Belichick on Brady: “I’m not going to talk about the people who aren’t here”

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Patriots coach Bill Belichick was asked today to talk about Tom Brady, but he wouldn’t.

Brady is absent from the Patriots’ Organized Team Activities, and when Belichick was asked about that, he quickly shut it down.

“I’m not going to talk about the people who aren’t here. The guys who are here are improving, working hard. That’s who we’re going to focus on,” Belichick said.

Belichick was also asked about Rob Gronkowski, who is also absent but is expected to make it to OTAs at some point. Again, Belichick declined to talk.

“I’m focused on the guys that are here and those are the guys we’re working with in the OTA process Phase 3,” Belichick said.

In fact, Belichick didn’t talk much about the players who were there, either. When asked about some of the Patriots’ rookie draft picks, Belichick said it had already been covered in the team’s post-draft press conference.

Belichick did say that OTAs are valuable.

“It’s always good to get back on the field and be working with everybody in Phase 3,” Belichick said. “We were able to do a little bit in Phase 2 against air, get some teaching and instruction, but this is much better. It’ll progress faster and just do more with our team, starting yesterday and for the next couple weeks. It’s always good to get to that point. We have a lot of new players on our team.”

So OTAs are important, and Brady isn’t there, but what Belichick draws from that we’ll have to figure out for ourselves, because Belichick isn’t talking about Brady.

84 responses to “Belichick on Brady: “I’m not going to talk about the people who aren’t here”

  1. .
    Not talking about players who aren’t there goes back to the Terry Glenn incident, and has been standard operating procedure ever since. Nothing to see here.
    .

  2. as long as the Bills, Dolphins and Jets continue to play like the girls that they are…
    the Patriots whole team could skip OTA and they would still sleepwalk to home field advantage in the playoffs and pathetically easy path to the SB.

  3. Why is this news? Bellichick was coaching in Super Bowls when Tom Brady was still playing with GI Joe’s and practicing his kisses with a pillow.

    He can run the ship any way he darn well pleases.

  4. That is seriously funny. Its going to drive the media nuts because they could care less about the guys that are there, they only want to talk about who isn’t.

    Now just to use the logic I always see from the media: Belichick could have confirmed they were not there but declined to do so. This begets the question whether they possibly are there but the organization has chosen to avoid making any such statements.

  5. Reminds me of this part from Office Space:

    “Fifteen is the minimum, okay? Now, you know it’s up to you whether or not you want to just do the bare minimum. Or… well, like Brian, for example, has thirty seven pieces of flair, okay. And a terrific smile.”

    OTA’s are voluntary. Simple as that. Don’t agree for things to be voluntary and then be angry when an 18 year veteran decides to spend time with his family instead of going to camp.

  6. Brady is not there because he is still angry about the inexplicable benching of The Butler, because Brady blames the benching for the reason he does not have a 6th Super Bowl ring. Belichick is not going to talk about the reason Brady is not there because he does not want to talk about the benching, since he has no rational explanation for what he did.

  7. jagsfan1 says:
    May 22, 2018 at 10:45 am
    as long as the Bills, Dolphins and Jets continue to play like the girls that they are…
    the Patriots whole team could skip OTA and they would still sleepwalk to home field advantage in the playoffs and pathetically easy path to the SB.

    —-
    Yeah if you are a fan of a team from the AFC South
    I wouldn’t be talking about how bad a division is.

    Since 2001 the AFC South has been the Worst division in the league

    But yet No one ever said that when Manning was cruising through that division every season.

    Or joe Luck and the Colts has a 500 record outside the division over 2 seasons but had a winning record within the division over that same time frame so they won the division and made the playoffs

  8. Get used to not seeing Brady and Gronk. Both of them are going to retire after the don’t make the playoffs this year.

  9. It’s over in New England it just hasn’t ended yet ! Just like the Titanic this ship is going downnnnnnnnnnnnnn !

  10. superpatriotsfan says:
    May 22, 2018 at 10:48 am

    You should, because of Brady you are a successful HC.
    _____________________________________

    The same Brady you rip at every opportunity? Gotta love Pats haters, when the subject is Belichick the success belongs to Brady but when the subject is Brady it’s all Belichick and his magic system, rinse, lather, repeat.

  11. Only question now is what team does Brady go to next season to try and stick it to Belichick and win a Super Bowl without him? Tom most likely won’t win a Super Bowl without Bill, but will spend his final season elsewhere trying.

    My early guess on where Brady plays next season: Denver

  12. In Bill we trust. End of the story. Tom will be at the mandatory 3 day camp in June.
    Nothing to talk about … end of this story..

  13. Man, the grumpy old man schtick has to get really old for the Pats players who have been there the longest. No wonder Brady doesn’t want to be on campus any more than he has to be.

  14. Belichick woul have said the exact same thing about any player not in attendance. To imply otherwise is nonsense.

  15. jagsfan1 says:
    May 22, 2018 at 10:45 am

    as long as the Bills, Dolphins and Jets continue to play like the girls that they are…
    the Patriots whole team could skip OTA and they would still sleepwalk to home field advantage in the playoffs and pathetically easy path to the SB.
    ___________________________________________________

    Anyone making the weak division argument for New England’s success has to be a fool not to realize geographically the Pats are in the Northeast and belong in either a Northern or Eastern division. Brady/Belichick’s win percentage against North or East divisions: AFCE .792, NFCE .813, AFCN .833, NFCN .875. So how is it that the AFCE is so bad when their % is better than any other division the Pats might find themselves in? Which of those ‘better’ divisions would you rather the Pats be in? NE is also .828 against the Jags putrid division as well and that’s despite only playing the top team in that division 2 of every 3 years. I am sure now that you have real numbers you will reconsider your position as any sensible person would.

  16. Same people saying he is nothing without Brady were the ones calling for Brady’s benching after they lost one bad road game in KC early in the 2014 season. Two rings since then including one that season, and that is still my favorite press conference of all time. You remember, the one where he set a reporter on fire using only his scorn.

  17. omeimontis says:
    May 22, 2018 at 10:55 am
    Brady is not there because he is still angry about the inexplicable benching of The Butler, because Brady blames the benching for the reason he does not have a 6th Super Bowl ring. Belichick is not going to talk about the reason Brady is not there because he does not want to talk about the benching, since he has no rational explanation for what he did.

    ———————
    Beat that horse! I think it twitched.

    The thing is, had Belichick put in Butler all these same critics would have been criticizing the choice the very first time an Eagle reciever ran past him and kept pulling away all the way down the field. They would have pointed out how obvious that was since Butler still only about 75% speed that day. Whether or not Butler could have made better plays when the ball was arriving is moot when he isnt strong enough to keep up with the receiver in the first place. The sad fact is that the injuries by that point plus Butlers illness had left the Patriots with no dbacks after Gilmore that could do the job.

  18. jman967 says:
    May 22, 2018 at 10:42 am
    If nothing else, I’m just enjoying BB getting riled up about people asking him questions he doesn’t want to answer.
    ——————————————————————————————–
    Highlight of a supporter of a loser team.

  19. fofrenchy says:
    May 22, 2018 at 11:00 am
    Belichick hasn’t done squat without Brady as his QB. Look at his record without Brady as his QB, it less than .500.

    ——–

    The Patriots went 3-1 during Brady’s suspension, they went 11-5 during Brady’s injury. As long as the system is in place we are going to be fine.

  20. Belichick hasn’t done squat without Brady as his QB. Look at his record without Brady as his QB, it less than .500.
    =====

    He’s won 14 of his last 20 in games without Brady the last decade. .700%

  21. Man the Boston area has the weakest sports reporters in America. They have absolutely no backbone. They sheepishly ask him the most basic of questions, and he still hits them back with rude condescending answers, and they take it with a smile. When someone does that to a reporter they are suppose to start asking tougher harder questions not shrivel up like they have for the last decade.

    How do they let him get away with that “We covered it at the draft press conference” line with out them coming back with “So your saying theyve had no contact with the team since then? That you havent talked to any of them about the system, the playbook? you havent seen how they are grasping it? You havent done any on field work with them? None of them have shown up to study film or train?” And when he responds he never said that, then they should say “Then which 1 is it? Is it pointless to ask about the draft picks bc you havent had any opportunities to glean new information since the press conference. Or have you gained new information through their interactions with you, your coaches, and your training staff since then that we could ask about?”

    I know that that would be very confrontational but the guy has really left them no choice. At least not if they wanna have some dignity at work and be able to hold their heads high. While also doing a semi decent job at informing their readers. I mean come on grow a pair. Wouldnt you like to be talked to with respect at work, or at least put the guy who wont show you any in his place?

  22. Since 2001 the AFC South has been the Worst division in the league

    But yet No one ever said that when Manning was cruising through that division every season.
    ======

    Since re-alignment

    Jags – 3 Playoff trips, 3 wins
    Titans – 5 Playoff trips, 3 wins
    Texans – 4 Playoff trips, 3 wins

    Bills – haven’t won a playoff game this century (only 1 appearance)
    Dolphins – haven’t won a playoff game this century (3 tries)
    Jets – 6 Playoff trips, none since 2010, 6 wins

    Don’t see how the South is worst than the LEast.

  23. superfanentertainment says:
    May 22, 2018 at 10:46 am
    Why is this news? Bellichick was coaching in Super Bowls when Tom Brady was still playing with GI Joe’s and practicing his kisses with a pillow.

    ***********************************************************************************************
    Tom Brady never played with GI Joe. He seems like more of a My Little Pony type.

  24. boknowsvt says:
    May 22, 2018 at 11:51 am
    superfanentertainment says:
    May 22, 2018 at 10:46 am
    Why is this news? Bellichick was coaching in Super Bowls when Tom Brady was still playing with GI Joe’s and practicing his kisses with a pillow.

    ***********************************************************************************************
    Tom Brady never played with GI Joe. He seems like more of a My Little Pony type.

    ————————-
    Not even that. He spent his childhood trying on rings.

  25. Tom is the GOAT. He could turn up for the first game without any practice whatsoever and still win. Yes, he may be a little rusty and probably needs to practice with some new players but for him it is more important that the O-line is functioning properly.
    Tom is unlike any player who has ever played the game because he doesn’t need to run fast or be super fit. He has perfected his skill in reading opposing defenses and then exploiting them.

  26. AFC East easily the worst division in the past 15 years. Can someone name me the best QB the Pats have faced in this division in the past 15 years? What a joke.

  27. Belichek was A.I. before A.I. was ever invented.
    No emotion, disconnected.
    Press a button = Super Bowl.

  28. bullogne says:
    May 22, 2018 at 12:00 pm
    AFC East easily the worst division in the past 15 years. Can someone name me the best QB the Pats have faced in this division in the past 15 years? What a joke.


    And can you name the best QB Manning faced in the afc South over that same time???

    AFC South statistically the worst division since 2001
    Fact

  29. Tom Brady never played with GI Joe. He seems like more of a My Little Pony type.


    Then it really must suck to know that some guy that grew up playing with My little pony is BETTER than any QB that has ever played for whatever team you root for

  30. bullogne says:
    May 22, 2018 at 12:00 pm
    AFC East easily the worst division in the past 15 years. Can someone name me the best QB the Pats have faced in this division in the past 15 years? What a joke.

    ————–

    At least the teams in the AFCEast typically beat the Pats each season. Just imagine if the Pats played in the cream-puff AFC North. When was the last time one of those teams beat the Pats?

  31. jagsfan1 says:

    May 22, 2018 at 10:45 am

    as long as the Bills, Dolphins and Jets continue to play like the girls that they are…
    the Patriots whole team could skip OTA and they would still sleepwalk to home field advantage in the playoffs and pathetically easy path to the SB.

    ======================================

    The Brady-era Patriots division record doesn’t really reflect that. Their winning pct. is pretty much the same in and out of division, and that’s with playing a first place out of division schedule almost every year. AFC East plays Pats tougher than you think. Especially in Miami.

  32. The same Brady you rip at every opportunity? Gotta love Pats haters, when the subject is Belichick the success belongs to Brady but when the subject is Brady it’s all Belichick and his magic system, rinse, lather, repeat.

    Looks like pot meets kettle in an epic dumbing down……looks like a Pat’s fan fell off their lofty perch.

  33. I hardly think this is the end of the line for the Pats, even though there’s definitely some kind of rift.

    But everyone lining up to tap dance on the Pats’ grave when it finally IS over….you don’t get to do that. That’s pathetic. That’s like celebrating the death of a dictator, except he died peacefully in his sleep at 110 years old after terrorizing three generations of your family. You can feel relief, but you didn’t stage a coup and overthrow anybody, stop celebrating🙄🙄🙄

  34. My team has won multiple Super Bowls with multiple QBS. Brady’s time will end and the Pats will go back to being the forgotten franchise that they were until 2001.

  35. aarons444 says:

    May 22, 2018 at 11:37 am

    Belichick hasn’t done squat without Brady as his QB. Look at his record without Brady as his QB, it less than .500.
    =====

    He’s won 14 of his last 20 in games without Brady the last decade. .700%

    ================================

    BB is 18-19 without Brady starting, with 33 of those 37 games started by a QB who went to a Pro Bowl. And 3 of those QBs went on to have better years after leaving the Pats.

    And in the last decade they’ve missed the playoffs once with one of the easiest schedules in the NFL that year with Cassel, and in same decade went 109-31 (.780) with Brady, along with the obvious post season sucesses. Its pretty clear that they need each other to maintain the same success.

  36. aarons444 says:
    May 22, 2018 at 11:48 am
    Since 2001 the AFC South has been the Worst division in the league

    But yet No one ever said that when Manning was cruising through that division every season.
    ======

    Since re-alignment

    Jags – 3 Playoff trips, 3 wins
    Titans – 5 Playoff trips, 3 wins
    Texans – 4 Playoff trips, 3 wins

    Bills – haven’t won a playoff game this century (only 1 appearance)
    Dolphins – haven’t won a playoff game this century (3 tries)
    Jets – 6 Playoff trips, none since 2010, 6 wins

    Don’t see how the South is worst than the LEast.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++
    Checkmate

  37. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:

    May 22, 2018 at 11:35 am

    fofrenchy says:
    May 22, 2018 at 11:00 am
    Belichick hasn’t done squat without Brady as his QB. Look at his record without Brady as his QB, it less than .500.

    ——–

    The Patriots went 3-1 during Brady’s suspension, they went 11-5 during Brady’s injury. As long as the system is in place we are going to be fine.

    ==============================

    hahaha, but I thought they traded the wrong QB??? I thought that you said they should have kept the player who became highest paid QB in the NFL? Now you’re going BACK to your “system” argument? Which is it? Should they have kept the super expensive unproven QB over the cheaper MVP, or should they just cut Brady and start Hoyer? Those are the choices you have given yourself. You gotta get your story straight. Both stories are completely wrong, but at least pick one.

  38. Its pretty clear that they need each other to maintain the same success.
    =====

    I think Belichick would be able to win Super Bowls with another QB.

    5 of them? Probably not.

  39. bullcharger says:
    May 22, 2018 at 10:50 am
    “Reminds me of this part from Office Space”

    I expect you are directing this to guys in the media and the perpetual malcontents on Boston sports radio like the girls on Felger and Mazz, not Belichick, right?

  40. aarons444 says:

    May 22, 2018 at 1:00 pm

    Its pretty clear that they need each other to maintain the same success.
    =====

    I think Belichick would be able to win Super Bowls with another QB.

    5 of them? Probably not.

    ============================

    True, he’s a big reason Jeff Hostetler has a SB ring. But he’s not touching 5 as a head coach (and 7 rings total) without one of the greats at QB. Some outstanding QB-ing was needed to pull out a lot of those tight playoff games.

  41. mixjuan says:
    May 22, 2018 at 1:09 pm
    bullcharger says:
    May 22, 2018 at 10:50 am
    “Reminds me of this part from Office Space”
    I expect you are directing this to guys in the media and the perpetual malcontents on Boston sports radio like the girls on Felger and Mazz, not Belichick, right?

    ————

    exactly

  42. I suppose it’s a story since he typically DOES participate in OTAs. But the major difference is he specifically said he wants to spend more time with his family this offseason, so here he is, doing just that.

    Also, I appreciate B.B’s response really. He doesn’t want to do a disservice to those players who are present and hungry to learn the system in place.

    If a star player doesn’t show up to mandatory camp then it’s a story, but this isn’t so much.

  43. Seeing the Patsies didn’t have any fans until 2002 i completely understand their ignorance. Just an fyi, if you don’t thnk belichick is doing a slow burn over this you really are clueless

  44. The Truth says:

    May 22, 2018 at 1:33 pm

    Seeing the Patsies didn’t have any fans until 2002 i completely understand their ignorance. Just an fyi, if you don’t thnk belichick is doing a slow burn over this you really are clueless

    =========================

    The Pats sell out streak goes back to 1994.

  45. This is what BB says every time so nothing new. But is surprising in the Brady no show because we know the value he puts on practice. Imo Brady will show soon and BB is fully aware of of this because they more than likely talk. Or Brady just wants some extra battery charging time. Which could mean he is slowly losing his love or competitive juices for the game. But I honestly think it’s nothing and he will show soon.

  46. @cliff-Donahue,

    I’ve been there pal on more than one occassion. 20% go to watch the game and 80% go to get wasted in the parkig lot. NOTHING to do with being a fan. As i was stating earlier

  47. commentawaitingdeletion says:
    May 22, 2018 at 11:26 am
    jagsfan1 says:
    May 22, 2018 at 10:45 am

    as long as the Bills, Dolphins and Jets continue to play like the girls that they are…
    the Patriots whole team could skip OTA and they would still sleepwalk to home field advantage in the playoffs and pathetically easy path to the SB.
    ___________________________________________________

    Anyone making the weak division argument for New England’s success has to be a fool not to realize geographically the Pats are in the Northeast and belong in either a Northern or Eastern division. Brady/Belichick’s win percentage against North or East divisions: AFCE .792, NFCE .813, AFCN .833, NFCN .875. So how is it that the AFCE is so bad when their % is better than any other division the Pats might find themselves in? Which of those ‘better’ divisions would you rather the Pats be in? NE is also .828 against the Jags putrid division as well and that’s despite only playing the top team in that division 2 of every 3 years. I am sure now that you have real numbers you will reconsider your position as any sensible person would.
    —————————————————————————-

    This is factually incorrect. If one looks at the Patriots record against the NFC East, INCLUDING Super Bowls, their win percentage is 0.684 – worse than against any other division. This is the time period from 2000 to present – the first year of the BB regime. It’s still good, but you don’t want to leave out those Super Bowl losses to Giants (2x) and Eagles and skew the facts.

  48. jagsfan1 says:
    May 22, 2018 at 10:45 am
    as long as the Bills, Dolphins and Jets continue to play like the girls that they are…
    the Patriots whole team could skip OTA and they would still sleepwalk to home field advantage in the playoffs and pathetically easy path to the SB.

    90 75 Rate This

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    yes, the afc south is a real juggenaut

  49. patriotmaleorgy says:
    May 22, 2018 at 12:45 pm
    aarons444 says:
    May 22, 2018 at 11:48 am
    Since 2001 the AFC South has been the Worst division in the league

    But yet No one ever said that when Manning was cruising through that division every season.
    ======

    Since re-alignment

    Jags – 3 Playoff trips, 3 wins
    Titans – 5 Playoff trips, 3 wins
    Texans – 4 Playoff trips, 3 wins

    Bills – haven’t won a playoff game this century (only 1 appearance)
    Dolphins – haven’t won a playoff game this century (3 tries)
    Jets – 6 Playoff trips, none since 2010, 6 wins

    Don’t see how the South is worst than the LEast.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++
    Checkmate
    —————
    I get the premise of your argument but what it fails to realize is that during the great Peyton Manning Colt teams, The great Tom Brady Pats teams were winning too, but long after Peyton left Indy, Brady still remained(s) in Foxboro, making it hard for AFCE opponents.

    Peyton left in 2011 meaning the last 6 years the ‘other’ AFC South teams haven’t had to face the great Peyton Manning Colts, meaning the path to the playoffs for easier no?
    2011-Texans 10-6
    2012-Texans 12-4
    2013-Colts 11-5
    2014-Colts 11-5
    2015- Texans 9-7
    2016- Texans 9-7
    2017-Jags 10-6

    What I’m saying is that if Peyton were around the last 6 years doing his usual 12-4 to 14-2 thing for the Colts, likely none of the other 3 teams are making the post season. But he got hurt, released, and moved onto DEN. And apparently now that is yet another argument against Tom Brady…..🙄

  50. jagsfan1 says:
    May 22, 2018 at 10:45 am
    as long as the Bills, Dolphins and Jets continue to play like the girls that they are…
    _______________________
    Hahaha……..
    Check out Jag fan.
    One decent season and they talk smack.
    Cute.

  51. fofrenchy says:

    May 22, 2018 at 11:00 am

    Belichick hasn’t done squat without Brady as his QB. Look at his record without Brady as his QB, it less than .500.’

    ————

    Belichick has had Brady for 90% of his career. He’s only been the head coach of two teams, the Browns and the Patriots. He has had Brady pretty much his entire time in NE and nobody wins in Cleavland. There is no data behind this statement.

    Lets look at the rare occasion he didn’t have Brady in NE. I believe it was 2012, he lost Brady to injury, and the Patriots went to the playoffs with Matt Cassel who is not good. Or 2016 where Brady was suspended. They won 3 out 4 games with out him against good teams. And they won the Superbowl that year. I’m not even a Patirots fan but you cannot deny Bill’s greatness. He’s the best coach in the history of the NFL.

  52. He’s always said this about players who don’t go to OTAs or what not. This is only news because it’s about Brady and Gronk.

  53. Lets look at the rare occasion he didn’t have Brady in NE. I believe it was 2012, he lost Brady to injury, and the Patriots went to the playoffs with Matt Cassel who is not good. Or 2016 where Brady was suspended. They won 3 out 4 games with out him against good teams. And they won the Superbowl that year. I’m not even a Patirots fan but you cannot deny Bill’s greatness. He’s the best coach in the history of the NFL.

    It was 2008 and they DID NOT go to the playoffs that year with Cassel
    In fact they DID not beat a team with a winning record that season.

  54. The Truth says:
    May 22, 2018 at 1:33 pm
    Seeing the Patsies didn’t have any fans until 2002 i completely understand their ignorance. Just an fyi, if you don’t thnk belichick is doing a slow burn over this you really are clueless

    If they didn’t have any fans until 2002, how have they sold out EVERY game since 1994????

    Ignorance is bliss…

  55. The last time the Pats played in Miami those girls down there beat the crap out them.

  56. bentedges says:
    May 22, 2018 at 2:01 pm

    This is factually incorrect. If one looks at the Patriots record against the NFC East, INCLUDING Super Bowls, their win percentage is 0.684 – worse than against any other division. This is the time period from 2000 to present – the first year of the BB regime. It’s still good, but you don’t want to leave out those Super Bowl losses to Giants (2x) and Eagles and skew the facts.
    ___________________________________________

    The numbers represent divisional win percentages which by definition can only be made up of regular season games lol.

  57. May 22, 2018 at 2:49 pm

    Lets look at the rare occasion he didn’t have Brady in NE. I believe it was 2012, he lost Brady to injury, and the Patriots went to the playoffs with Matt Cassel who is not good. Or 2016 where Brady was suspended. They won 3 out 4 games with out him against good teams. And they won the Superbowl that year. I’m not even a Patirots fan but you cannot deny Bill’s greatness. He’s the best coach in the history of the NFL.

    It was 2008 and they DID NOT go to the playoffs that year with Cassel
    In fact they DID not beat a team with a winning record that season.

    ——————–

    Ok. They didn’t make the playoffs, but they still won 11 games. That’s pretty good for losing your starting QB. In most years 11 wins is enough to punch a ticket to the playoffs. Bill is still the ultimate coach.

  58. It’s their division, it’s the refs, it’s cheating, it’s luck, it’s the Tuck Rule, it’s the schedule, it’a cherry pickwd stats, ANY excuse to deny the greatness of the Pats dynasty. Keep crying while I laugh. #joke.

  59. The Truth says:

    May 22, 2018 at 2:00 pm

    @cliff-Donahue,

    I’ve been there pal on more than one occassion. 20% go to watch the game and 80% go to get wasted in the parkig lot. NOTHING to do with being a fan. As i was stating earlier

    =============================

    I grew up 5 miles from the stadium. You’re half right. People like to get hammered AND go to the game and root hard for the Pats. You can do both. Most NFL/concert stadiums are like that. Saying the phrase “as I was stating earlier” doesn’t cut it when you’re still incorrect.

  60. bentedges says:

    May 22, 2018 at 2:01 pm

    commentawaitingdeletion says:
    May 22, 2018 at 11:26 am
    jagsfan1 says:
    May 22, 2018 at 10:45 am

    as long as the Bills, Dolphins and Jets continue to play like the girls that they are…
    the Patriots whole team could skip OTA and they would still sleepwalk to home field advantage in the playoffs and pathetically easy path to the SB.
    ___________________________________________________

    Anyone making the weak division argument for New England’s success has to be a fool not to realize geographically the Pats are in the Northeast and belong in either a Northern or Eastern division. Brady/Belichick’s win percentage against North or East divisions: AFCE .792, NFCE .813, AFCN .833, NFCN .875. So how is it that the AFCE is so bad when their % is better than any other division the Pats might find themselves in? Which of those ‘better’ divisions would you rather the Pats be in? NE is also .828 against the Jags putrid division as well and that’s despite only playing the top team in that division 2 of every 3 years. I am sure now that you have real numbers you will reconsider your position as any sensible person would.
    —————————————————————————-

    This is factually incorrect. If one looks at the Patriots record against the NFC East, INCLUDING Super Bowls, their win percentage is 0.684 – worse than against any other division. This is the time period from 2000 to present – the first year of the BB regime. It’s still good, but you don’t want to leave out those Super Bowl losses to Giants (2x) and Eagles and skew the facts.

    ====================================

    Including the playoffs obviously would decrease the winning pct against the NFC. Every single NFL team’s winning pct. tends to go down in the playoffs. Its common sense. You’re facing the very best team in the NFC for that given year, not the “Browns of the NFC”.

  61. aarons444 says:
    May 22, 2018 at 1:00 pm
    Its pretty clear that they need each other to maintain the same success.
    =====

    I think Belichick would be able to win Super Bowls with another QB.

    5 of them? Probably not.

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    The first 3 SB were mainly due to the great defense and great special teams. The early 2000s defense were just as good as the Ravens defense of the time despite of having no name players. It was all Belichick defensive genius at work.

    The last 2 SB could have been won with Garoppolo at the helm. Yes Brady played great 4th quarter football against the Seahawks and the Falcons but those teams also self destructed. It’s also forgotten that in both those games Brady threw picks that would have been very costly had the defense not kept the Patriots in the game. The picks to Lane, Wagner against Seattle, the pick six against the Falcons all by Brady. If Garoppolo doesn’t turn the ball over and these teams self destruct, we still win those SBs. So 3 by the defense and 2 by Garoppolo would still make 5 total for Belichick.

  62. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    May 22, 2018 at 4:19 pm
    aarons444 says:
    May 22, 2018 at 1:00 pm
    Its pretty clear that they need each other to maintain the same success.
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    I think Belichick would be able to win Super Bowls with another QB.

    5 of them? Probably not.

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    The first 3 SB were mainly due to the great defense and great special teams. The early 2000s defense were just as good as the Ravens defense of the time despite of having no name players. It was all Belichick defensive genius at work.

    The last 2 SB could have been won with Garoppolo at the helm. Yes Brady played great 4th quarter football against the Seahawks and the Falcons but those teams also self destructed. It’s also forgotten that in both those games Brady threw picks that would have been very costly had the defense not kept the Patriots in the game. The picks to Lane, Wagner against Seattle, the pick six against the Falcons all by Brady. If Garoppolo doesn’t turn the ball over and these teams self destruct, we still win those SBs. So 3 by the defense and 2 by Garoppolo would still make 5 total for Belichick.

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    Conveniently lost in the above non-sensical diatribe by the most agenda-driven “Patriot” fan on here, is, how do you even get to all these Super Bowls without the excellence, durability and consistency of Brady? The simple answer is, you don’t.

    If you wanted to magically insert Garoppolo into these pretend scenarios that he couldn’t have possibly led this team to, much less this many times, shouldn’t you at least acknowledge that?

  63. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    May 22, 2018 at 4:19 pm

    The first 3 SB were mainly due to the great defense and great special teams. The early 2000s defense were just as good as the Ravens defense of the time despite of having no name players. It was all Belichick defensive genius at work.

    The last 2 SB could have been won with Garoppolo at the helm. Yes Brady played great 4th quarter football against the Seahawks and the Falcons but those teams also self destructed. It’s also forgotten that in both those games Brady threw picks that would have been very costly had the defense not kept the Patriots in the game. The picks to Lane, Wagner against Seattle, the pick six against the Falcons all by Brady. If Garoppolo doesn’t turn the ball over and these teams self destruct, we still win those SBs. So 3 by the defense and 2 by Garoppolo would still make 5 total for Belichick.

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    but, I thought it was the magic QB system and a high school QB would have had just as much success? Too bad 2 (soon to be 3 Pro Bowl QBs) actually played better after leaving the Pats magic QB “system”. And you still havent picked an argument yet. Can a high school kid do it, or should they have kept the player who became the most expensive QB in the NFL? either one is bad, but you gotta pick one. They can’t exist at the same time.

    And claiming Jimmy G could have won those SBs because of Bradys INTs makes no sense. Jimmy G had a nice year last year, but his TD-INT rate was horrific compared to Bradys norm.

    And to call the Pats D of the early 2000s on par with Baltimore is not supported by the stats or the eye test. You struck out with no factual backup, again.

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