Matt Patricia reiterates his innocence during press conference

AP

Lions coach Matt Patricia met with reporters on Thursday, as part of a previously-scheduled press conference. He opened by making a statement regarding the story that surfaced on Wednesday evening of an indictment from 1996 on a charge of aggravated sexual assault. After his statement ended, he took roughly 13 questions.

“I’m here to defend my honor and clear my name,” Patricia said, reading from a prepared text. “Twenty-two years ago I was falsely accused of something very serious, very serious allegations. There were claims made about me that never happened. While I’m thankful on one level that the process worked and the case was dismissed, at the same time I was never given the opportunity to defend myself or to allow to push back with the truth to clear my name. This was something that was very traumatic to me when I was 21 years old, and once it was finally addressed, I tried to put it behind me.

“For those of you that are just getting to know me and those that have known me for a long time, you should know that I was raised the right way by two amazing parents who taught me to know the difference between right and wrong. To stand up for what’s right, and to stand up for those who’ve been wronged. I have two older sisters that taught me respect and love. I’ve always tried to protect them, and keep them from harm. I am a husband and a father to a wonderful and amazing family. I try to share those values with them. I am so thankful to my wife and family for being supportive of me. I believe and have always acted with a respect for all people, knowing that everyone is someone’s dad, mom, sister, brother, son, or daughter.

“I do not condone any of the type of behavior that has been alleged, and I never have. I have always been someone who respects and protects the rights of anyone who has been harassed or has been the victim of violence, and we as an organization will continue to operate that way. In these times, we need to be even more sensitive and responsible in dealing with these issues and separate right from wrong. Thankfully, truth is on my side.

“I lived with the mental torture of a situation where facts can be completely ignored or misrepresented with disregard to the consequence and pain that it would create for another person. I find it unfair and upsetting that someone would bring up this claim over two decades later for the sole purpose of hurting my family, my friends, and this organization, with the intention of trying to damage my character and credibility. I was innocent then, and am innocent now.

“Let me be clear, my priorities remain the same. To move forward and strive to be the best teacher, coach, and man that I can possibly be.”

Patricia first was asked whether he thought the issue would never come up, especially in the wake of the #MeToo movement. He explained that he began interviewing for jobs not long after the incident was resolved, and that “it never was an issue.”

Next came the question of what happened on the night in question, which resulted in Patricia and a college football teammate/fraternity brother being accused of entering a woman’s hotel room and sexually assaulting her while on spring break.

“Again, I think what’s important here is what happened 22 years ago is what didn’t happen,” Patricia said. “As I said, I was innocent then, I am innocent now. I was falsely accused of something I did not do.”

He then was asked how the situation could have resulted in a grand jury indictment, if it was a false accusation.

“Again, I was accused of something I did not do,” Patricia said. “I went through the process, and the case was dismissed.”

Patricia thereafter avoided a question regarding whether he was in the woman’s hotel room, and whether consensual sex happened.

“Again, I did nothing wrong, and that’s all I’m going to say on that matter,” Patricia said.

He explained in response to the next question that he doesn’t regret not disclosing the incident to the Lions, because it never came up in any of his various job interviews, and he said that he never failed to be truthful with the Lions.

“My mission is to move forward and be the best coach I can be,” he said. “I am absolutely 100 percent the head coach of the Detroit Lions.”

Patricia exited while reporters were still asking questions, and the effort to “clear his name” ultimately did not include many (any) specifics. That said, his denial seemed heartfelt and genuine. The only lingering question is whether the alleged victim will decide, more than two decades after not telling her story in open court, to tell her story to the court of public opinion. Unless and until she does, there’s no reason to give Patricia anything other than the benefit of the doubt, and to respect his ongoing presumption of innocence.

163 responses to “Matt Patricia reiterates his innocence during press conference

  1. When do we trust the legal system? The problem for Patricia is that even if he is innocent an accusation in today’s media is a good as a guilty verdict. It covers his name with a slime that won’t go away and people will remain skeptical of his claims that he’s innocent of wrong doing even though he went through the legal process.

  2. “The only lingering question is whether the alleged victim will decide, more than two decades after not telling her story in open court, to tell her story to the court of public opinion”

    — I’m sure there will be multiple attempts by lawyers and “journalists” to do just that.

  3. Geez, what a mess. There’s just nothing much else to say about this. With that said, I can already tell from the noise going on that this news isn’t going to die quickly. I agree with Florio that Patricia seemed heartfelt and honest during his press conference, but he did leave a couple of good questions unanswered.

    My personal bottomline on this is that spring break for young people is a dangerous time for everyone involved. That was true 22 years ago and it’s even more true today. Too much booze, too much booze, too much booze… and both drunk men and women all too often do things they really regret the next day when they sober up. If they even remember what happened.

    This whole deal is a sad mess for everyone involved. Modern times with modern media and 24 hour news is making most of us half crazy. Sigh.

  4. “Unless and until she does, there’s no reason to give Patricia anything other than the benefit of the doubt, and to respect his ongoing presumption of innocence.”

    No question. Roethlisberger is the face of a franchise working his way toward the Hall of Fame, and nobody has a problem with it–after he paid to make sexual assault charges go away during his actual NFL career. Patricia’s situation doesn’t rise to anything near that.

  5. Well now she’ll come forward with the hefty sum paid by TMZ or some other “news” organization.

  6. Those are some well prepared canned PR lawered up responses. As a Lions fan, this entire situation flat out stinks. deadspin is reporting it took them all of 30 seconds to find the incident on Nexis. How is it possible the Lions continue to be this incredibly inept? And just days after charges of racial discrimination.

    The Lions make it incredibly difficult to be a life long fan.

  7. Watched the press conference. Thought Patricia did a great job. Not sure he needs to go into any more detail, would strictly be for the media so they can get some clicks. An accusation or an indictment doesn’t mean you’re guilty or that you must explain every aspect of the situation to the media. People want a sensational story but shouldn’t get one. Any sort of assault is horrible but so are false allegations and trying to ruin someone over them.

  8. Where was this when Patricia was with the Patriots? No one brought it up and suddenly gets brought up when he becomes head coach. There’s something fishy here.

  9. He still didn’t speak to the indictment. He knows what the grand jury found. Either he got bad advice on how to deal with this or the grand jury finding is difficult to explain. He didn’t say enough to make this go away. I feel for him but as a public figure unfortunately he just has a different set of rules.

  10. I HATE the Patriots but always thought of this guy as a class act. After hearing what I just did, I continue that opinion. I’m sure the media and press will blow this up and make it a bid deal. Can we get back to football now?

  11. Right or wrong. I don’t think this is going away after a 7 minute press conference. If deadspin can find this in 30 seconds, I’m amazed the Lions didn’t investigate the man they hired, and are paying millions to be the face of the franchise, just from a PR standpoint.

  12. “the effort to “clear his name” ultimately did not include many (any) specifics.”

    Sorry, what specifics were you looking for? Sordid hotel room tales? He was pretty specific.
    “I was falsely accused”

  13. Unfortunately in this #metoo hyper sensitive world we now live in I think Matt Is Cooked. If he isn’t let go before the season he won’t last long if he has a poor record. don’t forget The Lions are a Woman Owned team as well. I think he’s done before he begins and that’s unfortunate and unfair

  14. “Patricia thereafter avoided a question regarding whether he was in the woman’s hotel room, and whether consensual sex happened. “Again, I did nothing wrong, and that’s all I’m going to say on that matter,” Patricia said.”
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    Um, WHAT?!? That is not a clear and conclusive denial of the events. Instead, I believe we just heard lawyer-speak… Why couldn’t he just say “No, I was never in her hotel room nor did we have sex. Period. End of story.” It’s now obvious something happened, probably somewhere in between her claim and his version.

  15. “Again, I think what’s important here is what happened 22 years ago is what didn’t happen.” Didn’t love that answer. In my opinion, Patricia is saying that he was in the room and something happened, but that there was no crime committed.

    As to blaming the media, puh-lease. The media is just reporting what happened. There is blame to go around, but let’s not blame the Detroit News for reporting all the facts — including context of the arrest and dismissal.

  16. There seems to be an inaccurate connotation by some that a “grand jury” indictment somehow gives extra weight to likelihood of the charges sticking, but I’ve read DAs may take a very important allegation (like a gang-rape) where there’s no hard evidence, just a he-said she-said situation, to a jury for them to decide whether to indict so as there’s no blow back on the DA. At the hearing the jury is only presented with the prosecutors’ opinion, no defense opinion. Therefore, when the girl withdrew for whatever reason, that was it. If there had been bruises and blood/fluids from the accused, witnesses hearing stuff and so on, the DA prob wouldn’t have bothered applying for a grand jury indictment.

  17. It’s nice that he’s saying he’s innocent. I won’t make a judgement until Facebook court has rendered it verdict.

  18. THE PART I DON’T UNDERSTAND IS THAT IF HE’S INNOCENT-THEN HOW DOES HE AND GUYS LIKE HIM BECOME EVEN REMOTELY CONNECTED TO THESE INCIDENTS?

  19. Nathan says: “Sorry, what specifics were you looking for? Sordid hotel room tales? He was pretty specific.”
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    I don’t know … how about an actually DENIAL of the events?? How about “I was never in her room and we never had sex”?

  20. What we really need answered are questions about how this info was dug up and the motive of the person doing it.

    We’re to the point now where the standard for outrage is such that literally every person could be ruined by something from their past, with just a little work on framing your worst or lowest moment.

    The standard has quickly gotten way too low and we need to get some perspective on it, and fast.

  21. People outside of politics and the media are not as well versed in providing specifics about events that didn’t happen.

  22. josh1973sun says:
    The Lions make it incredibly difficult to be a life long fan.

    — Then it might be best if you became another bandwagon patriot fan.

  23. Coaches love to grill college player coming in about sexuality and their own mother’s past, but Patricia the HEAD COACH runs for the hills reading from a prepared statement,lol !!!

  24. There would be no reason for the alleged victim to come forward now; prosecutor isn’t going to reopen the case and it looks like the statute of limitations for a civil suit in this scenario is 10 years in Texas.

  25. Why is anyone upset about a “lawyerly” response? The reality is that this is a closed case, legally, but that if he accidentally says the wrong thing – even one wrong word – the kangaroo court of public opinion and/or a civil suit could explode and consume him.

    It doesn’t make him sound guilty. It makes him sound rational.

  26. Gee, multiple articles about unsubstantiated claims from 20+ years ago. You guys in the press sure are loving this, aren’t you?

  27. Nathan says:
    May 10, 2018 at 12:59 pm
    “the effort to “clear his name” ultimately did not include many (any) specifics.”

    Sorry, what specifics were you looking for? Sordid hotel room tales? He was pretty specific.
    “I was falsely accused”

    ——————-
    “Patricia thereafter avoided a question regarding whether he was in the woman’s hotel room, and whether consensual sex happened.”

    Those are two pretty easy questions to answer… but he wouldn’t answer.

  28. I’m loving the folks here who feel they’re entitled to specific details, and lack of specific details must mean guilt.

  29. Guys that commit these types of crimes typically can’t help themselves and end displaying a pattern of this behavior…it’s rare that a person learns their lesson…we’ll see if another accusation comes up

  30. patriotmaleorgy says:
    May 10, 2018 at 12:39 pm
    Just wait until he doesn’t get bogus calls in his favor to help win the games. Then he will truly realize what Patriot Privilege is all about.

    ————————-

    Yes rules made up or changed during games to cheat my team, really means we have some mythical “privileges”.

    Do you idiots ever make sense? How many conf title games or SBs (2 illegal TDs by Philly), have affected your team under Goodell’s regime?

    Hmmmm?

    Have you ever had an “apology letter” sent to your team after a “faceguarding” penalty that doesn’t exist in the NFL at all, sent to your team after they lose 38-34 because of a gift TD given to the opponent (Colts)?

    Lastly, how many 5th place trophies do you have in your closet, little guy?

  31. This has been fully adjudicated and its done. The case was dismissed. Move on and he’s not obligated to provide any additional air time on the matter.

    And people still wonder why the press is reviled and mistrusted.

  32. pftthoughtpolicemostwanted says:
    May 10, 2018 at 12:49 pm

    Its because he is innocent. Contrary to poplar belief, citizens of this country are considered innocent until proven guilty. Remember?

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    If he is innocent, the problem here is that Patricia is already being tried in the court of public opinion. Many have already deemed him guilty solely due to the accusation. So his name is ruined in many respects.

    The sad thing is in these him vs her situations is there are only two people (well three in this case) who actually know the truth. Someone is lying here. And that is the problem I have with our legal system.

    In a court case people are required to put their hand on the bible and swear to the Good Lord above to tell the truth. In today’s America roughly 50% of the country believe in the bible and God. So where does that leave the other half who don’t? That are required to put their hand on and swear to something they have no faith in? Where is their motivation to tell the truth outside of a long shot that they would end up with a perjury charge?

    This situation will forever remain unresolved for the person or persons telling the truth. The hurt and pain will remain for the victim or victims here.

  33. “He then was asked how the situation could have resulted in a grand jury indictment, if it was a false accusation.”

    And the award for Most Idiotic Question Asked by a Reporter goes to…..

    Really? Because false accusations NEVER result in grand jury indictments?????

  34. Man, I can’t wait to hear about how heavenly all the commenters on here when they were 21.

    Case dismissed. No charges.

    Move along, morally superior people, move along.

  35. kevpft says: “Why is anyone upset about a “lawyerly” response?”
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    No, all he had to say was never in her hotel room and they never had sex. That would clear up 100% of the allegation. Instead, his “lawyerly” response makes it painfully obviously that something (may not exactly as alleged) happened in that hotel room and he’s not being truthful about it to his team or the public.

  36. mack2x says:
    May 10, 2018 at 1:06 pm
    josh1973sun says:
    The Lions make it incredibly difficult to be a life long fan.

    — Then it might be best if you became another bandwagon patriot fan.
    _____________________________________________________________________

    Not happening. Incredibly difficult is not impossible. I will always be a Detroit sports fan. Even while my attention wanes by cause of inept ownership and management.

  37. “Patricia thereafter avoided a question regarding whether he was in the woman’s hotel room, and whether consensual sex happened.”

    Those are two pretty easy questions to answer… but he wouldn’t answer.

    —————————————————————

    And within that statement lies “the rub”…..

  38. Matt Patricia wore a Goodell clown shirt on the trip home from the Super Bowl after the Patriots beat the Falcons. I will never forget seeing that on the news. It was an epic poke-goodell-in-the-eye moment. I loved it.

  39. sigbouncer says:
    May 10, 2018 at 1:18 pm
    pftthoughtpolicemostwanted says:
    May 10, 2018 at 12:49 pm

    Its because he is innocent. Contrary to poplar belief, citizens of this country are considered innocent until proven guilty. Remember?

    ———————————————————-

    If he is innocent, the problem here is that Patricia is already being tried in the court of public opinion. Many have already deemed him guilty solely due to the accusation. So his name is ruined in many respects.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Oh please tell me about Roy Moore in Alabama! *slaps head repeatedly*

  40. Lot’s of folks on here have neither served on a Grand Jury or have a clue how it works. Grand Jury can and have indicted people for any and everything. The burden of proof to get a person indicted for something isn’t all that great.

  41. If you read what Deadspin dug up (in 30 seconds), the police report reads, “aggravated sexual assault of a child.” So she wasn’t even legal age. And then he and another person were indicted for this alleged incident. Think about that one for a while.

  42. rolltide510 says: “I’m loving the folks here who feel they’re entitled to specific details, and lack of specific details must mean guilt.”
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    No, it just means that without a clear and concise denial (ie “I wasn’t in her room and we never had sex”) that there could be some truth to the accusation afterall.

    My wife and daughter are hardcore fans of football too. They want the team to investigate further and take appropriate action if it’s true. Sweeping it under the rug or ignoring the allegations is not the way to go.

  43. Hmmm, coincidence I guess how these charges weren’t mentioned when he was part of the “we have done nothing wrong” Patsies.

  44. akira554 , It’s perfectly legal to have sex between consenting adults . It’s perfectly legal to be in a hotel room . No reason for Patricia to address either issue because the indictment spoke to an alleged sexual assault which Patricia denied not whether he had consensual sex with the woman or if he was ever in the hotel room .

  45. “He said [Perp No.1]… he said [Perp No.2]… versus she said.”

    Dude, just fall on the sword man, geez.

  46. Guilt or innocence isn’t even the real story here.
    The Lions should have been on top of this and had him vetted before the hire.
    And if they still wanted to do this deal, they should have been out in front of this story with the girl in question in line.

  47. If he did nothing wrong, why didn’t he answer every question? Innocent people don’t abruptly walk out on questioning.

  48. bangpow says: “Man, I can’t wait to hear about how heavenly all the commenters on here when they were 21.”
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    Pretty sure most of us never got close to being indicted for sexual assault…

  49. sterling7 says:
    May 10, 2018 at 1:05 pm

    THE PART I DON’T UNDERSTAND IS THAT IF HE’S INNOCENT-THEN HOW DOES HE AND GUYS LIKE HIM BECOME EVEN REMOTELY CONNECTED TO THESE INCIDENTS?
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    A few years ago I read about a female prison psychologist who filed a rape charge because her husband would not move them from their neighborhood. Which she evidently didn’t like living in.

    To create the scene for this rape. She created a home break in situation. She actually got her best friend to punch her in the face while wearing a boxing glove. So her lip would be swollen.

    Don’t remember how, but they were both caught. I believe the end result was both women getting off with probation, no jail time.

    Just goes to show that your presuming guilt here as you are doing. All due to an accusation. Is not always the proper perspective to have. There are a lot of mentally disturbed individuals on both sides of the aisle.

  50. Watching so many of you outsiders, who are completely ignorant of the facts of the situation, so eagerly defending a man accused and indicted for a heinous crime against a woman…is it any wonder why the #metoo thing erupted?
    Can you just imagine, after being raped/violated/assaulted, to then have to endure being called a liar, an opportunist, whatever, when all you did was report a crime to law enforcement? Are you so incapable of empathy or compassion?

    Here’s a tip: conduct yourself honorably in your affairs, and you’ll never have to fear being accused of a crime. Trust me, it is much better way to live, than it must be to spend your time and energy conducting character assasination of women you’ve never met, women who, in all likelihood, suffered a terrible ordeal at the hands of cruel and selfish men.

  51. Strange that Belichick and Kraft went out of their way to retain Josh McDaniels after the SB, but not Matt Patricia. Now a report that a private firm investigated Patricia back in January makes me wonder if the Patriots found out before everyone else and just let him leave…

  52. We really are at that point in time where being accused of a crime ruins your life.

    It can be a completely false or a completely true accusation. It just doesn’t matter. Guilt or innocence does not matter one bit.

    The accusation is all that matters.

    Scary.

  53. akira554 says:
    May 10, 2018 at 1:22 pm

    kevpft says: “Why is anyone upset about a “lawyerly” response?”
    —————————-

    No, all he had to say was never in her hotel room and they never had sex. That would clear up 100% of the allegation. Instead, his “lawyerly” response makes it painfully obviously that something (may not exactly as alleged) happened in that hotel room and he’s not being truthful about it to his team or the public.
    _________

    Even if he he was in her hotel room and they did have sex, that doesn’t mean there was a sexual assault. It’s highly unlikely this woman would make up a story about two random guys. Drunken sex on spring break is a bad idea but it isn’t illegal and I don’t need to hear details about it.

  54. “Aggravated sexual assault of a child”….maybe some of the legal experts on this message board could explain how this one is another case of “buyers remorse” or “he said/she said” come on all you lawyers and brainiacs! The legal age of consent in Texas was 16 at this time. He was 23. So, she was 15 years of age or younger—He and his pal did a forcible act to her in a South Padre hotel room–she went to the police, he was indicted but then all charges were dismissed due to her unwillingness to testify–and that makes him 100% innocent?!?!? If the daddies of these girls did what daddies should do to men like this, and some do in Texas–there would be no Matt Patricia head coach of anything. Most you think this stuff is funny or made up, you cant help how you were raised, but dont call yourself a man until you stand up and take down those who do this kind of stuff.

  55. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. I reserve the right to be skeptical when accusations are made against a high profile person and there’s something to be gained by the accuser, but Matt Patricia was a 21-year old nobody in 1996. She had nothing to gain by blowing the whistle on them. Something stinks here. And ask yourself how many times YOU’VE been indicted by a grand jury when you think about this story.

  56. vikings1234 says:
    May 10, 2018 at 1:27 pm
    Matt Patricia wore a Goodell clown shirt on the trip home from the Super Bowl after the Patriots beat the Falcons. I will never forget seeing that on the news. It was an epic poke-goodell-in-the-eye moment. I loved it.

    ———————-

    Makes one wonder if Goodell’s agendas are behind a lot of this, doesn’t it?

    I mean, yes, Goodell himself.

    Don’t laugh. That guy is one creepy mother and channels his inner Josef Goebbels daily.

    His background is in Marketing, and I find it very suspicious Chris Mortensen never admitted he didn’t corroborate NFL’s story on Deflategate AND at the same time never took down his WRONG information Jeff Pash lied to Kraft about taking down from ESPN channels.

    Translation?

    That cheating, corrupt commissioner will do ANYTHING to anyone at any time it serves what his agenda is.

  57. Seems kind of slimeballish for the reporter in Detroit to throw this guy under the bus for something that he was not found guilty of just to say he broke a story. Especially when the accuser was the one not willing to cooperate with the prosecution.

    This was not news this was digging up old wounds for the sake of doing it. It’s up there with the losers who wait till the week of draft day to start spilling their guts on guys that they don’t want to succeed.

  58. akira554 says:
    May 10, 2018 at 1:38 pm
    Strange that Belichick and Kraft went out of their way to retain Josh McDaniels after the SB, but not Matt Patricia. Now a report that a private firm investigated Patricia back in January makes me wonder if the Patriots found out before everyone else and just let him leave…

    ——————————–

    Not strange at all:

    1. Patricia worked for the Pats for over a decade.
    2. The Lions defense has blown for years.
    3. The Lions had Quinn as the GM.
    4. BB loves supporting proteges who aren’t slimeballs (Mangini) and loves to see them grow in the industry.

    Meanwhile, McDaniels offer came from the corrupt, cheating disgusting Colts. I am shocked he even took the phone call for an interview.

  59. “realityonetwo says:
    May 10, 2018 at 1:28 pm

    If you read what Deadspin dug up (in 30 seconds), the police report reads, “aggravated sexual assault of a child.” So she wasn’t even legal age. And then he and another person were indicted for this alleged incident. Think about that one for a while.”

    ________________

    No, don’t think about that for a while – because it’s incredibly inaccurate – and this is how things like this spin out of control and into lunacy. Yes, that’s what Deadspin found – but what they found was not the actual indictment, but a Nexis synopsis – and those can have errors.

    The actual indictment does not say this at all (you can see the actual indictment if you want to look for it), and the article that started all this says the accuser was 21.

  60. corkscrew71 says:
    May 10, 2018 at 1:45 pm
    Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. I reserve the right to be skeptical when accusations are made against a high profile person and there’s something to be gained by the accuser, but Matt Patricia was a 21-year old nobody in 1996. She had nothing to gain by blowing the whistle on them. Something stinks here. And ask yourself how many times YOU’VE been indicted by a grand jury when you think about this story.

    ————————-

    That makes no sense. The prosecutor DROPPED THE CHARGES. There was no settlement, so there was no cover up either.

    Lastly, Patricia has been famous for a while now, so the supposed victim could have done this a long time ago, but didn’t.

    The bottom line is, someone fed this info to Snell at the Detroit Free Press and hyet another vile scum behind a keyboard lied or misled the public on something that really isn’t nwes, and is not being held accountable.

    I am suing if I am Patricia.

    Absolutely. The industry has to be re-aligned. This is outright craziness.

  61. What a disaster to begin your new job as HC with this hanging over head! Way to go Lions, never a dull moment in the Motor city. The failure and embarrassment of this team is uncanny!!

    LoLions!!!!
    ________________________________________________

    Wasn’t he a coach for the Pats? If you slam the Lions then you have to slam the Patriots as well.

    This is trash. Happened years ago and it resulted in no charges being filed. Move to a real story PFT.

  62. Ezekiel Elliott not arrested nor indicted, pariah and guilty in many eyes. Patricia indicted and not too convincing in press conference, people quick to defend him. Something’s not right.

  63. corkscrew71 says:
    May 10, 2018 at 1:45 pm
    Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. I reserve the right to be skeptical when accusations are made against a high profile person and there’s something to be gained by the accuser, but Matt Patricia was a 21-year old nobody in 1996. She had nothing to gain by blowing the whistle on them. Something stinks here. And ask yourself how many times YOU’VE been indicted by a grand jury when you think about this story.
    ——————————
    I’ve been arrested for domestic battery without ever laying a hand on someone. So yes, all it takes is an accusation by someone who plays the role of victim well.

  64. toadinthewoods says:
    May 10, 2018 at 12:45 pm
    “Unless and until she does, there’s no reason to give Patricia anything other than the benefit of the doubt, and to respect his ongoing presumption of innocence.”

    No question. Roethlisberger is the face of a franchise working his way toward the Hall of Fame, and nobody has a problem with it–after he paid to make sexual assault charges go away during his actual NFL career. Patricia’s situation doesn’t rise to anything near that.

    Sure it does….Ben was never indicted. In fact he was never charged. Patricia was indicted.

  65. akira554 , It’s perfectly legal to have sex between consenting adults . It’s perfectly legal to be in a hotel room . No reason for Patricia to address either issue because the indictment spoke to an alleged sexual assault which Patricia denied not whether he had consensual sex with the woman or if he was ever in the hotel room .

    **************
    two male adults and 1 woman, typical responsible behavior, of course. Comments like that is why it’s important to educate folk on these types of acceptable standard responses

  66. Wow, it’s like some of you have never lived or been outside your mom’s basement.

    He likely WAS in her room and they almost certainly had sex. So what? Neither of those things are illegal. They’re great actually, unless you’re a low-testoterone shut-in.

    That’s why he didn’t deny them. He only denies any wrongdoing. Too difficult to understand?

  67. shurmanblog says:
    May 10, 2018 at 1:29 pm
    akira554 , It’s perfectly legal to have sex between consenting adults . It’s perfectly legal to be in a hotel room . No reason for Patricia to address either issue because the indictment spoke to an alleged sexual assault which Patricia denied not whether he had consensual sex with the woman or if he was ever in the hotel room .

    ———————————

    Exactly. And for the dorks who are saying he should have been vetted better, it’s not on his record.

    This whole thing is absurd.

    Why was Peyton Manning drafted after teabagging a trainer and then ruining her career as revenge?

    Hmm?

    Why didn’t the Colts vet Peyton Manning better?

  68. akira554 says:
    May 10, 2018 at 1:22 pm
    kevpft says: “Why is anyone upset about a “lawyerly” response?”
    —————————-

    No, all he had to say was never in her hotel room and they never had sex. That would clear up 100% of the allegation. Instead, his “lawyerly” response makes it painfully obviously that something (may not exactly as alleged) happened in that hotel room and he’s not being truthful about it to his team or the public.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Put some more thought into this. This kind of accusation rarely appears out of thin air between people who have never met. He said he did nothing wrong and the legal disposition of the case was a dismissal. Nobody is entitled to any details. It is likely he was in the hotel room. By adding any details like we didn’t have sex or other such statements invites comparison to any evidence that may have been collected. Even a claim the sex was consensual invites further questions and comparison to the woman’s story then and likely the one she may tell in the coming days. There is no benefit to saying anything at all beyond what he did. Your claim that he is being untruthful is unfounded. “I have done nothing wrong” includes any actual interactions with her AND any accusation of actions that didn’t happen.

  69. Of course he is INNOCENT as he was NOT CONVICTED (or even tried) of anything.

    This witch-hunt mentality is destructive and insane. People lie on all sides. Destroying people’s lives (or the Media trying to) over a 20 year old allegation is reprehensible.

  70. I find it unfair and upsetting that someone would bring up this claim over two decades later for the sole purpose of hurting my family, my friends, and this organization, with the intention of trying to damage my character and credibility. I was innocent then, and am innocent now.

    Welcome to the new “news”. All arrests, questionings, if a cop looks in the general direction of your house, you’re guilty.

    The legal system is racing towards that which we saw in Gotham under Bane and Judge Crane, and the denizens of Trollhatten are loving it,until it happens to their team or family member.

    This is not a hearing to determine guilt or innocence, this is a sentencing hearing.

  71. aj66shanghai says:
    May 10, 2018 at 1:37 pm

    Watching so many of you outsiders, who are completely ignorant of the facts of the situation, so eagerly defending a man accused and indicted for a heinous crime against a woman…is it any wonder why the #metoo thing erupted?
    Can you just imagine, after being raped/violated/assaulted, to then have to endure being called a liar, an opportunist, whatever, when all you did was report a crime to law enforcement? Are you so incapable of empathy or compassion?

    Here’s a tip: conduct yourself honorably in your affairs, and you’ll never have to fear being accused of a crime. Trust me, it is much better way to live, than it must be to spend your time and energy conducting character assasination of women you’ve never met, women who, in all likelihood, suffered a terrible ordeal at the hands of cruel and selfish men
    ___________________
    ^^ Sounds like aj66shanghai is projecting to cover up something. I now too accuse you and, by your reasoning, you are obviously guilty.

  72. aj66shanghai says:
    May 10, 2018 at 1:37 pm
    Watching so many of you outsiders, who are completely ignorant of the facts of the situation, so eagerly defending a man accused and indicted for a heinous crime against a woman…is it any wonder why the #metoo thing erupted?
    Can you just imagine, after being raped/violated/assaulted, to then have to endure being called a liar, an opportunist, whatever, when all you did was report a crime to law enforcement? Are you so incapable of empathy or compassion?

    Here’s a tip: conduct yourself honorably in your affairs, and you’ll never have to fear being accused of a crime.

    Thanks for confirming the wide gap between this opinion and reality. Arrest only requires a small burden.

    Truly many of the people in this country do not deserve the jurisprudence system we enjoy.

  73. Someone asked why it didn’t get brought up when he was with the Pats. It’s because it can’t be brought up under Massachusetts law if it didn’t result in a conviction. To be honest I don’t know what to think about this case however he didn’t have nearly as much money at the time of the accusations as he does now so the fact that she dropped it wasn’t as a result of a payment or a plea deal.

  74. shurmanblog says:
    May 10, 2018 at 1:29 pm
    akira554 , It’s perfectly legal to have sex between consenting adults

    ___________________________________
    Consenting Adults?!?!?!? WTF?!

    “Aggravated sexual assault of a child” – Do I need to spoon feed the explanation to you so your pea brain can u-n-d-e-r-s-t-a-n-d??? She was not an adult.

    I don’t get fools like you – you talk loud but have no idea what the eff you are talking about!!

    Another right-wing moron, strikes again

  75. 2mnywhtguysinNE says: “Here’s a tip: conduct yourself honorably in your affairs, and you’ll never have to fear being accused of a crime.”

    What, we’re telling jokes now? Because the naivete behind that statement is downright funny!

  76. Why are people demanding that he say (insert whatever here). He was 20, the DA went to the grand jury to find out if they had enough (or any) evidence against him. They didn’t, meaning they could not substantiate the claim of the accuser. Meaning charges dropped = Not guilty.

    Him, the Lions, no one.. owes you jack squat.

    Morally superior people, comment away.

  77. Most rapes don’t even go reported due to victim blaming. Funny how Patricia believes a woman (probably drunk) consenting to 2 males, is an attack on his character? Wow!! If nothing happened say it, otherwise that’s not normal and gentlemanly behavior. Typical football jock entitled mentality. To Claim he’s the victim is morally bankrupt imo!

  78. “Again, I did nothing wrong, and that’s all I’m going to say about that”. That is not a denial. So SOMETHING did happen in that hotel room. The question is what, was it legal, and how did it lead to an indictment? Something’s not adding up.

  79. Wasn’t he a coach for the Pats? If you slam the Lions then you have to slam the Patriots as well.

    This is trash. Happened years ago and it resulted in no charges being filed. Move to a real story PFT.

    —————————

    That’s REALLY why Snell wrote this. He or his boss told him to get clicks.

    All it takes is one massive lawsuit for defamation, something the Pats should have considered twice, after exposing Goodell’s lies in Framegate I and II, but they were told to shut up and be cheated or it will get worse.

    Just disgusting.

  80. The legal system has already answered this – I’m no Pats fan or like anyone ever associated with that disgusting franchise, but Patricia has no reason to defend jack now. In 1996 it was determined there is no case to prosecute so let it go. This is another hyped case for clicks.

  81. drednot says:
    May 10, 2018 at 2:46 pm
    Why so many Patriot references? What the hell do they have to do with this?

    0 0 Rate This

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    MOney. Click on webpages.

    It’s why the media lies. They know non Pats fans who are so jealous of them will revel in articles on the web and make comments like you see now.

    Follow the money.

  82. drednot says:
    May 10, 2018 at 2:46 pm
    Why so many Patriot references? What the hell do they have to do with this?
    ________________________________________________

    Maybe because he was a Patsie* when it happened???

  83. Sounds like a lot of trumps demographic putting their two cents in. when the ” media ” follows a story thats not popular with them, its the media being unfair. but if a black athlete was giving a similar response, all the sudden its not the media thats being untruthful but the athlete.

  84. sterling7 says:
    THE PART I DON’T UNDERSTAND IS THAT IF HE’S INNOCENT-THEN HOW DOES HE AND GUYS LIKE HIM BECOME EVEN REMOTELY CONNECTED TO THESE INCIDENTS?

    –The only way to eliminate any chance to become even remotely connected to these or any other incident is to live in a bubble. As long as you interact with other human beings, there’s a chance.

  85. tfootball1234 says:
    May 10, 2018 at 3:01 pm
    Sounds like a lot of trumps demographic putting their two cents in. when the ” media ” follows a story thats not popular with them, its the media being unfair. but if a black athlete was giving a similar response, all the sudden its not the media thats being untruthful but the athlete.

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    Well, Trump’s IQ is very low so I didn’t vote for that loser, but I can tell you that I knew Zeke Elliott was innocent and he was framed, so no, please don’t insinuate all white people are racist.

  86. Its crazy people are surprised by this.

    We can list DOZENS and dozens of players teams didn’t do their research on, and/or took a chance anyway. Mandarich, Leaf, Phillips, Leonard Little, Jamarcus, Manziel….

    We’re really shocked they missed here?

  87. Simply amazing how all the fanboys here have first hand access to the evidence. Also, amazing the fan boys are all attornies. Go to lawschool boys. Try over a dozen jury trials. I did. Get back to me. LOL! YOU guys are so precious.

  88. aj66shanghai says:
    Here’s a tip: conduct yourself honorably in your affairs, and you’ll never have to fear being accused of a crime.

    — although this good, it’s not even remotely true.

  89. luchey says:
    May 10, 2018 at 2:40 pm
    Why are people demanding that he say (insert whatever here). He was 20, the DA went to the grand jury to find out if they had enough (or any) evidence against him. They didn’t, meaning they could not substantiate the claim of the accuser. Meaning charges dropped = Not guilty.

    Him, the Lions, no one.. owes you jack squat.

    Morally superior people, comment away.
    **************************

    He was indicted!! Grand Jury ruled there was enough evidence. Sure no jury would find it suspicious of a woman consenting to 2 males, total witch hunt.

  90. tfootball1234 says:
    Sounds like a lot of trumps demographic putting their two cents in.

    –Ding, ding, ding. Was wondering how long before Trump’s name would be brought into this.

  91. The NFL needs to get better at vetting their coaches. It’s embarrassing for the Patriots and the Lions that no one knew about this. It’s even worse if they knew about it and are lying about it now to save face. For everyone saying that Patricia was found not-guilty, please read the original article in the Detroit Free Press. He and his friend were arrested on the night of the alleged assault, and later indicted on aggravated sexual assault charges. That means that a jury thought that there was enough evidence to send the case to trial. The woman dropped the case because she could not handle the stress of going through a trial, which is a common thing among sexual assault victims. He was not found innocent nor was he found guilty. This is not something that someone is just making up for attention.

  92. idiedpretty says:
    May 10, 2018 at 3:17 pm

    Simply amazing how all the fanboys here have first hand access to the evidence. Also, amazing the fan boys are all attornies. Go to lawschool boys. Try over a dozen jury trials. I did. Get back to me. LOL! YOU guys are so precious.

    First off, law school grad, nice grammar. Second, what is the basis for our criminal justice system? Innocent until proven guilty. An accusation is just that.

  93. A few of you an here are latching on to Deadspin’s “assault of a child” report and trying to claim the accuser was a minor.

    Stop. Please, just stop.

    The actual, real indictment is available for review, and it does NOT say this at all. The actual indictment charged “Aggravated Sexual Assault.” The Deadspin report is using inaccurate information from a Nexis search, which they themselves recognize could have inaccurate details.

    The accuser was reported to be 21 years of age and and a college student.

  94. Great Judgement obviously. Hmmmm…. lets bench Malcolm our most consistent DB, 2 guys 1 girl of course it’s consent. Insinuating anything else is traumatic to me and an attack on my manhood.

  95. Maybe because he was a Patsie* when it happened???

    ____________________________

    When he was 21? He was in college. Did you bother to read the story?

  96. harveyredman says:
    Consenting Adults?!?!?!? WTF?!

    “Aggravated sexual assault of a child” – Do I need to spoon feed the explanation to you so your pea brain can u-n-d-e-r-s-t-a-n-d??? She was not an adult.
    I don’t get fools like you – you talk loud but have no idea what the eff you are talking about!!
    Another right-wing moron, strikes again

    –Both the stories from the Detroit News and the original from 1996 state she was 21. Should probably know the facts before getting all belligerent.

  97. tylawspick6 says:

    Yes rules made up or changed during games to cheat my team

    Hey Ty – I thought Kraft owned the Pats. I didn’t know you had ownership!

  98. akira554 says:
    May 10, 2018 at 1:22 pm
    kevpft says: “Why is anyone upset about a “lawyerly” response?”
    —————————-
    No, all he had to say was never in her hotel room and they never had sex. That would clear up 100% of the allegation. Instead, his “lawyerly” response makes it painfully obviously that something (may not exactly as alleged) happened in that hotel room and he’s not being truthful about it to his team or the public.
    ========

    Why did he have to say that? Which one of those things is illegal? If he entered that room by invitation and had consensual sex, than his claim that he did nothing wrong remains accurate.

  99. The Pats may be the only team in the history of the league occupying 2 courtrooms at the same time: one for caveman Patricia, & another for more Hernandez’ yet-to-be-determined murders.

  100. bradygirl12 says:
    May 10, 2018 at 3:43 pm
    Maybe because he was a Patsie* when it happened???

    ____________________________

    When he was 21? He was in college. Did you bother to read the story?
    ____________________
    No

  101. idiedpretty says:
    May 10, 2018 at 3:17 pm
    Simply amazing how all the fanboys here have first hand access to the evidence. Also, amazing the fan boys are all attornies. Go to lawschool boys. Try over a dozen jury trials. I did. Get back to me. LOL! YOU guys are so precious
    ——————————————-

    Then one would think you would no how to spell ‘attorneys’ and ‘law school’

  102. pftthoughtpolicemostwanted says:
    May 10, 2018 at 12:49 pm
    Its because he is innocent. Contrary to poplar belief, citizens of this country are considered innocent until proven guilty. Remember?
    *****************************************************
    Were you in a coma for all of 2017….did you not see what happened to Elliott? It makes NO difference if you actually did it, it makes NO difference if the police drop the charges….Hell it makes NO difference if the police didnt actually charge you! All that matter is how the commissioner feels the allegations make the league look and if the can “reasonably” assume that something “more likely than not” occurred, which was the threshold used to remove Elliott for 6 games.

  103. Press conferences are not place to try guilt or innocence but just another case of how well run both Ford and the Lions are. In today’s world why you would fail to mention this item in your interview is beyond belief.

  104. What a seemy, seedy, tawdry society we’ve become where “journalists” climb over each other to ask a guy cleared of any wrong doing if he had sex with a girl while on Spring Break over 20 years ago when he was 21, because that would accomplish…..what? It would just feed the monster. Civility, class, respect, dignity, humility….all gone from heritage America, with perhaps some small exceptions. And how did this happen? Who brought this upon us? One need only look at the names headlining the C-Suites of all the major media outlets, warped political agendas, and the rapidly changing demographics.

  105. So once again the dishonest media offends by reporting all the known publically reported facts about a particular matter! How dare they!
    They judged him guilty by reporting on the known facts.
    They are supposed to keep to themselves anything I don’t want to know!

  106. drednot says:
    May 10, 2018 at 2:46 pm
    Why so many Patriot references? What the hell do they have to do with this?

    ——————-

    The Patriots are so far in to #TheHaters’ heads that they can’t think straight. It’s kind of like Trump and CNN/MSNBC

  107. weeteblog says:
    May 10, 2018 at 4:04 pm
    pftthoughtpolicemostwanted says:
    May 10, 2018 at 12:49 pm
    Its because he is innocent. Contrary to poplar belief, citizens of this country are considered innocent until proven guilty. Remember?
    *****************************************************
    Were you in a coma for all of 2017….did you not see what happened to Elliott? It makes NO difference if you actually did it, it makes NO difference if the police drop the charges….Hell it makes NO difference if the police didnt actually charge you! All that matter is how the commissioner feels the allegations make the league look and if the can “reasonably” assume that something “more likely than not” occurred, which was the threshold used to remove Elliott for 6 games.

    ————

    It didn’t help that Elliott had a video of him pulling a woman’s top down in public

  108. “Did you bother to read the story?
    ____________________
    No”

    Not surprising. Pats haters are not know for their English or science comprehension. I’m sure all the big words Florio used were too much for you to get through.

  109. crush22 says:
    May 10, 2018 at 2:57 pm
    Typical response from ANYBODY associated with the Patsies*…….
    ….I DIDN’T DO IT!

    —————–

    Yeah….good Broncos just blame Ashley Manning when caught

  110. richndc says:
    May 10, 2018 at 1:43 pm
    “Aggravated sexual assault of a child”….maybe some of the legal experts on this message board could explain how this one is another case of “buyers remorse” or “he said/she said” come on all you lawyers and brainiacs! The legal age of consent in Texas was 16 at this time. He was 23. So, she was 15 years of age or younger—He and his pal did a forcible act to her in a South Padre hotel room–she went to the police, he was indicted but then all charges were dismissed due to her unwillingness to testify–and that makes him 100% innocent?!?!? If the daddies of these girls did what daddies should do to men like this, and some do in Texas–there would be no Matt Patricia head coach of anything. Most you think this stuff is funny or made up, you cant help how you were raised, but dont call yourself a man until you stand up and take down those who do this kind of stuff.

    _____________________________________________________

    She was apparently 21, not under age.

  111. “Maybe because he was a Patsie* when it happened???”

    Another person with no reading comprehension. This happened when Patricia was in college and 21 years old.

    SMH

  112. grant35 says:
    May 10, 2018 at 3:50 pm
    The Pats may be the only team in the history of the league occupying 2 courtrooms at the same time: one for caveman Patricia, & another for more Hernandez’ yet-to-be-determined murders.
    —————————————
    Ummmmmmmm….. Hernandez is dead.

  113. iowahbr says:
    May 10, 2018 at 4:06 pm
    Press conferences are not place to try guilt or innocence but just another case of how well run both Ford and the Lions are. In today’s world why you would fail to mention this item in your interview is beyond belief.

    ———————

    It is?

    I had a weed conviction for possession and had 6 months of probabation while in college. It dropped off my record soon after and I have never once mentioned it to any employer ever, because I don’t need to.

    Do you drink dummy juice every day or every other day? My goodness. What is with dumb Millennials?

    Patricia wasn’t even charged after they realized there was no evidence of any kind.

  114. grant35 says:
    May 10, 2018 at 3:47 pm
    tylawspick6 says:

    Yes rules made up or changed during games to cheat my team

    Hey Ty – I thought Kraft owned the Pats. I didn’t know you had ownership!

    0 0 Rate This

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    Might as well. My family has their seats engraved at Gillette. Spent thousands upon thousands supporting MY team for over 3 decades at this point.

    Enjoy your day!

  115. lukedunphysscienceproject says: “If he entered that room by invitation and had consensual sex, than his claim that he did nothing wrong remains accurate.”
    ——————————–

    That’s the whole point – he didn’t actually SAY ANYTHING. He neither denied the incident nor did he say it was consentual. So obviously something happened in that hotel room and probably somewhere in between the two stories.

    He is not some innocent choirboy being railroaded by a woman making a false claim.

  116. ahummler72 says:
    May 10, 2018 at 3:43 pm
    Great Judgement obviously. Hmmmm…. lets bench Malcolm our most consistent DB, 2 guys 1 girl of course it’s consent. Insinuating anything else is traumatic to me and an attack on my manhood.

    1 3 Rate This

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    Butler had a 103 passer rating, which is horrible, had an up and down season, and then cried like an 8 year old an amusement park when told he was not in the starting package on the opening drive.

    This is someone you trust and consider your “best” DB?

    LOL!

    Share with us how many adult 28 year olds start balling their eyes out simply because they aren’t starting based on the package that was being used?

  117. Ultraviolet Thunder says:
    May 10, 2018 at 2:51 pm
    The legal system has already answered this – I’m no Pats fan or like anyone ever associated with that disgusting franchise, but Patricia has no reason to defend jack now. In 1996 it was determined there is no case to prosecute so let it go. This is another hyped case for clicks.

    2 3 Rate This

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    Yes, the greatest franchise in sports history is truly “disgusting”.

    Jealous much?

    The people who are disgusting are Goodell and entitled, silver spooned owners that cheat because they’re spoiled born losers who so badly think they’re entitled just because of who they are.

    I can tell you’re a loser just by you believing in people like this, Goodell, and other liars who are absolutely reprehensible human beings.

    The Pats are pure class, ever speak badly about an opponent and never make excuses whey they lose, or go running to Goodell to change rules either.

    People like you are a disgrace and you’re likely a little Millennial with 5th place trophies stocked up in your closet.

  118. Maybe because he was a Patsie* when it happened???
    _______________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Crush, stop embarrassing yourself. He was 21 when it happened and in college. He had absolutely no affiliation with the Patriots whatsoever at that point. I get it, the best franchise in history with the best coach and QB are constantly in your head. Facts are still facts, however.

  119. greggallmansliver says:
    May 10, 2018 at 3:58 pm
    idiedpretty says:
    May 10, 2018 at 3:17 pm
    Simply amazing how all the fanboys here have first hand access to the evidence. Also, amazing the fan boys are all attornies. Go to lawschool boys. Try over a dozen jury trials. I did. Get back to me. LOL! YOU guys are so precious
    ——————————————-

    Then one would think you would no how to spell ‘attorneys’ and ‘law school’

    It’s a bad look to correct someone’s spelling and/or grammar and make a mistake yourself but you “know” that, correct?

  120. “the effort to “clear his name” ultimately did not include many (any) specifics.”

    So lets say just for the sake of argument he is innocent…in such case there would not be specifics for him to give.

  121. sullivanspin says:
    May 10, 2018 at 12:42 pm
    When do we trust the legal system? The problem for Patricia is that even if he is innocent an accusation in today’s media is a good as a guilty verdict. It covers his name with a slime that won’t go away and people will remain skeptical of his claims that he’s innocent of wrong doing even though he went through the legal process.
    —————————————————————————-

    I’d bet a large portion of the people who gave this a thumbs up have called Ray Lewis a murderer even though he too went through the legal process and the charge was dropped.

    If that’s your standard, be consistent.

  122. tylawspick6 says:
    May 10, 2018 at 4:48 pm

    Butler had a 103 passer rating, which is horrible, had an up and down season, and then cried like an 8 year old an amusement park when told he was not in the starting package on the opening drive.

    This is someone you trust and consider your “best” DB?

    *********

    I used the word ”consistent” , he played 97.8% of the snaps most of any DB, hence consistent
    learn the facts, learn english
    Eagles beat the Patriots
    Eagles are world Champs
    Patricia I guess believes in polyagmy I suppose then. Patriot way!

  123. Matt Patricia owes no one an explanation, none whatsoever. If the media wants to give the Lions a hard time to generate a story, that’s their business. But this is a closed matter for Patricia and he ought to just refuse to answer any questions.

    Not hard to see why the public hates and mistrusts the mainstream media so much.

  124. Even if this was dismissed the teams head of security should have found this info and brought it to the attention of ownership. If you dont know most teams have a ex law enforcement official as the head of security. They normally have connections with the local and state police departments. They put these prospective players though all kinds of BS but fail to do the same to the staff. Mr. Moore could have found this if he went through the same steps he would normally take doing the background on a player. The person who should be at the podium answering questions is Elton Moore.

    The head of team security passes out his business card to all incoming players and says if you get into trouble call me first. LOL why would I call you??

  125. So the guy who did and still does treat Greg Hardy like hes 1 of the worst human beings to ever play in the NFL, even though he was never convicted of a crime, is telling us that there is no reason not to give Matt Patrica the benefit of the doubt? Him lying on probably every job form and in every interview hes ever done is no reason? The police being so confident in the case that they sent it to the DA, the DA being so confident in the case that they sent it to the Grand Jury, and the Grand Jury being so confident in the case that they sent back an indictment, which is basically a recommendation to go ahead and try the defendants for felonies in a trial that will likely cost the state 10s of thousands of dollars. Is no reason? Yet Greg Hardy doing a quasi mock nonbinding trial with a single judge before he ever had a real jury trial is enough to not only doubt but essentially convict him in your eyes.

    So besides the fact that 1 is a coach and the other a player, that 1 is affable and the other isnt, or that 1, if this blows over, will be around for a long time and can give him plenty of content and access for his podcasts and shows. What is the other noticeable difference between Greg Hardy and Matt Patricia?

    Well besides the fact that the crime we are suppose to give the benefit of the doubt on is much more heinous then the other.

  126. Would it not be like the Lions to fire Patricia for something he was found innocent of?? Cave to the pressure Mr.Ford!!!

  127. elvoid says:
    May 10, 2018 at 2:39 pm
    2mnywhtguysinNE says: “Here’s a tip: conduct yourself honorably in your affairs, and you’ll never have to fear being accused of a crime.”

    What, we’re telling jokes now? Because the naivete behind that statement is downright funny!

    The shanghai guy said that not me. Please read carefully before making accusations.

  128. “How about “I was never in her room and we never had sex”?”

    He can clear it all up with a simple statement…like Bill Clinton did…when he went on TV and stated “I never had sex with that woman….Miss Lewinsky”. Simple…over and done with 🙂

  129. I feel bad for the woman involved because it sounds like she was traumatized once already. Now, 22 years later, you know darn well that all these media members and investigative reporters are going to chase her down and grill her with questions and tear her life apart just so they can be first to get her story and get clicks. I’m sure it’s too much to ask to let her be. Hopefully she can’t be found for her sake.

  130. >Its because he is innocent. Contrary to poplar belief, citizens of this country are considered innocent until proven guilty. Remember?

    That hasn’t stopped all the comedians who comment here from making OJ and Ray Lewis murder jokes every time they come up.

  131. >Its because he is innocent. Contrary to poplar belief, citizens of this country are considered innocent until proven guilty. Remember?

    That hasn’t stopped all the comedians who comment here from making OJ and Ray Lewis murder jokes every time they come up

  132. This is not about his guilt or innocence. This is about his IQ for not bring the issue up during his interviews. And an indictment indicates that there is more than “he said she said” lurking beneath the surface here or at least that there was when this whole thing got started.

  133. Yes, the greatest franchise in sports history is truly “disgusting”.
    =====

    I would use a lot of adjectives to describe the Yankees.

    Disgusting isn’t one of them.

  134. “folkcrusader says:
    May 10, 2018 at 12:55 pm
    He still didn’t speak to the indictment. He knows what the grand jury found. Either he got bad advice on how to deal with this or the grand jury finding is difficult to explain. He didn’t say enough to make this go away. I feel for him but as a public figure unfortunately he just has a different set of rules”
    You realize that in a Grand Jury only the prosecutor speaks? Any decent prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich if he is using a grand jury,
    To ruin the reputation of a man whose case was dismissed 20 years ago is horrible.
    Not a Patriots or Lions fan. But what is fair is fair.

  135. Umm, from what I’ve read the only reason this did not go forward was because the woman (I had better not use the word “victim” on these boards) wouldn’t return to Texas to testify after leaving once spring break was over. This is more than just an “I asked him to stop” incident, which I’m sure would also be met with vitriol here. Supposedly he busted into her room and took turns raping her with his buddy. He was identified by the girl and her friend. Expected testimony by nurses and doctors would seem to back up claims of a violent sexual assault. I don’t know what happened, and I’m not saying he did it but there should DEFINITELY be more of an investigation. Should someone get a pass if they committed such a vile crime just because they got away with it 20 years ago when a woman didn’t want to fly to Texas to relive it all in public? I don’t want some dude coaching my team who did such a thing.

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