago.”

    *****

    Many would argue that you didn’t need to add the “without Aaron Roger’s quarterbacking his team” disclaimer.

  42. Please Mike watch some film before you speak. Kizer just wasn’t bad, he was HISTORICALLY bad. And I’m not even talking about wins and losses. That’s just the icing on the cake.

  43. jamesbradley427 says:
    May 6, 2018 at 6:34 pm
    People are quick to point out Kizer’s struggles from his year in Cleveland, without remembering that he was in CLEVELAND.
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    The man threw 19 interceptions in the red zone. Good luck fixing that. A record that will stand for decades. How many times does he have to be told just throw it away and kick the field goal??

  44. From the Dan LeBatard Show: “Mike McCarthy looks like the guy wandering around the hotel halls and lobby in jeans and socked feet slowly eating a waffle.”

  45. Though it really isn’t crazy to think that Kizer could have gone in the first round this year. People are factoring in his rookie year in Cleveland which never would have happened had he stayed at Notre Dame for his Senior season. Playing behind two offensive lineman drafted in the top ten he probably would have had a good year. He already went 2nd round, First isn’t really a stretch. Would that have been deserved? Too soon to tell, but he hasn’t shown much yet.

  46. Only counting college time he probably does grade out better than this year’s to QBs..alot of scout said only one QBs had a 1st round grade. This year but need made teams reach

  47. I think McCarthy is right about Kizer’s talent. It is unfair to be too negative on Kizer given the way Hue Jackson handled him.
    If McCarthy were Browns coach last year they’d have been no worse than 4-12…….and it wouldn’t necessarily have to be Mike McCarthy. Ventriloquist dummy Charlie McCarthy, on Al Saunder’s knee, or long dead Senator Joe McCarthy propped up on the sideline could have done better than Hue Jackson.

  48. filthymcnasty3 says:
    May 6, 2018 at 5:45 pm
    I wonder if Kizer will get an opportunity to emasculate the Viking defense the way fellow backup Nick Foles did.
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    I will get that chance in the second half of game 2. I hope Fat Mike has him ready.

  49. I don’t know what he’s talking about. Kizer has great arm strength! Just look at his 22 interceptions – each one, like a laser beam, straight to the guys in the other jerseys.

  50. darcrequiem says:
    May 6, 2018 at 6:14 pm
    Honestly his comment says less about Kizer than it does this year’s QB class.

    At least someone here figured it out.

  51. He has as much ability as anyone, but that train wreck in Cleveland was no place to start anyone, let alone a rookie who left college to early. His place now is a better position if you can let him sit ideally 3 or 4 years just learning. If he can do that and grow up as evidenced by that incident he had during his rookie year when he was out before a game, something that a 20 year old might not get but a 25 year old who has studied behind Rodgers for years might, then you could have something.

  52. Does Mike have a prescription for medical marijuana that we don’t know about?

  53. I am not saying that I agree with McCarthy’s comment, but the way that his comment is being interpreted is incorrect. I believe he is saying that if Kizer came out in this year’s draft based solely on his body of work in college, not the NFL, Kizer would have been a first round pick when comparing his body of work or skillset to this year’s QBs that were drafted in the first round. Yet the analysis and comments are referring to Kizer’s time in the NFL. I don’t believe McCarthy has Kizer’s first year effort in the NFL in his mind when he is making the comment.

  54. Liberalsruineverything says:
    May 6, 2018 at 7:15 pm
    filthymcnasty3 says:
    May 6, 2018 at 5:45 pm
    I wonder if Kizer will get an opportunity to emasculate the Viking defense the way fellow backup Nick Foles did.
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    I will get that chance in the second half of game 2. I hope Fat Mike has him ready.
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    I actually agree with you. The Packers will be so far ahead of the vikings at that point, they’ll have to sit Rodgers out of mercy. I’m sure Kizer will come in and put up great numbers, not because he’s so great himself, but because that vaunted viking d will have lived up to their reputation and quit by then. Hundley might even see some playing time in the 4th quarter.

  55. He means that Kizer would throw hid first pick 6 of the game in the first five minutes of the game.. prob most of Cleveland would agree.

  56. Because Kizer would have had a full year to develop as a starter and not in the revolving door that he dealt Ruth last year. Skepticism is one thing but you’re not a good reporter because you think the opposite of general consensus.

  57. If McCarthy has taught Kizer accuracy, defense reading, holding on to the ball and looking off targets then he is correct.

  58. Wisconsin is VASTLY Superior! says:
    May 6, 2018 at 7:21 pm
    Yet if the Vikings had traded for Kizer, most of the MN trolls here would be calling him the Second Coming of Christ.
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    Umm no. We would be livid about our front office trading a starting CB for a backup QB.
    But then again the Packer fans and Viking fans have different ideas of what starting D backs look like.

  59. wafflestomp says:
    May 6, 2018 at 5:43 pm
    Say what you will about Mike McCarthy, but he is a far better coach than Bud Grant ever was.
    McCarthy has a better regular and postseason winning percentage than Grant and he also coached a team to a Championship win.

    Grant had the benefit of leading a Hall of Fame laden defense as well as coaching a Canton bound QB, all in an era that preceded free agency and still couldn’t produce the same amount of success.

    And c’mon, if Green Bay is really as talentless and lacks the skill players at every single position as most of you claim, shouldn’t McCarthy get some credit for coaching these guys up to the tune of 6 NFC North Titles, 9 Playoff appearences, including 8 in a row before last season.

    I will admit, it helps having the likes of Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers leading your team, but it is a childish, simpleminded point of view to claim that as the only reason.
    Though I’m sure it helps you rationalize the frailty of your own team, to think that the Packers were just lucky and simply hit the lottery, twice.

    You can’t deny Green Bay’s success, even if they haven’t been able to close the deal enough to your satisfaction.
    Either Ted’s given him the tools and Mike’s screwed it up, or it’s the other way around.
    I suspect it’s somewhere in the middle.
    But, you just can’t have it both ways.

    ***

    Bud grant is in the hall of fame. Do you think mike McCarthy will be in the hall of fame?

  60. 13worldchampioinships says:
    May 6, 2018 at 8:20 pm
    Bud grant is in the hall of fame. Do you think mike McCarthy will be in the hall of fame?
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    That was a “mercy induction” if there ever was one.

  61. Thank God this guy has Aaron Rodgers as QB. The way this self-proclaimed “highly successful NFL head coach” evaluates talent should be a concern to the GM and fans.

  62. But then again the Packer fans and Viking fans have different ideas of what starting D backs look like.
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    And starting quarterbacks as well…

  63. First it was McCarthy who got into peeing contest with Randall and told gut to get rid of him. Cleveland realized Kiser was bustville and agreed to take a promising corner to get rid of a bum.
    Kiser tossed 22 interceptions in 11 games. He sucked at nd and was pulled often due to turn
    Mac couldn’t help hundley and this new guy is probably worseovers.

  64. stellarperformance says:
    May 6, 2018 at 8:56 pm
    13worldchampioinships says:
    May 6, 2018 at 8:20 pm
    Bud grant is in the hall of fame. Do you think mike McCarthy will be in the hall of fame?
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    That was a “mercy induction” if there ever was one.

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    Sour grapes, Coach Grant has a 23-10 record against the packers.
    158 wins in the NFL
    102 wins in the CFL
    A mercy induction would be Jerry Kramer who made one block that is endlessly played over and over every year. One block yawn………..

  65. You guys are funny. 95% of the comments are people saying MM is an idiot, 2% are Packers fans trolling Vikings fans, 2% are Packers fans complaining about Vikings fans being trolls and triggered and 1% are Vikings fans pointing out that outside of Rodgers, MM and the Packers roster isn’t very good. But Packers fans know that, which is why they keep bragging about their glorious history. It’s about as sad as me bragging about the Golden Gophers powerhouse football program that has 7 national titles!

  66. Nick Foles wasn’t a 1st round talent either…..yet he won a Super Bowl and played as well as any top of the draft quarterback could have throughout the playoffs. So what difference does it really make where a player is drafted? When he gets a chance to play, he either proves that he can…..or can’t.

  67. bordner says:
    May 6, 2018 at 8:01 pm
    Liberalsruineverything says:
    May 6, 2018 at 7:15 pm
    filthymcnasty3 says:
    May 6, 2018 at 5:45 pm
    I wonder if Kizer will get an opportunity to emasculate the Viking defense the way fellow backup Nick Foles did.
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    I will get that chance in the second half of game 2. I hope Fat Mike has him ready.
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    I actually agree with you. The Packers will be so far ahead of the vikings at that point, they’ll have to sit Rodgers out of mercy. I’m sure Kizer will come in and put up great numbers, not because he’s so great himself, but because that vaunted viking d will have lived up to their reputation and quit by then. Hundley might even see some playing time in the 4th quarter

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    16-0

  68. flviking says:
    May 6, 2018 at 9:51 pm

    Sour grapes, Coach Grant has a 23-10 record against the packers.
    158 wins in the NFL
    102 wins in the CFL
    A mercy induction would be Jerry Kramer who made one block that is endlessly played over and over every year. One block yawn………..

    +++++++

    CFL wins. A winning record vs the 70s and 80s Packers. Um ok, that’s Purple impressive?

    Jerry Kramer started 119 games for the 60s Packers……the 60s Packers were pretty okay.

    I am surprised he only threw the one block but Lombardi wasn’t a stickler for fundamentals.

  69. If a team can be conned into drafting Baker Mayfield with the first pick of the draft, then they could be conned into drafting Kizer with the first pick. Wouldn’t it be so funny if Kiser had a better football career than Mayfield.

  70. it is impossible to believe that anyone would hold Kizer accountable for the 0-16 abomination that was the browns last year;

    not with a meddling owner and a ludicrously incompetent coaching staff;

    here he is trying to lead a team that certainly had completely tuned out a coach who went 1-3, getting virtually no training whatsoever on reading defences or having the offence tailoured to his obvious read option skills, no decent RB and one recovering addict for a WR corps;

    time and again the defence spent 35-45 minutes on the field they usually took with at least one score down courtesy of an offensive turnover returned for a TD;

    did anyone notice in spite of all that, Kizer was one clearly dropped pass from beating the Steelers in the final game last season?

  71. 13worldchampioinships says:
    May 6, 2018 at 8:20 pm
    Bud grant is in the hall of fame. Do you think mike McCarthy will be in the hall of fame?
    ________________________

    In all honesty, no.
    I don’t believe Mike McCarthy has done nearly enough to warrant consideration for the Hall of Fame.
    But, if we’re comparing the two objectively, especially considering the merits in which Grant was inducted, I’d say McCarthy would have to be a shoe in.

  72. cheeseisfattening says:
    May 6, 2018 at 4:51 pm

    Big Mike is just being nice because Deshone brings Mike his donuts in the morning.
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    Donut jokes, how refreshing. Quantity over quality too! I’m afraid you’ll receive no toned-down credits for today’s performance.

  73. when Kizer came to Notre Dame he was a poised, confident young man. After 2 years under Kelly his confidence seemed gone.
    Playing behind the Cleveland o-line he was lost – a rookie playing behind that line – what can you tell about him?

    GB was smart to get him.

  74. Doesn’t do any good to bash the kid. It was reported by many at packernews.com last year that McCarthy wasn’t really a big fan of Hundley despite what he said in the news conferences.

  75. Obviously as a Bears fan I despise the packers. But what baffles me is the level of dumb on here. So much nonsense and not enough thoughtful discussion.

    What McCarthy meant was if Kizer went back to school for another year and then came out in this years draft he likely would have been a 1st round pick. Thats not an unreasonable statement.

    It was clear when Kizer came out that he made the wrong choice. He really needed another year at ND to develop. He was a second round pick coming out a year early. Had he gone back, had the year and progression that would have been expected then came out in 18 draft then yeah I could easily see a team spending a 1st round pick on him. Josh Allen was a top 10. Kizer after another year in school couldn’t at least crack top 32? Most overdrafted position but happens every year.

    Instead of making donut jokes and other nonsense actually have a thought filled opinion worth the time to read.

  76. BayAreaBrownsBacker says:
    May 6, 2018 at 6:43 pm
    Please Mike watch some film before you speak. Kizer just wasn’t bad, he was HISTORICALLY bad. And I’m not even talking about wins and losses. That’s just the icing on the cake.
    ———————
    And Mike saw first hand how Kizer threw a ball up for grabs against the packers, sealing a huge win for Green Bay.
    Maybe Mike traded for Kizer to thank him for saving him the embarrassment of losing to the Browns.

  77. Oh, all the Packers / Rodgers haters are back! As soon as anything about the Packers or Rodgers appears here, they jump in with their childish comments.
    I watched Kizer with Notre Dame and he impressed me as a kid with a lot of potential. He was thrown to the wolves with the Browns so I don’t even look at what he did there. He was obviously not ready to play in the NFL especially with a team as bad as they were.
    What McCarthy said is true. Just look at the QB’s who went in the first round this year. There’s not one of them who is a sure-fire starter who is a lock to be a good NFL QB. Kizer has every bit as much skill and athletic ability as any of them do, and he’s probably smarter than most of them, too, because we all know Notre Dame cares more about their education than most big time schools do. It’s not that he’s that great, either. It’s just that this was a very mediocre year for potential NFL QB’s in the draft. In fact — it won’t surprise me one bit if the best QB this year out of college in the NFL turns out to be one who was selected in the later rounds or who wasn’t even drafted.
    The Packers have had a good track record for a long time with backup QB’s, going all the way back to the 60’s with Zeke Bratkowski, who was better than many starters of that era. Hundley was and is a disaster, and I fully expect him to be cut at some point. Over the last 25 years, they can match any team in the NFL in having backup QB’s who went on to become good starters in the NFL. Mark Brunell, Kurt Warner, Aaron Brooks, and Matt Hasselbeck all started their careers in Green Bay, for instance.

  78. As long as the Browns are drafting in the first round,any player could be a 1st rounder. The problem with Kizer is that he was thrown into the fire and the game was moving too fast for him. No development,the Browns have a history of not developing talent. Whether Kizer would or would not have been drafted in the first round does nothing, except insult this years 1st round draft picks (before they have been given a chance) because Kizer was horrible. So was Hundley and that’s on the Mike McResume!

  79. steves11 says:
    May 6, 2018 at 10:04 pm
    Nick Foles wasn’t a 1st round talent either…..yet he won a Super Bowl and played as well as any top of the draft quarterback could have throughout the playoffs. So what difference does it really make where a player is drafted? When he gets a chance to play, he either proves that he can…..or can’t.

    ——————–

    Coaching and putting the player in a position to succeed helps as well. Foles on the Browns probably doesn’t win many games. The best thing the Eagles did when Wentz went down was go back and look at what Foles did well. Then they adjusted the offense to his strengths.

    Not to mention the outstanding defense which kept the offense from having to win shootouts (until the Super bowl).

    Foles has more postseason wins than Tony Romo and Dak Prescott combined. Is that coaching or talent or both?

  80. eagleswin says:
    May 7, 2018 at 7:06 am
    Foles has more postseason wins than Tony Romo and Dak Prescott combined. Is that coaching or talent or both?
    //////////////////////////////////////

    It’s always three things…….coaching, talent, and luck.

    The Vikings have coaching and talent, but they won’t have any luck until they break the Ed Thorp curse, which was put upon them for losing the only participation trophy given to them.

    All the insults and putdowns their fans throw at the Packers can’t break that curse, but they think it will so they keep trying. It’s a good thing for them stupid isn’t painful.

    Good luck with that.

  81. packertruth says:
    May 6, 2018 at 10:14 pm
    flviking says:
    May 6, 2018 at 9:51 pm

    Sour grapes, Coach Grant has a 23-10 record against the packers.
    158 wins in the NFL
    102 wins in the CFL
    A mercy induction would be Jerry Kramer who made one block that is endlessly played over and over every year. One block yawn………..

    +++++++

    CFL wins. A winning record vs the 70s and 80s Packers. Um ok, that’s Purple impressive?

    Jerry Kramer started 119 games for the 60s Packers……the 60s Packers were pretty okay.

    I am surprised he only threw the one block but Lombardi wasn’t a stickler for fundamentals

    /////////////////////////////////

    Nice you leave out the 158 NFL wins + playoff wins. And as far as Kramer he was on the HOF ballet 10 times without being voted in. If they did not show the one block every year he never would have been voted in. In fact no one outside do GB would know who Kramer is without that exciting block on a one yard run.

  82. wafflestomp says:

    May 6, 2018 at 4:31 pm

    I have absolutely no clue what kind of arm talent or overall Quarterbacking skills Kizer may possess.
    He was thrown into a starting role with little to no development and almost zero talent around him.
    Destined to fail.
    But, using Hundley’s performance last season should hold no bearing on Kizer whatsoever. It’s faulty reasoning.
    They’re two completely different QBs, coming into the NFL under two completely different circumstances.

    And quite honestly, Barney fans really have no room to talk about any of this, as many of you still laughably still believe Teddy Bridgewater (who’s skills compared quite favorably to Hundley) was a franchise QB.

    ———————

    lol. Your comments prove that you know little or nothing about the Vikings and just look to Troll. Very few Vikings fans thought Bridgewater was a franchise QB.

    What most of us did think, was that he was a standup guy who did a lot for the community. And we thought he may/may not develop into a decent starting QB. Each year, he took steps forward. He won a division title and broke some rookie QB records his first year. He didn’t have the best deep ball, but his accuracy on short and medium throws were good, and he was good at making something happen when not much was there. Teddy started 1 1/2 years. That’s not a lot. They say most QB’s don’t really come into their own until their third year. Would Rodgers be good if he didn’t ‘have the luxury to sit and watch for 3 years? Same with JimmyG behind Brady? The fact is no one will truly know what the true ceiling is on Teddy, which is a shame because he is one of the nicest guys in the league. Very few thought he was a for sure franchise QB, but a lot of us saw glimpses of potential.

  83. jclark6528 says:
    May 6, 2018 at 4:41 pm
    Remind me again – how many stud QBs have the Browns developed? That way we can say Kizer isn’t a good QB or a first round talent because Cleveland is QB factory otherwise.
    —————————
    …and remind me how many of these QB’s left Cleveland and had success elsewhere…..they’ve picked the wrong ones……that’s a true statement.
    ________________________________________________________

    Jeff Garcia – left Cleveland and played well. He was good everywhere except Cleveland.

  84. 1historian says:

    when Kizer came to Notre Dame he was a poised, confident young man. After 2 years under Kelly his confidence seemed gone.
    Playing behind the Cleveland o-line he was lost – a rookie playing behind that line – what can you tell about him?

    GB was smart to get him.
    ###

    You really think that GB has an offensive line capable of protecting Kizer well enough to make him an NFL caliber QB?

    Based on Hundley’s performance last year after three seasons in the system, it will take the Packer coaching staff a decade to turn Kizer into Hundley’s equal.

    That’s assuming they improve the oline.

  85. He’s not wrong. Kizer had the physical toolset to be an amazing QB. His college performance was underwhelming but because of his tools he would’ve been a high pick. Just like Sam Darnold.

  86. I always find it funny when Mike McCarthy says anything. The guy is a modern day Rich Kotite. Without Rodgers this guy is best suited to coach a JV high school team in Nova Scotia.

  87. “So if Kizer wasn’t a first-round pick a year ago, and didn’t have a good year, why would he be a first-round pick this year?”

    —————————————————-

    That’s called hindsight. I’m sure McCarthy was referring to the his college play and talent level.

  88. ajzinnecker says:
    May 7, 2018 at 8:40 am
    Your comments prove that you know little or nothing about the Vikings and just look to Troll. Very few Vikings fans thought Bridgewater was a franchise QB. What most of us did think, was that he was a standup guy who did a lot for the community. And we thought he may/may not develop into a decent starting QB.

    //////////////////////////////////

    You have a very selective memory, conditioned by the pot-o-gold found at the end of rainbows two years in a row with Bradford and Keenum and now with stars-in-your-eyes Cousins.

    I live and work in Viking territory. I have countless friends and family members that are hardcore Viking fans. It was a nearly universal belief that Bridgewater was the long-awaited Chosen One.

    How quickly they forget.

  89. Kizer may well be “first round talent.”

    Four factors go into making a franchise QB.

    1. Individual ability.

    2. Coaching and a system that takes advantage of the QB’s strengths.

    3. Hard work, singular focus, and desire on the part of the QB.

    4. The team with which the QB is surrounded (no one can do it themselves).

    Jury’s still out on Kizer — will be for several years. All we know is he has #1 above and Green Bay is a better destination than Cleveland to provide #2 above.

    We hope he has #3.

    And now, #4 is up to Packers management and the GM.

    So .. stay tuned.

  90. The only possible explanation is that McMuffin was trying to light a fire under Hundley with these remarks. I just can’t figure out why.

  91. Kiser just sucks. He has a scatter-gun arm where there is plenty of times he doesn’t even know where his throw is going. He is a turnover machine and will always be one.

  92. Kizer is 100x better than Lamar Jackson will ever be so YES, he would have been a 1st rounder this year!

  93. ajzinnecker says:
    May 7, 2018 at 8:40 am
    Your comments prove that you know little or nothing about the Vikings and just look to Troll. Very few Vikings fans thought Bridgewater was a franchise QB. What most of us did think, was that he was a standup guy who did a lot for the community. And we thought he may/may not develop into a decent starting QB.

    ————-

    That is absolute revisionist history. A majority of Vikings’ fans were talking about Teddy like he was better than Aaron Rogers.

  94. Curious to see what he could do with better coaching and some receivers. He made some throws last year against the Ravens that most guys cannot make – his arm strength is nuts. He also threw up some bonehead interceptions, but there wasn’t much protection, he was a rookie, and the Browns “scheme” is highly questionable

  95. I can’t hear you over your last failed developmental QB.

    If he’s that good, hopefully you can take him with you to your next gig……….

  96. A mercy induction would be Jerry Kramer who made one block that is endlessly played over and over every year. One block yawn………
    ======

    Jerry Kramer

    1960s All-Decade Team
    5x 1st Team All-Pro, 1x 2nd Team

    Steve Hutchinson

    2000s All-Decade Team
    5x 1st Team All-Pro, 2x 2nd Team

  97. Say what you will about Mike McCarthy, but he is a far better coach than Bud Grant ever was.
    ======

    Explain?

    Grant got to 4 Super Bowls. Lost them all, but at least he got there.

    McCarthy got to 1, and won, but he’s cost them how many trips? 2014, letting Kaepernick run wild on him, getting bloodied by an average Giants team twice…..

    McCarthy = Grant…. Can’t win when it matters.

  98. aarons444 says:
    May 7, 2018 at 1:48 pm
    Say what you will about Mike McCarthy, but he is a far better coach than Bud Grant ever was.
    ======

    Explain?

    Grant got to 4 Super Bowls. Lost them all, but at least he got there.

    McCarthy got to 1, and won, but he’s cost them how many trips? 2014, letting Kaepernick run wild on him, getting bloodied by an average Giants team twice…..

    McCarthy = Grant…. Can’t win when it matters.

    —————-

    #TheHaters will tell you that it is better to not make it to the SB then to get there an lose….

  99. #TheHaters will tell you that it is better to not make it to the SB then to get there an lose…
    =====

    There is nothing like watching your team on the last Sunday of the year.

  100. I always find it funny when Mike McCarthy says anything. The guy is a modern day Rich Kotite. Without Rodgers this guy is best suited to coach a JV high school team in Nova Scotia.
    =====

    Yep.

    Mike Sherman with a better QB.

  101. Someone actually commented that I’m not going to even look at what Kizer did with the Browns and I’m only look at what he did in College. Ok… He was 4-8 in his last year and threw 9 interceptions in just 12 games. In the voice of Coach Dennis Greene ”He IS what we thought he IS” which is terrible by the way…

  102. aarons444 says:
    May 7, 2018 at 1:44 pm
    A mercy induction would be Jerry Kramer who made one block that is endlessly played over and over every year. One block yawn………
    ======

    Jerry Kramer

    1960s All-Decade Team
    5x 1st Team All-Pro, 1x 2nd Team

    Steve Hutchinson

    2000s All-Decade Team
    5x 1st Team All-Pro, 2x 2nd Team

    //////////////////////////////////

    Well we were comparing Bud Grant to Jerry Kramer, but cool it looks like Steve Hutchinson is making the HOF.

  103. this coming from a guy who passed on Rodgers for Alex Smith at number 1. then tried to tell everyone Hundley was a viable option for the Packers last year.

  104. Well we were comparing Bud Grant to Jerry Kramer, but cool it looks like Steve Hutchinson is making the HOF.
    ======

    You don’t make 5 All-Pro teams if you only made 1 play.

    You don’t make an All-Decade team that way either.

    I guess Malcom Butler is a HOF’r? David Tyree?… and I guess Hutch is just a forgettable, given that his resume is about the same??…..

  105. stellarperformance says:

    May 7, 2018 at 10:29 am

    ajzinnecker says:
    May 7, 2018 at 8:40 am
    Your comments prove that you know little or nothing about the Vikings and just look to Troll. Very few Vikings fans thought Bridgewater was a franchise QB. What most of us did think, was that he was a standup guy who did a lot for the community. And we thought he may/may not develop into a decent starting QB.

    //////////////////////////////////

    You have a very selective memory, conditioned by the pot-o-gold found at the end of rainbows two years in a row with Bradford and Keenum and now with stars-in-your-eyes Cousins.

    I live and work in Viking territory. I have countless friends and family members that are hardcore Viking fans. It was a nearly universal belief that Bridgewater was the long-awaited Chosen One.

    How quickly they forget.

    ————–

    And we just love having all you great Wisconsin people move here….because there is more of a job market and MN is a great place to live. :)So many people from WI move here to go to school, and never leave because of the great opportunities….you never see people from here move to GB….Madison, or anywhere in WI…we just love this….Not!

  106. @Stellar: Ask any Packer fan before last year and Hundley was the Chosen One to succeed the Chosen One. And that was based on nothing but preseason. SOME viking fans may have been convinced TeddyB was already a franchise QB, but none were convinced he was TB12 caliber at least not prior to his injury. TeddyB won the division with his starting RB out for the year and set accuracy record for a rookie. To even think about putting him into the same category as Hundley or Kizer is ignorant beyond all hope.

    If Teddy even comes back at 90% of his previous level he’ll have 10x the career that Hundley or Kizer will have. He’ll be a starter and a middle of the road one at worst.

  107. aarons444 says:
    May 8, 2018 at 1:10 pm
    Well we were comparing Bud Grant to Jerry Kramer, but cool it looks like Steve Hutchinson is making the HOF.
    ======

    You don’t make 5 All-Pro teams if you only made 1 play.

    You don’t make an All-Decade team that way either.

    I guess Malcom Butler is a HOF’r? David Tyree?… and I guess Hutch is just a forgettable, given that his resume is about the same?

    ///////////////////

    Aaron444, all I was trying do is show Stella how ridiculous his statement was about Bud Grant being a mercy induction was. Stella is one of the many packer trolls who constantly try to start fights. Jerry Kramer deserved the induction, it should have come much sooner. My apologies.

  108. Acquiring Kizer will do nothing for Packers future fortunes. The Packers still have not recovered from the playoff beating the Cards and Kurt Warner gave them as well as from the huge loss where Larry Fitzgerald neutralized the entire Packet team.
    Until the Packers find their mojo, the Pack will be a team that dies off, if they even get near the Playoffs. And building up Kizer is bad juju as he will never be as good as Hundley.

  109. Now watch Kizer become better than every 1st round QB selected in this year’s draft.

  110. Acquiring Kizer will do nothing for Packers future fortunes. The Packers still have not recovered from the playoff beating the Cards and Kurt Warner gave them as well as from the huge loss where Larry Fitzgerald neutralized the entire Packet team.
    ======

    They never recovered from the Kurt Warner game…. other than winning the Super Bowl the next year..

    The horrendous blown coverage in the Fitz game is one of many.. the culprit is their head coach, who couldn’t scheme his way out of a wet, torn paper bag.

    Congrats to the Cards for winning those 2 games. Stand in line somewhere near the 9ers, Seahawks, Giants and Falcons, all of which have thoroughly embarrassed Mike McCarthy.

  111. Kizer didn’t really have much to work with – our genius GM let our best TE and WR from the prior year go and our defense wasn’t great. But, really, most young QBs drafted in the first 2-3 rounds are probably going to be thrown to the wolves before they’re ready. How well they do depends a whole lot on the quality of the team around them and how much of the load they’re asked to carry.

    Kizer never seemed to progress beyond simple rookie mistakes like holding the ball too long and trying to force the ball into coverage.

  112. Um….Mr.McCarthy…you can’t potential value to a player by talking him up…there is this little thing called video. This video thing assures everyone you will get nothing for this guy when you go to cut him this summer….

  113. Or maybe this is way of saying that if Kizer, as bad as he is, would have been a first rounder this year then he doesn’t think very much of any of the QBs who were drafted in the first round.

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