President, Vice President declare anthem victory

AP

The ink is barely dry on the NFL’s new anthem policy, and the man most responsible for forcing the league to compel standing for the anthem is declaring victory.

Vice President Mike Pence, who stormed out of a 49ers-Colts game due to kneeling by the visiting team that he knew or should have known would occur, tweeted #Winning along with a headline declaring the NFL’s revised rule a “stunning victory for President Trump.” President Donald Trump quickly retweeted the message through his official @POTUS account.

It’s no surprise, and it’s surely not the last time the NFL will hear from the President or the Vice President. Did anyone truly think that the NFL crying “Uncle” would end this? Trump and Pence would have continued to attack if the rule hadn’t changed, and they’ll now revel in the fact that they forced the NFL to bow to their will. Repeatedly.

For an administration that has a reputation for declaring victory when the circumstances don’t justify it, this one definitely justifies a little crowing and/or chest-thumping. The President has managed to get a group of billionaires who refused on multiple occasions to give him a seat at the table to kiss his ring and do his bidding. Their reward definitely won’t be silence.

Thus, President Trump wins. The NFL loses. And President Trump will reminder anyone and everyone about this victory.

So . . . congratulations, NFL?

114 responses to “President, Vice President declare anthem victory

  1. If winning looks like the rich bullying the rights of the people then yes, this is winning. Otherwise it’s actually a minor setback for a movement that has nothing to do with the flag and everything to do with suppression.

  2. donnie trump – NEVER SERVED IN ARMED FORCES

    mike pence – NEVER SERVED IN ARMED FORCES

  3. Dude’s are playing a kids game for millions of dollars. Cash your huge check, go home to your mansion and trophy wife and protest about how opressed you are.

  4. What you have to understand is that the protesting is severely hurting ratings and therefor ad revenue. The evidence:

    1. NBA ratings are up 8% this year, NFL ratings are down 10%, so you can’t blame cord cutting.
    2. Alejandro Villenueva had the 7th highest selling jersey last year.

    Protesting. Is. Bad. For. Business.

  5. There’s a 100% chance there will be legal recourse from the NFLPA. The NFL tried to take a shortcut here by circumventing the CBA and trying to take something from the players without giving something in return. This is far from over. Remember the last time POTUS tried to tell the players to stop? Even more started protesting. We’re about to see the same in September.

  6. The NBA has had this same exact rule to stand for the anthem for years and years. And nobody has ever had any backlash to them. Its a rule the boss sets in place. If you don’t like it find a different job.

  7. Today’s koan: Are thin-skinned patriots really patriots at all?

    The greatest nation in the history of the world was born out of protest. Extremely disappointed in the NFL’s inability to standup for the freedom of expression.

  8. I’m not sure people can get much more despicable than those in this administration – they make the people at 345 Park Avenue look like amateurs – however I’m sure they’re not done trying to out-do themselves.

  9. Comrade Trump,taking credit for this is like saying Benedict Arnold ended the Revolutionary War.

  10. It only took the NFL 2 years to see that the average fan wants to watch football and not millionaires virtue signal.

  11. NFL loses? They’d have lost far more ($) had they let the protest continue. Since they are
    a business, the ($) is the only thing that matters. Both the NFL and Trump won.

  12. The fact that he tweeted “#winning” really did make me laugh. Guy has got some humor I have to give him that.

    But then you say, cmon man you’re the president not a troll.

    In all seriousness, I see why he’s saying its a win for him but its really not. The anthem issue was a problem for owners even before Trump told the SOB’s to stand or get out. Owners were going to make a solution to benefit them regardless.

    The owners won. Not Trump.

    And with that said can we all stop hating each other and work together for the betterment of the country? (yes I know it is far fetched)

  13. billvick111 says:
    May 23, 2018 at 2:46 pm
    There’s a 100% chance there will be legal recourse from the NFLPA. The NFL tried to take a shortcut here by circumventing the CBA and trying to take something from the players without giving something in return. This is far from over. Remember the last time POTUS tried to tell the players to stop? Even more started protesting. We’re about to see the same in September.
    ______________
    And they had better be prepared for the fans to PROTEST like NEVER seen before. For the players this is a losing proposition. NO ONE TOOK AWAY THEIR RIGHT TO PROTEST. Just do it on their own time LIKE THE REST OF US. GO FIGURE!

  14. nenlain | May 23, 2018, 1:57 PM CDT
    Donald Trump is a draft dodger

    And you served in what branch of the military? Ahhh just what I thought. He who lives in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. By the way Marines 63-67

  15. If both parties were sincere the NFL would stop charging the Armed Forces fees and the Administration would ask everyone in a public setting to stand, even those of us slopping up beer and wings.

    Then again, thats a litte too V for Vendetta-ish. Besides, who would be left over to act sanctimonious or get berated about the situation.

  16. I’m sure that Trump, Pence, et al stand up for the national anthem when they are at home watching a game. NOT! Those of you who are soooo offended by someone not standing for this ritual are probably sitting down at home as well.

    Aren’t you all afraid that “they are going to take away your first amendment right”? Tools.

  17. Ticket sales are in the toilet for many teams, the Ravens tried lowering concession prices 40% and that hasn’t helped. This is just another attempt to win back some of the fans they lost.

  18. dwbid42 says:
    May 23, 2018 at 3:02 pm
    nenlain | May 23, 2018, 1:57 PM CDT
    Donald Trump is a draft dodger

    And you served in what branch of the military? Ahhh just what I thought. He who lives in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. By the way Marines 63-67
    ——————

    Air Force. 03-07.

    I repeat, Donald Trump is a draft dodger.

  19. It’s time Oxford change the definition of winning. The new definition should now read, “Winning; the act of having rich white men pressure other rich white men to suppress the first amendment rights of minorities fighting racism and inequality.”

  20. Thetruthis says:
    May 23, 2018 at 3:00 pm
    billvick111 says:
    May 23, 2018 at 2:46 pm
    There’s a 100% chance there will be legal recourse from the NFLPA. The NFL tried to take a shortcut here by circumventing the CBA and trying to take something from the players without giving something in return. This is far from over. Remember the last time POTUS tried to tell the players to stop? Even more started protesting. We’re about to see the same in September.
    ______________
    And they had better be prepared for the fans to PROTEST like NEVER seen before. For the players this is a losing proposition. NO ONE TOOK AWAY THEIR RIGHT TO PROTEST. Just do it on their own time LIKE THE REST OF US. GO FIGURE!
    —————————————————————————

    So, let’s get this right, the NFL can have the military and other non-football event included in the pre-game, which many can see as pushing a narrative but when the Player do similar acts, then that’s an issue?

  21. Is there anything that Trump can’t do?

    He fixed the economy/stock market
    He fixed the Korea
    He fixed “global warming” (NASA states avg temps are on decline last two years)
    He fixed the NFL

  22. Trump is still laughing the nfl and liberals gave him the flag, the anthem, and the military. Of course trump won. They dealt him a royal flush.

  23. It seems to me that the new rule only penalizes players and other employees for kneeling. Any protest, not currently deemed against the rules, that is done while standing appears to remain free of penalty.

  24. When you talk about Trump you talk about us. He speaks for us. That’s why he is there so don’t say he won. We won.
    ——
    By us I assume you mean people with an iq around room temp?

  25. doctorrustbelt says:
    May 23, 2018 at 2:44 pm
    donnie trump – NEVER SERVED IN ARMED FORCES

    mike pence – NEVER SERVED IN ARMED FORCES

    Obama NEVER SERVED IN ARMED FORCES…NEVER HAD A REAL JOB
    Clinton NEVER SERVED IN ARMED FORCES

    Whats your point?

  26. I wonder if the NFL owners realize you will never be able to satisfy this man. Hes got a vendetta against the league because they wouldnt let him buy the bills, and nothing they do will be good enough. Its just like hes done with anyone he dislikes.

  27. Dumb and Dumber never miss a beat to appease a 35% base of Americans. The art of division is a simple tool for people who really have no idea how to actually bring people together. It involves too much thought and empathy.

  28. daysend564 says:
    May 23, 2018 at 3:21 pm
    Is there anything that Trump can’t do?
    ————

    He can’t stop lying or whining for starters. 🙂

  29. john baxter says:
    May 23, 2018 at 3:19 pm

    So, let’s get this right, the NFL can have the military and other non-football event included in the pre-game, which many can see as pushing a narrative but when the Player do similar acts, then that’s an issue?
    ________________________________

    That’s paid advertising for a legitimate organization, bub. It’s called a sponsorship.

    So yeah. It’s an issue.

  30. I will NEVER stand, remove my hat or place my hand on my heart when the anthem plays, NEVER!

  31. Why do we play the anthem at sporting events, which are solely a leisure activity? It has nothing to do with America, the military, patriotism, etc. And if we do that, why DON’T we have to do it other OTHER paid leisure activities in front of a crowd. Why don’t we do it at the movies, or when we go to concerts? Can someone explain to me what place this has at all in the world of non-Olympic sports? I feel like I get down voted all over the place, yet no one ever has a cogent counterargument….

  32. cardinealsfan20 says:
    May 23, 2018 at 3:28 pm
    Anyone who opposes kneeling supports the murder of African-Americans and other minorities by state sanctioned authorities. It is as simple as that.
    _____________________________________________

    I support you committing yourself to a state-sanctioned institution where they have pills that can help with your condition.

  33. webster8723 says:
    May 23, 2018 at 2:52 pm
    Has anyone asked the players what they think?? This is about to get wayyyyyyy outta control… wait and see
    _____________________________________

    My company didn’t ask me what I though when they said we couldn’t talk abut politics in the workplace. And man, when I found out… ooooowhEEEE.. I don’t talk about politics.

    It’s really nasty.

  34. pkrlvr says:
    May 23, 2018 at 3:24 pm
    When you talk about Trump you talk about us. He speaks for us. That’s why he is there so don’t say he won. We won.
    ——
    By us I assume you mean people with an iq around room temp?
    _________________________________________________________-
    I can only assume he was talking about fans of the North East and Central regions of the US, with a slice of West Coast thrown in. So yeah, about the IQ of room temp for those folks.

  35. none of the players will be coming out of the locker room- so Trump will complain about that…all the dude does is whine

  36. Are they kidding? They spent all those man hours on this topic. Many of us on this forum offered that as a remedy back when the protests began….lol

  37. daysend564 says:

    May 23, 2018 at 3:21 pm

    Is there anything that Trump can’t do?

    He fixed the economy/stock market
    He fixed the Korea
    He fixed “global warming” (NASA states avg temps are on decline last two years)
    He fixed the NFL

    ===========================

    Korea is backing out of the meeting and is hardly “solved”, artic ice is still at record lows while sea levels have risen, tax breaks have created massive stock buybacks and fewer jobs than expected, also it is ever-inflating the deficit, and the NFL reacted to their low ratings, not the low rated President. And the new anthem agreement allows individual teams to fine their own players. The lawsuit filed after a team tries it will be filed the same afternoon. Cheers though, other than that, spot on!

  38. Trump has

    Laundered money.
    Hired people with suspicious ties to adversarial governments for his campaign
    Obstructed Justice.
    Committed Fraud & public corruption on a massive scale.
    Committed multiple sex crimes.
    Paid for at least one abortion.

    but yeah, he got the NFL to make players stand for the Anthem. Wow, that’s fantastic.

  39. Trump wins but so does the NFL. By removing the anthem protest controversy it makes the overwhelming maajority of fans happy. Which makes the NFL happy. The only losers are those who sought to politicize professional football.

  40. Maybe all the NFL Employee protesters who don’t like the rule can follow their Hollywood comrades and head to Canada. They do have a form of professional football up there and you can hang out with Johnny now! God bless Army Vet Alejandro Villenueva! Now let’s end hunger!

  41. thefox61 says:
    May 23, 2018 at 3:41 pm
    I will NEVER stand, remove my hat or place my hand on my heart when the anthem plays, NEVER!

    ———-
    I just don’t know how the rest of us will survive

  42. Dear Pres and Vice Pres;
    The players union has just voted and all will stand at attention, hand over heart and stare at the flag. However, they will be announcing that collectively they have decided that this means that in doing so it is an act of protest and in their minds it means it’s the same as kneeling. What you gonna do now?

  43. This Trump is an absolute buffoon. Just last week, a terrible tragedy occur at a Texas high school and he vowed to do something about it and now only celebrates victory because of the anthem ? How about celebrate when these horrible tragedies at schools stop happening ? Complete moron.

  44. For three games beginning on Aug. 14, Kaepernick sat during the anthem. Then, after consulting former Green Beret and former NFL player Nate Boyer about the best way to make his point without disrespecting the military, Kaepernick began taking a knee in games beginning on Sept. 1.

    This whole fight of being Patriotic and still respectful should have ended there…

  45. When you talk about Trump you talk about us. He speaks for us. That’s why he is there so don’t say he won. We won.
    ________

    So when he gets the boot, will you disappear as well.

  46. Declaring it a win that says a lot from #45 the same man who avoided being drafted. This is all far from being over and Goodell’s absolute power will be questioned. He and the other 32 cronies just made up a rule without consulting the Players Union. The union has to be involved with anything regarding fines and disciplinary action. See ya in court again.

    Don’t think that the unions won’t tell players to not kneel. They will incourge it if this isn’t resolved before the season starts. This will get ugly and the league deserves all the drama that comes with it.

  47. rkt4mayor says:

    May 23, 2018 at 3:56 pm

    Trump wins but so does the NFL. By removing the anthem protest controversy it makes the overwhelming maajority of fans happy. Which makes the NFL happy. The only losers are those who sought to politicize professional football.

    ================

    Its not solved at all. And the first owner who tries to fine a player will end up in court. This is just going to go on and on.

  48. For my fellow Redskins fans.. does this not smack of “winning off the field” to you? I was dying laughing when I read the headline and could think of nothing but Bruce Allen.

  49. Lots of Trump hate here…and he may be a buffoon. But let’s be honest, Liberal policies haven’t worked. All they do is make people dependent on Givernment. If one wants to see the results of Liberalsim to run its full course then just look at Detroit.

  50. The protesters can easily get their message across by looking down at the ground. Maybe we ought to concentrate on some of the country’s many real problems? Just a suggestion.

  51. I hope players who want to call attention to social injustice continue to do so, just in a different manner. I can understand why people feel the anthem kneeling was disrespectful toward the military. But I suspect for a good number of Trump worshipers, this was less about the military and more about putting black people in their place. I think those people are in for a rude awakening when they realize these players’ opinions aren’t going to go away. Find another way to protest what you see as wrong in our society. Call the racists’ bluff.

  52. President Trump has done some great things. He’s also done some not-so-great things.

    No matter what side of the political fence you are on, I’m sure there is at least 1 thing we can ALL agree on. The President HAS GOT to quit social media. Whether or not his points are valid, he almost always comes off as arrogant and juvenile.

  53. This

    ninetysixer says:

    May 23, 2018 at 3:13 pm

    Ticket sales are in the toilet for many teams, the Ravens tried lowering concession prices 40% and that hasn’t helped. This is just another attempt to win back some of the fans they lost.

    Stop watching Faux news. The Ravens slashed concessions prices only a week ago and it had absolutely nothing to do with picking attendance up, since they have been selling out games since their first season. Take your lies and false narratives elsewhere…

  54. Ordering these free american citizens not to exercise there rights only confirms and further justifys why they must be allowed to

  55. The any protest is ok crowd is annoying. No, protest for protest’s sake is not ok. It is protected expression, but it doesn’t mean people have no right to protest their protest. The players were disrespectful, they intended to be disrespectful, they intended to annoy the crowds. They succeeded.

  56. Trump wants desperately for this to continue. Its an easy way for his base to cheer for him. I wonder if he’s learned the actual words to the anthem yet.

  57. @nhpats says:

    thefox61 says:
    May 23, 2018 at 3:41 pm
    I will NEVER stand, remove my hat or place my hand on my heart when the anthem plays, NEVER!

    ———-
    I just don’t know how the rest of us will survive
    =================================================================
    The irony is I don’t know how those opposed survive. They (you) act as if it’s affecting everyday life.

  58. pauldeba says:
    May 23, 2018 at 5:21 pm

    The players were disrespectful…

    Who decides that? You? Trump? Society? None of the above. Respect cannot be forced or coerced; it must be earned. Forcing players to stand will not make them respect anything; all it does is changes their body position.

    I get to decide what I respect. Not you. Not Trump. Me. That’s true freedom, something your ilk screams about at the top of their lungs until someone expresses freedom you don’t agree with.

    I stopped taking the pledge in middle school. I don’t stand for the anthem. I am EVERY BIT the American that you are. You can disagree all you want as is your right. You don’t, though, get to decide what I have to respect.

  59. “stunning victory for President Trump.”

    Right up there with:

    The Wall..oh, wait
    Repealing Obama care…oh, wait
    Nafta…oh, wait
    Infrastruture…oh, wait

    But, yeah, congrats. This was a YUGE one.
    meeting with NK…oh, wait

  60. Anything that can be used as a distraction from all the turmoil he has caused is a win. Mike Pence why don’t you remind people by tweeting how many tax payer dollars you wasted at the Colts game?

  61. sexualspaghetti says:
    May 23, 2018 at 2:44 pm
    Dude’s are playing a kids game for millions of dollars. Cash your huge check, go home to your mansion and trophy wife and protest about how opressed you are.
    ==================================
    Do you really believe that? They’ protesting for themselves? Whoosh!

  62. I am a fan of the players, not the owners. It is time for me to boycott the NFL. This decision was bad for business

  63. Okay the NFL believe that settled the issue with anthem protest. But when will they fix their own disrespect towards the flag which does completely ignored, and that is the fact that the leave the oversized American flag laying on the ground. As a current service member that is more disrespectful than players kneeling.

  64. NFL players are privileged to earn salaries that place them in the top one percent of wage earners in our nation, for playing a game. Most Americans don’t think it is asking too much to either show a little respect for their country, or at least refrain from using their status as NFL players to bash their country. I don’t see any of these players leaving to earn that kind of money in any other country.

    If that attitude troubles the sports media talking heads, I would enourage them to get outside of their elitist media bubble and talk to some middle class NFL fans.

  65. I actually agree thats its better to shut down the Anthem protests. But I think they did it because they realized closing that whole can of worms (that could have in the future included protests disliked by the same people that support the current one.) was simply a smart thing to do. Better for the game. It was no victory for Trump.

  66. willie jones says:
    May 23, 2018 at 4:57 pm
    Ordering these free american citizens not to exercise there rights only confirms and further justifys why they must be allowed to

    ———–

    What given any one of us the “right” to protest on our job? Can you cite the section of the Constitution that authorizes this? Oh that’s right….you can’t. Moreover, companies pay hundreds of thousands of dollars per minute of advertising during NFL games. Why do these players think they can hijack this forum for free?

    Nobody is disputing Kaep’s or any players right to protest…..on their own time….in their own venue.

  67. This is how it will go down though. During the first week of football, the commentators for any given team will open Pandora’s box and explain the new policy and then tell everyone what player(s) stay in the locker room and Trump will tweet about so and so not loving America. The guy has absolutely no impulse control…

  68. This president will not learn to keep his mouth shut. Declaring victory about a nothing matter. Declaring he thinks people are thinking he should get a prize but of course won’t mention it after he mentions the prize. Peace prize for Trump = victory about NFL. Dude is still yammering about his campaign and what he did to become president another glorious victory. Man has nothing but a me me me attitude. Wish he and his Vice President would quietly go away. Leave Maliana in charge.

  69. Greatest President of all time. What a breath of fresh air to have a true american leader.

  70. I had a higher opinion of Pence. Didn’t think he was one to take credit and gloat.

  71. Ironic that this is implemented on the same day that the video comes out of Milwaukee Bucks player Sterling Brown getting assaulted by police officers. Pretty much exactly what the players were protesting.

  72. 1. I’m fine with the rule. Freedom of speech does not extend to the private sector. If the NFL couldn’t legally fine the players for kneeling it would violate the NFL’s first amendment rights.
    2. Trump and Hillary both need to be locked up.

  73. It was the fans who won. Attendance and ratings were way down because of the kneeling and owners know it. I’ve ended my boycott as long as they don’t reverse this policy. Most people can’t go to work and stage a protest in front of their customers. NFL players are no different.

  74. For Trump this has nothing to do with the anthem and everything to do with getting revenge on the NFL. When he ran the USFL in the 1980’s he sued the NFL and won a “one dollar” compensation. He also tried to buy the Bills and was rejected. One just needs to look at how Trump is going after Amazon when looking to get back at an organization. We all saw Trump butcher the star spangled banner in Atlanta last year. This isn’t about the anthem, just revenge.

  75. I never thought I’d see the day when the P and the VP declared victory over the First Amendment. They have shown their true colors and they obviously are not red, white and blue. This is a disgrace to our flag not an honor. Shameful, sad and shameful.

  76. mnrasslinggovjesse says:
    May 23, 2018 at 4:46 pm
    The protesters can easily get their message across by looking down at the ground. Maybe we ought to concentrate on some of the country’s many real problems? Just a suggestion.
    —————————
    And a good one.

  77. Love him or hate him, Trump is a genius. He changed the meaning of their protest and then got what he wanted. I have my own thoughts on the president, but there is no question that he knows how to win. Unlike the Cleveland Browns.

  78. cbjlaw says:
    May 23, 2018 at 8:04 pm
    I never thought I’d see the day when the P and the VP declared victory over the First Amendment. They have shown their true colors and they obviously are not red, white and blue. This is a disgrace to our flag not an honor. Shameful, sad and shameful
    —-

    Someone doesn’t understand with the first amendment means. If you text one from government consequences, not private employer consequences.

  79. Disgusting. Fake patriotism undermines genuine love and gratitude for our country, and for the freedom of speech and expression that makes it great. Hopefully we will vote out these awful people very soon.

  80. shadywarrior says:
    May 23, 2018 at 3:41 pm
    Why do we play the anthem at sporting events, which are solely a leisure activity? It has nothing to do with America, the military, patriotism, etc. And if we do that, why DON’T we have to do it other OTHER paid leisure activities in front of a crowd. Why don’t we do it at the movies, or when we go to concerts? Can someone explain to me what place this has at all in the world of non-Olympic sports? I feel like I get down voted all over the place, yet no one ever has a cogent counterargument….
    __________________________________________

    The honest answer is mostly tradition. It has been been played before sporting events since the 1800s. After WWII, it became more commonplace and was, in fact, played before movies and concerts.

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