Derek Carr taking Jon Gruden’s aggressive coaching, for now

AP

When Jon Gruden emerged as the favorite to return to Oakland as coach of the Raiders, a clear concern arose: Will Derek Carr be able to coexist with Chucky?

So far, they aren’t at each other’s throats.

Albert Breer of SI.com reports that Carr has “identified with Gruden’s passion for football,” and Carr is (so far) “enthusiastic about the pushing and prodding he’s gotten from his new coaches.” Of course, it’s one thing for Carr to be pushed and prodded when pressure is low. When the practices become games and when the games begin to count, the pushing could be shoving and the prodding could be sufficiently strong to get a herd of cattle to sprint from Oakland to Las Vegas.

Gruden nevertheless seems to be keenly aware of the practical limits of aggressive coaching, realizing that his style needs to be adapted to the personalities of the players who are being coached. If there’s a concern that Carr could crumble from the kind of barrages Chris Simms routinely faced from Gruden in Tampa, then Gruden will try another way.

Ultimately, Gruden wants to win. And he knows that, in order to win, he needs the best out of his quarterback. If Gruden’s style doesn’t draw that out, it’s on Gruden to come up with a better way.

35 responses to “Derek Carr taking Jon Gruden’s aggressive coaching, for now

  1. It will interesting to see who stays longer.

    The $25 million QB.

    Or

    The $10 million Coach.

    I hope they can manage to win one Super Bowl before they divorce.

  2. I don’t know where all this is coming from. Non Raider fans (and some Raider fans) will bash Carr for some reason or another, but his football passion and IQ rank up there with the best QBs in the league. The guy loves football and is easily the most driven QB we’ve had since Gannon. The only probably I could see is the swearing. It’s well documented that Carr is kind of a goody goody. He should thrive under Gruden.

  3. @bullcharger

    He’s also been traded and fired. You’re logic, or lack of, is not very strong

  4. bullcharger says:
    May 17, 2018 at 10:27 am
    Uh… he’s a Super Bowl champion coach and he’s been working with NFL QBs every year since. He’s knows what he is doing.

    Uh…he’s a .540 career coach with only four double digit win seasons out of 11. five dismal seasons and two 9-7s that don’t indicate that he “knows what he is doing.” At all.

  5. “They’ll both be out the league in 3 years.”

    Mark Davis is way to cheap to pay Gruden the 70 million guaranteed he’ll still be owed at that point. That’s the problem with this coaching deal. If Gruden does well that’s one thing. But if the team is bad the next 2-3 years they’re stuck with that Gruden contract.

  6. TruFBFan says:
    May 17, 2018 at 11:04 am
    bullcharger says:
    May 17, 2018 at 10:27 am
    Uh… he’s a Super Bowl champion coach and he’s been working with NFL QBs every year since. He’s knows what he is doing.

    Uh…he’s a .540 career coach with only four double digit win seasons out of 11. five dismal seasons and two 9-7s that don’t indicate that he “knows what he is doing.” At all.

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    Yeah it does.

    His .540 win percentage is ahead of Tom Coughlin and only slightly behind Jimmy Johnson and Mike Shanahan. Combine that with the 4 double digit win seasons, which is good, and the Super Bowl, and you have a good coach. Only 32 coaches have won a Super Bowl. It’s pretty rare company.

  7. Derek Carr taking Jon Gruden’s aggressive coaching, “for now”
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    For now, huh? Trying to fabricate drama again.

  8. Gruden better have him ready for week 1. The “Double A gap blitzes” from the Rams. Yikes!

  9. I like Carr a lot (my favorite current player next to Khalil Mack) and there’s no doubt in my mind that he’s the best Raiders QB since Rich Gannon.

    However aside from the overall bad impression I’ve always had about Gruden (going back to his 1st stint as Raiders HC) I fear that the match with Carr won’t work for some key reasons. First of all, Carr is a talented guy who is more laid back than Gannon was (e.g. he doesn’t yell at teammates or get in their faces) so he won’t be an extension of Gruden’s aggression on the field. Also, Carr has very good skills & arm strength for throwing the deep ball and Gruden likes the “West Coast Offense” (also known as dink-and-dunk) which again was fine for someone like Gannon but would be wasting Carr’s talent.

    If there’s an impasse between Carr & Gruden and Carr’s game suffers, then I know I’ll blame Gruden 100$ rather than Carr because Carr proved that he was able to excel when he had a coach (Musgrave) who took advantage of his skill-set and didn’t attempt to force him into an out-of-character personality mode.

  10. Every day, Gruden brings Derek into his office and sits him down in an awkward, uncomfortable seting to mock him while showing film of his worst plays. Then he asks him how he feels about all the negative things people are saying about him.

  11. thegreatgabbert says:
    May 17, 2018 at 2:11 pm
    Every day, Gruden brings Derek into his office and sits him down in an awkward, uncomfortable seting to mock him while showing film of his worst plays. Then he asks him how he feels about all the negative things people are saying about him.
    ________________________________

    And then Carr should bring out a recording of Gruden on ESPN’s draft coverage where he incessantly banged the table for Manziel to go with the first overall pick (and then the next… and then the next…) and ask him how that went.

  12. schmitty2 says:
    May 17, 2018 at 1:17 pm
    Gruden better have him ready for week 1. The “Double A gap blitzes” from the Rams. Yikes!
    _________________________________________

    Do you even know who plays on the interior of our OL? You might want to look those guys up on wikipedia.

    This is ridiculous stuff about Gruden and Carr. Gruden turned league journeyman Gannon into league MVP. He turned league journeyman Brad Johnson into a SB winner.

    Let’s not forget, Gruden was in GB with Holmgren and Favre, he knows what to do with this kind of smart, competitive, big-armed, decently mobile QB. But he wasn’t the HC back then.

    As HC in OAK, Gruden can own the world with a talent like Derek Carr. He has never had anyone this talented to work with, and he knows it. He’s licking his chops, and there’s no freaking way he’s going to trash this situation.

  13. Gruden will get the most out of all his QB’s, including backup Conner Cook. Carr and Cook are easily the most talented QB duo in the NFL, and now they have a top flight coach. Carr wants to be a great QB, so he welcomes anything Gruden can do to help make that happen. The Raiders have had like one winning season in the last 17 years, so any player who loves winning is going to love the changes Gruden is bringing to this team. Also, once Gruden gets Cook up to speed in a year or two, Carr will have to keep working hard to just keep the job.

  14. bullcharger says:
    May 17, 2018 at 11:30 am

    Yeah it does.

    His .540 win percentage is ahead of Tom Coughlin and only slightly behind Jimmy Johnson and Mike Shanahan. Combine that with the 4 double digit win seasons, which is good, and the Super Bowl, and you have a good coach. Only 32 coaches have won a Super Bowl. It’s pretty rare company.

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    Gruden in his 1st Raider stint was no more successful than Art Shell was in his 1st Raiders HC stint (and both Shell and Del Rio got the Raiders to the playoffs in their 2nd years whereas Gruden didn’t have a winning season until his 3rd year). I still can never understand the popularity that Gruden enjoys among some other Raiders fans although I admit the guy would make a helluva used-car salesman.

    As for Gruden’s Super Bowl win, that’s largely attributed to Barret Robbins’ meltdown on the eve of the game which forced the Raiders to abandon their plan to focus on running the ball and Gruden knew the Raiders passing plays. In fact, years later Tim Brown accused Bill Callahan of deliberately throwing the Super Bowl.

    Unfortunately I think that Gruden’s 2nd Raider HC stint will turn out to be similar to Shell’s. The difference for me is that I still like and admire Art Shell owing to his greatness as a Raiders HOF player whereas I never bought into Gruden’s act at any point in time.

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